Fuck it. Who else recently made the plunge and de-installed Windows

>>60581144
>Format hard drive
Are Linux tards really this stupid?
Google Windows.old while your already googling the rest of the simple things that linux complicates.

>>60581589
It's fun how the Windows people think we are delusional about their operating system while they have no clue about ours.

>>60581144
this image is fucking terrible

REMINDER THAT THERE IS STILL NO GUI ENABLED DEVICE MANAGER FOR LINUX

>>60581621
There's no need to learn an inferior system.
You're a vocal minority of nobodies.

Also, you need to train your lousy projecting skills.

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>>60581589
inman is a macfag

>>60581144
I don't have Windows atm, I removed them and only have Arch and Ubuntu Mate. Linux is awesome for a lot of things especially if you're interested in computers or computer science, but it's still behind on some aspects.

I don't give a fuck about gaming but I've spent a lot of time trying to make a recording setup, but there's no drivers for my audio interface and I basically can't use one of the inputs.

In Windows or Mac you just install a program and it works, there's always drivers for hardware, and you can play games if you care about that. You can game in Linux through Wine but it's not the same.

After the summer when I'll be home again I'll build a really good computer, and when I do that I'll have both Windows and Arch in it. Since you don't have to pick one or the other, I suggest you do the same in case you need to do some actual audio/video/photo editing.

Have fun with Linux though, it's fucking awesome. Get a big fast usb drive, put multiboot on it, and try a bunch of distros like Elementary OS (lightweight and looks and feels fantastic), Fedora (has a great package manager to install and try new shit, you might like the look too), OpenSUSE (same as Fedora but in different ways), Ubuntu Mate (my favorite out of the box, lightweight, stable, aesthetic af) Linux Mint (I dislike the look but it's so easy to use), and, once you can use the command line effectively, Arch Linux (you can add only whatever you want, you build it from scratch, has the best repositories and package managers, best wiki, best community, and you'll learn a lot if you care about OSs).

>>60581144
drivers are not wuite there for Linux yet.
anyways you should try a full linux install, seemhow it goes for lioe 2 weeks or more and then you decide.
or use tw partitions: one for gayming and the otherone for literally everything else.

>>60582222
btw you can do audio/video/photo editing in Linux, and achieve the same results (apart from the drivers problem with recording that I have) but the free software in Linux is a tiny bit harder to use and for some things it has less features.

However, my girlfriend who is a graphic designer was struggling in Photoshop and Illustrator to do something that I did in GIMP in 1 minute. As I said, if it's not your actual job, you can make do, with great results for that matter, with free software in Linux.

>>60582320
How about Godot and Blender?

>>60582492
what about them?

>>60581144
How do you pay for it, tho?

>>60581678
>Device manager? What do you need GUI for?
>muh plaintext configs

>>60582551
Any good compared to pro software?

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>>60581678
there are graphical file managers for linux, what are you on about?

>>60581144
In same boat here.
Recently acquired four old lenovo towers, bought hard drives for two of them and I'm currently trying to install Gentoo on at least one using sysrescue cd.
That comic is correct though. For the sake of total freedom I've sacrificed convenience. For some reason now sysrescue won't even boot up. The monitor just had a blinking cursor (underscore).
Gonna keep W10 on my laptop tho, for the sake of normie shit (school, work, gaming). But any serious software development is gonna be on Gentoo, where the CIA can't back door and decide I'm a non compliant, then stuff a gig of CP on my hard drive.
Also, a disk partition recently popped up on my laptop that I never made and I can't get access to. Spooky.

>>60582733
Pretty sure they are talking about a graphical interface for /dev and probably /sys

>>60582753
exactly
they're folders, you can browse them with a file manager

>>60582654
desu I haven't tried either, but they seem on par with anything else. You probably won't have the same support you'd get with Unity or Vulkan though, but this is just a guess. Animation I have never messed with so I can't tell you about Blender.

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I bought a macbook because I wanted a stable unix environment for development, and I was fucking sick of having to fight with my computer for 2 hours to do a simple task and then having to put together scripts to run on startup to take care of them later.

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>>60582821
Thanks for the reply anon

>>60582654
Blender is actually an impressively robust video editor

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>>60582862
This

>>60581144
I switched to linux last week.
Completely wiped my disk.

But yesterday... I felt the urge to revert back to windows, because it feels somewhat like home to me.

So I made a complete image based backup of my linux, reinstalled windows and I'm happy with it.

If I wanna change to linux again, I'd just have to restore my backup and will be greeted by a completely configured linux installation.

>>60582962
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

>>60582962
Why not dual boot?

>>60583286
I could do that but then I'd have to decide on wich OS my files are residing.

I only got 2x500GB SDD in RAID 0
It's pretty much full

> de-installed

Yep, you are a Windows user

I use it on my laptop and a secondary computer, but I'm planning to make my primary PC exclusively Linux once I get time.

>>60583312
Bruh.
>Windows Recovery Partition
>Windows Partition
>Linux Root Partition
>Linux Main Partition
>Linux Swap Partition
>Shared Memes and Anime Porn Partition

>>60583312
What I used to do (as I said here >>60582222 I don't have windows any more) was have 2 partitions, Linux one about 80-100Gb and the rest for Windows. The thing is from Linux you can access everything there is in your Windows partition and use it, whereas from Windows you can't see Linux (never looked into it, but that's how the defaults are). You could make do with ~20GB Linux partition if you're that low on space, unless you want to have a bunch of specialized software and stuff. I have a bunch of shit like logic design software, android studio, a virtual machine running Minix, android studio and shit like that you probably don't need, so you see what you need and squeeze it in.
I have a 256G SSD and a 500G external HDD and I never run out of space, just have to manage what goes where efficiently.

>>60583399
Doesn't work since I encrypt my Windows and every partition in it with Bitlocker + TPM2.0

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Windows user here looking into fiddling with GNU/Linux
Im repairing an old laptop I used a few years ago and want to install it on there.
Im thinking of using Ubuntu/Lubuntu just to start with
The question im asking is how lightweight and different is Lubuntu compared to Ubuntu? My laptop isnt that old but I feel it would benefit from a lighter OS.
Im only using it for light browsing and media.

>>60583496
Way lighter, and completely different desktop environment. Try it out. The thing with Linux is even if you hate the desktop environment you can put on other ones like lxqt, mate or (my personal recommendation) xfce which is still light as fuck but with the Numix theme it looks fucking incredible and modern.

>>60583496
install gentoo

>>60583496
>>60583569
If the laptop has like 4G RAM you can put pretty much anything you want in it, although I always advise against normal Ubuntu. Try Ubuntu Mate, it's awesome.

>>60583569
Okay, sounds cool.
im considering dicking around with it since im planning on building my desktop is a few years, and I want a feel for the other side of the grass before settling down.
Im required to have Windows for my career (AutoCAD Civil3D and various programs), so I', thinking of dual-booting later on.
>>60583592
I'll keep that in mind. Its an Acer Aspire 4GB i3 so I guess it should be fine.

>>60581144
I did.

>decide old laptop is old
>install Kali on an SSD (yes, I'm retarded)
>rice it to shit in i3
>old laptop fast now, good for regular work, battery holds for 5 hours on a regular basis

I regret nothing. Most importantly, in my use case, it feels good to edit text files and have the computer do everything I need. Feels much more simpler and I can translate without any hassle.

Still use win10, but I don't do much apart from gaming on it.

>>60581144
When I get home from work I want to relax and watch Netflix or play some video games. Windows just werks, I don't want to go through hours of hoops just to do 1 consumer feature from windows on Linux.

>>60583643
Dual-booting won't work. You'll either stick to one or the other. I tried dual-booting three or four times in total and always I went back to the original OS. Now I have linux on one and windows on another machine and I'm happy.

see >>60583685

>>60583701
Me too, ma breda. However, when I work, I want something I can boot quickly and stop working in 4 seconds. Linux boots up and shuts down like crazy, it's great in commutes

>>60583705
Is it possible to mount the OS's on different drives, default to the Windows drive on boot, and be able to switch OS from the bios via drive boot?
I dont know if its a dumb question, im just now thinking about doing all this and havent done research into it yet, just /g/ memes

I am too nervous to install gentoo, I am sure ill just fuck up my pc.

>>60583643
Dual booting is definitely the way to go although you will use 1 OS 95% of the time, you don't have to limit yourself to one or the other. And as I said here >>60583426 you should be good with ~20GB of space for the Linux partition, if you mainly work on Windows.

Check out this guy's post although Kali is not the correct distro for this purpose >>60583685


I guarantee you'll like Linux if you're into computers. For the desktop you want to build, I suggest gather experience in Linux so you can make a fully custom Arch installation when the time comes.
If you don't need Windows on the laptop, make 2 partitions and try out, apart from Mate, Elementary OS. It has kind of a MacOS look to it, it's based on Ubuntu (which means you can use all the packages Ubuntu has) and it's pretty light.

I hate all the DEs so fucking much
there's not a single good panel

>>60581144
>(but this time while wearing your lucky socks)
What did they mean by this?

The Linux kernel is C not C++ faggit.

Was coding in C last century... faggit.

By the way. YOU'RE A FAGGIT!

faggit

Can someone tell me if gentoo is better than unbuntoo?
I ordered a pc just to install linux, i am tired of windows 10.
I am only interested in linux for programming, is there a way to customize the desktop and how the os looks?

>>60581144
>he doesnt dual-boot
imagine being this retarded

>>60583833
you're another faggit, get out of my /g/

>>60583740
Sounds more complex than grub...

GRUB:
>boot
>grub loader
>spam enter for default option, else arrow down and enter
>done

UEFI/BIOS:
>boot
>beg the lord you spam the F2 key fast enough to get into UEFI
>navigate into boot menu
>pick the right drive
>save settings
>you'll stick with one OS eventually

If you want to go that route, make a partition on the HDD, put GRUB on a USB disk and I suppose it'll be
>USB in: Grub
>usb out: Windows
I may be full of shit on that one.

Or build a persistent bootable USB drive and you'll be fine, plus it's portable

As >>60583764 said, stay the fuck away from Kali, I'm doing all I can to turn it back into a debian system and trying to keep all the tools. I'm still trying to find the differences in security between debian 8 and kali.

>snobbery starts
In your use case, consider the choice of WM. I use i3, let me tell you why I do:
>translatorfag
>always have 2 windows side by side for source/dest text
>i3 does it on its own
>split original text window in half and open a translation dictionary in it

It's incredible and makes me feel all fuzzy.

>>60583833
yea, of course you can customize it, have you never seen a desktop thread

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>>60583775
I agree that if you don't fuck with them and leave them at default, most of them look terrible. The only one I like is gnome 2, however if you mess with the settings and maybe a theme then you can make everything look great. Case and point I installed Arch on a shitty laptop I had and put KDE plasma which I fucking hate in it just to try it, and after fucking with it now I don't hate it any more.

>>60583833
>programming
>desktop
If you use your PC as a glorified notepad, you can go without a desktop and look full hacker.

>>60583878
I am new on /g/. I am just nervous about installing this never done anything like this before.

>>60583895
Different guy, how do?

>>60581818
yea dude who uses android or chromebooks :^)
3/10 I replied I guess

>>60583877
so it is possible to multi-drive boot, just kind of annoying after a while.
I guess ill keep Linux and Windows on separate machines and use my future desktop for Windows and my current laptop for Linux later on.

>>60583889
it's not even the looks, it's the features
I can't find a single panel that allows the window organizer to use icons and stack them, while giving useful info on the stacked windows
All there is are some ghetto workarounds by making an app dock

>>60582103
Oh my god that "art" on his walls. Is he a middle schooler?

>>60583915
Don't worry about it, the installation process for all
Ubuntu flavors, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Elementary, Mint and whatnot is actually easier than Windows. The only hard ones are Arch, Gentoo and the like but you don't need to mess with them. Linus Torvalds (the guy who made the Linux kernel) actually uses Fedora.
Try Ubuntu Mate, Elementary OS, Fedora, and OpenSUSE and pick the one you like most.

>>60583975
the "giving useful info on the stacked windows" part I don't exactly understand. I think (If I understand correctly) that KDE plasma has what you want, I'm 99% sure because I tried it and thought about it just today before saying "nah" (not a jab at your opinion, I just prefer them organized a certain way I'm used to), but I don't know about the window information you want.

>>60583950
Install anything without a DE. Debian mini install and shit, will boot faster (some crazy fucker got to a 5 second cold boot). Internet in command line, though.

>>60584053
>Try Ubuntu Mate, Elementary OS, Fedora, and OpenSUSE and pick the one you like most.
Thank you I am planning to start with unbuntu mate first.

>>60583959
Good choice. Get a dock for it with a switch and you can go full schizo style, switching linux to windows at will.
>>60583959

>>60584053
In short, I want the panel to mimick windows' taskbar, minus the Peek
so for stacked windows of browsers it'll name the stacked tab by the title of the actual window
XFCE panel doesn't do that, it just names the both windows the same

>>60584089
Like in my screenshot ( >>60583889) where it says Terminal - blabla?
By default I think it separates the windows and they don't stack - which in XFCE they do stack but as you said they have the same name, although if you right click on the icon on the dock you'll see the different names. I'm sorry I never thought of that, but I do realize why anyone would use it. I can't really help.

>>60584075
Don't be afraid to fuck with it as much as you want, they're all made to be customized.

>>60582492
>Godot
You mean Cube 2 Engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX7o-1OH-WM

>>60584059
Could I do Gentoo minimal install?
And then I'm assuming you just use shell commands and something akin to vi to edit files and stuff?
Not planning on using internet on my linux machines either.

>>60584258
Go for it, buddy. And if you only use the shell, why bother with a desktop? As for gentoo, never used it, dunno how you'll fare, but give it a shot!

Post pics afterwards!

>>60584258
Not that guy but if you're really going to be programming then you need the internet for stuff like documentation, stackoverflow etc. There are command line browsers although I've never tried one, but there's literally no reason not to use a light distro with a customized XFCE desktop environment which is gonna be fast and pretty as fuck.

It's going to be cool and working if you are familiar with vi but really if you don't have a very slow laptop or another reason why make it hard for yourself?
>>60584316
not shitting on you just making a point. If someone really wants to feel like a hacker then I guess yeah, you have a point. It actually helps some people be more productive in the end, so who am I to judge?

No I have a job and need to actually get things done, so I use Windows.

>>60581144
this image is wrong on so many levels.

I've made the switch to linux mostly. I still dual boot win 7 for gaymes.

if ableton ever works well in linux, ill never use windows again

>>60584382
I'll likely make one partition for each. One minimal install for when I really need to get hardcore, the other desktop for less hardcore and when I want pretty pictures.
>>60582749
Still having this issue tho. Happened after I created a partition on my hard disk, even tho I'm booting from live usb.

>>60584382
It's all about choice, I went into an extreme for my circumstances with i3 and all, but unfortunately I have to read pdfs and produce docx's.

It's the gluttonous choice, I'm 90% sure he'll stick with something normal, i3 at most, but once the training wheels come off, he can do whatever the heck he wants ;-)

But you are completely correct, unless the metal is junk, he can rest easy with a desktop for stackoverflow.

>>60584399
I, too, have a job and I'm absolutely happy with linux. Is it perhaps the workload you're using? Or are you just a faggot who's unwilling to learn a single iota more if it's not of immediate monetary use to him?

>>60584193
Thanks its a spare pc so if I do fuck it up, I will fix it.

>>60582320
audio engineer & arch user here, doing practically anything Audio related in linux is impossible at this time. and you can also forget completely about making music in linux.

>>60584412
It's just a joke bro.

>>60584452
Yeah one partition for each would be a good approach. You can try both extensively this way.

For the other thing, I have no clue about Gentoo, but as you said you chose the hard way. Do you have any particular reason to be so afraid of systemd?

>>60584485
Hey friend, don't feed the trolls. If you don't pay attention to them they go away.

>>60584494
Worst case you just reinstall from the live usb and use a backup to restore. I've fucked around with linux way too much from when I didn't know jack shit about linux and the worst thing I did was I accidentally formatted a partition with another distro in it.

>>60584563
Ah, ok. I wanted to call him a faggot, but then again, you never know retardation from trolling for sure.

Damn you, Poe's law!

>>60584563
I'm avoiding systemd because it's trying to monopolize development on linux.
Linux is about total freedom, but systemd goes against that philosophy.

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>>60581589
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60584563
May sound dumb, what is a good way to use python 2.7 in unbuntu?

>>60584616
Yeah yeah, carry Luigi, table 9 ordered the pasta.

>>60581144
If a computer leaves you quietly weeping maybe you should leave it to the adults.

>>60581818
MUh windows
>doesn't realize the majority of the web runs on linux.

>>60581144
Don't come to linux, we don't want you here. Stay in your crowded botnet bloatware piss pool.

>>60584616
Facebook lets me stay in touch with all my friends. It's lets me store an unlimited amount of photos and videos. They'll give me an app to do this on my phone where I can also view my private groups and events. There's a job board and an classified section that I can post to. I can even get restaurant reviews. This is all for free and I've never been asked to pay but now I'm a product. I'm a like victim, really, if you think about about. That's the narrative.

Look man. This is a value exchange. Sure if you don't understand the concept of a value exchange well shit man, your adolescence is over and it time to grow up. Is this something that really needs to be explained to people? Apps provide a commoditized service that the market will not pay for so in exchange they collect data to sell to advertisers. You know you're a “product” if you watch regaulr ol' TV, right? Those have targeted ads, too. We're not blowing the lid off of anything here. This is nothing new.

>>60584535
There's ardour and jack and stuff like that, the thing I had problems with was my audio interface which is discontinued now and obviously has no drivers for linux. I 100% agree that for audio recording/mixing/mastering you're better off with Windows or even better Mac. My case was mostly about video and photo editing which I've actually been able to do and didn't get stuck with any drivers.

>>60584597
I agree with that (though I can't bother installing Gentoo right now). I saw your post and the "serious development in Gentoo because CIA" made me assume it was for privacy reasons.
Can you point me to a good article about what you're saying about the monopolizing thing though? I'm interested in operating systems and had it on my list in the summer to try and learn more about the kernel and maybe even contribute some small stuff to some distro.

>>60584617
Ubuntu I'm pretty sure comes standard with both python 2.7 and 3.x, and there's the python IDE called IDLE for both of them. I don't use python that much, only for small scripts and stuff, but if you tell me what you want to be doing maybe I or some other anon can help.

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Using Linix on my Gaming Laptop

>>60584706
I am currently learning python before I start school. I've been interested in programming and my goal is to make a text game with python.

>>60584471
> read pdfs
What prevents you from reading pdf when using i3?
> produce docx
Same question?

Fellow i3 user here

>>60584706
It's my own conclusion and opinion.
Just look at systemd itself and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
For example, the fact that most distros are being forced to use it now, and its aim is to "unify" linux distros. That just sounds like some real 1984 shit to me and I don't want to be a part of it.

>>60584712
> alienware
go kill yourself, /v/idiot

>>60584746
I wasn't talking about using i3 and being unable to do those, I meant to say that in the terminal-only system without a DM or a WM I couldn't.

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>>60581642
goims want think that there is no alternative.
>>60581144
switched about 2 years ago, wont go back never.
PS. $(sed 's/ linux/GNU\/Linux/g)
>>60582320
>As I said, if it's not your actual job, you can make do, with great results for that matter, with free software in Linux.
this.
>>60583013
KEK. this. screenshot made.
>>60583431
>encrypt my Windows
pic rel

>>60584777
But Linux has no games, your shitposting is ineffective.

>>60584782
ah, seems like i misunderstood

>>60584847
More likely I didn't express myself well enough. I should practise that, being a translatorfag and all :^)

>>60584795
>that image supposedly being a "fail"
If you're going to cut a zip tie to get in, who's to say you wouldn't be the type of guy to use boltcutters and killed the lock?

>>60584893
I can cut a ziptie with stuff on my person. I'd need to bring my bolt cutters to actually destroy the lock.

In the pic, I wouldn't damage the lock because I'm not an utter retard. I'd bring it home, pick it open, repin it and use it smartly.

>>60584893
why bother with a lock ever, just ziptie it shut cuz anyone who wants to get it can cut it. carry a pocketknife instead of keys.

>>60584721
A few years back I did just the same. Go for it mate. If you have way too much time on your hands for the summer, make a roguelike.
A lot of people shit on python here but it's a great language to get you going, and then you can find your own way depending on what you want to do.

>>60585003
make a graphical game with Java
That's the biggest thing I ever did before getting too depressed to ever be ambitious again.

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>>60585018

>>60585018
I don't know why, but I wanna help you. Please listen to me. Get up, join a boxing or mma gym, and train as hard as you can, and then go in an amateur bout. There is nothing to combat depression better than an intense workout, there is no intense workout more fun than fighting, and there's no thing to ever motivate you to train hard better than knowing that, if you don't, you're gonna get your ass beat. I'm serious. Unless you're like super fat in which case don't go for the fight, just to lose weight.
Also I agree with the game in java thing, however he said he's just now learning programming so that's deep waters for him.

You're gonna make it tho.

>>60585140
lmao, gtfo of here. There's no room for normie talk like that in this place.

>>60585193
heh. Think about it though. It's actually completely up to you, I know because I've been there.

>>60583975
dash to panel

digits say he'll be back to windows in a matter of weeks

>>60582849
>macbook
>having to fight with my computer for 2 hours to do a simple task and then having to put together scripts to run on startup to take care of them later.
wut

>>60585489
Example?

I have to use a Mac at work and I never felt the urge to gouge my eyes out with a spoon because the machhine doesn't cooperate

>>60582881
Yeah and it takes like an hour or 2 to figure out for beginners. Really nice.

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>>60581144
>de-installed

>>60585302
ah that's right, that gnome extension does the job pretty well. Too bad I don't like gnome in general, wastes too much space in my opinion, and the settings manager is kind of lacking

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Made the switch a few weeks ago when i got this new CPU. I still keep windows on a separate partition for video games and when my gf wants to skype call me. I hate booting it and using it, the only things i miss are 3ds max, photoshop, and unreal engine 4

>>60584020
have you ever seen the Oatmeal? He's worse than a middle schooler

>>60591690
>>60584020
reminder that that guy got 3 + 8 million bucks on a kickstarter for 2 card games
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/bears-vs-babies-a-card-game
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens

the fuck is "de-install"? is that when you get a German to install something for you because you don't have their superior intellect?

>>60581589
>Are Linux tards really this stupid?
>>60581818
>Also, you need to train your lousy projecting skills.

After >>60582103 it's pretty funny to read. Windows users are a bunch of idiots anyway.

>>60581678
Mint have a GUI blob installer/uninstaller. Though it's literally a search and a modprobe to handle devices.

>BUILD A CPU MADE FROM ALL OF GOD'S ENERGY AND BECOME THE NEW GOD AND CHANGE HOW EVERYTHING WORKS SO THAT LINUX FINALLY WORKS CUZ IM A STUPID MIT NIGGER AND CANT POSSIBLY REMEMBER MY PASSWORD TO MAKE LINUX WORK HURRR WINDOWS LETS ME HAVE NO PASSWORD AND MUH GAYMES SO IT BETTOR DURR HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE B R A Z I L

Time to wipe my laptop and install Linux. What distribution should I use?

>>60582561
buy rhel :^)

>>60592037
Linux Mint is always a good starting point if you want something usable out of the box.

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>>60583788
pic related

>>60584580
>Poe's Law
>>>/r/eddit

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>>60581144
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60593755
I'm terribly sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Most computer users who run the entire Linux operating system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.

There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.