Chrome won Disclaimer: I worked for 7 years at Mozilla and

>>60587135
Turn it into a Chrome reskin.

We don't. Just let that piece of shit die.

anime mascot

>>60587135
Perhaps if Mozilla put Firefox anywhere in plain view on their homepage again, instead of trying to look like a humanitarian aid charity, people would realize that their main focus is having people use their only product and would become interested in that product. Maybe this whole, "you have to get to the third section of the page to figure out what we want you to download" thing was a mistake... but to figure that out, you'd have to talk to a marketing expert who didn't get their degree in cuckoldry warriorshipkin from the university of social justice.

>>60587135
Somehow kill the mobile platform or else sue Google for making chrome the default browser for android. `

>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
more gold ceilings and transracial programmers

Works fine on my computer.

>>60587220
hey, now that's not a bad idea
but let's also do that for iOS

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>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
Fire all the SJW/diversity clowns who run that shit company. Fire all of the Rust team... there's no need for a browser company to produce a prog language.

>>60587214
holy shit I haven't been on the Mozilla site since forever and am appalled.

>>60587214
Fuck off back to /pol/, moron.

>>60587224
no one said it doesn't. read the article

>>60587242
le everyone i don't like is /pol/ maymay

>>60587214
Way to contribute nothing to the conversation /pol/. Google is also SJW as fuck yet they are dominating.

Change the major version numbering scheme; increase it according to the number of lines of code that were changed in relation to the previous version.
So if we're in FF 52 right now, and 1337 lines of code have changed by the time the new version comes out, it'd be FF 1389

>>60587203
I'd love that

>>60587259
>google Firefox
>leads you the Firefox page

Next you're going to be complaining that Google has a search engine on their main page instead of a link to Chrome.

>>60587242
Implying anon is wrong.

>>60587290
See
>>60587275

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>who designed this? Chrome is over and finished!

>>60587232
>Mozilla
>browser company
top kek

>>60587232
This is sad. Imagine if all that effort was used to make a better browser. Like no way investors would fell for "le more progressive than google" meme

>>60587232
>hey guys, now that we've got a pretty successful browser what do we do next?
>sev da woooooorld!

>>60587290
Google is constantly pandering to SJWs and they are obviously kicking the shit out of firefox.

>>60587135
I'll stay with Firefox forks no matter what.

>>60587346
You mean until sites stop to load in 5-7 years

>>60587327
>Imagine if all that effort was used to make a better browser.
>he can't make a shitty website in less than a day

Ask me how I know that you are unemployed.

>>60587338
THIS

>>60587353
It will be time to give up on computers then.

>>60587135
Of course Chrome won. The question is how to transend beyond Chrome. All of the forks are just security/privacy improvements and only opera offers some additional functionality, but there are drawbacks

>>60587261
>Way to contribute nothing to the conversation /pol/. Google is also SJW as fuck yet they are dominating.

Being this much of a faggot.

Google is dominating because they are doing something right. Botnet, and security issues aside Google's browser is fast, easy to use, and easily accessible to anyone interested.

>>60587353
damn....

>>60587354
>one page
Hint - even those photos aren't bought stock ones but actually real pro shoots that cost money and tons of sjw planing.
Your understanding of corporate management is non-existent. This conversation is over.

>>60587338
they also are a hugely successful ad company which can afford investing in all those shenanigans without neglecting their core business.

>>60587214
>their only product
Hey, fuck you. I like Thunderbird and used Sunbird before it got integrated.

>>60587275
Google has many very successful products. Mozilla has one, and they're letting it die.

>>60587261
>contribute nothing
Maybe if you weren't so anal-triggered and went to mozilla.org, you'd see that it's a very valid criticism. The only reason Mozilla would ever make their site look like that is if they valued being seen as morally superior over having their only successful product continue to exist. If Google and Mozilla were taking a test to see if they were problem-level addicted to liberal praise, Google could answer "no" to the question, "Has your pandering to liberal sensibilities ever negatively impacted your company?" but Mozilla is dying because of it.

>>60587135
fuck mozilla, let it die.

They fell for the sjw progressive meme and crippled themselves.

>>60587320
If you go to that page on a browser that isn't chrome, and your default search isn't Google, you get an ad in the corner for Chrome and you get a message asking you to make Google your default search engine.

>>60587135
>tech illiterates are ruining our internet
/thread/
But it's true. But linux isn't mainatream and seems pretty much alive, I fear not that good browsers will die because of Chrome.
Is it only desktop-related or are mobile browser counted too in that statistic?

Honestly I don't understand the problem. As in why don't people use Firefox more? Because of shit marketing? I mean I run Beta version with e10s and 4 content processes and it's perfectly responsive, stable and fast at least on my PC.
Maybe lower end machines load pages faster with Chrome but than again Firefox uses less RAM.
Plus Chrome has atrocious UI comparing to Firefox. Makes no sense m8s

>>60587135
>Google
>didn't fall for the SJW meme, regularly supports redpilled celebrities on their platforms
>currently runs the internet

Mozilla
>embraced SJWism and is essentially communist/marxist
>dying

Hmm. Really making me think here.

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>>60587459
There is desktop only in article

>>60587135
It died once the sjws took over, just like rust.

>>60587295
see
>>60587394
and this
>>60587421
>Maybe if you weren't so anal-triggered and went to mozilla.org, you'd see that it's a very valid criticism.

>>60587394
So the SJW issue is irrelevant then? See how easy it is to talk like an adult?

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>>60587485
>trying this hard

>>60587526
Compare that to >>60587232
It's obvious who cares more about trannies, nigs, women and other degenerates.

>>60587135
I don't see what the big deal is, chrome just took internet explorer's place.

>>60587526
Google can spend money on libcuck PR AND develop Chrome while Mozilla can't. It was mentioned like 4 times already in this thread. How hard is it to understand.

>>60587449
This. Google knows how to market.

>>60587522
There's a difference between gambling and problem gambling, just like there's a difference between SJW-praise-seeking behavior and problem SJW-praise-seeking behavior. Guess which one Google does, and which one Mozilla does.

>>60587555
Evidence? it's cheap as fuck to throw a bone to SJWs. That's why every company does it.

>>60587203
This is how I choose what meme cryptocurrencies to invest in.

>>60587522
It isn't irrelevant, because Mozilla angered some of it's potential userbase.

Why are you hell-bent on protecting sjwextremisn, and political bandwagoning in software development?

It's not good, and it alienates potential users who aren't interested in companies that force-feeds it's own political agendas through it's software regardless of message.

>>60587608
>It isn't irrelevant, because Mozilla angered some of it's potential userbase.


Literally no one except the bizarro SJW-types over at /pol/ and their subreddit r/T_D care, and they are all 14 and irrelevant offline.

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>>60587580

Mozilla Foundation Revenue: $421.3 million USD (2015)

Google Revenue: 89.46 billion USD (2016)

>>60587619
>userbase drops like a rock over the years
>lol nobody cares

>>60587633
/pol/ doesn't obviously, since google is just as bad if not worse than mozilla with regards to that shit.

>>60587220
>sue Google for making chrome the default browser for android.
And for making Firefox deliberately fucking unusably slow when using it on Android. Fucking sabotage.

If Chrome had a working adblocker I wouldn't even care but I can't watch god damned porn on Chrome on Android because "LOL NO ADDONS FOR YOU GOYIM", I literally can not browse Gelbooru at all. I don't want to have to root my phone and install third party blockers just to watch porn.

Firefox lost because they held on to the Gecko codebase for far too long. Chrome was multi-process, sandboxed, had a far better default interface, and was much faster. All of that came at the expense of deep functionality.

Mozilla could have had all of that and the deep functionality.

>>60587619
Not from either to be honest. I'm just not blinded by "identity politics" enough to ignore valid concerns made in a post.

>>60587449
Really? I went to google.com in Firefox with uBlock Origin and uMatrix disabled but I got nothing about installing Google Chrome or using Google as my default search engine. Maybe the botnet has given up on converting me?

>chrome
>no tree style tabs
DROPPED

>>60587657
Better interface? Are you serious? You still can't open images in a different tab in Chrome. yes I'm talking about "view image" function for my hentai needs

>>60587646
Why are you such a brainlet? Google makes tens of billions of dollars and can afford to push SJW shit while making a decent product. Mozilla can't and wastes their time on virtue signaling. It's not a hard concept.

Firefox turned to shit when it embraced SJW ideology and started doing affirmative action hires to get "more wimminz in tech" rather than actually improve their browser. Which is why Firefox is stuck in 2007 while Chrome is beating it out by every metric.

>>60587646
Take all your /pol/ issues with said board.

>>60587555
>libcuck
what kind of library is that? is it any good? ;)

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>>60587674
Tabs on top, no titlebar, only a few buttons was a far better interface than what Firefox 3 had going by default.

>>60587654
get adaway from fdroid. system-wide adblocker for your phone

>>60587683
>Firefox turned to shit
Then why aren't you using Firefox 1?

>>60587683
Source?

>>60587654
Give DNS66 a try. It works without root.

>>60587135
Daily reminder that Lynx is the only /pol/ approved browser.

>>60587662
If you've ever acknowledged the "make your searches faster by switching to chrome" box, I don't think it shows up any more. I've only seen the "download chrome now" corner banner on new installs of Windows and Linux. After logging into gmail, I assume that they have enough information about me to know that I know what Chrome is.

I still use Firefox on my android cause it comes with in built ad blockers

Firefox having the ESR version of its browser is probably its most significant advantage right now.

>>60587731
Links is superior.
>taking advice from /pol/

>>60587214
Literally the first link I clicked on from google took me to a download pages for Firefox.

I Google's Mozilla too. I don't know what your talking about.

>>60587463
It makes perfect sense: Chrome "won" the same way Microsoft did, buying a cartel concession and being the default from which marginal users flee. So FireFox has to be worth migrating to.

>>60587414
So said shenanigans are okay if you're also a well run successful business? Good to know.

>>60587700
Doesn't that require root?

>>60587619
Nonsense, everyone knows who Eich is.

>>60587855
Have you seen FF's new redesign? It is fucking garbage.

>>60587876
Not him but I liked it. More modern with all necessary functions still in place

>>60587855
Will it be worth migrating to in a year or two?
I can't imagine coming to a friends house, showing him Firefox and getting "wow" response. I can get that now with Chrome though.

>>60587917
Show him how progressive Firefox is. If he is a leftist, he will go wow.

>>60587630
>$421,300,000 is not enough money to make a browser

So how much do they want, then?

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Connection speed is the deal breaker for me, then again, not like Firefox can fix that.

Who can give better connection priority, little old Firefox or the almighty Google that's not only partnered with Verizon (trans continental tubes) but owns their own search engine servers.

Face it, Firefox is ded

It's funny how thunderbird is better than firefox now and still gets zero attention compared to it.

>>60587855
Chrome won because:
1. It was faster.
2. It had more screen real estate
3. It was easier to use. (no pointless dual boxes)
4. It had God-tier tabs on top
5. It was more stable

Firefox eventually copied some of Chrome's design but by then it was too late. They've never caught up to it in speed and still don't have proper sandboxing. Just being equal to Chrome in some respects is no reason to use it. It doesn't get a fucking underdog bonus to make up for its shortfalls like freetards give Linux.

>>60587674
Lol yes you can

>Right clicks
>Opens image in new tab

You can do it on mobile too fgt, even reverse image search

>>60587798
... for organizations.

>>60587967
Not only is chrome not faster, but it uses a metric fuckton of memory. Almost as much as Java.

>>60587135
>move cache entirely to ram
>still feels sluggish
>go back, sounds still playing on videos from previous page
>fuck it i guess we botnet now.

>>60588029
It's not that hard to get.

>>60588056
anon..

>>60587948
300 million were spent on women studies

>>60587135
It's interesting how the article mentions that on mobile (with the implication of desktops in the near future) browsers are no longer the main product people use to access the web, but a feature, and how Firefox OS tried to tackle on that situation, but was too late.

I say interesting because it suggests that extensions are the way to go for Firefox, by providing a platform for developers to make more advanced applications for their services, yet Mozilla killed their apps feature, and it's pretty much killing extensions as well.

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>>60587976
sure :^)

>>60588175
Or it's that freetards can't code.

Mozilla has the huge competitive advantage of adblock on mobile, and they're not shouting it from the rooftops. No surprise that they're not doing well in adoption if they don't know or unwilling to capitalize on their killer feature.

>>60588047
It was faster at the time. That was their biggest selling point when it was new, and that combined with the sleeker, simpler UI (making FF look clunky by comparison) is what got a lot of people to switch. Although conversely the sheer power of FF addons (by way of XUL) kept many others from switching as well, at least for some time.

But now, yeah, Chrome is a memory hog. Not sure FF is much better though; would like to see a comparison in separate VMs, same tabs...

Reminder that since Firefox is Free and Open Source it is literally illegal to criticize it. It respects your freedoms, so if you don't like it, fork it.

>>60588244
>implying I'm not already using the pale meme browser

>>60588198
That's Firefox, not Chrome, and by the way you can middle click on View Image to open it in a new tab.

>>60587242
fuck off back to plebbit, moron

>>60587154
Didn't they already try that?

>>60588244
Reminder that since Chromium is Free and Open Source it is literally illegal to criticize it. It respects your freedoms, so if you don't like it, fork it.

>>60588047
ram is cheap and relatively at 6-8gb for most

>>60588244
Rocks respect muh freedoms, but I wont be using it to watch porn anytime soon.

>>60588273
> proprietary build by some Joe furfag
wew lad

>>60588277
exactly
chrome a shit

>>60588303
Check you privilege.

>>60588311
>proprietary
u wot
https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon

Furfags > SJWs

>>60588303
No matter how much ram I have, it's never enough

>>60587135
>DonwloadThemALL
>Tree Style Tabs

You will never win because you don't have these, and you are never getting them either.

>>60588319
I checked and it's still there.

>>60588357
Firefox is going to kill them when they drop XUL.

>>60588273
Is it any good?

>>60587676
its cool when a company with billions does it but not when a company with millions ? haha ?

>>60588367
So just use a fork, it's not like there aren't a gorillion of them.

Besides, they've been saying that shit for years, they won't do it because doing so would instantly kill their browser, literally no reason not to just use chrome at that point.

>>60588376
Is this supposed to be an argument? I never said it was cool. I said that google has the resources to do both (develop a product and do outreach bullshit). Mozilla doesn't. It's not hard to understand.

>>60588385
No reason not to use chrome now

>>60588360
Of course, cisgender white male, they are there.

>>60588373
Works fine for me.

>>60588385
Oh yes, mozilla is all in on deprecating XUL and switching to Web Extensions. It's happening and many addons devs have either rage quitted because of shit APIs (ex. the DownThemAll dev) and others have ported already. It will happen latter this year when 57 rolls in. And yes, they are that stupid.

>>60588411
Except the two I just listed.
Besides, chrome is an abomination, it may be fast but it runs like absolute trash.

>>60587135
By making our own fork and letting that piece of shit die.

>>60588325
> Even though Pale Moon is open source and the source is supplied under the Mozilla Public License, redistribution of the Pale Moon binaries (executable form) is limited by certain conditions under a proprietary license by Moonchild Productions, as permitted under 3.2b of the MPL v2.0. This has been required because of, among other things, the increasing number of rogue/altered copies and people taking advantage of the free availability of the browser to monetize upon, which is against Pale Moon's principles of free software.
Enjoy your botnet.

>>60587220
>else sue Google for making chrome the default browser for android
I'm honestly pretty tired of this. i'm all for suing companies for anti-competitive practices, such as blocking alternative software, but there's nothing wrong with including a default stack of software with an OS, which GNU has tirelessly argued is especially user programs, as long as they can be removed and replaced. What's next, suing Debian for bundling the GNU suite of software instead of busybox? how about we sue Google for forcing their runtime environment instead of picking one as part of the setup.

>>60587135
ANOTHER PROJECT BITES THE DUST, THANKS TO TRANNIES

>>60588385
> So just use a fork, it's not like there aren't a gorillion of them.
Pale Meme is proprietary, Watermeme is windows-only. And it's pretty much it.

>>60588488
Been using cyberfox for like 2 years, works fine.

>>60588439
Isn't sidewise similar to tree style tabs?

>>60588495
There is literally nothing similar to tree style tabs, they are all trash knockoffs at absolute best and pathetic excuses on average.

>>60588459
I actually didn't know that. Damn.

>>60588438
> And yes, they are that stupid.
They stupid by keeping that rotten garbage for so long, now they have a long way catching up to chrome.

>>60588478
It's free and open source. If you're better than trannies, show it by making a browser that beats Chrome.

>>60587967
Chrome won because Google whored the shit out of it. I remember seeing Chrome ads fucking everywhere. On billboards, at the bus stop, everywhere. Didn't they have tv ads as well? What did Mozilla have? Those furries recommending it on DeviantArt can only do so much. And normies generally always use the Google front page. What do you see there? A button telling you to install Chrome. Susan and David don't know what a "browser" is, but if google is telling them to install it then it must be good.

Don't forget that a shitload of unrelated installers include Chrome and will install it and make it the default browser. Regular people don't care and just press next then bam, it's installed. They ask little Timmy why the internet looks different and unless FF/other browser with specific and necessary addons are installed, will tell them it's nothing to worry about and leave it.

>>60588204
Chromium is free software, though

>>60588494
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/03/07/cyberfox-proclaims-death-of-web-browser/

>>60588527
I don't care how much you hate XUL. Replacing it with something less functional that will force many addon devs to quit is retarded.

>>60587135
>I tried a couple different ways to plot a trendline and an exponential fit seems to work best. This aligns pretty well with theories around the explosive diffusion of innovation, and the slow decline of legacy technologies.
okay that sounds pretty stupid but whatev

>For both IE and Firefox these low market share numbers further accelerate the decline because Web authors don’t test for browsers with a small market share.
he just contradicted himself two sentences later

if this was mozilla's cto then it's not hard to tell why they are in decline

>>60588545
Also cause they are not ran by trannies

>>60588563
haha fucking hell, figures

3 issues with Firefox:
1. Slow to render heavy pages (salesforce)
2. Poor memory management (tabs getting offloaded at poor timing, some memory ballooning)
3. Pretty unstable (same issue with chrome)

However, it doesn't lock my machine up like chrome does. I can actually have a functional work environment with tree style tabs, and I can customize it well enough with other add-ons and settings under the hood to be effective. My problems completely ignore the botnet aspect. I will never use chrome as long as it is what it currently is.

>>60588559
But it's not made by freetards.

>>60587864
>he doesn't have root access to a device he spent hundreds of dollars on

market share doesn't matter

So....waterfox or Palemoon? What's better?

>>60587203
>>60587203
>>60587203

>>60588709
Waterfox, it's not proprietary and it's more up-to-date with Firefox than Pale Moon.

>>60587135
>all devices
Of course chrome is going up, it comes on pretty much every android phone and your average user isn't going to bother installing anything else and when they do use a pc or phone without it they google shit and see the notification that they should download chrome so they just go with it

>>60587135
Chrome is worse now than IE6 was. Makes sense that it has the most market share.

>>60587428
This

They didn't start adding features no one asked for and removing others until Firefox got too popular with normies

As Mozilla fades into obscurity and their other projects fail (which they will), they won't be able to afford SJW salaries and return to their roots; a no BS web browser

>>60587394
>Google is dominating because they are doing something right.

Yes, they are aggressively putting up "switch to Chrome!!!" banners in all of their web services.

>>60588475
Well, EU won against Microsoft that removed Internet Explorer from Windows back in the day.

>>60588902
And how this is wrong? "Their" web sevices.

>>60589012
Antitrust is dead. You can thank Amazon for that.

>>60587135
I was a huge fanboy of Mozilla until they went full on sjw. That is probably one of the only things that will make me drop a company and wouldn't you know it. It's what every single fucking tech company is pushing.

>>60589029
>And how this is wrong? "Their" web sevices.

They should put up a browser selection screen, like what Microsoft was forced to do.

>tfw Mozilla is kill
Fuck them, really. Firefox is turning into a shitshow in a way that even Chrome look light years ahead of it.

>>60589053
I know right? I hate to say it but the entire ""free"" software community is just filled to the brim with these SJW types. I basically turned my back on the whole movement because of it. I will take non-marxist proprietary software over communist "freedom" any day.

>>60587135
>>60587488
On the bright side, at least they finally beat their arch nemesis, Internet Explorer.

>>60589012
Internet Explorer is potentially different than what I said because 1. you can't really remove it 2. last I heard MS exposes APIs to IE that are not available to other browsers and 3. fuck Microsoft because they're assholes.

All I'm saying is including software as part of an OS being a criminal offense is horseshit because there's no objective line to draw. When you start to lock others out, or make your software irremovable, there's problems, because that's anti-competitive. Including a copy of IE, or Chrome, or the Play Store, or whatever with an operating system should be fine. Restricting what software can be ran or what APIs can be used should be the issue.

>>60587463
Chrome is much faster in things that matter like running JS or HTML5.

>all this useless discussion
>when the only reason for Chrome to rise is that its included on all phones and computers by default and normies dont bother changing it, just as they dont bother seeing ads every 3 seconds

>>60588533
I got kicked/resigned from Mozilla foundation because they put a nigger inexperienced woman (male) at management and I couldn't bear it

>>60587203
this, and throw out all the google trained foxs in the hen house trying to destroy them from within

>>60589329
This. Youtube runs so much faster in Chrome.

>>60589342
The main reason is the advertising, the browser is advertised on one of the largest websites in the world. It's also bundleware so that's another vector where you can catch it. Mozilla doesn't allow Firefox to be bundled and its only advertised on their own site and through partnerships

>>60587203
sold

>>60589573
Internet Explorer was bundled with Windows and it didn't stop Firefox from gaining market share.
Face it, Firefox gained market share because it was better than IE, and Chrome gained market share because it was better than Firefox.

>>60587135
make it faster
literally slow as fuck compared to chrome botnet

i use yandex as i prefer my data being mined by the ruskies

Have you guys considered better QA so that every other release have bugs that cause the browser to crash. Also better plugin management, improved plugin search and visibility for the most useful plugins. Some other customizations would also be nice like the ability to increase the aggressiveness of the browser caching. So basically everything that made Firefox 2 better than all the other browsers a decade ago.

>>60587700
adway doesn't even work properly, lol hosts.

>>60589653
On windows at least IE was almost the entire market throughout the late 90s early 2000s. Microsoft expanded until there was basically nothing else and then they couldn't expand any further. Only after conquering everything else did alternatives begin to start earning back people and it took a long time for Firefox to become a sizable portion of the marketshare.

>>60587860
What the fuck do you think this conversation is about, faggot?

>>60589721
Actually I forgot IE was also bundled with Macs at that time as well.

>>60587222
gold ceilings?

>>60587242
>truth triggers me

>>60587417
tb is on community support

>>60587459
firefox is better on android stop shilling

>>60588241
>Not sure FF is much better though
it is. all webkit browsers abuse memory

>>60587135
How does firefox make money? Chrome is a honeypot so I get that...

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>>60587203
Holo? This friend? An awoo?

>>60589892
royalties from searches maybe?
and whoever sends them beg money/

>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
You don't. You had the initiative, and you dropped the ball. Firefox 4 needed to ship with a completely new rendering engine, a replacement for XUL, and multiprocess support. The email client should have been integrated into the core browser, along with a userscript engine and adblocker. Maybe have a nice, friendly setup dialogue to help users configure email, adblocking, understand addons/userscripts, etc?

Basically, you should have kept maintaining 3.x until you could ship a version 4 that actually met those requirements. Australis should never have seen the light of day, the scandal over one of your executives exercising his right to political expression should never have received a public response, and you should have kept innovating behind the scenes instead of confronting people with, "Hey, look at ME!" featurettes of questionable value. You also just really, REALLY needed to crack down on addon developers and aggressively delete bad/unmaintained shit.

>>60589945
But they use google or whatever search engine you tell it to. That way google gets the search/ad sheckels

>>60587222
Advertising. But it's far too late now that the average person only associates Chrome with the word "internet browser".

>>60587242
That wasn't /pol/.

Why doesn't /g/ just create it's own browser?

>>60589997
great idea. i'll make the logo.

>>60589997
/g/ can only make logos

>>60589988
google gibs %

>>60587135
>android firefox market is close to 0%
yeah right i call bullshit
furryfox is the best (major) browser for android

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>So how do we save Firefox?
Support Pale Moon's development.

>>60587135
>https://andreasgal.com/2017/05/25/chrome-won/
that blogpost is so much cancer i can't even
fuck you for sharing it and making me read it

>>60589980
>the scandal over one of your executives exercising his right to political expression should never have received a public response
His campaign contributions were public information, Mozilla had absolutely nothing to do with that "scandal"

>>60587203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTUlF7NA2o
source: microsoft

>>60587135
Invest more into social justice obviously

>>60587488
What is Safari's secret?

Only 5% of people use Mac's or something?

>>60587135

Open source it. Allow more "community interface" within it. Allow for the use of apps/widgets to be used through it. Basically, give people the ability to "customize" their web browser are much more of an extent than they are currently able. People love customizing their own shit nowadays. With the amount of time people spend surfing the net, they'd love a "customizable" web browser with apps/widgets they could either make themselves, or easily download. Chrome only does this to an extent. Let Firefox become the entrepreneur's/content creator's/programmers web browser. One they can develop/change/customize/ etc. themselves if they feel like it.

>>60590431
iPhones

>>60587428
>>60588899
But there's no decent alternative to the moz.

>>60588439
> it may be fast but it runs like absolute trash
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>60590268
Mozilla firing an executive over public outcry that has nothing to do with the company is also fucking retarded.

>>60590431
>All Devices
It's counting Safari on iPhones and iPads too, and is probably counting Chrome and Firefox's mobile ports

>>60588488
Waterfox works on loonix

>>60590103
No. You could have changed Mozilla and saved Firefox if you wanted to. Instead you chose to wallow in your autist ball pit.

>>60587203
This

>try out firefox on my laptop
>fans suddenly start spinning up
>RAM usage at 4gb with only 5 tabs open
garbage browser desu

>>60589873
Check Mozilla Paris HQ

>>60587242
He's right. Go to Chromes website. in the very center it tells you DOWNLOAD CHROME. Go to FF's website. Very center it tells you WE ARE DEFENDERS OF THE INTERNET.

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>safari more used than firefox

>>60587967
Why the fuck would I want tabs on top?

Hell, now I have them on the side because all websites align content to work on mobile so horizontal space is pointless.

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Is firefox trying to kill off complete themes? Why has it been so long since the last complete theme was released? They even buried it under all the bullshit "personas"

>>60590709
Why would we want to use a literal piece of shit that's clearly trying too hard to survive? They killed off their addon support, they killed off easy customization via australis, and they love faggots. They pissed off their entire target audience and now they're paying the price.

>>60588357
I have tree style tabs right now.

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>>60590804

>>60590715
I have a shit laptop and this is never the case.

>>60590788
>forgetting about mobile devices

This message sent from my iPhone

Try to actually name some major addons that won't be ported to WebExtension

>>60587135
ditch firefox and start working on servo engine and make a good browser and rename it to something other than firefox like microsoft renamed IE

>>60588306
kek. underated post.

>>60587135
Legit advice as someone who's interviewed with them many times and have had decent conversationd with engineers and managers about the future of the company.

>Cut design team in half, maybe even more. Make one really competent person design dictator. Design is not done by committee.
>Hire real developers instead of bootcamp people
>Don't lower standards to hire women/minorities. If you really need to fill that quota then interview more people until you find someone who meets the bar.
>Fix your fucking recruitment HR. It's one of the most unorganized recruitment pipelines in the industry.

I used Chrome for a while but eventually went back to Firefox because of better extensions.

Ultimately Firefox is going to be just that, something only power users use, and only until Chrome extensions get better (if they ever do).

>>60587214
Holy smokes, I haven't checked their homepage in a long time but mozilla.org used to be a technology site.

I'm old-school and prefer sites like debian.org but man, that current mozilla site is so bad it's a joke. Then again a whole lot of "modern" websites have the exact same "looks good on my phone" design with big "sections" with different backgrounds and a single sentence on them.

Who exactly are they targeting with that garbage page, anyway? My 70 year old mom?

>>60587135
I think Firefox is beyond saving. The only hope would be to somehow get it out of the hands of the Mozilla corporation.

They used to be about technology and making a slim and fast browser. These days their browser by default will open a welcome page with SJW garbage on it. That kind of idiotic crap seems to be their main focus.

>>60588303
The price of RAM is irrelevant as to the massive memory leaks Chrome has. Leave a site which JavaScript that displays and update something regularly, like cryptowat.ch, open for a while and it will use all your RAM. And your GPU RAM too. Doesn't matter if you have 8 or 16 or 64 GB, eventually it eats it all.

Don't tell me it's anywhere near acceptable that Chrome will go from 0.5GB RAM to 32GB RAM after leaving a few windows open for a day. The chrome://restart trick works and brings RAM usage back to normal but it really silly that doing this regularly is a requirement for using that browser.

Yeah, it's faster. But there's absolutely no excuse for this. There just isn't.

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>>60587214
It's right there on their home page though

>>60587860
ai said nothing about "okay" or "not okay", I said google can afford them without impacting their core business. because their core business is huge, in contrast to mozilla's.

>>60587135
look at pc sales over the past 10 years
match it up against the economy
compare the average computer against how resource intensive FireFox is/was.

maybe you will find your answer.

I used to use FireFox on an old Dell with a Q6600, 4gb of DDR2 ram, and Windows Vista (upgraded to 8,8.1, and 10 using chrome exclusively). I had to use Chrome because Firefox was slowing everything down. Computers were expensive and i didnt have money or need to get a new one until this year.

Firefox became bloated with Extensions.

Chrome feels like its going through the same process as it Hogs all the memory.

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>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
we have to kill firefox so it can be reborn as firebird again

>>60587135


Because it's fucking bloated.

If you really are developing Firefox, i dare you to accept this challenge: try to make a lightweight firefox version capable to run in windows 95 on a 486 dx4 100... maybe without flash support, bare minimum or no java support, but still capable to show a site like 4chan. Using just 20 mb of ram

>>60591979
>Because it's fucking bloated.

Remember when Firebird or what the called it back then branched off from Seamonkey because Seamonkey was becoming more bloated?

Mozilla really forgot their purpose for making Firefox in the first place.

>>60587876
what, they redesigned firefox again? which version has it?

>>60587135
Firefox is today's Navigator.

>>60592029
fun fact: Firefox WM_CLASS(STRING) is "Navigator", "Firefox"

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>mfw idgaf about the popularity contest; dragging tabs into a bookmarks folder, pocket integration, profile synced across computers is all that matters to me.

>>60587242
Fuck u nigger

>>60587726
>DNS66
This. Absolutely. If you don't have root, dns66 is your answer to ads. Better than adguard since it only has to filter DNS queries. Negligible effect on battery life.

>>60589191
Unfortunately I have to agree. There was a time a few years ago when I would argue on places like Slashdot all day long in favor of Linux and free software but when they decided to collectively wage war on the "Fucking White Male!" is when I had enough. Now I wouldn't piss on a GPL, BSD, MIT, Apache, MPL, etc. licensed project if its asshole was on fire.

>>60587135
I am the CEO of Mozilla and i hate Firefox too.

>>60587214
>go to supermarket
>every single can has pictures of black people on it
>you have to read the fine print to find out what's in it

>>60587967
Based on this Opera 12 should have 100%.

>>60587203
>>60589944
>furry

>>60587232
>no white ppl allowed sorry

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>>60587232
Fucking A, that's actually their home page. Good thing I switched to an other browser a year ago

>>60592660
> BSD
don't include BSD on that list. They're often projects made by companies who make stuff for extra support/recognition.

it's GPL/Apache that's SJW infested

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>>60592766
>backing a proprietary shill
Seriously...

>>60592745
Kemono Friends is not furry.

>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
stop literally cloning Chrome
fire all of SJWs in the company

>>60589191
>being so gay that you don't use all forms of software, 'cause muh butthurt

>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
Fire all SJW cuckolds.
Stop developing Rust.
Get Eich back.

>>60587135
>So how do we save Firefox?
Get rid of the sjws and stop abusing your positions to try and push retarded political ideas.

>>60590697
They didn't fire him he stepped down. The board actually said they would not fire him. Why would they make a public statement backing a person before firing them?

>>60591994
Firefox branched off of Mozilla. SeaMonkey also branched off of Mozilla. Firefox never branched off of SeaMonkey.

>>60590804
>Is firefox trying to kill off complete themes?
Yes. They're going to make a new theme system based on the webextensions APIs that will allow many of the same things but it will be considerably easier for theme developers to maintain their themes long term. The current theme system breaks like every other update so a lot of developers just abandoned it. Mozilla wants to bring themes back.

>>60587135
This is the guy that was responsible for pushing FirefoxOS and other failed IoT projects so hard and ignoring the desktop web browser. He's a hack.

>"As long as it trashes Mozilla it's okay."
- Neo-/g/

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>>60587674
>>60588198
>>60588314

Are you retarded or something?

Chromium 60.0.3105.0

>>60587135
1. Fire the stupid UX people
2. Fire anyone who thinks WebExtensions are a good idea
3. Bring back Eich
4. Kill WebExtensions
5. Kill Australis
6. Kill Firefox Mobile and any non-Gecko port
7. Kill e10s
8. Return to being a reasonble browser, which is now a niche.

-t Palemoon 26.5.0 users.

How's IceCat?

Where does seamonkey fit into all of this, anyway? Is it just stuck in a time capsule or something?

>>60596183
SeaMonkey is developed by volunteers, mostly people who like and use it. Mozilla provides devs who work on security problems but otherwise the browser is independently developed. Features are added when the devs feel like adding them or removed when maintaining them is too difficult.

>>60587135
Chrome it is truly is faster

>>60594874
wrong the new theme api will be less powerful on stable releases, but they'll add a section on addons manifest to use the same css code we're using right now on nightly.

So no real themes for firefox stable after 57.x

>>60596984
If they wanted to end all themes except personas they wouldn't be working on a new theme API

>>60587135
Fix that fucking datetime input and others html5 input.
You pushed me to pushed everyone in the company to use chrome instead.
I believe I am not the only one.
You guys were keep saying datetime don't exist in muh html5 input format and when it exist you keep circle jerking with unproductive answer.

>>60587232
very loyal firefox user. I'm aware of their bullshit sjw nonsense, but I didn't realize that it's gotten this bad. There's hardly any familiar branding going on... WHo is in charge of their marketing?

Only Vimperator and google botnet are stopping me from bailing ship, and Vimperator will be kill soon. FUCK

>>60597052
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888320
>reported 4 years ago
>4 years
My God, they still not done it.

>>60588488
>>60588459
>Pale Meme is proprietary

Source isn't.

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>>60597140
cvim/vimium for chromium is decent. try both.

things are even worse actually... Steve Klabnik who works for Mozilla and does a lot of Rust shilling is actually Antifa and a jewish communist who advocates violence against white people.

Seriously, fuck Mozilla, fuck Fireshit and fuck Rust.

>>60587135
Thanks for inventing JavaScript and hating gays.

>>60587232
but rust is actually a good mozilla project, and they owe us one after j*vascript

>>60597052
Google removed websql support from web workers overnight.
In my company a big project was using this for syncing. It was developed for an important customer.
You better not depend on anything Google.

>>60597355
There aren't any good Mozilla projects anymore.

>>60592709
>go to muslim supermarket
>every single can has pictures of black people on it
>it's because that's the kind of meat they use

>>60589053
>>60589191
>>60592660
Speaking for SJWs in software in general, good riddance.

>>60590004
>>60590010
well that's a start
at least we can feel proud of something

>>60587220
>sue Google for making chrome the default browser for android
didn't microsoft get sued for having IE as default browser in windows?

>save firefox

fuck firefox. give microsoft edge umatrix and https everywhere.

>>60597522
fucking good

there's already way too many ways for a webapp to store data on your machine

Create a fast, light, efficient browser and name it Phoenix.

>>60590730
FTR, that was one of the cheapest office spaces available in the city. Paris is kind of insane.

>>60588459
Do you know what that means?
You have all the four freedoms that free software gives to you, but if you want to change code and redistribute it, you need to use a different name.

>random user forks pale moon
>his fork is garbage
>he distributes it as pale moon/firefox (no rebrand)
>the original browsers get their image damaged by this user

This limitation tried to avoid the above.

>>60587135
You can't. Jump unto palemoon instead. It's actually good and actually cares about the users instead of profit and social justice.

>>60598322
>wanting to use the only browser that CTDs at random when switching tabs and that lags worse than running an entire OS in a javascript VM (seriously!)
spotted the shill.

>>60600694
>It's actually good and actually cares about the users instead of profit and social justice.
Does it at least ALSO care about social justice?
Because if not, count me out.

>>60597238

>Firefox fatnecks will still let themselves be pozzed by Mozilla due to their childish obsession with half broken plugins for 4chinz

embarrassing

>>60587685
Useless actually. It has other, strong libraries do the work for it while it sits there doing nothing but parsing it's own directories repeatedly. You should delete every instance of it

Firefox "winning" is the exact opposite of what Mozilla wants. They don't want Firefox to be the only solution for the internet they want there to always be competition and to keep standards from being improperly implemented. Mozilla collaborates with and contributes to other web browsers to keep competition going and to enforce standards so smaller browsers have an easier time implementing them.

>>60587135
Stop fucking breaking the damn thing. I too switched to Chrome, but not because Chrome became better; I switched because Firefox got worse. Extensions and functionality I relied on stopped working, my custom CSS broke, it got slower, etc.

>>60601550
What the fuck did I just read

>>60587135
stop the chrome shilling on /g/

>>60597187
Binaries are proprietary.
>>60600683
This is how Firefox licensed, but it's free and open source. Pale Moon is proprietary on the other had.

>>60587135
>Chrome won
and this is news to you?

everyone already knew this since like 2009, except the aspies in /g/ who fell for the botnet meme

>>60601847
is qupzilla completly open?

>>60601864
It was funny to watch them struggle. Just as it's funny to watch them now with their "muh essjaydoubleyou" argument as to why Firefox failed.

>>60600683
MLP license already does that, so there is no reason for it to be proprieatary just for it, except inserting trojan.

>>60600694
It's actually proprietary, and no one sane can trust some nobody furfag.

>>60601878
Yes. But it's chrome-like engine,

>>60601864
Chrome actually bested Firefox in market share in 2011. 2009 was pinnacle for Firefox, with most user-base.

so what would an ideal browser look like?
for me, native ublock and umatrix, native mpv integration, quality of life shit, etc.

>>60587135
>worked for 7 years at Mozilla and was Mozilla’s Chief
so you're one of the fucking idiots that kept piling up horribly bad decisions like a jenga tower?

>>60597718
Good. Fuck you nigger. Your software is trash.

>>60601989
next you'll say that MIT license is proprietary too. lmao.

>>60591903
>Firefox became bloated with extensions
didn't your english teacher warn you about passive voice? that should be
>I bloated Firefox with extensions
it's not any better on chrome, you just have the choice of doing that taken away

Mozilla doesn't care about making a better browser. Just wait until it dies and something else will eventually rise in its place.

>>60587177
t. Google

>>60587232
>moz://a
everytime

Hmm so let's see... what are the most important technologies in the future?

>AI
By far the most important tech in the future. Google absolutely dominates this right now

>VR/AR
Google's new Daydream announcement partnership with hTC / Lenovo can make it a leader in this field

>Browsers
Google dominates

>Smartphones
All are running Android these days

>Cloud computing
Google is set to dominate this with its TPU chips

>Quantum Computing
Again, Google is in the lead here, by far

>And many, many more
dominates email, search, internet Ads, ...

---

Invest in Alphabet stock... I think it's going to be the first trillion dollar company

>>60598123
>didn't microsoft get sued for having IE as default browser in windows?

It's a little more complicated than that. IE was integrated in to the shell. IE was and Explorer.exe were the same thing. It was impossible to disable.

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>>60587526
Reminder that they still hire based on merit or else they would miss out on most talent which happens to be white or Asian males.

The part that got me leaving Firefox was when they handwaived extension developer concerns by asserting that anyone who didn't like the webextensions direction was partisan and (politically) ideologically opposed to Mozilla.

Fuck that and fuck them.

>>60587135
mozilla died the first time because of the prepackaging/path to install (google sponsoring their own product, and everyone knowing that IE is not something to stick with) so i don't see how you can prevent the second time

>>60587526
don't respond to the internet warriors of the alt-right, they genuinely believe that supporting/liking particular celebrities is important in any way
lol

>>60588559
holy shit chrome shill, so is mozilla

do you even understand what you're supporting? A monolithic permanently logged in pervasive internet identity that google will use to manipulate and sell you as much as inhumanely possible

but yeah it can be faster sometimes so fuck ye
>inb4 the companies' revenue has nothing to do with one of their products
kys naive cuck

>>60605067
Why, though? MIT license is FOSS under any definition, unlike Pale Moon's one.

they all took features from Opera anyway

also,
>not using multiple browsers for different things

>So how do we save Firefox?

Double down on LGBQT+, Firefox should become the browser of every non binary human and non human living being.
Start a campaign asserting that whoever is not using Firefox is a alt right neo fascist oppressor.
Subsidize blacks for the usage of Firefox.

>>60587135
You don't
You download Palemoon or Waterfox instead