>Finally graduate after 5 years >B.S. in Computer Science

>>60527486
Declare bankruptcy, because your debt is huge.

>>60527690
you do realize student debt doesn't go away if you declare bankruptcy...

>>60527703
which is bullshit, by the way

>>60527486
Do you even like programming? Why did you major in CS? I almost went down that road but I'm glad I realized my IQ was too low and I had zero interest in coding before I committed to it

>>60527745
Not really, sometimes I have moments of joy when my code works, but I never did it as a hobby or knew anything remotely about programming before college.

I mostly chose it to make my parents happy that I wasn't going into a dead end major and wasting all my money and would be able to get a high paying job straight outta college, but looks like that turned out to not be true.

If you are serious about this, learn python, java, html, css and javascript on your own. make projects in each of these and put them on github. i'm not sure mentioning your degree is even positive. just put your projects in your resumee. Even better if you are able to contribute significantly to a big open source project.

>>60527703
Yeah and you're even more fucked now, the new government is making it a whole lot harder to pay and much less forgiving if you default. If you're not already getting threatening calls from collection agencies then you will be.

Anyway go do some projects and build a portfolio of work you've done. You don't need to have done them in school. It's your only chance at this point. I'm doing the same thing but for EE since my grades were somewhat lackluster too. I'm designing circuits and laying out PCBs and when I go into an interview I'll bring completed projects and documentation to show that my grades are a poor reflection of my skills. For you just go code stuff and do the same thing.

Fortunately for me I knew my ship was sinking before I got into debt and managed to get out and transfer into a school I could afford out of pocket so I'm debt free. You are going to have a harder path ahead of you.

>>60527745
I enjoy coding as a job, but not as a hobby. Apparently that makes me the devil or something among SDEs

>>60527794
Out of all of those I only know Python. I wouldn't even know where to begin when it comes projects. I got no ideas and no skills that I can say "Hey, I wanna do THIS"

is it insane to anyone else that OP received a degree and yet knows no tools that are useful to prospective employers? what?

>>60527794
I know all these languages and have finished several project. Problem is, employers don't want to hire autists.

>>60527486
should have went with english.
maybe you should go into sales that is not mcdolan.

>>60527877
Can you really blame them?

Anyway if you're a legit autist just go to the labor board or the ACLU or something and say [insert company here] discriminated against you because of your autism. If that doesn't land you a job it will at least land you some money from the lawsuit. Do it now before the government introduces some kind of legislation to prevent this.

>>60527486
Become a sysadmin, fairly easy to learn online and having the CS degree will give you an edge

>>60527903
Not autistic, just shitty social skills. Something that growing up on the internet and school never teaches you

>>60527938
Then just go and tell everyone you have autism anyway. Nobody is going to fucking check, especially if your social skills are as shitty as you claim.

>>60527836
>muh pure cs education :^)

>>60527486
Holy shit fake your death and start over again at this point, or go the sysadmin route

>>60527486
>math major
>not 350k starting

>>60527486
>>Spam resumes every week to the same jobs over and over
lmao

>>60528202
I even call the places and make sure they get my resume. If i had more time off I'd go and physically deliver copies

Better call your loan servicer and change to income based repayment. If you make that little you only have to wait 20 years before they absolve the debt entirely.

>>60527486
>2.1 GPA
Fuck, just kill yourself already.

>>60528710
This

How do you spend 5 years on something that should ideally take 3 years without getting a relatively good GPA?

I would suggest grad school to seal the suicide deal but you need a 3.0 to get in.

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I graduate in a few months and am starting to worry that not having an internship will kill my chances.

>>60527486
>Graduated with 2.1 GPA

Better suck someone's dick or change your name to Shaniqua, because no one is going to hire you with that.

Just lie on your resume and write that it took you a normal time to graduate? I can't imagine they actually would take the time to check if it's true.

>>60528797
>employers never ask for references, certificates or university transcripts
Have you ever been to an interview?

Go work on an oil rig

>>60527486
>STEM will always get you a jo-

>>60527812
Start with something small, like a game, website or app.

I currently develop a 'snake' android app with django as backend, saving scores to the db with REST api.

I only know Java, some javascript and a bit of python. never developed for android or frontend stuff.

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>graduate
>play video games and fap daily for two years instead of getting a job
>finally apply to jobs
>"why is there a two year gap on your resume?"
>uuhmmm....

>>60528724
>calling someone else dumb without being able to answer simple questions
If you fail a course it tanks your GPA forever. OP failed many. It's not even a question of intelligence.

>>60528870
Why are gaps a bad thing?
Couldn't you just say that you went through a religious crisis for 2 years?

>>60527731

Why is it bullshit exactly?

No one forced OP to take 100k in student loans and judging by the fact he only squeaked by with a 2.1 GPA in 5 years of school tells me that he was lazy as fuck and basically brute forced getting his degree by throwing someone else's money at it.

Now the 'someone else' wants OP to pay back and we're suppose to feel sorry for him?

What kind of retarded logic is that?

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>>60528870
>"I masturbated and played games until now."
>"I am sorry for that. I am a changed woman(man)."

>>60528870
I tell employers I had cancer. Works pretty well I've never been denied for it.

>>60528899
>If you fail a course it tanks your GPA forever.
Are you saying you can't redo courses and improve your grades?

>>60528797
Haven't got a job yet but I've been to a few interviews and they never asked me for that, at least not for the first interview.

>>60528915
Are you stupid enough to think that every single school allows you retry courses? Even some state schools don't let you do this anymore.

>>60528918
>>60528809
meant for (you)

>>60528929
I've never heard of a university that didn't allow this.

>>60528931
They usually don't ask until you are one of the potential candidates (like, they've pretty much decided to go for you).

>>60528936
That's nice. Mine didn't allow them unless you begged the professor and department. Only way to remove bad grades was to submit appeals with medical documentation. Those appeals were only allowed once in your undergrad.

>>60528913
Just tell them you had to take care of a family member, it's a bit more believable and they will still feel empathy for you if they're not full on sociopaths.
If you got a gap they'll just trash your cv before calling you 99% of the time anyways in all honesty.

>>60528960
Well, I was allowed to retake a failed course / exam up to 2 times (or up to 3 in extremely special cases, with a notice from your doctor for example). Courses I had already passed, I could retake as many times I wanted in order to improve the grade within 2 years. Some of the more courses had a limit on number of students, and these were obviously excepted from these rules (so you could only take them once if you qualified for them in the first place).

I spent two semesters working full-time while improving my grades for a couple of classes so I could get into grad school.

>>60528961
The one time I tried to use that I was asked why I couldn't work while taking care of a family member and didn't really have a good response. Normalfags tend to be pretty abhorred by the thought of someone lying about cancer so it works out well.
What you said is true though. If having a gap matters to the employer you won't get an interview regardless of what your answer is.

>>60528870
That's fucking bullshit.
>If you don't spend every moment of your life being a slave, you're screwed

>>60528995
>I went to a uni that is actually invested in education rather than simply being a money printer
Must not be an American.

>>60529020
Well, they earned an extra year worth of tuition, so it was win-win for them I guess.

>>60528929
This. But sometimes they allowed you to retake it for once more and that's it.

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>have tumultuous home life
>go to college because of pressure from family and counsellors but don't do anything noteworthy, no clue what the fuck I'm doing
>drop out
>work shit jobs for a while, get super depressed
>grow up a bit
>decide it's time for change
>pull self out of depression by getting /fit/ and waking up at 5:30 AM every weekday
>learn to code
>take junior mobile dev job making $15/hour
>it sucks but I learn a lot and have fun, everyone there is either autistic or socially awkward and it's really easy to get along
>use this job as a springboard into a better job, pays $30/hour
>expect to make 70k this time next year

>>60529000
Well yeah if i'm honest i was thinking more about having a gap during college and having no internships for something like taking care of your family member to work, if you had a gap after graduating the cancer thing might be more reliable, and you can also get a buzzcut to make it more believable.
Anyone should at least do one internship even if college took you a shitload of time and you're in your mid 20s before graduating, doing an internship late before graduating is still better than going into the job market bare naked.

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>>60527836
>early 1900's:
>people who seek education do so either for leisure or to get one specific job
>people pursuing higher education are generally a cut above the rest of the population
>early 2000's:
>85-IQ niggers get degrees and the government pays for it
>they're trained to recite cultural marxist, anti-white dogma
>girls who go to uni go in normal and come out wearing dreadlocks and doing hairy fetish porn

>>60527731
Not really.

If declaring bankruptcy wiped student debt everybody would do it. 90% of people graduating college with student loan debt have no real money, so declaring bankruptcy wouldn't hurt them as far as losing anything. Then everyone would just go into debt for school, declare bankruptcy, and wipe that debt away with ne negatives, essentially pushing their school costs onto the banks and lendors.

Spending 100k to go through school in an investment that is supposed to pay off long term. If somebody fucks around and gets shit grades or a worthless degree that is entirely their fault. Their debt shouldn't get pushed off to others because of their poor decisions in college.

>>60528900
Obviously the interviewer will assume that you were unsuccessfully looking for a job in the meantime.

>>60529133
The debt does get pushed off to others, though. If you can't pay it off in 20 years they count it as a loss and stop bugging you.

>tfw over 6 year gap since I last worked
>late 20s
>going to graduate at the end of the year (compsci)
>have nothing lined up
>0 connections

bout ready to plan my suicide desu

>>60529241
>tfw never had a job in my life
>25
>did one year of community college before getting extremely depressed and suicidal
>don't talk to anyone and have no friends.
...is it honestly too late for me to fix this?

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>>60529241
>>60529284

exit bag desu

>>60527703
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY

>>60527812
>graduated in CS
>only know Python
what the fuck

>>60529284
Get on NEETbux. Doesn't sound like you want to work anyway.
>>60529292
Reminder that helium is almost universally diluted and won't kill you anymore.
Reminder that there are more asphyxiant gases than helium. Welding gases like nitrogen or argon are easier to get ahold of now.
Reminder that you will burst a lung without a pressure regulator.
Kill yourself painlessly ain't cheap.

>>60527929
>Become a sysadmin
>>60528183
>the sysadmin route
don't fall to sysadmin meme unless you can handle the pressure when something breaks and all fingers pointed at you

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>>60529346
It's the governments fault desu
They don't want their workdrones to kill themselves so they make it impossible for people to get a clean exit.

i applied to a software development apprentice position that will let me study for a bachelors at the same time
i'm waiting to hear back after an interview that went better than expected, and i might actually get taken due to putting autism on my application even though i've spent the last 6 years getting hardly anything done in college
the guy said we'd hear back "this week" last tuesday, but i still haven't gotten a reply hold me bros i'm nervous

>>60529396
Wait until tuesday, and then fire off an email asking if there's any progress.

Selecting a candidate is a lengthy process, I've sometimes had to wait up to three weeks before being called in for interview number three.

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>>60527486
>Graduated after five years in 2015
>B.S. in computer science with a minor in Jap
>Shit was super easy for first 3 years, had to put in a bit of effort for the last two
>Graduated with a good GPA (too lazy to figure out how to translate to the burger scale, probably ~3.5)
>Took 5 years because of co-op, so 2.5 years of work experience on graduation, and got hired full time at same place
>Good at programming
>Apply for new, remote only job because fuck commuting every day, get one after 2 months
>Currently travelling abroad and making 30 burger bucks an hour (had to take a pay for first remote job - no one will hire zero experience if not cheap)
>Have over 100k burgerbucks saved up, never went into debt
>Now looking for new job with more pay because fuck slaving away for such shit pay every day

Depends how you play your cards bro
Also don't live in burgerland

>>60529396
Don't count on it. Apprenticeships, even in fields with high demand and low quantity, have started to be "work for shit pay for years then get fired when it's over."

>>60527486
you fell for the uni meme. thank god I dropped out on time

>>60527486
You're a dumb fuck then and this is your own fault.

This is what is wrong with our generation. Actually put in some fucking hard work. You should have no free time. You should come home from shifts from Mcds, take a 20 minute nap, and then code or learn to code until you go to sleep. Yeah it fucking sucks but it'll only last a year or two and then you'll be out of this shit hole called your current life.

People think they can just fuck around in college and be fine and then they get out into the real world and realize oh shit, just passing my classes was a bad idea.
This is why I work my ass off in every class to get good grades. I come home from class and sit in front of my desk for about 6-8 hours just working Dynamics and Fluids problems. I went to see my professors when I had trouble too.

The fact that you not getting an internship at any point wasn't a huge red flag that you're fucking idiot is beyond me.
How do you even flunk three semesters in a row? They aren't hard classes? The only time you should have free time for liesure is when you're exceeding you're goals. I wanted above a B+ in every class. So I could start to slack off when I had As in my classes. But if I was at a B- I forced myself to sit down and work until I need to go to sleep.

I hate millennials and their shitty work ethic.

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>>60529578
>durrr mental illness isn't real
>hurrrr bootstraps

>>60529578
>Spend every second of your life pleasing your corporate masters, after all, you are here forever(tm)
Europe* has it figured out, work hard for a few hours, and then play hard for a few hours. Humans are not robots.

*Spain and Greece don't count

>>60527486

Goddamn, stop crying like a b*tch..


You're working at McDonalds, so what?
You can always look for a better (non-IT) job.

Also use some hours in your free time to learn the basics of web development. Make a website for yourself (wher you call yourslelf "web developer" and "graphic god" of course). Then make one site for your best friend and for your local sports club or whatever.

Build a portfolio from these wbesites and put it on your website.

Also make a github account and do small coding exercises there. Write a memory game in Java or a todo-list in python or something like that.

You can get a lot of experience in one year. Just start slowly, but keep it up. And if still ain't got no job offers in one year, just make your CS Master and do some internships next time.


God, you make me sick. You are young and have a B.S. and you are so full of self pity, only because you actually have to do something to get a job..


>Apply to every job I can find in a 50 mile radius regardless of experience, not a single response

What a stupid idea!

You should have a certain profile, for example if you want to get decent in web design, you need other skills as for the typical Java developer.

Also making some websites and small programms is never a bad idea, regardless of what you want to do later on.


Get your shit together..

>>60529624
Depression doesn't just come out of fucking no where. Look at the number of cases of "depression" among successful people vs unsuccessful people. The ratio of unsuccessful people who have depression is way higher. Is there some clinical depression that can't be helped? Absolutely. Do most people have clinical depression? No.
It's called being sad that your life is shitty.

So go out and do something about it. Have some fucking motivation to make your life and other's lives better. If you don't have that then you really should just off yourself and at the very least DON'T HAVE CHILDREN FOR GOODNESS SAKE.

>>60529666
No you don't need to spend every second pleasing corporate masters, that's stupid. But you should set life goals and then do whatever you need to do to achieve them.

I agree with the work hard play hard though. I play for a club volleyball team for fun and then help coach and play with a Division 1 Women's volleyball team that trains like there's no tomorrow.

I just hate people that sit around and watch Netflix then bitch about how they aren't getting anywhere in life. My gf did this for the longest time until I forced her to get a job to have some meaning in life and now I can tell she is a happier person.

>>60527965
Even applied to some shitty, Tech support job last week, was told they'd let me know back by the end of the week. Never got an email or phone call

You already have all the credentials and knowledge from your degree, you should definitely be able to work with what you have. Just do as others have said and learn/specialize in new languages in your spare time.

In terms of your current job, view it as a means to an end (to provide for yourself as you work on getting a better job), but never as the end itself. Makes it easier to do the work and not get demotivated by it.

>>60528908
thats actually kind of true

>>60529624

Green text all you want, the immutable reality is that most people aren't depressed for any other reason than their own self-inflicted ones.

Within that subset, the vast majority of those people are just lazy and looking for someone to come and make their lives better for them.

Argue, green text, and meme all you want. You know this is completely true.

>>60529680
I agree with you that "muh depression" is usually bullshit. That being said, if you've never dealt with the feeling or disease you don't really understand what it's like. Not trying to be edgy or emo either, just being objective. It's not possible to understand the unbearable weight of dread and complete lack of willpower, energy, and motivation unless you've experienced it first hand. Depression, or really all mental illness, isn't something you just decide to go fix one day. The only real way to manage it or mitigate it enough to cure it is to have someone take care of you for months until you're stable. Unsurprisingly that sort of thing doesn't happen to adults very often.

>>60527703
Just declare chapter 11. It's the reset button. Best to do it while you're young, too.

>>60528870
4 years here anon
>had a 6 month job in between, boss says i could find a good job if i tried
>go to interview mind blanks out
>other times employers give up on you after talking to you on phone
>give up on applying

>>60529346
>burst a lung without a pressure regulator
won't that kill me

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>>60529680

This.

Depression sometimes comes from a certain kind of arrogance:
People think they should be great, but then reality hit them and they collapse.

The cure is to accept that you suck.
You know what? Everybody sucked at the beginning. But nobody is bound to stay miserable, we can all just forge our own path.

Just imagine yourself in 10 year from now:
"Whoa, I had no practical experience, so I had to work a few month at McDonalds. And then I had to do an intership for bad payment. God, I was lousy at that time. But then I got a great job and constantly improved and after 8 years I became senior developer and here I am.."

Does this sound like a story about a failed existance?


OP, stop being pathetic and accept that some things take time..

>>60527486
Should have done a course with work placement.

>Graduate in 4 years
>B.S in CompSci (Not Murrican)
>Year 3 get internship with company
>Company forwards me to a research institute who asks me to do a FYP for them.
>Meme my way to 4.0 GPA thanks to FYP despite averaging 50-60% in exams.
>Company will pay full ride MSc in CompSci at one of my countries top Unis.
>Apply for zero jobs. Recruiters attempt to poach me from company.
>Zero debt.
>All from a job that was handed to be by my college.

I didn't go to an IT btw, Uni's are a meme.

I started in Elec Eng. in Uni and dropped out because depression (spent 60 hours in bed one day, didn't move an inch.) But I got my shit together because that's just what you gotta do.

One of the hardest things for some people to do in life is to admit to themselves that it is entirely their fault and their fault alone for where they are, whether rich or poor. (Coincidentally, I'm from a poor family). You need to admit it to yourself and start moving.

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>>60529779
It would be extremely painful.

>>60527486
Just put stuff to your linked in profile. If you're a shit coder, list manager experience and only apply to such positions

>>60529237
>Yeah! There should totally be no punishment!

>>60529804
I went to an IT, not a University*
>60 hours in one day
I should have proofread this shitpost.

>>60529817

4 U
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>>60528233
As long as you pay 10% of your income doing those twenty years. Possibly being changed to 15 years and 12.5% soon by Trump

Oh well, im currently 6th year of faculty which should be done in 4.
Last 2 years i fucking almost gave up because system is shit, and shitty people are getting away with everything. I saw like best in our class doing nothing while worst work as programmers, even doe that can do like proper css. Dont know wtf is going on.
And i have like 2 exams left to get degree, fuck everything boys

>>60529804
>Not Murrican
Being poor AND mentally ill as an American is much harder than as a European. Medicaid does not cover any psychiatrist worth a shit nor any therapists. You end up seeing people who are barely qualified to prescribe medicine in an addict rehab facility because that's the only place in 50 miles that accepts your insurance.

>>60529237
After you've payed 10% of your income for two decades though.

OP if it took you 5 years and $100k to graduate with a 2.1, you did all this to yourself

How is it that you spent 5 years in college and managed to not get any internships or experience outside of school projects? what the fuck were you doing?

How is it that you studied for 5 years and you still don't know any of the tools you need to get better?

Also graveyard shift at mcdonalds is a high school or drug addict job. There are much better entry level jobs out there. look for warehouse jobs or something. probably pays nearly twice as much.

>>60529909
Even if you do default they can't take anything from you if you're poor enough.

>>60529780
This is the problem. My gf constantly mentions that I'm "good at everything". Yeah I'm blessed with being pretty smart but I worked hard to learn stuff and I have a lot of interests. I sucked at everything when I started it just like everyone else. Everyone starts off being shitty at something. Even Olympic swimmers has a swim teacher that made sure they didn't drown when they were 5 years old.

>>60529752
That's true but I also have severe ADHD and can't concentrate at all. Well I take my fucking medication, and I've found ways to cope. I eliminate distractions and use good distractions (like fidget toys or music) to my benefit. When you accept your faults and decide to better yourself you can go a long way.

>>60529863
It makes you stronger. You're not a real man if you can't force yourself to do something you hate that will make your life better. Stop relying on others help.
I hate accepting others help. Sometimes I need to because it's for my own good. But a lot of the time you just need to man the fuck up and work your ass off.

>>60529949
To be fair ADHD isn't as debilitating as debresshun or even soshul aingsigheetee. Especially in murrica where they hand out amphetamines like candy.

>>60529966
>Force yourself to do something
It's like you didn't understand anything in that post at all. Even if you did somehow manage to force yourself to see a shit tier RPN chances are they aren't going to be able to actually help you. If only you yuros knew how bad it really is over here.

>>60527486
I'm on my first year and mines only a 2.3. got a bunch of Cs and my SJW english teacher didn't like me and gave me a D. Still have lots of time to not end up like you I guess. Although I won't have debt so I guess it will never be that bad.

>>60530004
You missed my point completely. You don't need fucking drugs. Do they help? Yeah. Do you need them? No.
Get your ass up and get over yourself and do fucking work even if your misserable until you can afford to buy health care like a proper American.

>>60529980
So you're telling me my mental illness isn't as bad as someone else's? They all vary in strength and their negative affects are all different. You can't compare them. The point is that everyone has strengths and weaknesses and part of being an adult is accepting and overcoming your weaknesses on your own. Using any disability as an excuse is sad as hell. I don't tell any of my employees I have ADHD and I o ly told my University because I get earlier scheduling of classes. I don't need special treatment because I'm better than that. I'm as good if not better than the next guy at what I do so I don't need any pity for my sad little disability.

>>60530060
Fuck I meant employers not employees.

>>60529341
To be fair to him, a lot of programs don't touch webshit like JS unless you specifically take courses for them.

Should one skip the college meme and go for the certification meme instead?

>>60529931
>There are much better entry level jobs out there. look for warehouse jobs or something. probably pays nearly twice as much.
This, not only is the pay better, but companies will hire from within, giving OP a desperately needed leg up. Get a shitty job in a factory/warehouse and don't fuck it up.

>>60530004
>Forcing yourself to do something == Forcing yourself to see a doctor.
You've got the wrong mindset. I went to a psych once, found she was worse than useless, and forced myself to find a way to improve on my own.

This isn't a euro vs merica thing. You are more than capable of fixing your own problems and yet you won't. This isn't uncommon, in fact you are in the majority of people.

The logic is simple, you have to do something in order for anything to change, and don't be expecting an outside force to be capable of changing your own life for the better, that come down to you,and you alone.

My example to you would be an addict of any form of drug. If you;ve ever known or tried to help one of them you quickly realize that if they are not willing to help themselves then there is nothing yo can do to really help them. It has to come from within. This is true of a lot of mental illnesses.

>>60530060
>Get your ass up and get over yourself
Not possible if you're actually sick you dumb nigger.

So, basically i can only build stuff in Java and PHP. I know C/C++ too, but i don't see my self in that language, by my standars c++ needs perfection and i cant offer that.
So my question is, is there hope for me with Java/PHP

>not indian inb4 pajeet

>>60530120
>You are more than capable of willing away mental illness
Opinion discarded.

>>60530126
>I am not capable of fixing my depression
Retard detected.

>>60527486

Become a criminal.

>>60528870
This is why self employment is best. You don't need to apply and experience a hiring process like that so some low class nigger can interrogate you and not realize talent exists across a broad spectrum.

>>60529680
>tfw clinical depression since I was about 10
>see stacy fail one course and she now has a severe depression
>still goes out every night and is always updating her social media
If your brain still produces serotonin then you don't really have depression
Why is it only a recent thing that everyone has depression? Like what triggered it?

>>60527486
>muh depression
Maybe your debts should be removed because you think that being emo is a reason for absolving personal responsibility for your actions.

>>60530146
>Maybe if I ignore it it will go away
I'm convinced you're a burger roleplaying as a yuro at this point. Only people in my country can be this dumb.
>>60530158
Acceptance. Boomers are too old to give a shit about things now, but before they would slap your shit and tell you to suck it up like the retard I'm replying to above. Now parents and others in positions of authority don't do that, so normalfags abuse it.

>>60530121
Yeah it fucking is.
I ran a 5k when I had the flu with a fever of 103 because my HS XC team needed me. I threw up 5 times during the race and I was dry heaving when I finished.
If I can do that then you can get off your ass and work when your "sick".
The only time I take a sick day is when I'm worried about infecting other people.

>>60530158
People feel sad and claim that they are depressed and doctors get money for pushing medication. It gives depression a bad name which is stupid because REAL depression like yours is fucking misserable (as I imagine it).

Also people want attention and they want people to feel bad for them and they want to have an excuse for why they are shitty at something.

>>60527486

>tfw took me twice the ammount of time to get a master in ECE
>literally 90% of what was taught is fucking useless

>>60530187
No it isn't you mong. Why do you think you're an authority on this when you've never experienced it and apparently only ever had ADHD which wasn't bad enough to impact your life at all? It's like telling people with cancer to just stop being bitches because you had an intestinal polyp that resolved itself.

>>60529752
>It's not possible to understand the unbearable weight of dread and complete lack of willpower, energy, and motivation unless you've experienced it first hand
I was like this. I legitimately fixed it by forcing myself to go to the gym five days a week at around 6 in the morning. Invert nocturnal sleep schedule. It's hard but it can be done.

>>60530221
You're telling me that I have no idea how hard someone's life has been when you don't know how hard my life has been.
Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical?
Why do you have more authority than I do?
You're making moot points here buddy.

I've seen people with the flu that think they're going to die and need all of the attention, meanwhile one of my good friends fought cancer for 6 years and died at 18 and never once bitched about because she was a fucking fighter and wasn't going to try for pity points. She didn't let it stop her from living her life until it stopped her heart.

I'm in a similar boat to OP (i.e. 5 years to complete a BCS + math minor and a mediocre 3.2 GPA [although my school does GPA out of 4.2], few projects outside of school assignments, and no internship).

However, I really bunkered down in my last year and got As. And they were in some notoriously difficult courses at my school (like Principles of Programming Languages). One professor even offered to write me a recommendation letter unsolicited.

Will employers care about that? I haven't started looking yet.

>>60530180
>acceptance
Yeah that's a pretty good point. I had a great family growing up so I never experienced this but I know others who have real depression/anxiety and say their families forced them to shut the fuck up and don't tell anyone and ignore it. Mainly for religious reasons.

>>60530187
I honestly think lack of education is to blame. Kids hear about depression on the news/internet and they feel a little sad so they tell themselves they're depressed. I remember as a kid I never learned a single thing about mental health during health class. Was 100% physical problems and shit like "eat healthy:))) dont smoke :))))"

If they knew what it was really like I don't they as many people would falsely claim to have it.

>>60530180
>Tell him he has to face the problem and actively do something about it.
>"Maybe if I ignore it it will go away"
Good job reading exactly the opposite of what I posted m8.

Not once did I say meds don't help. But you and I both know they don't solve it. And you truly must be mentally deficient if you think actively ignoring it is the same as actively helping yourself.

>>60530269
Absolutely. But an internship is the most important thing in getting a job.

>>60530292
Oh same thing with me. It was a little better in highschool but still.

>>60530269
>3.2
That's higher than a B average you faggot, that should be enough for employers

>>60530244
>fixed it by going to gym
Opinion discarded.
>>60530266
I'm telling you that your claims of "anyone can just will away their ''''depression'''' with enough willpower" are complete and utter bullshit not grounded in any science. If you believe otherwise you are American tier stupid.
>This one person I knew was a hypochondriac whiner but the other one wasn't
That's great but it doesn't invalidate anything I've said. Whining and the reality of mental illness are not linked.
>>60530300
>You and I both know they don't solve it
It's literally unsolvable without being able to change the structure of your brain. Medication is the only thing that consistently and verifiable works though. "Just stop being depressed bro!" isn't going to work just like if I told you to "just stop being distracted" you couldn't.

>>60529040
did you already have your bachelors when retaking classes? I want to do something like that

>>60527486
100k debt after 5 years? I call bs. I have a 60k CAD debt after 6 years.

>>60530408
That's only 20k of debt a year m8. Very common t have that much or more.

>>60530354
Stop making excuses with your pseudo science bullshit. When I was a teenager my mom forced me to go the shrink and they kept telling me I had their imaginary "depression" but I refused to take their jew pills and stop being a pussy all on my own.

Medication is only half the treatment. If you are depressed you should talk to a therapist. Fixing the chemical imbalance is important but so is how you structure your brain. Changing the way your mind thinks is harder than people give it credit.

>>60530354
>It's literally unsolvable without being able to change the structure of your brain
That's possible. Repetitive action, it's very likely why the gym comes up in these debates so often.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/02/29/can-a-person-change-their-brain-structure-yes/

Depression is entirely curable. Your pussiness isn't tho :^)

>>60530421
how? courses at my university are about 700 CAD dollars. its 40 courses for a degree. now of course theres other fees/failing courses/taking extra courses but 100K debt after 5 years seems ridiculous.

Im in my 6th year with about 7 withdrawals, 2-3 Fs and tons of superfluous courses to bump my gpa up and I'm 'only' at 60k.

>>60530354
>Opinion discarded.
Why? Because you're a lazy fat fuck?

>>60530354
>Medication is the only thing that consistently and verifiable works though

>mankind was simply born with this flaw and the only way to stop it is in the year 2017 with prescription medication
yeah you are a defeatist faggot and you deserve everything you've got

fuck you

>>60530431
I can't tell if this is satire.
>>60530436
Yes, exactly. That was my original comment to this "European" guy. Poor Americans have much, much worse prognoses than poor yuros because access to both of those things is much more restricted.
>>60530450
It comes up because most people claiming depression aren't actually suffering from MDD. Going to the gym won't help you if you have broken serotonin/dopamine/norepinephrine receptors.
I have narcolepsy and this is like the kind of shit my parents and relatives used to tell me.
>You're so tired all the time because you're lazy! Just get up and go do something and you'll feel better!
They never even apologized after I got diagnosed.

>>60527812
Try some open source work. Start at documentation, fix some bugs.

>>60530479
Each course is $700? You can't even get that at a community college around here. State Universities are around $2500 a class. Community colleges you might be able to get classes around $1200. Those are 3 credit courses because a years tuition is typically $25000 or more.

>>60528210
Don't just make sure instead of saying "I wanted to see if you received it" say "I wanted to know if we could set up an interview sometime this week." works everytime baby.

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>>60530487
You shouldn't have any trouble linking to some journals showing the efficacy of "just stop being depressed" being significantly higher than medication, then.

Oh wait you can't do that because they don't exist.
Sad!

>>60530502
oh Jesus ok now I see. I'm at a 'provincial' university which could be seen as the equivalent of state and its $700 a course here.

>>60530529
we get it you're worthless and can't help yourself due to things entirely outside your control
go die in a hole
you deserve it

>>60530487
>you don't need glasses just fucking look with your eyes
>what? Are you implying you were born with this flaw and the only way to stop it is prescription lenses?
>stop being a faggot just look, see
>you say you can't? You deserve this you fuck. burn in hell

>>60530530
And that's not including living costs or other added fees that they tack on.

>>60530563
>hurdur example A difficult choice example B no choice SAME THING DURRR
so you're a loser AND a fucking retard
like i said enjoy your life shithead
y o u d e s e r v e i t : )

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>>60530544
>loses and resorts to ad hom shitposting
You're better than this.

>>60530563
No but someone who can't see far away but can see close to them can manage without glasses just fine.
Sit close to the board, pay or ask someone to take notes next to you that you can look at while the professor speaks. Take pictures of each slide of the lecture on your phone or ask the professor for their lectures so that you can view them up close.

There is a solution to every problem.

To sum up:
-Buckle up and stop being a pussy, go to gym
-Do projects and post them on github
-Learn new shit
-Repeat until you get a job but more importantly always keep your chin up whatever the outcome.

>>60530576
>insulting someone is ad hom
again, you are fucking stupid
this is not a formal debate and an insult is not an ad hominem fallacy
maybe you should get a fucking job instead of reading and misinterpreting wikipedia articles on logic

>>60530494
That in no way refutes the evidence that you can change the structure of your brain. It also doesn't refute the fact that it is possible to "fix" your receptors with the correct treatment.

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>>60530609
>more ad hom shitposting
Maybe you're not better than this after all.

>>60530575
>IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!!! IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT!
>IT'S JUST NOT I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY!!!
if you never had a counter argument you should have just never posted anything instead of embarrassing yourself. Maybe spending a little more time on this website before posting would help :^)

>>60530563
>>60530597
I'm gonna butt in here and say you guys probably have differing definitions on depression.

not being an expert but clinical, certifiable depression that is diagnosed by a reputable psychologist/psychiatrist is probably not treatable by 'just hit the gym, start meditation'. so the first dude is right in that sense.

however, the word depression gets thrown around a lot. people who say they're depressed aren't really depressed. in that sense, second person is correct that yes, that 'false depression' can definitely be cured by maintaining a strict schedule of waking up, going to gym early, meditating, etc.

I'm the latter where I wasn't depressed (sometimes thought I did, was unsure) I was just in a deep rut. for a while I thought I was helpless but I literally just forced myself to adhere a strict schedule (even if I don't have anything to do, I wake up at 7:00am, shower, eat breakfast, etc) and that helped me a lot.

>>60530602
I like how faggots from /fit/ try to tell you to work out when it's not relevant at all to the conversation.

If being /fit/ made you feel better, then the board /fit/ wouldn't be full of low-test pussies.

>>60530597
They can spend their entire lives being basically blind, of course. But if they want to enjoy their life more and have every day not be a huge strain on yourself and others, then they should get glasses/laser surgery.

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>>60530625
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246391.php
>For instance, there was "no evidence that participants offered the physical activity intervention reported improvement in mood by the four month follow-up point compared with those in the usual care group".
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3613866/
>Considering these recent results, the answer to the question “is exercise an efficacious treatment for depression?” appears to be “No.”

>>60530683
Working out builds confidence. Who do you think a potential employer will prefer when both have the same skills. An autistic overweight/underweight manchild or a confident man?

>>60530711
Absolutely. So they struggle the first year till they can afford glasses on their own and they buy them. Gives them motivation to work hard.

The government shouldn't help everyone or everyone becomes helpless and dependent on the government.

>>60530725
>working out builds confidence
if that were true, then there would be SOME people on /fit/ who aren't virgins

I know plenty of autists who go to the gym. They just look like ripped autists and they're still fucking weird and annoying.

>>60530683
I think the meme originated from people who did suffer from depression and noticed they did feel better when they started going to the gym. This doesn't work for everyone obviously.

It's the repetitive action that helped them, replace going to the gym with doing something you enjoy regularly and it makes more sense.

>>60530717
>I not once mention going to the gym helps. I say a repetitive action can help change the structure of your brain.
>Posts evidence to assert my claim.

Ayy lmao.

>>60530725
>Builds confidence
No, it turns one kind of insecurity into another. Most of the autists on /fit/ go from obsessing over their fat guts to obsessing over their bodyfat% and bicep circumference. They never once think to work on their social skills that are decades behind everyone else's.

>>60530748
If 4chan's board is your benchmark to judge people better stop talking
Expecting people from /fit/ to not be virgin is like expecting people from /g/ to know how to program

>>60530734
But what if you can't buy your glasses without a perscription? Also you would only have to buy your glasses once, whereas medication is a biweekly purchase.

>tfw only a few internships around me
>think my resume and everything are pretty good, not even a call back or email or fucking anything
What the fuck do I do? I can't bring myself to work a shitty minimum wage job. I'm graduating in december. Should I apply to real jobs too?

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>>60530734
>Need to get glasses
>Can't afford glasses
>Only option available is a handheld telescope
>"Just stop being a whiny cunt mate"

>>60530788
There are plenty of people on /g/ who know how to program, so that is a terrible analogy.

>>60530748
Getting /fit/ only gets your foot in the door. If you can't hold up socially you're getting booted out the door. Retards will dedicate years of being fit only to realise they can't get a gf because they have assburgers.
It's not a miracle cure

>>60529078
What did you study to land that job?

>>60529078

Good job anon! Hope I can pull that off too sometime soon.

>>60530831
you don't need to tell me bro I work out 4 times a week

I only post ironically on /fit/ because they're bigger losers than /r9k/. I basically do all my shitposting on /fit/ so as to not lower the quality of boards I like

>>60527486
Make exercise,grooming,go outside and get some friends, sometimes HR reject you because you are antisocial creep guy, HR is full of women, say to friends you make webpages, start to learn HTML,CSS,JavaScript and sql, put youself to work 6 hours per day ,zero distractions to make web apps or android apps, create normal CRUD app,add documentation and clearly easy explain projects.

Some friends could present another friends work in software develop or some corp need some administrative system.

About depresion walk on sunset and thinking who want to be.

Mostly filters on jobs are if you are antisocial or don't know make job or you could offer nothing to corporation

DATABASE. SYSTEM CONCEPTS. SIXTH EDITION. Abraham Silberschatz

Most jobs would find need good database this book teach how do databases, each time had troubles consult this, really help you a lot.

>>60529501
What country are you in and I admire this sooo much!

>>60528870
Just say you were volunteering at a local church or something. Or you had to take care of your grandparents.

>>60527836
What tools would you learn in a CS degree?

>>60530083
dafuck
frenchfag in twelfth grade here
took a class that add hours , called isn(informatique and science of numerique) pretty much CS i think
we have two mini-project to do and a big one for the end of the year
make the second one alone using JS,( teacher don't know a lot on JS and was intersted in me doing some to introduce JS to the class, )
dafuk you need more courses when you can learn alone ?

>>60531503
don't forget where you are
autism is a gift but also a curse

>>60529501
get into cryptos you fuck

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>>60531705
>Throwing money in the toilet for memecoins

>>60531503
>twelfth grade

reported for underage, algerian scum.

>>60527929
I am in LONDON, how do I become a system administrator?

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>tfw education is free unless you're repeating a failed class in my country

>>60531803
eh , french and 18 you cunt
>>60531588
what do you mean ?

>>60531773
>missing out on literally free money
Don't say we didn't warn you friend.

>>60531852
Enjoy your losses. I'd bet memecoins on the majority of /biz/ losing or making less than $300 total on shitcoinz.

>>60529758
Explain?

>Go to college for 1 year after HS
>had like a 3.5, roughly 80-85% because some classes were curved and my school's grading system was kind of weird
>realized I didnt like the course and didnt want to do it for the rest of my life
>dropped out
>got a job in trades/construction, paid off the $4000 I owed for school in like 3 months
>now make $25/hour which works out to like $70k/year because I work lots of hours out of town, and get bonuses and stuff
>all my friends with degrees are barely making $40k/year, except my one friend who became a doctor, but he has to work insanely terrible hours/shifts
>plan to save up $100k or so, quit my job and start my own business in one of a few fields (havent worked out the details 100%, but I need starting capital first either way, so I can cross that bridge when I come to it, and my decisions may change depending on the market)

I think I made the right decision, school is for suckers. Even if I dont quit this company, my job gets easier every year because I can make new guys do the hard stuff, and in another 3-5 years I'll be making over $100k, with a ceiling of like $250k if I can get promoted to management (long shot, but definitely possible, although either way I dont plan to be here that long). I also have 2 pensions I'm contributing to, along with my canadian pension plan, and full benefits.

Idk why more people dont get into trades

>>60531884
>Why doesn't everyone want to work 10 hour shifts doing physical labor
Wonder why.

just learn python and develop a bot for a popular game and sell it to whales and you'll get lots of money

cant believe i have to spell it out for you. the downside is you'll be bothered by 10 year old asking how to use it and all little nitty gritty bugs will be reported like 'why i have to type in the number, make it so i can just click it with my mouse'

inb4 no interest in games. kys then

>>60531956
I never said everyone, but now if you get into a unionized company doing large-scale industrial work its not even that bad. You have access to cranes, lifts, hoists, vehicles, etc to do all the heavy lifting for you, and you aren't even really allowed to work all that hard because of all the union/safety rules. I was getting told to slow down and take my time constantly the first year I started doing it, because I was more used to working for smaller companies for summer jobs where you're pushed way harder

>>60532127
Oh I didn't read that you were Canadian. Young American whites don't get government construction jobs like that. The closest we get are actual backbreaking labor.

>>60527486
Why lie on the internet? What are you trying to say, college is a waste of money?

>>60532175
shit sucks :(

Although I've worked on large sites with american ironworkers, or welders, or whatever who are brought up here to work. The political side of it honestly kind of pisses me off for reasons, but its not like there isn't work there, and they get paid quite well.

Im not recommending you get a job as a labourer for some concrete or landscaping company, but even if you want to become a plumber or mechanical guy, or ironworker, or something, its only like 5 months of school to start your apprenticeship

>>60532217
Trades have increasingly started letting people go after their apprenticeships are over. It's really bad.

>>60530408
Canadian universities are subsidized you dolt

start looking for jobs that pay well but are outside of your major. Also consider trade school

>>60531871
Anon, BTC and ETH have been hitting record highs every day for the past week.

>>60532238
I've heard of stuff like that. That's pretty brutal and there's not a lot the union can do to stop them from laying guys off and then just not calling them back.

Although this one guy I work with who's from Ukraine said companies generally pay monthly, and will quite often say "we can't pay you this month, but next month will be a good cheque!", and keep doing that until the job is done, or only pay them once or twice, then declare "bankruptcy" (after they've hid all the money), which gets them out of owing their employees anything, then they'll start a new company and bid on the next job and do the exact same thing. I guess it could always be worse.

And once you have your red seal started (it might not be called a red seal in the states, but basically your ticket to do whatever you need to do) and some experience, its exponentially easier to get a job with another company, especially if you're willing to relocate or work out of town

>be poor farmer
>Mom cleans houses, no time to homeschool me or my 3 siblings
>Dad gone
>Fuck around learning a little programming on our dialup
>Turn 16
>Get GED, go to community college
>get a small web dev internship using things I learned on dialup
>Start working on personal projects on GitHub, small stupid stuff
>Get my next internship because the company liked that I had personal projects
>Transfer to the cheapest state university I could find
>They have career fairs
>get an internship with a big silicon valley company
>They offer me a job after I graduate
>Graduate with a CS degree
>Move down to silicon valley with my fiance

What now?

>>60532487
Get off 4chan

>>60532474
Oh and also, if you don't want to do manual labour, consider going to school to be an electrician. Residential is apparently shit, but commercial is pretty fucking cushy. A guy I know who's only in his 3rd year is making $33/hour, and some guys I know make $50/hour on some sites (some jobs have different contracts where your wage gets upped say, $4/hour, or you get a 13% bonus on your hours x your rate, or something like that) and quite often they don't even need to do anything but run wires through pipe chases (that they didnt even have to install), hook them up to breaker boxes/service panels, and then install lights in rooms. They're also usually responsible for the on-site electricity, but again, they aren't doing any of the actual labour really, but there's more potential for injury because you're working with electricity outside quite often in damp/submerged areas

>>60527486
Maybe apply for jobs outside of a 50 mile radius?

>>60529133
>essentially pushing their school costs onto the banks and lendors.
sounds good.

anyways OP I probably know even less than you in terms of skills on paper, but I'm in the same situation as you except I don't work somewhere as bad as McDonalds, I have zero debt, with some money saved, and I have zero rent because I live with family/friends and just chip in on shit.

aimless communal lifestyle > falling for the college debt meme

and honestly, yeah english would probably have gotten you a more enjoyable job, and it's the kind of thing you can use to apply anywhere coupled with a bit of experience/ I'm actually going to switch my minor to english or something like that. move back in with your parents or something and get an entry-level job that will give you more experience and possible advancement than mcdonalds.

I know that feeling. Same thing happened to me and my chemistry degree. Actually had to settle for a "chemical business and management" degree, because I couldn't pass physical chemistry.

I work in customer service now. It's not related to my degree, but it's pretty easy, and I make ~45k a year, which isn't bad.

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>math major
>any job I want
>choose janitor
>300k starting

nice..

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>>60529284
>...is it honestly too late for me to fix this?
no man, I was pretty much in the same situation. just gotta dedicate yourself to making babby steps in the right direction. make yourself a basic schedule that involves getting up and going to sleep on time. try to go out every day and interact with people on some level, even if that's just talking to the cashier at the grocery store. once you can communicate well enough to not freak out from anxiety (just try to stop overthinking how everyone is judging you), start going to school again and/or reach out to old friends or something over the internet. do enough school to get something, an associates degree or a certification or something. once you have that and some passable social skills, get a job, anything in any capacity (you can also do this while at school). don't be afraid to fail, try to stick with it but don't be afraid to quit either if it's not for you. just try things and gain experience. I'm making it sound easier than it is but if you can get all that done, you'll be fine, or a least the specter of total life failure will have left. once you get in a groove and have made yourself a bit of a safety net (social and/or financial), you might want to take a bit of a break to find out what you "really want to do", then go from there. don't get depressed that you're not making 100k by 20, that's not the point, the point is that you can support yourself and not be miserable. learn how to live cheap and save money too.

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>>60527768
You sound like a giant idiot and moron.
How do you fail 3 semesters in a row?
I loathe retards like you.

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People are not equal. There is variance in iq, some are more prone to mental illnesses, some are just born to being unable to delay gratification as well as others. All this shit has been identified and accepted by scientists but the facts are still pretty much taboos. People get taken for a ride, they are sent to places where they have no chance of succeeding. Reality is fucking ugly and brutal.

>just work hard bro
yeah just like in my japanese animes, work hard gambatte. No, it doesn't work that way. People should be helped to recognized, identify their limits and encouraged to live according to, so much suffering could be avoided. End all this everyone can be anything if they just try hard enough bullshit. It has never been true, never will be.

>>60532487
Help out your senpai and then get off 4chan.

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>>60527486
>solution
>go back to school referenced by OP using more federal loan money. Contrary to popular belief, you can always take loan money every year as long as you are getting a "degree" or at least an "associates" on record. This also means that you don't need to pay back until you are out of school.
>declare a "new field of study" with continued education and do the following.
>ask advisors if retaking classes can overwrite previously bad grades
>if yes, go retake all "D" and "F" graded classes and actually study you dumbfuck (preferable method)
>if no, go take as many 100 level bullshit classes as possible (example: music understanding), score "A" in those classes to counter the bad gpa (alternative method)
>After a few semesters and when you see fit, undeclare the "new field of study" previously stated and drop out completely.
>use the better gpa on your student record to apply for jobs
>live in shitty apartment for a few years paying back debt

>>60533373
it's impossible to end suffering so you might as well just do your best

>>60527836
Yeah if OP wants a job should've just gone to tech school; I think he should've majored in something he like, rather than a job tier degree

>>60529758
Student loans can't be defaulted unless you prove to a court "undue hardship"

>>60529804
Looks like you also got lucky

>>60533827

Do your best on your own "bracket" or whatever. Some are better of learning some trade rather than forcing themselves to higher ed. This way they could avoid all the suicidal thoughts, waste of time and burden of debt.
"Everyone should go to college" -meme and affirmative action programs follow from this line of thinking. People who get to places above their grade have huge dropout rate, it all comes with a great cost for the individuals as well as for the society. Some of them end up depressed, in debt and sometimes just end up killing themselves. Later in life they might find their place but they have been permanently set back by all the waste from their 20s.

Always regretted it that I didn't go with programming or some other computer related major but after reading this thread not so much anymore

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>>60532532
>>60533466

But I like 4chan

>I used to hope there was life on other planets.
>But since seeing the absolute state of the millennial generation, I hope we're alone.
>Because if they are out there, and they come here, the weakest generation in all history will leave us sucking green dong for the rest of creation.

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>>60527486
It's obvious that you couldn't handle the courseload, so why didn't you dropout or something instead? Did your parents not know about your self-diagnosed "depression", aka "how come nothing goes my way when I've literally done nothing to accomplish anything" syndrome?

>>60533776
Bro 100k is way too much fucking money lmao. But your plan is reasonable. Op got some pretty good advice here.

Couple years ago, I too was out of a job and unsure of what to do. I wasn't really hire able at the time, so I went down to the local general labor employment place.

It was an amazing deal, I could do a different job each day, even take time off. It was mostly event setup, at a real nice location. Just beautiful scenery, and mindless work.
As it was physically demanding, I lost a lot of weight, and eventually got down to a reasonable size.
After a few months, I went looking for a tech job again, and landed my first one.
They were amazed that I just got off my ass and worked while job hunting.

>>60529009
Well we are born to work so yes that is an issue.

I have MSc CS with 4.0 and I'm unemployed

>>60528724
Failing just one course can tank your GPA no matter where you are in your degree path. And since CS is one of the few degrees that has a stricter progression path (most of the coursework has to be done in a certain order), fucking up in one class can wreck you for a whole year or longer.

>inb4 switch majors
>implying switching majors is easy at year 3
Depending on where you're at, switching majors could be even more time and money spent than just continuing on.

>>60527836
the majority of schools don't teach things like deployment techniques, revision control, or debugging techniques beyond just staring at the code until you see the problem.

>>60532999

probably alcohol and pot in the background he forgot to mention

>>60527486
Its your fault for not taking the initiative to actually learn the discipline

>>60534982
Wrong. Failed a couple courses and got a D and several Cs. Came out with a 2.75

You could always just kill yourself.
That should get rid of your debt.

Honestly, graduating with a BS in CS and still not knowing how to program is pretty fucking pathetic. Get your shit together or just fucking off yourself.

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>>60528870
Say you've been honing some employment-favourable skills for better employment opportunities.
For me, it'll be true... sort of: trying to wisen up with SICP and language-specific books.
Otherwise, I've been busy with my social/entrepreneurial hobbies.
Just quietly brush the vidya and porn under the figurative carpet...

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>>60529750
>durr I don't know any biochemistry and reason in pop wisdom
>hurr I am lazy and project my image onto other people

>>60527486
Similar story but I feel a little better about my worthless $12000 diploma

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>>60529711
>I just hate people that sit around and watch Netflix then bitch about how they aren't getting anywhere in life. My gf did this for the longest time until I forced her to get a job to have some meaning in life and now I can tell she is a happier person.

Its weird I agree with this yet do the opposite

>mediocre performance in CS
>no real personal projects complete yet (not counting meme apps)
>getting internship at a mediocre company this summer as a junior iOS dev
>yuro country so 0 debt

Could be worse

4 year IT degree at state uni, 4 help desk level 1 interviews coming up next week any advice???

Join the military. Put me out of my slacker mentality. Also after you do your minimum service anyone will take you because you served the country.

>>60536921
Just don't bitch about. I understand some people like being lazy and if you're happy with that being your life, then more power to you.

>>60537335
>join the military
>join a PMC afterwards
>commit war crimes while getting paid a 6 figure salary

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>>60532910
>just try to stop overthinking how everyone is judging you

This is a big one. Just act like you don't give fuck anymore. Eventually it will be true.

I personally broke out of my bubble by pretending to be an asshole.

>wrapping up year one cs
>take out $3k subsidized loans every year
>don't spend it all
>3 more years to go or 2
>no GPA
>passed both semesters
Am I fucked?

I'm gonna go into debt

I never want to work in this field

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>>60531233
>>Minor in Jap
>>Weeb attachment
>What country
Take a wild fucking guess buddy

>>60531705
I was in the crypto stream in uni so have a few courses under my belt, but few jobs that require it and I don't have any practical experience

>>60538095
this guy took steroids, you can tell by his chest acne

>>60527486
Even if you put shitty code up on Github, you still have more open source code in your portfolio than 80% of the applicants.

>>60527703
All thanks to Uncle Joe BIden.

>>60527486
Learn PHP, take shitty freelance jobs until you have enough experience to get a better gig.

Either that or move.

>>60538703
You can tell he used steroids because he is uggly as fuck

>>60538141
What do you mean by no GPA?
9-12k isn't that bad in loans, if it doesn't workout its a couple years of fulltime work while living at home.

Work hard to get a coop/internship or looks for summer positions that only are for college and uni students. You'd be surprised how few people apply for those and usually they're grant funded positions.

Any experience you can put alongside your degree will land you interviews

>>60538690
Brazil?

>>60538690
Mexico?

>>60531884
>$25/hr
>70k a year
I can see why you failed school, your math is shit.

>>60538946
>r because I work lots of hours out of town, and get bonuses and stuff
sounds like your reading comprehension is shit

>>60529501
>such shit pay every day
>$30/h
>shit

>>60538690
Oh, that explains it.

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>>60539008
https://stackoverflow.com/company/salary/calculator
According to this, I could be getting 2-3x as much as I do right now, so yeah, shit.
And just shit compared to what non-loser Americans are making anyway, reasonable for Europe I guess. Don't forget higher taxes.

>>60527486
>>B.S. in Computer Science

I am so sorry.

>>60528907
>Why is it bullshit exactly?
Because it removes all risk from lenders. Which is the same as removing all responsibility. Lenders and colleges have an incentive to push as many students into as deep of debt as possible without giving a quantum of a fuck whether or not the degrees are worth anything or whether or not they can ever pay back the loans. The fallout from this will be the catalyst for the next 2007/08 style crash.

>No one forced OP to take 100k in student loans
>expecting an 18yo brainwashed by teachers to make calculated, rational college decisions
Fuck you.

>and judging by the fact he only squeaked by with a 2.1 GPA in 5 years of school tells me that he was lazy as fuck
>all you need is hard work!
Fuck you again. When lenders and colleges were at risk of never being paid back they had an incentive to make sure:
* The student could succeed in the chosen course. (SAT testing)
* The student would succeed in the chosen course. (Past grades and accomplishments)
* The chosen course would lead to employment on a pay scale that would be sufficient to repay the loan.

OP's depression suggests he was working very hard but struggling to make it. He probably should have been weeded out into a different field. Now he is saddled with debt while his resume is one of 10,000 that hit every recruiter making it impossible for the people who should be in the field to stand out.

>Now the 'someone else' wants OP to pay back and we're suppose to feel sorry for him?
How I feel about him is irrelevant. What is relevant is that lending money with no possibility of bankruptcy (no risk to the lender) is tantamount to fraud. And any agreement where one party conspires to commit fraud is, or should be, null and void.

I'm sure you'll disagree. But whether you agree or not is as irrelevant as my feelings about OP. Because the student loan bubble will crash our economy as hard as the housing bubble. One way or another, the taxpayer will get the bill.

>>60539987
t. person with 120k in student loans

Just get a gun and pull the trigger senpai.

>>60540186
glad I went to a state school.

I got grants but I still took loans out so I wouldn't have to get a job. I will only end up owing about $10k after I graduate as an electrical engineer.

Protest against the government for introducing tax cuts that make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and demand that the rich must share a part their money.

Oh wait, this is 4chan, where all acts of good are determined as communism.

Oops, I just said something that a liberal would say. That means I must be a liberal. Double oops.

is it true student loan drive up college cost in burgerland?
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/8/12/9130157/financial-aid-tuition-bennett-hypothesis

>>60527486
im sorry you're dumb but you shouldve realized and switched majors if you were failing that much.

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>>60539987
>Fuck you.

Not an argument. Only 15% of the population goes to college, so why should the other 75% of the population, who make less than the 15% who did go to college, have to pay for your schooling? I thought you guys hate the rich stealing from the poor, yet that is exactly what you are arguing for here. You just sound like an entitled bitch.

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>>60540883
>15% + 75% = 100%
Sure hope this is a troll that's baiting someone to say "this is why you need university"

>>60528907
>lazy as fuck
do you know what depression is?

Why do people in US take loans to study?
I am average Poo. Family is average payscale category. I never had to take loan to study.
I did my major and master in CS for around.....$10K.
I work for nvidia for $30k in here. So.
I invested 5-6 years plus $10K.
I will get all these back this July when I complete my 1 year.
Seriously Americans need to do something or suck cock.

>>60532910
Sell burgers save money.

>>60527486
>Graduate but didn't learn fucking anything
Gee it's like there's a reason nobody wants to hire your retarded ass.

>>60532193
There is 50-50 chance that he is not lying or telling his real story. Point is he asked us to get involved in discussion which can be done irrespective or truth value of happening.

>>60541594
He probably spent 7300 hours with friends, cucking girls and taking too much time to take shit because fat. Where would the productivity come from?

>>60529341
Well I mean the bulk of programming is understanding the concepts behind it and being able to do layers of abstract thinking. Learning your way around another programming language is like learning your way around another flavor of linux once you get that down, but I don't think he's done even that.

>>60529732
Evident, fag neptuneposter.
What does this franchise do to people?!

>>60528900
A lot of industries move fast so if somebody sees a two year gap in computer science they're going to assume that you're two years behind in the field.

>>60539987
>Because it removes all risk from lenders. Which is the same as removing all responsibility.

He has a CS degree, he should be able to get a job. I am in IT and in the 15 years since I graduated college never once at any interview has anyone asked me my GPA nor do i list it on my resume (it was 2.8 but I was in the top half of my class)

He should easily be able to get a job as a code monkey and make 50k a year and pay off that loan over 20 years.

If OP took out 100k in loans it was not all tuition, he was using it for food and entertainment, that's 20k per year for 5 years when he had no job. Not that bad really.

If I had not been allowed to take out loans or barred because I had a C average I would be fucked today, it's the only way I could afford college. I have a good job and the loan debt is no issue.

How do you know which way it's going to turn out half way through college? Are you going to deny people like me the ability to pay for school just because others might regret not having a job for so many years and living on loans?

The student loan bubble is not going to crash our economy, loans are at low rates and you have decades to pay them off.

At least taking out a loan makes you think personally about whether your major is a good cost/benefit ratio, if college were "free" lots more people would get dick degrees and smoke weed for 5 years. That would be more expensive overall than people individually deciding to take on loans knowing they will have to pay them back

>
How I feel about him is irrelevant. What is relevant is that lending money with no possibility of bankruptcy (no risk to the lender) is tantamount to fraud.

there is risk to the lender, you can defer the loans forever and after 20 years if you are still a poorfag you don't have to pay them back, that's a risk

>>60540186
The fuck was your major
the fuck did you go to school?

Thank god I had a job in college and went to a reasonable uni

>>60541558
>Why do people in US take loans to study?
Not everyone does
>>60541558
>I did my major and master in CS for around.....$10K.

Yeah and you went to the university of Mumbpoo which is not considered higher education in the USA

Go to a real school, then we'll talk

>>60528900
>Couldn't you just say that you went through a religious crisis for 2 years?

because that's totally a normal thing to do and shows you will be a good stable reliable worker

>>60530152
This desu
I'm robbing BANKS and exporting MONEY overseas while you SLAVE away for pocket PENNIES

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>>60530152

>>60540883
Because someone who goes to college will generally make far more money in the future and therefore pay the cost of education back due to far higher taxes.
In a country that isn't founded on bullshit, that is.

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>>60533827

Underrated.

>>60541842
What about people like OP who dicked around unemployed ranking up $100,000 in debt for 5 years

should anyone who wants to do that be allowed to at everyone else's expense

it's 5k per year for 20 years, OP can pay it back his own fucking self

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>be second last day of class
>failed course with no warning
>meeting with prof and student success coordinator
>they say fuck you you got 60% but fail
>success coordinator tells me "maybe IT isn't your thing"
>word for word that line
>on the second last day of classes after fucking me over
that's how I didn't graduate but they arn't getting any more money
IT sucks and post secondary is a scam

>>60527486
/r/cscareerquestions

I don't care that I'm suggesting reddit, lots of useful advice there.

There is obviously something wrong with your resume if you aren't getting callbacks. Take your gpa off it, internships are your foot in the door. If you can't get an internship you will need good quality side projects to showcase, open source contributions help a lot too.

Stay hygenic, exercise, apply everywhere and practice coding questions you will get in interviews.

Where do you live?

>>60527745
What's you IQ? I'm kind of scared mine isn't high enough and I'm wondering whether I should bother with University.

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>>60527486
You basically jump from workplace to workplace. Always use the current one as a skipping stone. That's how you get a raise basically.

Like I worked at a place where they were swimming in money, but the only way someone would ever progress was that people died.
So yeah, they had their own company vehicle that they could use, good pay, but fuck some waited for 20-30 years for that.

It is much faster, safer, better if you just hop from place to place. Also don't sweat about internship, I had a few and worked at places during studies. It's only good for fucking up your grades/progress.

>>60542592
IQ has not much to do with it.
Can you study shit you don't like? Yes? You will be fine.

Like you go into IT and then you study obscure math that you will never use, and probably even hate. It's not even hard, but you have to memorize a lot of useless shit.

> inb4 this is what dumb people say
I KNOW. Fuck I used to call people out who said this "wow I will never use this why would I learn it"... but they were right all along.
It made my uni last years longer, and guess fucking what. I never used them.

tl;dr: IQ doesn't really matter. You just gotta be hard working in your studies. Seriously I have met borderline retards (REALLY) in university, and they did well because they tried hard and studied.

>>60541558
It is a business model in US you cannot avoid.
Debt is a thing you have as a US citizen. If you finish school, if you want a house, if you do anything whatsoever - you are in debt.

That's how US works.
Then you pay your debts with loans and more loans. Until you die.

It's just a different way of handling money, don't even know why they sweat about it. Like I am from Europe. We have free higher education BUT it is designed in a way that tons of people fail and start paying for it (there are rules how much is free).

So basically you end up in the same situation.
Financially - you will be at the same spot.

>>60542987
>It's just a different way of handling money, don't even know why they sweat about it. Like I am from Europe. We have free higher education BUT it is designed in a way that tons of people fail and start paying for it (there are rules how much is free).

You would be surprised how easy it is to get a scholarship in the USA, I got one with a C average in high school because I scored in the top 10% on the SATs, full tuition and housing

If you have a B something average and score well on the SATs you can go to college for free in the USA

>>60542592
>What's you IQ? I'm kind of scared mine isn't high enough and I'm wondering whether I should bother with University.

what did you get on the entrance exams?

>>60542964
I like math. I'm not amazing at it but it is interesting.

>>60543089
I'm in my final year of HS (In some states of Australia you are 18 in it.) and at the end of the year you get an ATAR which is a score that let's you get into a course. I'm confident I'll get a good enough rank for CompSci but I'm not sure I can succeed in it.

>>60543256
That's not enough though.
I also like math, but trust me this is ...autism-levels math. Like math majors, talented math people ... they are "not one of us".

They are a different species - without exaggeration. And hell they enjoy being this different. Which is no issue.
But then they try to rape you with their shit, and they usually succeed.

I can't give you much examples, but yeah. You have to be good at math and good at learning shit.
Like now I had my second exam in the year, studied a lot, went to teacher, knew how to solve them. Result? 10 points out of 60.

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>>60532487
leave this wreched place.
this where tormented souls come as a final stop before death
4chan is like a last meal of shitty tech memes.
you made it out.
live your live
god speed anon

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i have a question tho
>currently enrolled in webdev

>comfy nodejs backend internship

>1 year untill graduation

>want to do software engineering degree after

>haven't continued to learn mathematics after high school

>rusty as fuck whenever i try to pick it up again

can someone point me in the right direction please?
so i dont look like an utter moron when i get into software engineering ?

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>>60543877
>>comfy nodejs
>so i dont look like an utter moron
Too late for that m8

>>60543412

>But then they try to rape you with their shit, and they usually succeed.

Hahaha, spilled my coffee..

But it's so true.

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."


I think I did get a fairly good understanding of math, but boy does it wreck your brain.

It's not about being smart, I'm pretty sure everybody can study math, but it's hard work. Math exercises take so much longer than programming exercises..


>>60543877

Hontesly I would finish the WebDev stuff, maybe focus on backend and git gud with stuff like Java and Python.

Today most software developing includes some kind of web topics. So if you are good with Python and Java and have some practical coding skills, i see no reason why companies wouldn't love to hire you.

At the end of the day it's all about identifying/solving problems, using the correct abstraction and glueing libraries together. Wether you learn this skills in JavaScript or C is not that much of an issue, your skills will transfer easily.

Of course there are things like embedded systems or machine learning which require special skills, but for the average code monkey job it's not that much of a difference..

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>>60545177
I will finish webdev definitely.
but afterwards i want to learn something like C++ so i can build C++ wrappers for node.

This way i can still switch to SE or ES if i dont like webdev for some reason down the line.
I dont like laying all my eggs in one basket when it comes to my career

>>60532175
You sir. Might be fucking retarded. Sure, do you need more qualifications? Yes. Do you need to ACTUALLY FUCKING NETWORK? Yes. It's actually quite easy to get gov. Contracts. And they pay really fucking well

>electrician/plumber for 25 years

>>60527486
>Got depressed
the eternal scapegoat

>>60527486
>Graduated with 2.1 GPA
They let you graduate with a GPA that low?

>>60541514

Yeah, it's a legitimate disorder that is often heavily abused by people who are lazy and lack self-motivation to change the circumstances in their life that they don't like.

>>60539987
>Because it removes risk from the lenders.

Why should the lenders have any risk at all? When you go into a loan you're agreeing to pay back money that you borrow. How is the lender 'ebul' for expecting you to hold up your end of that agreement?

>Greentexting how 18 year olds shouldn't be held accountable to the fact they don't know anything about finances.

How is the lender at fault here? If the 18 year old doesn't know anything about finances, that certainly is not the lenders fault. The only defense I can say towards the 18 year old is that, yeah, most education paths up to that point do a shit job of reiterating how easy it is to get fucked by credit; but again, how is the lender at fault? You expect them to start denying loans to 18 year olds? As good as that sounds, good luck implementing that shit. Its best they just don't be retarded and get into the mess in the first place.

>Memeing that Hard Work is somehow taboo.
No, it really is that damn simple. I'm in college right now, with a full time job, maintaining a 4.0 GPA. Of course, the typical retort to that is "HURR DURR UR SITUATION DOESNT APPLY". By my experience has show me that people in their late-10s/early-20s are generally incredibly fucking lazy. You're free to disagree as well, but I strongly feel that disagreement is just attempting to argue against reality and that is always a fruitless endeavor. See first reply in regards to 'depression'.

>Its a bubble that will burst as big as the housing crisis!!!

Not quite - the actual 'loan amount' for these individuals is, on average, 1/3rd of the actual loan amount for mortgage holders in 2007 (30k vs 100k). Will it burst? Possibly, but we're not nearly as close as the strung up hyperbole by the MSM would lead you to believe.

>>60529358
>windows sysadmin
kek

>>60531503
CS is not about mass learning languages.

>>60543276
>Yfw you get secret score atar
>Still get into University

Shiiet

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How the fuck did this thread get 300+ replies

>>60548887
deluded kids that believe their degree will give them jobs.

sure it was OP's fault and it won't happen to them.