Why arent ssd's cheap yet? Why is flash memory still

>>60524730
Blame the fucking NAND fabs colluding to keep prices up

>>60524730
They are relatively damn cheap, same as HDD.

Maybe they could be cheaper somehow, but it's not like they're super easy to produce, so it's not like the existing demand is met trivially and then prices tank.

Best to just be complacent until new larger capacities come out and the lower the price on what you want.

SSDs are cheap. why are underage kids allowed to post on /g/?

>>60524750
>They are relatively damn cheap, same as HDD
in no region on earth are the as cheap as a hard drive gb for gb

>Maybe they could be cheaper somehow, but it's not like they're super easy to produce, so it's not like the existing demand is met trivially and then prices tank.
they are though, nand is incredibly easy to manufacture

supply and demand mostly.
the forms of flash that are in high demand, such as memory and storage for phones drop in price because the large quantities allow for economies of scale and manufacturing efficiency.
M.2 (SATA) SSDs seem to be cheaper than 2.5 inch SSDs generally now because the laptop market is driving demand in that direction.

>mass divided by time = shock

Fucking what.

Because smartphone production steals all the flash memory and end up making SSDS more expensive

>>60524730
Because only now did enough people discover that SSDs are a good meme. With rising demand brings higher prices if supply doesn't rise to compensate.

Or maybe the fabs are colluding....

>>60525563
why not open a new fab then?

>>60524730
Because they can.

price fixing

>>60525402
>in no region on earth are the as cheap as a hard drive gb for gb

That does not define whether the product is cheap.

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>>60524730
just kill yourself
prices per GB has gotten cheaper over the years

>>60524730
SSD prices have been nose diving these last 5 years, stop being stupid

>>60525763
>>60525894
going down doesnt mean cheap fuck face. Its cheap when it hits hdd prices.

>>60525960
You know that'll never happen. Stop being poor

>>60525960

Incorrect, any other stupid claims?

>>60524730
SSDs are cheap. Not so long ago my 240GB was an $800 part, now $100. Where have you been?

>>60524730
NAND makers are fixing prices.

I bought a 60GB SSD for 40 bucks, but it's normal price was 55.

Seems cheap enough for me. Just put the OS on the SSD and the rest of your data on regular drives if you're like me and poor.

>>60524730
>he uses backdoored SSDs with proprietary baseband nano chip
>remote access to anyone who has exploit#1537a5
all you're data belongs to us and the NSA

>>60524730
Better question is why are (standard today) DDR4 16GB $120 or $180 canuck dollars.

>>60526117
Because DDR4 is new and better! Don't want to use it? Well too bad, you have to in order to build a PC using new CPUs despite there being literally no benefit!

>>60525976
>i like to waste money because it makes me feel more important

t. middle class cuck

>>60526196
see
>>60526079

How's that T60 running Gentoo holding up?

>>60525526
I tried explaining it to myself but nope that's just not fucking right

>>60526117
Demand for memory is quite high and two manufacturers (out of 4 or 5 iirc) are currently testing a new production line. The prices will start droping slowly once those lines start operating at full effiency.

>>60526079
Good practice poor or not.

>>60525526
The 'g' stands for 9.81m/s^2, not 'gram' and the division mark is a weird notation meant to convey for how long the devices can sustain that acceleration.

>>60524730
Collusion, bitch.

In a very very basic sense, there are two important things that set price in a capitalist economy
1. how much does it cost to make
2. how much are people willing to pay

same as how the market rate for a job's pay isn't determined by how difficult the work is, but how little people are willing to work for.

>>60525526
vibration maybe, 350g every 2ms

>>60524730
Years ago samsung roadmap had reasonably priced 32 TB ssd hard rives on the road map for 2018. Sadly shortly there after all of Asia go together to limit production. Now we have 1tb that are only $100 cheaper than they were 3 years ago.

>>60525763
>>60525894
>>60526059

SSDs prices have gone up in the last year.

>>60526079
>60GB
Jesus, why even bother

>>60525960
never responds to anime retards

>>60525745
This

idk how you could pay 200$ for a decent cpu and then complain about paying 70 plus dollars for the fastest disk speeds...

>buy a 500GB HDD for $70 every 5 years because of physical failures
>SATA
>AHCI
>Antiquated tech
>High chance of DOA early on in use
Expense over 20 years: $240

>buy a PCI-E NVMe 500GB SSD for $240, only replace if you max out the total writes available
>Fast as fuck relative to HDD
>Better stock warranty
>Muh bleeding edge
Expense over 20 years: $240

Just do yourself a favour and get the SSD.

Anyone who says you should ever get a HDD over an SSD needs to drive a car with drum brakes, then one with disc brakes, and see how close the analogy is.

>>60530030
Hard drives last a lot longer than five years.

>>60530052
If you're lucky. Very few HDDs I encounter at my janitor job over 5 years old are healthy.

>>60530030
I bought a 4tb HDD for $100 fuck off with this bullshit

>>60530110
:^}

>>60530030
my 2x400GB 7200rpm RAID-0 is 12 years and counting

>>60529809
They've been as cheap as ever in Canada, adjusting for inflation

>>60525495
I noticed this. I want to upgrade my laptop.

Looks like it's cheaper to use an M2 drive with a janky adapter to 2.5".

>>60530142
Jesus. When's the last time you ran a SMART test on those disks?

>>60525397

In my country, 250gb SSD cost the same as 1tb HDD.

>>60530228
that's a fairly good price
in my country 250gb SSD cost the same as 2tb HDD

>>60524730

Flash is getting cheaper, but it still has a ways to go in order to match HDD in terms of data density and price.

>>60524730
>>60524741
the cartel

>>60524730
>Why is flash memory still so expensive?

Look at the prices for when they first (sata models) came out. I remember when 32GB and 64GB drives were fuckin expensive.

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This probably belongs to the stupid questions thread, but why do SSDs wear down and RAM doesn't?

>>60531596
RAM is volatile and loses all information it holds the second it loses power. It's also very expensive for the same amount of storage versus a non-volatile SSD

>>60531504
I still have a 128GB OCZ drive that I paid like $250 for in 2010ish. (shockingly it still works, probably due to not a lot of writes)

But hard drives will never go away until flash matches rust on $/TB, and that's still a long ways off.

>>60531596
A given flash memory cell can only be written to so many times before it degrades and stops being able to give you back what you put into it accurately. Drives go to a lot of trouble to hide this with wear leveling - tell the drive to write to block X ten times in a row and it'll tell you that's what it did, but it actually wrote to ten different blocks and kept some internal housekeeping about which block is X. Drives are overprovisioned - there's a few extra GB of flash memory in them and the controller spares out parts that fail. Rather like "bad blocks" in HDDs back in the 90s, before they learned the same trick.

The reason RAM isn't like this is basically that RAM is volatile. It doesn't have to store its data when its powered off, it just draws energy from the supply to keep whatever is stored in it there. DRAM (as opposed to SRAM) is completely rewritten over a thousand times a second to keep the data fresh, actually. This means that you don't have to metaphorically "blow a fuse" inside the RAM chip to change its state like you do with flash.

>>60525960
>why won't this objectively superior product be sold at the same price, it's not fair
did your mom rock you too close to the wall

WTF I am in the UK, in 2015 december I got my 850 Evo 250GB for £58.07 now its £89.36. What is this madness

>>60531596
DRAM is only holding information while a computer is turned on

>>60533053
Brexit, enjoy your shit currency

>>60532622
You're forgetting cost per gigabyte, on which SSDs are still objectively inferior to HDDs. And there's a lot of use cases where the advantages of SSDs don't matter nearly as much as cost per gigabyte. Obviously, since HDDs are still being made in large quantities and people continue to buy them.

>>60533236
Normla people use the OS and frequent programs on SSDs and store media files and games on HDDs

Stop being poor

>>60533292
>>Normla people [...] store media files and games on HDDs
thanks for proving my point. You just named a use case where $/GB wins out over performance, and HDDs are a better choice than SSDs.

>>60531668
>>60533078
>>60531644
none of these explain why RAM doesn't degrade

>>60533292
>Stop being poor
not him but i find this hilarious. i live in a third world shithole. ssds are twice as expensive than in the US and minimum wage is less than 400 dollars a month.

sure "stop being poor" is a sound advice

>>60533320
If we could only weaponize this autism

flash is free
you can download it from macromedia.com

>>60524730
Its more the HDD are ludicrously cheap as they near end of life but they weren't always.
I remember paying a small fortune for 30MBs.
SSDs are generally getting cheaper over time.

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>>60533329
That's what you get for living in hue hue lands

>>60533236
>cost per gigabyte
So, price?
Are you deliberately trying to sound like a complete idiot

>>60533353
>lose an argument
>better call him an autist, that'll change things!

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>>60533424
No you really are just an autistic retard for trying to compare fundamentally different technologies, one with decades behind it and another that's relatively new for consumers in the last 5 years

>durr why would you buy hard drives when tapes are so much cheaper

>>60524730
>Why is flash memory still so expensive?

It's hard to make motors for the tiny platters

SSDs are cheap enough for their purpose, which is to have a fast OS installation.

>>60531668
>DRAM (as opposed to SRAM) is completely rewritten over a thousand times
DRAM > katanas

>>60533461
>$3,398.00 in 1960 had the same buying power as $27,904.28 in 2017
wew

>>60525526
>>/v/

why do people ask stupid questions? obviously its either a) more difficult produce, b) uses more expensive materials, c) both

>>60530030
>$70
>500gb
Thats more than the price of 2tb drives. what shithole do you live in?

>>60533981
Damn, whoever bought that old shit must have regretted he didn't just wait.

>>60524730
It takes time to build factories, you know. Especially when the demand starts skyrocketing.

Also fucking cartels as usual ;)

>>60533365
hi,
i just wanted to let you know that i smirked

Same reason RAM is always expensive: slant eyed Jews.

>>60526093
This was a good shitpost I liked it.

>>60525526
>>60526630
>>60529519
>>60529788
>>60534024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_%28physics%29#In_elastically_deformable_matter

Basically when you reduce the amount of time a force travels through a system you increase the effects of the force. This is why in cars they have crumple zones, they increase the time the impact force takes to travel through the system. Thus it greatly reduces the effects on the human body of sudden deceleration (jerk force).

>>60529809
Yeah I never understood why.

I bought a SSD 12 months ago and since then the price has never been as low again.

>>60524730
>Why is flash memory still so expensive?
Because it has percieved value. Like gold, for instance. Gold's actual utility value combined with its cost of mining etc is nowhere near $1200 an ounce.
In the same way, SSDs are priced where people will pay. There is no link with the actual cost of making an SSD.
In the '80s IBM's gross margin on its mainframes was 90%. No wonder they had competition.
At that time crude oil was US$6 a barrel. The costs of extraction and transport have dropped since.

>>60535435
>Yeah I never understood why.
Because they can.
Drives are bigger, more reliable and durable. People will pay for that.

>SSD
>expensive
get a job lmao

>>60525526
>Current state of american education

>>60537075
HDD: 2 TiB for 65 bucks
SSD: 2 TiB for ___?

I want SSD-only storage for noise reasons only
why does it have to be so expensive

>>60524730
Because the demand is rising faster than they can produce them. Even shit tier laptops are including small SSDs these days.

>>60530030
>500GB SSD for $240
for what reason?

>>60524730
Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

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>>60525526
Take physics you fucking retard

>>60535135
>a person travelling at 0.0001m/s decelerates to 0m/s in 1 second takes the same shock as someone who did the same from a 10000m/s starting speed
ok

Another underage trash thread where they compare GB per dollar instead of GB per second.

Compare 500GB SSD to 500GB HDD
Fill both drives, the $ per second defines if the SSD is cheap or not.
Considering SSD usually range around 450-550MB write speed it's much faster, but let's say it's 5x faster than a HDD. So if the drive cost 5x more than the HDD at the same GB it's equally priced.
Just look at HDD vs SSD on 4K random read/write performance, some range from ~70-120 times faster than HDD, and even more so with NVMe.
The purpose of the SSD is fast storage. You pay for the speed and lower latency.

A 2TB drive can't fill 500GB on itself faster than the SSD, The SSD can fill itself 4 times over before the HDD has reach that GB capacity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_TUE3A-qbQ

>>60525745
Thanks for saying it.

Some people can't seem to understand simple logic.

>>60524730
but time is money. the time you save pays for the drive. save space, put your backups and less used files on slow medium.

>>60525763
>>60525894
>>60530173
>>60537033
You're all retarded. SSD prices have been going up significantly over the past 6 months due to increased demand and the switch to 3D NAND, which is still a fledgling technology.

>>60529824

>poor
>put OS onto it
>have 4TB of standard HDDs.

Also the SSD is from 2011 so get off my dick.

>>60537423
4000MB/s read

>>60525619
Because that's not true.

>>60534442
This is why I don't ever buy anything at all.

>>60534442
yes, a good 57 years he'd probably be in his grave by now. That's the AMD way.

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>2 ssds
>3 1tb hdds
>4 300~gb laptop drives striped together

>toss games on secondary ssd
>os on main ssd
>main storage on archive drive
>temporary shit I'm working on on the laptop array
>remaining drives for other shit like photoshop


NAND shit is expensive because smartphones took off faster than supply could overwhelm.

>>60538234
I think you're getting confused by the notation still. The g isn't supposed to stand for grams, it's acceleration, so the shock is measured in change in acceleration per second.

>>60524750
I'm not sure if you're young or a troll, but

back in the day we had 20 MB harddrives and then 80 MB become available at the same price and not long after that we had 240 and 500 MB drives for basically the same price and gigabyte drives came along and 20 years later, around 2010, we had 1 TB and 2 TB and 3 TB drives and the price per megabyte (or gigabyte if you will) of harddrive storage bottomed. Since then it's actually gone up. A 3TB drive will cost you slightly more today than it did 5 years ago. Now there are some 6 and 8 TB drivers but the price per gigabyte on those are higher than it is for 3TB drives.

As for SSDs, I bought a 240GB and two 500GB perhaps a year ago. Now a 240GB SSD costs about the price I paid for a 500GB SSD back then locally. I mean.. what the flying fsck.

That's not cheap. That's expensive.

>>60525397
No, they are not cheap. They are very expensive, specially if you need more than one.

>>60525675
Probably.

>>60525763
No. That was true up to 2010 or so.

>>60526196
More like
> my net worth is actually negative because I buy over-priced expensive things on credit to look wealthy and important
> I'm a slave who has to work overtime all the time to pay off my huge pile of debt
> I'll never be able to pay of that debt because I keep spending more than I earn

t. someone who doesn't have any debt and is proud of it.

protip: those who actually have saving have it because they.. save instead of flushing their money down the toilet. I seriously doubt there's any silly "stop being poor" posters on 4chan who don't have any debt chains.

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>>60530052
>Not pic related

>>60524730
Because of earthquakes and floodings.
And it'll be even worse when Best Korean artillery blows up those Samsung factories.

>>60542345
>I seriously doubt there's any silly "stop being poor" posters on 4chan who don't have any debt chains.
Stop being poor.
It's not how much you make that determines your wealth, it's how much of it you don't spend. Compound interest is your friend.

>>60543207
>And it'll be even worse when Best Korean artillery blows up those Samsung factories
No they won't. Samsung will have paid the NK army to leave them alone.
They did that with the South Korean government.

>>60543750
And you think that'll stop them from using it as an excuse to raise prices?

>>60543737
so if you don't spend it, you don't get an SSD?

>>60534413
2007

>>60540218
Yet I can still buy a 128gb SSD for $50 in Canada

>>60543737

"Stop being poor" they say.

"Mon, buy me another SSD and a Jewvidia and Jewtel so can I still call people poor?" they say.

>>60524730
>cherrypicking a 3.5'' HDD which is much less shock-resistant than a 2.5'' HDD
>implying a HDD has no cache

But goyim, you aren't supposed to buy storage devices anymore. Make do for the OS with whatever shipped with you laptop, and store any data that won't fit there cloud-side. Storage device prices rising even more will surely convince you to adopt that approach soon if you haven't already. By 2030 you won't even be able to buy storage devices anymore, your bootstrap OS will sit in a flash/RAM hybrid memory being part of the SoC, and anything else (including storage) will only be available as rentable cloud service.

ITT: cucks thinking SSDs are a replacement for HDDs, when in fact they are complementary.

t. to intelligent to choose