Honestly, programming is fucking unfulfilling, life sucking and

>>60594969
Why do you think most programmers stop after they made something extreamely profitable?

>>60595005

Do they really? Who?

>>60594969
In the same boat with SRE type work. When I program the only rewarding part is the end result. I'm just saving as much as possible because I know I won't be able to hack it forever.

The worst part is GNU/Linux and programming were great hobbies before I had to deal with project managers, managers, and unrealistic deadlines just for the sake of working people to death.

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Stopping being a nigger helps.

>>60595029
Gil Bates, for example.

>>60594969

i'll go ahead and assume youre not a c++ programmer

>>60594969
> but I just don't see doing it for another 20 years
Don't do it then.

>>60595029
Fucking seriously?

>Gates
>Musk
>Notch
>Wozniak
>Ritchie
>Fag Terry
>Murdock
>Wright
>Strauss
>Been using HAvOk for years

The list goes on. Most high int. programmers lay down a ground work for high profit as the code monkies maintain it.

>>60595086

I'm a Java/Android programmer.

>>60594969
I've done nothing else since I started toying around with Perl when I was 8 and my father forced me to stop using Windows. Programming is the most creative job you can have. It's what artists and designers expect in a more abstract way

>>60595005
Because once someone has their landmark product everything they do after it is compared to that standard. They do the smart thing and let others take over so their reputation is intact.

>>60595145
That makes since too. I always imagined it had to do with royalty profits and human nature.

>>60595029
Gates, Jobs, Succerberg, the Google guys, the WhatsApp guy...

Every single doofus that happens to make it big with a piece of software, stops programing and becomes a CEO or sits on his money for the rest of his life.

The only people that keep programming are in the free software community (Stallman, Torvalds, the Debian maintainers, the *BSD guys...) And those are turboautists.

Programming is shallow, boring and difficult. Nobody but turboautists want to do it anymore. Real men need to build and destroy stuff, to accomplish it's own shelter and clothes. Programming gives you the accomplishment part, but not the tangible part; that dichotomy tears a man apart and ultimately makes him hate software and computers.

Seriously. Go meet any retired programmer or IT department guy. They HATE everything about programming and computers.

>>60594969
I'm pretty sure >75% people on this planet Earth hate their jobs and would rather be doing nothing instead. In comparison, it's a pretty damn good gig and you can always transition into another industry when you lose interest.

>>60594969
Welcome to the work force! Just remember to live one day at the time. It helps with the not contemplating suicide part.

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>>60595137

>>60595133
Notch still programs for fun. Watch his twitter

>>60595205
Real programmers don't retire. Just like Guass and Euler never stopped being mathematicians.

>>60595133
Yeah but Notch is not high int. and his success was just burst of luck.

>>60594969
Maybe you should do something you like, and not be a sheeple by following a trend the society pushes around. You have to realise that you are creating problems for your own life as well for others, by not putting your heart and soul in your work.

>>60594969
Consider suicide.

>>60595205

I can attest to this.

>>60594969
>programming is unfulfilling
Sure, basically playing god is not fulfilling
>life sucking
That's your your general attitude towards life.
>boring
Everything you do is boring with that shitty mindset. Grind through the tough parts to get to the nuggets.
>the only fun aspect of it is finally implementation to work
You labeling things as fun and not-fun is what causes all your confusion. Everything is at the same time fun and not fun. You just like to paint borders where there ain't any.
>I just don't see doing it for another 20 years
Then don't. Life is too short to be doing what you don't enjoy.

I'm white and I find programming to be extremely satisfying. I'm also not on the autism spectrum.

>>60595205
>Stallman
Stallman hasn't programmed in decades

>>60595741
Highly doubt you can program for a living and not be kinda autistic, a little weird or at least not feel some kind of social anxiety. You're not fooling me mate.

>>60595754
he has Carpal Tunnel Syndrome iirc

>>60596158

Probably from being such a fatty, you think someone as smart as him would make better decisions on what he eats.

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>>60595137
>I'm a Java/Android programmer.

>>60596447

What's wrong with that?

>>60596447
Still better than being a web dev.
Web development is broken.

>>60594969
Consider your alternatives
>manual labor
>retail
>janitorial work
>data entry
>help desk
>suicide

>>60597100
Another one here.
Google just does it best to change apis and break your previously working apps with every fucking OS release.
Their APIs suck balls after so many years.
The platform is fragmented as fuck.
Any non-trivial app gets in trouble sooner or later.

Android development will only be stable the day google switches to a new OS

>>60595205

Not that anon, but why does it matter what other people do? If you enjoy programming, then do it for as long as its enjoyable. I'm not going to pretend to hate something just because other people do.

I say that programming is rewarding, interesting, and difficult. There's nothing wrong with wanting to use programming to solve problems, and it's something that genially interests me.

>>60594969
>How can you guys do it? I know it can pay well, but I just don't see doing it for another 20 years.
why the fuck do you plan an staying a fucking codemonkey for 20 years ?
you only work as a codemonkey until you find a proper job as software architect

>>60595298
Same. Why people consider a game developer high int. He cloned infiminer, wrote it in java.

>>60594969
I'm a mexican codemonkey and it's come to a degree that my body is starting to reject programming.

I'm seriously delayed in all my current tasks with no motivation to keep going and will be fired this year if I dont keep up.

Thing is, I'm not skilled at anything else. Might climb the wall soon.

captcha: huehuetlan park

kek

>>60595205
Sadly after 100 years, no one would remember Stallman or Linus. But everyone would know who Bill Gates was.
So why would anyone code for free softwares? Is this technological cuckoldry?

>>60597766
which language do you work in?

>>60597781
Adobe Flex and Java.

MySql and Jasper reports in between.

>>60596032
Not autistic and feel no social anxiety. However I have sociopathic tendencies so I'm not exactly "normal".

>>60597781
salsa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SALSA_(programming_language))

>>60597800
how much do you earn?

>>60597801
autism confirmed

I program everyday. Its just fun. Implementing KMP algorithm and checking the run time for various inputs.Making a gui to control the algorithm.
I guess it depends on people. Only real autist can do programming whole life.
Like this weirdo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUwT9U1GzA


He is bus driver.

>>60595137
Spotted the issue.

>>60597838
coach driver*

>>60595205
This is true. Finishing my degree in Comp. Eng.. I'm crying myself to sleep every night. Time to do masters in either EE or applied physics.

>>60594969
It's only fun if you program something you like, an interesting problem maybe. Maintaining other peoples shit and writing some shitty code for a new calendar app using REST APIs is soul crushing.
Pairing it with something like engineering or physics makes it better, because you write software to make something real and hopefully cool work.

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>that moment when you've almost finished your compsci degree and you realize you don't like programming anymore

>>60595086
What's so fun about C++

>>60594969
Get some cash and another job.
I keep doing some programming work because I have some autism, yeah, a lot of my work paid just by thanks.

>>60595137
POO

>>60594969
I don't consider it to be any of that.
As a rule of thumb, if you hate your job that much, you probably should be doing something else.

>>60597776
They don't care who remembers them. They just want to be free.

>>60600455
IN

>>60594969

UX designer here. I wish I got paid as much as my programmer partners. I probably could get into it, but for the very reason you stated it just seems like agony to me.

>>60594969
You'd think differently if you've ever made something you're proud of.

>>60602207

I've made my own touchscreen keyboard for tablets from the ground up, it was one of the first ti utilize a split layout.

I've also worked with box2d physics for games, it is kinda fun.

>>60595005
>expecting people sitting on large sums of money to work

What? If I could never work again I wouldn't

work will never be fulfilling unless you're a doctor or something, and even then you'll have to give up any life outside of work

seek fulfillment elsewhere

>>60595205
>Programming is difficult
Kek, retard detected

>>60597100
Do you work for a company or independently?

There's a thousand new apps released everyday, and most of them are made by Pajeets who are doing twice as much work as you, for half the pay. Unless you're working for a big company, or you manage to create the next Angry Birds, your chances at success are low. At this point you'd almost have a better chance at becoming a successful music artist.

>>60595205
Yeah, 10 people out of 500000000000000

>>60594969
IMO the fun in "programming" comes from very basic algorithm implementation and design and Software Architecture design, everything in the middle is hell.

It's really only fun or "fulfilling" if you're doing more than just programming. If you're building something that you're passionate about and you have a lot of creative freedom.

Working for some company to build some shitware that you don't give a shit about will get old fast, but building your own thing that you really like can be fun and rewarding, even if you don't make any money off of it. Or maybe you will make money off of it, who knows.

Bottom line, you need to do what makes you happy. And if you're really passionate about building some piece of software or a video game, who knows? Maybe it will turn out great and it'll get famous and you'll get rich. It could happen

>>60597872
can you do that?

>>60597776
>So why would anyone code for free softwares?

I can imagine students trying to get attention while working on a degree.

>>60605562
>but building your own thing that you really like can be fun and rewarding, even if you don't make any money off of it. Or maybe you will make money off of it, who knows.

So many do that but never finish projects or it takes years and people lose interest or there is something better out by then.

>>60594969
Still far better than many other jobs where even a single mistake can be fatal, literally and figuratively. In software development, you can just release patches to correct your mistakes.

>>60594969
The "fun" in programming is what you do while you're enjoying the massive amount of money made from whatever hip cool startup you're a part of cashes out.

I deliver pizza for a living. Lets trade, nerd.

>>60599875
Maybe you're just being a bitch. You haven't even started.

>>60605987
Well, depends severely on for what you are developing. If a serious mistake in airplanes software causes an accident, you can't patch the issue away.

>>60605854
I'm around Central-Western Europe.
My degree is accepted as a (partial) prereq for an EE MSc. I need to complete some missing classes, but yes, I can apply for an EE MSc with it.

More precisely If the amount of credits I miss is small enough then I can complete the missing courses parallel to the MSc. It gets harder, but doable.

The largest uni here also accepts engineers for Applied Physics MSc programs, but mostly EE/ME/Chem. Eng. guys. Getting in there would be harder than getting into EE.

>>60597766
Most companies are not aware of things like Programming Burnout. Also, in my case I developed new symptoms related to my PTSD, but that's mostly my fault for my life style.

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>>60606032
Can we trade ? I'm also a cs major and really don't want to program,

I'm fucking doomed

>>60594969
>his job is to give instructions to a machine
>he hopes that this activity will somehow fulfill him
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>>60595133
You don't necessarily have to stop writing code. If anything, making it big just makes it easier for you to enjoy programming, because once you're set for life you don't have to meet arbitrary deadlines or stick to a specific toolset/technology/language.

>>60594969
>herpaderpa I don't like programming, it's terrible
Sucks for you then. Maybe next time you'll get a career in something that you actually care about.

>>60594969
>>60594969
The only people who like programming are autistic betas happy to feel in control of something for once because at least the computer listens to them

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>>60601953
MY

How are there so many pajeet programmers and engineers? 90% of videos and tutorials I find online for either subject is done by a broken English pajeet.

>>60607740
Why not just go for a computer science masters? It'd honestly fit your career better since most CE guys now do software engineering as well as hardware engineering.

>>60595290
That's because mathematics is far more interesting and fulfilling than programming.

>>60594969
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Good you vile fucking normalfags

Get the fuck out of the profession asap

Bandwagon-hopping pieces of garbage

normalfags ruin EVERYTHING

>>60609279
I majored in cs cause I liked it and wanted to know more. But I hate programming, if anything you're the normal fag

>>60594969
I work as an embedded programmer, and I find it quite fun. Wish we didn't have so many "agile" meetings and bullshit deadlines though.

>>60596158
Too much wanking

>>60609769
....
>and anon was never seen again
;-;

>>60594969
Video game programmers tend to enjoy their jobs.

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>>60595205
I agree, 3 years into BS comp sci and working as a developer, I absolutely hate working with computers/software now

Prior to all that I was ricing leenux and writing open source

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I believe your problems emerge from being full-time, 9-5 programmers, perhaps being employed in uninspiring, long-term projects.

I may be not the smartest and brightest "programmer", but doing QA (UAT/unit/integration) is still fun for me even after 2 years. I don't even code every day - good part of my day is mentoring, management and fucking around.

I also like QA because you basically get to tell everyone around what shit of a job they've done, further destroying their will to program.

>>60610721
Qa reporting. Code monkey writes shit code, so many bugs, such poor performance. Code monkey an heros.

>>60595259
There's a difference between programming as a hobby and being put through the repetitious hell that is corporate code

>>60594969
Well you could study something non meme like math or physic + learning C++ and python + algos + discrete math on your own and you would have today great interesting job with great salary.

With code monkey degree you are just manual labor of 22 century

>>60595205
>Seriously. Go meet any retired programmer or IT department guy. They HATE everything about programming and computers.

You could say the same thing for any profession. If you were only doing for the money to begin with, they'll never be happy.

>>60609108
There's literally a gorillion of them and they bandwagon to do coding because they see it as a way out of the miserable shithole of poverty that is their country.

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>enjoyed the bit of simple programming I did in highschool
>think about doing CS in college
>complete math brainlet so go into IT instead
>first job in IT is a part time helpdesk gig and its exactly what I'd call "unfulfilling, life sucking and boring"
>right now considering switching my degree to CS to try my hand at higher math and programming again
>mfw these posts

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>>60595205
/thread

>>60612286
This is 4chan nignog, don't make life choices based on what is said here

>>60613776
You just see a ton of resentment and crushed dreams in CS in general, not just 4chan
Its a bit weird

>>60594969
Join a startup that is funded and the product isn't completely shit or isn't set out to revolutionize how we drink coffee or how we take shit

>>60616021
Statistically, this is 4chan and think about it.

>>60595061
rude

>>60616021
Extremely low barrier of entry. If you have stress in your life you will have no juice.

>>60595133
Who is the Ritchie guy?

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>>60594969
>Honestly, programming is fucking unfulfilling, life sucking and boring. The only fun aspect of it is finally implementation to work and even that is short lived.

>>60594969
ITT: Normalfag brainlets who hopped on the "programmers make lots of money for doing NOTHING x---DDDDD" bandwagon and are now realizing that this is not the case for anything outside of MAYBE webshit.

Go into finance/sales if you're this much of a gigantic pussy bandwagoner.

>>60595259
And he did that after leaving Mojang because slaving away on Minecraft was getting boring for him

>>60594969
I work a basic bitch, just out of high school tech call center job for the Navy. I do stupid shit like tell a customer how to find the fucking start menu. Please quit bitching, 4 years in and I wanna kill my self because of how fucking pathetic my job is.

>>60597776
who cares who remembers you when your dead?

>>60609279

"normalfags" make something that everyone likes to use.

what have you done? nothing i'm sure. NEET fuck

>>60603087

I don't know. I'm a network systems operator in the Army. Also going to school at the same time for a Cybersecurity degree. However, I do feel pretty fulfilled with my job and genuinely enjoy going into work with my guys.