Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps? What possible legitimate

>>60549280 (((You)))

Encryption is a scapegoat. The actual problem is a dangerous violent ideology.

>>60549280
Don't want nobody snooping in my shit. Including the gov. Even if I don't have anything to hide, I have nothing to share.

>>60549280
>military-grade
Well, you're an industry-grade tool.

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>>60549280
privacy and freedom

>>60549280
I don't have to justify why I need something. You lack the right to tell me I can't have it.

>>60549280
When you ban encrypted messaging apps, only criminals will have them. I don't see how this helps.

Maybe I want to send some sensitive personal info or nudes to someone and not have it posted here by hackers later. Sure you can put a government only backdoor, but we all know how good the NSA and CIA are at keeping that sort of thing from being leaked.

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>>60549280
Why? Where there's a will there's a way. "Banning" apps like this won't do anything.

On a side note:
PGP is the only way to go.

>>60549567
>dat pic
lmao

>Telegram is literally THE choice of ISIS
>/g/ still hates it for some reason despite it having the merits for being the communications application of terrorists

Banning encryption will not work.
They'll just switch to natural keywords in casual discussion.
Not like your shitty TV shows where they use totally epic names like red rooster red rooster or some other faggotry. The eagle has not landed either.
I mean 2 random suicidey cunts talking about their favourite episode of Stargate and saying they loved that time when the Borg abducted Janeway, then Jack and Teal'c had to travel across the yellow brick road to see a wizard for a favour.
Or worse yet, talk about those weird fucking Turkish TV shows.

Spy agencies have people listening in to targets of interest, but trying to find 2 bombers talking gibberish like this in a haystack the size of countries and say with confidence that, "yeah, this dudes about to blow shit up", hell naw, sorry, not fucking happening.
Not even machine-learning hyper ultra mega zordon supercomputer qubit wotsits will fucking help you there.
Natural language that makes use of references NEVER discussed digitally can NEVER be beaten, no matter how many resources you have. It's just not happening.

Banning encryption DOES NOTHING to stop these fucks. All it does is make their jobs easier to find some drug dealers or other low-tier crime to boost their catch numbers.
Encryption by default is dropping their numbers.

>>60549280
The botnet is massively incompetent, couldn't trace all the idiots out there even if they weren't using encryption. What stops a fucking idiot from taking his AR15 going inside walmart and shooting every single person he sees? Not a god damn thing.

But guess what, that shit don't happen, and if it were to happen you or the botnet would never know about it until it actually happen. So given that set of facts how can you prevent shitskins from going into concerts with bombs strapped to them? You can't.

Most logical thing would be metal detectors everywhere and not allow people in who refuse but you can't do that either. Considering that most terrorists are second generation faggots who are so sexually repressed the only way they find to feel powerful is to literally blow themselves up or join isis... Maybe if you legalize prostitution and removed the stigma from the use of whores as cum dumpsters for money, maybe you wouldn't have pajeet shitskins blow themselves up.

>>60549280
Encryption is so NEET though

>>60549567
>>60549952
dat pic indeed, im gonna cry

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>>60549952
>>60551037
Have another one my happy friends

>>60549394
There will always be dangerous ideologies. Encryption can be legislated.

If encryption is illegal, then companies and most devices will not use it. That means that devices that ARE using it are automatically criminally suspect.

>>60549280
>Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps?
Why? So legitimate, honest citizens can get rammed up the ass by privacy invasion and criminals write their own encrypted tools with the technology which exists anyway?

>>60549394
Also a scapegoat.
That violent ideology is orchestrated by the elite jews conspiring against western civilization.

>>60549280

What legitimate reason do you have for banning military-grade encryption from civilian use?

>>60549280
Yes, you don't need encryption and other military technology like it. If you had nothing to hide you should have nothing to fear.

If encryption was banned, business would shit itself. But odds are you are fine with encryption for large corporations.

Rules for thee, not for me is typical of authoritarian trash.

>>60549394
Encryption enables dangerous ideologies, that's why secure backdoors with asymmetrical encryption is needed by law. You'll get your security and the FBI will be able to decrypt it at any time keeping americans safe.

>>60551604
The FBI is a bigger threat to America than terrorism is. By far.

>>60549280
> military-grade encryption

lel, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>60551674
OP is a retard, news at 11.

>>60551604

It would be irrational for private industry to use backdoor compromised encryption as it's only a matter of time until a third party compromises it.

Unless you are willing to grant larger companies special privilege of access to uncompromisable encryption. This would create another sharp division between elites and plebs.

Besides, some chucklefuck can always make their own encryption schemes as it's just fucking math unless all useful hardware it would be run on also has backdoors.

>military-grade encryption
No such thing. The civilian standard of encryption is AES for symmetric encryption and RSA for asymmetric encryption. It just so happens that the civilian standard is good enough for the military as well.

>What possible legitimate reason
1. I do not need to provide a legitimate reason for anything. You need to provide a reason for it to be illegitimate. Under US law (and the law of any country using a common law system), all things are legal unless a law explicitly makes them illegal.
2. Keeping criminals from snooping on my network traffic, which may contain sensitive financial information.

>>60549280
>Often used by Terrorists because of [...]

This is literal FUD, no serious security expert ever recommends telegram for anything. That shit doesn't protect you from anything. Everyone knows at this point that any terrorist without brain damage uses pen and paper to deliver important messages.

https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177

This is just like that stupid show where Apple "resisted" the FBI demand of cracking the iPhone. Everyone with half a brain knew that the FBI didn't need jackshit and that they were more than able to do it themselves.

>>60549280
it doesn't matter at all, they will find other ways to communicate. do you seriously think ISIS don't have atleast ONE guy capable of making their own encrypted messaging tool if all else fails? they just use this shit cause it's easily available.

>>60551117
If encryption is illegal business will stop happening online, period. Banks won't offer online services, online shops will close, online vendors like Ingram Micro will stop doing business over the internet, you'll probably see most social media sites shut down or crash and burn when people start breaking into their servers and stealing user credentials, in short, you'd kill the internet, and probably take a huge chunk of the global economy with it.

>>60551604
Backdoors are inherently insecure, and any attempt to secure them is folly.

>>60551117

Criminals will use deniable encryption schemes. Businesses will be screwed because they can't advertise the fact that they're using encryption if they are using it. Also, the massive volume of web traffic out there is impossible to track.

>>60551604

>secure backdoors
This is an oxymoron. The government can't even keep a hold on its own cyberweapons. What makes you think that it can hold onto a master encryption key, assuming a master key encryption scheme was even mathematically possible (and I have seen no papers suggesting this to be the case).

>>60549280
Porn, child porn, anti-infidel, and anti-white stuff is fine on FaceBook and YouTube, but "we" need to ban one thing that coincidentally could be used by legitimate protesters to coordinate lawful civil disobedience or post-government infrastructural rebuilding in the event of a catastrophe. Ban whatever you want GCHQ, nobody has any confidence in you. Tell us again how we just need to get used to this sort of thing.

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The real problem is allowing non-whites to live in White countries. Jews should not be allowed to live in White countries because they pretend to be "White" and then infiltrate the government to allow dangerous migrants.

Attacking encryption is just a way to make it illegal for White people to protect themselves from their Jewish-controlled governments.

>>60549280
Also, we need to slap media people and fake experts when they babble about "radicalization." There has never been any such thing as radicalization. Like the Russian electoral interference, no coherent model (let alone evidence) has ever been offered. Radicalization is an alibi for drastic cultural differences which the establishment wants to pretend do not exist. The radicalization meme justifies censorship (since people are supposedly radicalized through bad thoughts, hate speech, and unedited video). There is nothing radical or extreme about a Muslim who obeys the commandments of his god and his prophets and scholars. In fact, Islam says in several places that although all Muslims are required to make Jihad, they realize that this is too hard for most people, so there is no hypocrisy or break in people just giving monetary support, passive support, a safe house, or, if nothing else, not cooperating with the non-Muslim authorities.
This kind of thing happens all the time in certain places because it is normal there. It is not reported in the news because it is normal. Soon, the news will stop reporting it here.

>>60549280
It's time to ban terrorism

Two comments up there completely destroyed any arguments against cryptography when it comes to anything illegal. Yet no one even acknowledges and continues on circle jerking around.

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military-grade encryption: only available for military, law enforcement, intelligence services. The most secure type of encryption.

industrial-grade encryption: used on public/private infrastructure, banks, consumers only face this when they buy services or use gov service like file taxes online. Sound encryption but keys are held by governmental office which grants licences for encryption use.

consumer-grade encryption: used by private citizens for their transactions between each other. Not "real" encryption, just fuzzing, everything normal law abiding citizen needs.

>>60549394
The actual problem is that the west keeps on ruining the rest of the world. Fortunately Russia and China are going to put a stop to that.

just use a one time pad like a normal human being holy shit

>>60554230
>Yeah, we're gonna outlaw math.

Ban notebook paper, because it can be encrypted

>>60554230
> keys are held by governmental office which grants licences for encryption use

Perfect, let's just make the largest target for cyberattack that has ever existed.
You steal everyone's private key, you own the web.

>>60551117
>what is steganogtaphy
you can easily hide OTP encrypted messages in a clear video stream and noone will find them

>>60555351
Netflix does it all the time.

>>60549280
>ban encryption
>no more HTTPS
>online banking ceases to exist

>>60555351
I've been thinking about this a lot. Particularly if you had a predetermined set of pixels in a video or image (or a range and a start and stop point) you could use the RGB values of those pixels in said video or image to represent the decimal value of ASCII characters and broadcast whatever messages you want in benign videos / images and nobody will know except people who are looking for it. I wonder how often this goes on right now.

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>>60549280
the same reason i want curtains at my windows.
privacy is a human right.

>>60549280
all non whites should be banned from encryption, all mudslimes messages should be publically viewable by all

>>60555506
Kek

>>60550650
Hammond of Texas

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>>60555555

>>60551077
not the hero we deserve
but the one we need

>>60555555
What a perfect specimen of wasted life.

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>>60555555
>>60555566
>>60555666
Hot damn.

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>>60555555

>>60555555
Awful. Low energy.

>>60554371
they're going to take over ruining everything?

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>>60555555

>>>/pol/

You know they will ban Linux, right?

>>60555781
>>>/trash/

>>60555805
>doesn't realize Android is Linux too

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>Net neutrality is bad for you
>Torrents are malware friend we are doing a service by bringing those evil hackers down
>Surveillance is your good friend
>Those subtitles on your Kodi are malicious, better buy from authorized media content deliver channels
>Encryption is only used by state criminals and terrorists, don't use that friend
>Open source is a sin, just use our product everything is fine pinky promise
I'm noticing a pattern here, really makes me think

>>60555910
Different kernel. Has backdoors ootb.

>>60556004
>different kernel
Same kernel, different patches

>>60551117
you're an idiot

>may have been one of the sources of communication

TL: We're pretty much just writing unverified trash we picked up from "anonymous sources"

>>60549280
This is retarded. Terrorists use math? Let us ban math!

>>60555939
Memes aside, net neutrality IS bad for us. We need less government involvement in decided what ((((neutral)))) is. Let the free market do its job.

>>60549280
Banning probably isn't the best option. But some laws would be a good here most likely. A law that requires an encryption key be made available via court order. Encryption on devices could be licensed as well. I see this as a deterent to unlawful use but with some expectation of privacy and process.

Encryption is seen as a munition by the government anyway. Government solution isn't usually my favorite way of doing things but the actions of corporations with regard to privacy are way more invasive than I've seen the government participate in. It's late. Good night anons.

>>60549280
>Ban encryption
Whoops fuck now the criminals have your money due to an insecure login.

>>60551604
fuck off CIA nigger, not everyone is a muslim

>>60555427
or you could leave the video untouched and use packet timing as a covert channel

Clearly the problem is not that the middle east is a hornet's nest and we keep kicking it, but actually mathematics.

>ban
banning guns, knives, spoons, hot water, and pointy sticks seems to have worked GREAT at curbing terrorist attacks, so this should do the trick!

>>60549280
>(((military-grade)))

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>>60549280
encryption doesn't kill people
muslims do

>>60549280
>banning math
Yeah let's ban pi too, some sequence of digits down the line will be CP.

>>60551604
The fbi let's terrorist attacks happen. Fuck em.

>>60558675
>implying Muslims won't hate you even if you literally give them your daughters and wives
Adorable.

>>60549280
>What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade encryption on your instant messages?

If I'm interested in downgrading my security protocols for trivial and irrelevant communications, then I would use only military grade encryption.

>>60558675
and like with hornets, we should consider muslims as pests :)

>>60558798
They'll still hate you if you stop kicking them but they hate each other too.
You see, how arab history works is that they fight amongst themselves until there's foreign intervention, which is when the kurds, the shiites the sunnis the baathists and every other genocidal hate group in the region bands together to hate the outsiders.
You leave and they'll start eating themselves again.

>>60549567
That picture is beautiful

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>>60549280
>Is it time to ban

No.

"Terrorists" also use

coffee makers if they drink coffee
plates when they eat
trucks when they ram into crowds
televisions to see what the news say about them

think about this for a second: martial law with a permanent curfew so nobody can legally go outside without a special permission would also end terrorism.

do we want that? no.

As someone who's in Sweden I'll give you guys the following to think about: Sweden used to have a population of 9.5 million. We've taken in 500 000 rapefugees, many of them radical mudslimes, the last 5 years and the total population here now stands at about 10 million. Banning encryption won't do anything at all. Not bringing in hordes of radical sandniggers, on the other hand, would have a preventive effect.

Picture related is from the April 17th terror attack in Stockholm.

>>60549280

It's everything's fault but Islam. Ban everything and we might be able to stop terrorism.

>>60558872
So alas it is all Futile.

>>60549280
>no goy, muslims aren't your problem, the only tool keeping us from reading your thoughts is the real problem
Really made me think (((OP)))

>>60549280
>What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade encryption on your instant messages?
I don't want you reading them.

>>60551604
Because nothing could possibly go wrong if you add backdoors to everything.

t. FBI

>ban encryption
>terrorists start communicating over regular telephones again
>"we need to record all telecommunications to fight terrorists!"
It's funny because people immediately go "if this dumb singer bitch stops singing then it means terrorists have won!" or "if you stop going to concerts then terrorists have won!" but in the same breath they say "we need to ban encryption because terrorists are using it".

If you ask me, banning encryption or backdooring it means terrorists have won.

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>>60552256
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>60555555
get

>>60549280
so the military will start funding quantum computers to accelerate development.
win-win.

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>>60551117
>>60551604
Spot the shills

>>60559241
oy vey.

>>60556796
I have a better idea
Outlaw private property

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>>60559423
>no im not giving away metaphysical ideas, land and assetings im not utilizing, this is a free country!

>>60549280
>>60549280
What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade math in your higher education?

>>60558850
you parasite mimic piece of shit what you said about middle eastern people and their history is only true for european people and their history. you parasite cannibals always project what you are onto us. and what you pretend to be in your fantasies is what we are in reality. you are a race of mad men driven mad by great vanity and in this madness you gave birth to western civilization. it is only your parasite feeding of all humanity that have caused a lull in your wars among yourselves. once prevented from feeding upon humanity you will go back to feeding on each other like you have always done. you are nothing but slave parasite speceis. western civilization is a criminal organization. the european is a plague upon humanity. in all things what you claim to be, you are the opposite of and what you claim to do, you do the opposite of. you are a race of mad men.

>>60556796
This would be true if there was a competitive market for last-mile internet access, but there isn't.

How about this, net-neutrality regulations apply to service to a given address if there are four or fewer companies offering wireline broadband service to that location. If there are five or more, no such regulations apply.

>>60549280
Encrypted messaging apps are not a problem, criminals attacking people are. Why don't we just ban criminal acts altogether and be done with it already?

>create a simple encrypted messaging app
>sell it to highest bidder

what could go wrong?

>>60549280
The Paris attackers used generic SMS. Didn't helped to prevent from happening.

>>60549280
>Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps?
I plainly refuse to believe a single conscious human being believes it's time to ban encrypted messaging "apps". Only nigger cattle buy into propaganda and fear mongering enough to actually believe that encrypted communications are unsafe.

>>60549280
It's retarded to think the attempt to ban encryption (which isn't possible but still) will fix anything.

They'll just use pen and paper or sort their plans out in the local mosque. It's not that complicated to fathom.

>>60560219
But they can put up security cameras at every mosque then!

>>60560271
So then they'll meet at each others house... see the slippery slope that can't be overcome without a totalitarian society?

>>60549567
do you have a bigger res for this pic?

>>60560276
Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

>>60549280
>Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps?
Yes and ban air, because they breathe it and water because they drink it.
We'll have to track down other things.

>>60549280
>military-grade encryption
You can catch these military-grade hands.

/pol/ get out, take your blind nationalism out the door

>Is it time to ban communications of any and all kinds 'cause people will always find some way of using such communications to cause problems for each and every motherfucking last one of us since they're just fucking stupid?

Yes, I completely agree, it's time to ban all forms of communication that humans use, all languages, all books, all forms of writing, speaking, reading, everything, fuck it all, we don't need any of it.

>>60560410
> on /g/
> doesnt know how to do an image search

Get the fuck off this board.

>>60549280
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>>60549280
weird how the government didn't need to monitor everything everyone did when there were 0 muslims here

>>60549280
People in my surrounding are very control-conscious. I need to maintain my privacy using passwords.

>>60549280
When I send my employer my personal info for any reason, I send it AES256 encrypted and send the decryption password through a text message or to another account not tied to the company. Why? If those cunts get hacked, my shit would be fucked.

>>60551131
Makes parallel construction even easier.

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>>60561678
(you)

>>60549280
Maybe you don't live in a first world country that protect the secrecy of correspondence but it's a well established right in most of the world.
Terror attack shouldn't be a pretext to throw all your rights to the toilet.

>>60559956
Not bad. Probably has to be tweaked a bit, but I like the idea. The thing is that inet infrastructure is expensive as fuck, which makes competition difficult.

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>>60549280
>What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade encryption on your instant messages?
Governments with retarded laws

There is no way to stop these apps because the knowledge required to make one is readily available. It can even be done with sheets of paper or decks of cards.

>>60558850
they can't fight you if they're dead

>>60549535
Holy shit, this.

>I have nothing to share.

The complementary phrase that I've been looking for.

>>60549576
I bet you have a yellow flag that says "don't tread on me" yes?

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>>60563399

>>60551604
>secure backdoors
the government demonstrably can't secure critical hacking tools

http://archive.is/it7tm

That's one pathetic article.

"It has secret chats. Bad! Only terrrorists use it! Use Whastapp instead ;)"

>>60550650
you clearly underestimate NSA..

they have neural network that analyse word and listen conversation.
i.e. attack, bomb and so on..

the AI will trigger alarm if found something suspicious...

>>60564052
>i.e. attack, bomb and so on..
You missed his point entirely.

literally kys bro

>uhh why u need privacy????
>uhh why u need locks on doors???
>uhhhh why u need that rifle???
>uhhhh why am i retarded???????