/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Does anyone know of a good set of forward-tilting monitor arms?

Why get the 1600 instead of the 1600x?

>>60523414
better included Heatsink that allows for a decent overclock, and cheaper. Resulting in a much cheaper overall system.

Speaking of cooling, What's a logical upgrade from a hyper 212 evo if I want to push my clock speeds a bit further? Sitting a 4.2ghz with a 6600k right now. I know it can probably get to 4.4 with this cooler, but I'm one of those people who can't stand the thought of any high temps.

>mfw I have to get 1600 instead of the 1600x even if I have a aftermarket cooler because the AM4 kit takes 3 weeks to arrive and I am not going to be that long without a computer.

Dammit.

>>60523637
i was convinced last thread that the difference was minimal (plus the 1600 comes with a good enough fan)

>>60523637
>run on sentences
If you really want a 1600x, I'd just go with that. 3 weeks isn't a very long time. Can you pay for expedited shipping? Do you already have a computer that you just want to upgrade?

>>60523653
this is what it looks like when you try too hard, kids

>>60523675
I mean I could just have the CPU and Motherboard laying there while waiting for the AM4 kit, but selling my old parts would be better short term.

I'm getting a 1TB sata SSD for my primary storage.

Is it worth getting a small additional M2 drive just for the OS? Don't want to use HDDs anymore if I can help it.

>>60523790
SSD isn't meant for storage. SSD is for OS and programs/games, HDD is for storage.

What's a good program for determining you real time clock speed of your CPU? for some reason CPU-Z is broke for me

>>60523841
This thread is more for buying parts for making a new computer, or upgrading an existing computer. Not so much software help. You can find a tangentially related thread or /sqt/ if you can't find anything.

>>60523822
I'm just sick of hard drives dying on me. I want to drop them entirely.

I already store all my personal files on a hefty portable drive so the 1TB SSD would only be for programs and games. I just want to know whether I should just format everything for that drive or put the OS on a smaller, separate one.

>>60523896

how many hard drives have you gone through?

>>60523907
3 in the past 2 years.

>>60523879
Well I'm asking because I just upgraded my GPU and RAM, filling all four slots and yesterday it failed to boot after a week of running in its original configuration
Needless to say I went back into the UEFI BIOS (MSI MXGaming5 Z97 mATX MB btw), and placed it on 40% OC config and I'm trying to see if it running correctly or if I have to manually configure this bitch, care to help a fellow /g/entooman?

Is there a consensus on a good cheap pc for overwatch?

>>60523962
Yes, a g4560 + 1050ti will work pretty good

>>60523911
Do you drop them or what? That's still within warranty time.

I have an 2 year old http://www.amazon.in/Gigabyte-GA-H61M-S1-GA-H61M-S1-Motherboard/dp/B00B5QDLTK?tag=googinhydr18418-21
Should I put a 1050ti into that or should I upgrade the whole PC? (Processor is some Intel 2*** )

>>60524004
Second the g4560. for graphics, 1050ti is good, but I would actually be looking more towards a used gtx 960 if you can find one around $100usd equivalent or gtx 950 or even a new Rx460 should suffice if you don't have many other games in mind.

>>60524004
If i was starting from the ground up would there be a kit to get everything I need not including those 2 parts?

Whats a good long lasting mouse wihich only has a left/right/middle scroll button, no leds rgbs, no extra buttons?

>>60524044
>.in
POO

>>60524022
More accurately the first one died maybe 2 and a half years ago. I did a big interstate move shortly after and something must have gone wrong in the move and it got jostled or something. And just recently one of my current ones kicked the bucket.

These are second hand ones I've cannibalized from PCs I've taken off the hands of various people to be fair... but the point remains I want to leave HDDs behind.

So this isn't even relevant to my original question at all anyway, I don't suppose you can answer it? Or has this just been a giant diversion. I'm not asking whether or not to use an HDD.

>>60524054
would this make the game playable on minimum settings or higher?

1050ti($170) or rx470($250)?

>>60524054
Getting an RX 460 for close to the same price as a 1050 ti is retarded.

1050 ti stomps RX 560 completely. Even 1050 is faster than RX 560, but may end up running into VRAM bottlenecks.

>>60524110
Hate to break the news for you, but your SSD is gonna die in 10-15 years too, just like your HDDs did.

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>>60523538
Moving up from a hyper 212 evo sees very diminishing returns.
You'll get a good improvement with a noctua NH-D15, but it'll cost like $90 and high end water cooling will only get you a little more

>>60524270
hyper 212 evo is one of the uglies coolers out there, it's extremely loud, and it's really not cooling well.

Spend some extra for 10C cooler temps, 1/3rd of the noise, and much more aesthetically. Afaik, the difference in longevity of the hardware between 70C and 80C is very big.

>>60523790
Probably not, IMO. The larger drives tend to actually have the best controllers etc and good speed.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qx243F or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4F42Gf? Obviously 1440p stuff

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Anyone got any recommendations for a compact case that support ATX?

I'm namely looking at the Refine C, but I'm up for suggestions.

>>60523538

Buy a liquid cooler if you really want to push your CPU without worrying about temps. You'll pay about $70 more but you'll never ever see 65c.

>>60524300
I dont think many people care about ugly but it is indeed very loud compared to similarly performing and priced coolers like the cryorig h7 or the be quiet! pure rock, but i'm just saying if he's already got the 212 evo he might want to temper his expectations of what he can expect from an upgrade performance wise.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147260

This case seems decent for $27. Rosewill never fucks up *too* badly.

>>60524405

with a 212evo I would hit 90c on stress tests. that cooler is awful if you have a strong chip and plan to stress it.

>>60524149
10-15 years is 2-3X what a heavily used HDD will last.

>>60524130
you can buy a RX480 for under 250, where the fuck are you looking?

>>60524440
Okay man you have a hate boner for the thing. we get it. He already owns one.

>>60524449

and he's looking to upgrade.

he should get a 140mm liquid cooler if he wants great temps, or a 280mm liquid cooler if he never wants to worry about temps ever again.

>>60524470
That's excessive. You have a problem.

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>>60524470
>liquid shit

No.

>>60524445
Only servers, or production work, heavily uses HDDs.
A HDD will last as long as an SSD.

That guy bought used, used, HDDs, and complains about them breaking.

>>60524480

How is it excessive?

>>60524482
liquid cooling is the same as RBG, it's just in right now.
AIOs are shit, only warranted if you don't have the clearance without one.

>>60524513
He bought a 212 evo, his budget is clearly in an entirely other dimension from watercooling.

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>>60524482

>liquid shit

It's the best method of cooling.

>>60524445
Sri Lanka. Import duties and taxes.
rx480 is $350

>>60524526

$100 for a 140mm liquid cooler vs $90 for a DH-15

>>60524557
DH-15 is going to be better.

>>60524557
Are you retarded?
Where in the context of my mentioning that cooler did it seem like i was recommending it to him?
Jesus fucking christ this whole conversation is exhausting.

>>60524531
So I'm planning to get this : https://www.asus.com/in/Graphics-Cards/PH-GTX1050TI-4G/ Any other models?

>>60524578

GO FUCK YOURSELF

the other guy recommended a DH-15, which hits 75c in stress tests vs 50c with a 280mm AIO.

The poster said he doesn't want to have to worry about temps, and heatsinks are fucking terrible for anyone who (actually) stresses their system with an overclock.

You fucking faggots jerking off over heatsinks need to fucking get real. They're only good for chips at stock clocks or for people who don't stress their systems.

>>60524604
50C the first 5 minutes... You need like an hour to heat up the loop.

Also, 280mm is twice as big as a 140mm.

ok, a final question, I have a vga monitor. Do all graphics cards support vga with adapter?

>>60524629

>you need like an hour to heat up the loop

Exactly. Far more molecular surface area to hold more heat. Not to mention far more radiator surface area to dispose of heat too.

>>60524635

You'd have to get an HDMI to VGA adapter for newer high end cards but older ones will have a VGA port. It will work either way.

>>60524647
Which means it's going to take a much longer time to cool down, and those "50c" temps you're talking about aren't real.

>>60524604
>the other guy recommended a DH-15
No other guy, that was me and you just have terrible reading comprehension.
>"You'll get a good improvement with a noctua NH-D15, but it'll cost like $90"
Is not a recommendation, notice the "but" instead of a more neutral or positive conjunction.
ESL?

>>60524661

see

>>60524527

>>60524667

Then what do you recommend for someone with a newer i5 who would like to overclock and stay underneath 70c?

>>60524688
A reality check because that's not consistently achievable even with water cooling without some piss weak overclocking.

>>60524719

Then why can I run Prime95 or Realbench with a solid OC on my i7 and stay under 55c?

>>60524731

To add to that, this is my big issue with /pcbg/. This is a thread for newcomers and the uninformed to ask questions and get impartial advice about PC building, but you guys don't have enough experience to give out good answers.

>>60524731
Delid, short benchmarking or unrealistically low ambient temperatures or some kind of mixture of the 3.
That or just good old fashioned lies. I've seen the claims every now and then but whenever an actually reputable reviewer comes to do some kaby lake overclocking it's a hot mess.
Hell, most delid demonstrations i've seen only bring the temps down to the 60s or 70s.

>>60524777

Now it just sounds like you're trying to call me a liar for the sake of your own argument. Petty.

Bumping
>>60524044

>>60524804
I'm calling you a potential liar because of your lack of verifiable and reliable data.
Which is completely fair.

>>60524823

What is keeping you from updating the whole thing? What sort of games do you play and what sort of monitor?

>>60524832

I've already posted a screenshot here. >>60524527
and I'll be happy to post another one running any other stress testing program.

>>60524731
Because you're only running it for a few minutes.

>>60524859

How long should I run it for?

>>60524838
720p monitor. I play Space engine and rocket league.
If I want to update the whole thing I'll have to wait a bit longer for the $$$.

>>60524866
Run it for 3 hours to be sure.

>>60524853
You'll need to put a lot more work in than that.
Bring up cpuZ to show clocks and voltages, show hard drive temps or an actual measurement to get an idea of ambient temperature, stress for longer than 20 minutes and verify whether your CPU is delidded or not.
That's what it would take for me to at least consider that your data is either entirely made up or legitimate. because at the moment you're simply omitting every variable.

>>60524878

Those games recommend a GTX660. If your PSU can handle a 1050ti then you'll be fine.

>>60524909

Which stress program would you like to me to use?

>>60524922
Aida64 or prime95 will do. and monitor temperatures with coretemp or HWmonitor

>>60518883
Is your current single DIMM dual rank?
If so the benefit will be small to adding another.

If it's single rank, another can improve minimum FPS by as much as 25%.

>>60525429
Having your ram run at twice the speed is going to give you performance gains no matter if it's single rank or double rank.

Why does fucking shopping take so long?

>>60523300
What brands are good fro nvidia gpus. what should I avoid?

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Are WD Blue SSDs reliable?

I'm asking because I'm building a new pc on a budget and I want an SSD for my boot drive and I narrowed it down to two options:
$140 - Samsung 960 EVO 250GB M.2 SSD 8gb/s
$130 - WD Blue SATA 500GB SSD 6gb/s

I thinking about getting the WD because it has more storage space.

>>60525649
Isn't MX300 about same price as the WD Blue?

>>60525479
double rank is nearly effectively 2 DIMMs as it uses both channels, anon.
Even if you didn't know that already, the context of my post should made it clear that that was what I was pointing out.

Going from 1 DR to 2 DR on Intel will maybe be a 5-10% perf increase on the edge cases, not the 25%+ you can get from adding a second SR.
And Intel MC doesn't like 2 DR the same way AMD's does.

>>60525649
What the other Anon said, the MX300 is similar price and very very good. 95-99% as good as the 960 and one of the most reliable SSDs. WD Blue may be reliable but it's slow.

>>60525644
It's more about price points than brands. Cheap cards are loud and hot no matter which manufacturer you pick and expensive ones perform equally no matter which one you get.

>>60525649
You're comparing PCIEe SSD to SATA one. Why? They're intended for different use cases.

how easy is it to fuck up your hardware assembling your first PC? Is it fairly common?

>>60525968
double rank doesn't use both channels, it uses a single channel. The difference is just that it has memory modules on both sides, and therefore performs a bit differently from single rank.

Looking for some B350 board recommendations. Most reviews overall seemed really mixed.

>>60526038
LOL that's not what dual rank is.
Please educate yourself. You could have googled it or some shit instead of wasted people's time spreading misinformation, you dumb faggot.

>>60526143
I have a tomahawk coming in the mail, fingers crossed. From my research they're all really flakey. But supposedly the tomahawk is the best currently, might not last long.

>>60526150
That is what dual rank is, double sided and dual rank is the same thing.

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I currently have a
>Sapphire Vapor-X R9 290 OC
It's a great card, but churns out heat like a furnace even during IDLE.
I heard the new RX580 has similar performance and is much more power efficient (less heat).
Would it be a waste for me to upgrade/sidegrade to it?

>>60526167
I was considering the GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3 but it seems to be perpetually out of stock on newegg.

>>60526218
kill yourself.

This isn't an argument. You have no idea what you're talking about yet you keep repeating the same misinformation.

>>60526267
Yes, it'd be a bit of a waste. Vega will be even better perf/watt. Something like a 2.3-2.8x increase.

It should be at least twice as powerful as the RX580 yet less power usage. Though it depends whether they clock it for performance or a bit more efficiency. But the enterprise card at 1600MHz is 2.3-2.8x higher perf than the polaris enterprise card.

JUST WAIT (tm)

>>60526483
Dual rank is double sided ram, it means that the signal has to run an extra lap to get the information. For some reason this somehow increases the amount of data each trip can provide though, or something like that.

Are you sure you're not thinking of dual channel?

Can someone please recommend a good cooler with am4 support out of the box? I really do not want to wait for a bracket.

>>60526496
>Can keep posting the same misinformation but can't be bothered to google half as many words
kill yourself

/pcbg/ was more fun before AMD shills took it over

:(

>>60526539
No, more like /pcbg/ was better before youre meme spouting ass showed up because ryzen makes you butthurt.

You have been derailing these threads since ryzen released, you are barneyfag tier.

>>60526593

There's no point in having more cores for a gaming/day-to-day computer.

>>60526642
This statement just shows how ignorant you are because it's entirely dependent on how much cores you already have
Sure, if you already have 8 it's pointless, but if you have a 4 cores 4 threads CPU (or worse) then yes, you will see problems that are not faced with 4 cores 8 threads or 6 cores 6+ threads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
The i5s are at their limit in any AAA game, they have 100% load spikes causing stutter, and no room for any other software left. Enjoy having to close everytime you have open before starting a game.
I don't know why you willingy recommend an inferior product, but i can see that you're new in here if you're shocked we recommend Ryzen 5s instead of i5s.

>>60526714
i think he means when it was okay to want to go with one brand or the other. now it's all ryzen or gtfo

>>60526714
>you're new in here

Kek no, this faggot has been in almost every /pcbg/ thread posting the same shit over and over to derail.

>>60526642
Good thing I use my pc for more than gaming/day to day computer stuff.

What's the max safe voltage for a Westmere Xeon? (x5650)

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how many euros do I have to spend on a new gaming pc to be able to handle 4K gaming (overwatch, starcraft II, world of warcraft, GTA 5) even at medium settings ?

>>60526746
well honestly, why the fuck would you buy an i5 lmao. So that's fair to say gtfo out if you buy an i5 don't want retard shills shitting up the place.

>>60526777
>4k
>medium settings
uh why?

>>60526777
You'll have to go for r5 1600 + gtx 1070 levels to get that kind of performance. But 1440p at high settings looks better than 4k at medium.

Planning on getting a new HDD sometime in the near future. What brand(s) does /g/ recommend?

>>60526806
>But 1440p at high settings looks better than 4k at medium.

Anon that's not true at all and you know it. 4k on a 4k screen is going to look much better on medium than 1440p on high in almost every game.

thoughts?
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/corsair-vs450-cp9020009uk-450-watts/236875

>>60526495
Noted. Thanks, anon.
Do you have any advice in the meantime?
I don't really play games anymore these days, so solid guides on how to undervolt (and under clock) are welcomed

>>60526845
Toshiba, Western Digital, Hitachi
People disagree on Seagate: some recommend and some do not

>>60526968
for a 1050ti

>>60523790
Buy expensive high quality HDD's then.
Just check western digital's or toshiba's
or seasonic's premium hdd's and pick
whichever fits your needs. They'll come
with long warranties and also will not break
in such a short time.

Next AGESA when?

>>60526974
Should I get a HD or SSD? I don't think I will ever cross the 500gb mark of usage

I'm not really experienced in liquid coolers. Can someone give me a rundown? Is there anything I should be aware of when selecting a case if I'm sticking a liquid cooler in it?

My stepbrother used to work in computer retail and I've occasionally used him as a second opinion to whatever I learn for myself online and he warns me against them. Tells me he often used to get people coming in suffering leakages that ruined their cpu.

>>60527000
When mobo manufacturers make new BIOS for it
It's already in their hand, asus did a beta bios for the crosshair VI hero

what happens if I don't buy a case. And let my PC be "open air".

>>60527039
dust happens

>>60527039
>open air
>falling for the oxygen meme
>not submerging your entire rig into liquid nitrogen for crisp, cool computing

>>60527001
A 500GB SSD would be around $160, if you don't mind paying for that then sure. But will the games you use even benefit from it?

>>60526854
I saw that this is indeed the case for myself, but Can't explain it

>>60527048
So I'll just use a hairdryer to clean that up.

>>60527104
You clearly don't know how to deal with dust.
And hairdryier won't do the job.

I need a PC for watching movies, using chrome with tons of tabs and I want premium&solid parts.
I don't need a GPU.

My budget is <$2500

pcpartpicker.com/list/gXsBtJ (I'm not serious about this list)

I'm sure this has already been discussed to death, but why would I buy a 1500x when it has lower benchmarks than a comparably priced i5-7500?

>>60526777
>>60526806
Even On Overwatch, if you want to play maxed, a 1070 isn't going to do 120+ fps at 4k. It barely sustains over 145 minimum at 1080p maxed.
And GTAV? That dips down under 30fps on a 1080ti, let alone a 1070, at 4k.

Wait for Vega if you want 4K without having to drop settings below "very high" much and often being able to play maxed.

>>60526854
>Anon that's not true at all and you know it.
Depends on the game. Sometimes it's true. Sometimes it's not.

>>60527114
>not just putting your caseless PC next to 7 air purifiers running at all times

shiggy diggy

>>60527175
>PC next to 7 air purifiers running at all times
Mid tower case? More like a dust tower.

>>60527145
Has to do with CPU usage, 4 threads is not enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjgLMASZJlg
Because the 1500x has more threads, it has more room to work with. The 7500 has more chance of bottlenecking your GPU because of this.

>>60527145
What benchmarks are you looking at? All the ones I've seen show a 4GHz overclocked 1500X far better than the i5-7500 on the minimums, and still a bit better on the averages while having more CPU utilization left over for background tasks.
It's often even better than the 7600k at 5GHz when it comes to minimums, just like the locked i7-7700 is.

>>60527145
>overclocking
>good stock cooler
>hyperthreading
>performance is limited by your graphics card anyways
1500x is a meme though, if you can afford it then you should be able to afford 1600 as well.

>>60527014
TL;DR version:
>AIO's perform similarly to good air coolers but are twice as expensive
>custom loops are great but extremely expensive, you can easily sink one grand in building one
>leaks are very uncommon but possible
>air cooling is much more reliable since it only has fans that can break down and those tend to be pretty reliable (and cheap to replace as well)

>Is there anything I should be aware of when selecting a case if I'm sticking a liquid cooler in it?
If you are going for AIO then you need a place for mounting the radiator. Custom loop builds need space for pump and reservoir as well.

>>60527208
>What benchmarks are you looking at?
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1500X/3648vs3921

I know I'm not going to be overclocking, but even looking at the higher end of the user benchmarks for 1500x, it doesn't look like many people are able to get much faster with than the average performance of the i5.

>>60527207
I'm watching your video now, but I don't think that an i5 will bottleneck a rx 580.

>>60527266
>cpubenchmark.shill
Are you actually this dumb?
That site really needs to be filtered on /g/, or the entire internet for that matter.

>I'm watching your video now, but I don't think that an i5 will bottleneck a rx 580.
It will result in worse minimums in stuttering in a lot of cases, especially newer games.

>>60527339
>shill
>Are you actually this dumb?

not an argument

>>60527266
>I'm watching your video now, but I don't think that an i5 will bottleneck a rx 580.
They both perform similarly but the 1500x has less chances of bottlenecking because it has lower overall usage thanks to it's 8 threads.

>>60527364
go waste your money on an i5, please. Bye.

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How meme'd am I?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJ8sr7

Good goy case/glasses, the expensive IPS panel, and the HDD will be in the second set of purchases.
Overkill PSU, optical drive & OS are hold-overs from my current rig.
Everything old/not purchased yet might be subject to change.

Well?

>>60523300

best PC for any normal person

all the same vendor for free shipping

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JvqN4C

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>>60527514

>>60527499
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJ8sr7
Looks fine, but I think you're going to regret spending so much money then having HDR10 4K 120hz panels coming out in a few months.

I also don't get why you're only getting a 250GB SSD, why you're getting an optical drive, etc.
I also don't get why you're mismatching a 1080p and 1440p monitor.

>>60527514
Get 2 sticks of DDR 2440. You're heavily gimping your already limited performance with one 2133, especially if you're using the iGPU.

>>60527497
You sound like a child, regardless of whether or not you actually know what you are talking about. I think you need to grow up, and maybe learn to express your thoughts a little better.

>>60527266
>cpubenchmark
That's like linking gpuboss or gamedebate, completely worthless info

>>60527553

the ram is the cheapest on that vendor,

the iGPU is fast enough to stream 1440p without dropping frames

>>60527514
>case with a psu

Do you want a literal house fire? 'Cause that's how you get a literal house fire. Get a quality PSU. You don't need those 480 W, get something with lower power but better efficiency.

Also, make sure that h110 mobo has the latest bios, otherwise g4560 won't work.

>>60527548
Any word on the new panel prices?

250 because I'm spending all my money on peripheral bullshit and have made do just fine with HDDs up until now.
Optical drive because I have it, it's useful, and it's necessary for the w7 skylake install.
Mismatch to get native 1080p streams, fuck around with 3d bullshit, and have a more shadow-detail/glare-resistant option. Also lets me delay the IPS lottery until it's convenient, and otherwise I've never been impressed by multiple-display systems. Will probably turn off the one I'm not using.

>>60527661
>it's necessary for the w7 skylake install.

lmao no

>>60527676
...does windows 7 not lack native USB drivers?

>>60527626

i have that same mobo with a 4600, it updates via wifi

>>60527568
An adult would be able to look at that site and tell that it's fake.
There is nothing cited, it's just arbitrary numbers. That you can't see that makes you the child who lacks any critical thinking skills.

>>60527661
$1k-$8k.

>>60527800
Well, it's not too much more expensive than the ROG IPS I guess.
Except it'll need a second 1080ti to run smoothly, so nevermind too expensive atm.

>>60527700
Every motherboard manufacturer ( and also Intel, I think? And Microsoft? ) has a tool for creating a win7 USB installer on their website.

So late last year I got a 6700k and an awesome motherboard. Now that Ryzen has debuted I'm suffering from a lot of buyer's remorse. I'd like to shift my 6700k into an ITX case to use as a media/living room PC and build something using Ryzen as my workstation/gaming PC.

Media
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yJftyf

Workstation
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4JMKQV

I'm going to get a working computer today. I was curious if anyone has any recommendations? I'm also kind of a poorfag I plan on spending like $300-450 and then next paycheque purchase better parts. I just want to scroll 4chan with a computer and play older games like left 4 dead. Any kind anon willing to help?

Why does tomshardware also recommend the i5-7500 over the 1500x? Are they also shills?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html
>Even with a healthy overclock, the 1500X can’t unseat the i5-7500 in our game suite. Tuning the 1500X offers close to the same performance at a $10 savings, but budgeting in a beefier heatsink and 3200 MT/s-capable memory blurs the value proposition.

>>60527626

logisis PSUs are fine, the draw is barely 25% of it

and the next "better" rated PSUs are the 30-40 dollar EVGA's

then you gotta get a case which is atleast another 20, thats 50 dollars more that's not necessary

the build is showing how cheap it is to have a daily driver for barely $250

>>60527925
Just read the comments, already gives you the answer

>>60527868
>liquid cooler
You planning to do a lot of overclocking?

>>60527932
I just read the top 15 or so comments and I just see a bunch of angry AMD fanboys and not a single argument to be found. Can you spoonfeed me a quote if you think there's a good answer in there somewhere?

>>60527947

Yep. I like to get it on a solid OC out of the box.

>>60527960
Don't bother to argue with AMD shills

>>60527926
>logisis PSUs are fine

If you say so. Well, it's a great time to build a low end PC, you get so much power for merely 250$.

>>60527923
Go here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJ8sr7
Scavenge any compatible components you can from what you're using now, and try to Edge into the higher tiers of mobo+cpu. Do NOT skimp on the PSU or you'll fry everything & burn your house down. You CAN skimp on RAM but make sure it's ddr4 & the mobo supports it. Also skimp on the HDD for now. Next paycheck you can dump it all into a nice GPU & be sitting pretty.

>>60528016
Fucking hell forgot to copy the new one
http://www.logicalincrements.com/

i5 7600k or i7 7700k for graphic design work?

>>60528045
Neither, get R7 1700.

>>60527823
Vega is targeting 4K 60fps.
Should do older games or lower settings at 120.

>>60527960
If the whole i3-7100 vs g4560 thing isn't self explanatory to you, and you disregard those comments as "angry AMD fanboys", you are obviously just baiting and not actually that stupid.

>>60528045
7700k or 1700.

I thought Z170 chipset had some bios issue with kabylake cpus, partpicker couldn't find any here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZcPd6
Btw don't dwell on the actual parts for now, I'm trying out some stuff to score a 200$ rebate

>>60528104
Oh I'm probably retarded
I thought K in 6700K stood for kabylake... It is a skylake cpu, right?

>>60528124
> I thought K in 6700K stood for kabylake
UnlocKed.

>>60523300
>current i3 530 CPU has 2c/4t
I'm excited about the ryzen 1600 CPU desu.

So what would be better with gaming being my main focus, Ryzen 7 1700 or the i7 7700k?

>>60528205
With a 1080ti

Good noiseless mouse?

This is close to what i want to build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vqgCPs

Im going to get a gtx 1070 for a good price from a friend.

But i have a few questions. Would i have compatibility issues if i use a nividia graphics card with AMD?
I heard that you should use intel with nividia.

Does the motherboard MSI
B350 TOMAHAWK have a built in wifi card? Ethernet isnt really well setup in my house and i really dont want to use a wifi dongle

>>60528205
7700k of course

>>60528205
>>60528213
depends on how you look at it. the i7 7700k will have higher max framerates but the Ryzen 7 1700 will have higher minimum framerates, less stuttering, and more headroom to run other programs in the background.

That said, if gaming is your main focus, the CPU to go to is the Ryzen 5 1600, which blows the i7 away when not gaming and matches it while gaming for much lower prices.

Are MSI GPUs any good? I'm thinking about getting Msi Rx 580 Gaming X 4/8Gb.

>>60528262
Nvidia is fine with AMD don't worry.
I don't think that motherboard has wifi built in, but just get a PCI/PCI-E wifi card, it'll have better signal like that anyway.

>>60528279
Thanks senpai, frame rate doesn't bother me much as long as its stable. Although when it comes down to it I don't think ill being too much background processing except the usual stuff such as discord, internet and qbittorrent

I've got 3 120mm intake fans in the front of my case running off of a controller (Thermaltake RIING RGBs). I'd refer to plug them into the motherboard. Is this what I need?

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/35671/cablemod-4-pin-fan-to-3x-4-pin-fan-y-cable-black-10cm

>>60528342
>Although when it comes down to it I don't think ill being too much background processing except the usual stuff such as discord, internet and qbittorrent
Yea. Sounds like the Ryzen 5 1600 is perfect for you then.

Any cheap, backlit, non meme silent keyboards?

>>60528298
Pretty much the best if you can afford it (although I only know for their nvidia cards, not the AMD ones, but it should be the same)

>>60528347
yes

>>60528359
Thanks.

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Microcenter is offering $100 off ryzen 1700x when you buy a motherboard at the same time. I guess this makes it a better deal than the 1700. What makes the 1700x better than the 1700?

>>60528487
It can achieve higher clocks, is higher clocked stock and has slightly higher single core boost (XFR)

>>60528499
I thought pretty much all ryzen chips could get 3.9-4.1Ghz overclock before hitting a wall, no?

it saddens me that normies dont frequent this thread

instead its just autistic /v/ fags

>>60528487
Wont you have to buy a cooler for the x models? Not sure if it's worth it if you don't need the extra speed.

>>60528507
The R7 1700 hits a wall sooner, around 3.9. Some reviewers had tone detailed OC tests on it and for the R7 1700 they could achive 3.75GHz with 1.23v. For 3.8GHz, it required 1.35v. In comparison, the 1800x is 100% sure to achieve 4GHz on stock voltage.

>>60528537
The only X model that comes with a cooler is the 1500X. The 1600X, 1700X, and 1800X all don't dome with coolers.

Is this a good build? https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/FsgXsY/entry-level-gaming-build

>>60528460
thanks

Any issues I'm likely to encounter controlling the LEDs via 4-pin PWM, if 12V (needed voltage) is reaching the fans?

Is adding molex power a good idea?

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/ekwb-ekcable-splitter-1to4-pwm-fan-splitter-ab90572

>>60528339
Sorry about all the questions this is my first time building a pc. Does the wifi card plug directly in the motherboard or is it like a dongle

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I just want something compact for video editing / capture card.

Software:
>Audacity
>OBS Studio
>Adobe Premiere

It doesn't need to be a high-performing machine since my budget's only $400 for hardware, but I'd appreciate any advice since I'm a retard who has never built a PC before.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vPgN4C

>>60528602
motherboard if it's PCI/PCIe - they're the type of slots you see in the bottom portion of a motherboard

>>60528602
It plugs into a PCI slot on the motherboard. There's either an antenna out the back of the expansion slot or a small wire to a separate antenna.

>>60528652
Well first of all you don't have a motherboard, secondly you have a GPU that uses DDR3 RAM and you have DDR4, lastly you'd be better off buying an internal hard drive because you could get 2tb instead of 1tb for that same price.

>>60528575
a good budget build, yes

>>60528587
nvm ignore my first post there fans won't work by themselves only with the controller it seems that they use some weird smart plug it's not the standard 4 pin plug

>>60528699
CPU*

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>>60528699
Fixed, thanks m8

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HrqXqk

Sup lads, one quick question

I'm about to get a 7700K with the Prime Z270-A motherboard, BUT, I can't get a new GPU until 6 months from now.

Can/should I use my radeon 5770 until then? Will it fit?

>>60528762
Your case is too small for the motherboard, you need a micro atx case.

>>60528762
m(ini)ITX and m(icro)ATX are not the same

>>60528762

>buying an AMD fm2 CPU in 2017

is this a joke?

the fucking GPU on skylakes on PENTIUMS w/ HT blow away the APU gpus and the cpu side is a joke to compare

>>60528778
>>60528798
Yeah, just swapped it out.

So for $400 is this as good as it gets for compact space and parts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fwmKQV

Final build. Everything has been bought except the graphics card. Side note, why the fuck are 580s so expensive right now? Isn't it supposed to be a 200 dollar card?

Anyway, I bought the kraken cause it looks cool. Same thing with the RAM. Last time I bought a computer was when Sandy bridge came out(2500k master race) and it's time to get a new one. How much better is this one going to be compared to 2500k, 670, HDD, and 8 gb of RAM?

Suggestions about graphics cards appreciated; might stick the 670 and wait for a good deal on a 580.

>>60528814
Honestly I don't know, I wouldn't buy that CPU for video work in 2017, but at that budget you probably can't get that much better. I'd suggest trying to save and get something for $200 more, it would be much better.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wy8sr7

Let's upset you with my i5 a little

>>60528769

Since I got 0 (You)'s, this would be the build until Sept/Oct: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WRnF9W

Should this work until I add a 1060 in Sept/Oct?

>>60528720
my motherboard has one of those RGB 4-pin headers, is that what you mean it uses?

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>>60528820
>Isn't it supposed to be a 200 dollar card?
The 4GB versions are, but not the 8GB
Also that AIO is way too expensive for the temperature benefit it offers, pic related. You'd be better off getting a cheaper AIO / High end air cooler and getting a GTX 1070 instead.
That is a pretty low wattage for such an expensive build, try to at least get 500w. If you have that much money to throw away, i have no idea why you decide to cheap out on the most important part of the build.

>>60528847
This is without any doubt a baiting build

>>60528847
You should throw in another Cooler Master just to be sure.

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>>60528896
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sjqXqk
Is what i'd do instead. You get to have 2 more cores for more room, and you get a GPU right now instead of in 4 / 5 months, and an equivalent / slightly better one than the GTX 1060.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gm7gyf

anything off with this? already bought the 1700.

>>60528958
Expensive mobo that won't benefit you (need the PCIe lanes? SLI / Xfire?)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gHnF9W

Should i swap anything here? build is mainly going to be used for graphic design (Photoshop, illustrator etc.).

>>60528950
I can't pick the processor

>>60528987
Why that?

>>60528909
That's the wrong PSU; I got the sea sonic modular one (520 W). I'll change it.

It's my first time over clocking. Back when I bought the 2500k I was in high school and didn't know what I was doing; never even over clocked it lol, ran it stock till this day even though I bought everything to overclock.

I would buy a 1070 but honestly I don't really play games anymore. I mostly compile code or design projects. I'm not going to build or upgrade until this thing kicks the curb or becomes obsolete; hopefully 5+ years. The only games I play are runescape and league of legends; sometimes witcher iii 1080p at medium settings.

Hey I'm about to put together a mATX gaming build on pcpartpicker to post here, any tips before I start looking for the best value?

>budget is $700, flexible up or down
>no overclocking
>want to max out settings on most games at 1080p for the next few years at least

>>60528977
it seemed to be the cheapest AM4 board with decent power management/vrms, and that doesn't look like gamer shit. will look at others though.

>>60528652
>>60528762
>>60528814
Buying FM2 CPUs are not worth it. You're buying a dead platform that is already weak with no upgrade path. Spend a little bit more get ryzen 5, you'll be glad you did in the long run.

>>60528991
Friend of a friend of a friend hit a full shipment of parts and I'm getting the 7700K for 150 euros (it costs 450 here)

I got a new R5 1600 PC (great CPU with excellent value, memes are true) and installed everything but Adobe jew shit.
My college offers everything i need but Adobe programms. Does anyone know a non botnet KMS tool or something similar for Adobe Acrobat Pro/DC?
My old Adobe CS5.5 with the crack died together with my WD drive and i kinda don't want to send a HDD with shitload of pirated stuff to WD for data recovery.

Also, i plan on Vega + 1440p 144Hz near end of 2017 but heared that Vega is DOA because of Volta and Vega 2 rumors.. do i flip a coin now?

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>>60529033
I do have a crack named adobe.snr.patch-painter that i use to crack Animate / Premiere Pro / After Effect / Photoshop / Audition, but now if it's a safe one that doesn't have any shit in it i have no idea. I've been using it for a year and a half though and it allows me to use the latest of the latest versions, do you want it?

>Also, i plan on Vega + 1440p 144Hz near end of 2017 but heared that Vega is DOA because of Volta and Vega 2 rumors.. do i flip a coin now?
If you're gonna flip a coin do it once Computex ends, because Vega talk will be in there in 8 days.

>>60526517
You're retarded, you think that dual rank means dual channel. They're different things.

Why is AMD so far behind these days? Pascal series has been out for like what, 1 year now? And AMD still have no response for the 1070, 1080 or 1080Ti. What's going on?

>>60529079
Thanks, after your post and some quick google i found AMT and UAP, the later seems to be recommended for Wincucks like me since the former seems to be discontinued.
I only have one question, is it required to install everything to default folders or does UAP allow me to install programms somewhere else and then run UAP? I don't really want all that Adobe bloat and shit on my new SSD.
Anyways, thanks for the quick answer and regarding Vega, of course i'll wait after Computex but i guess the question will remain even after Computex, Vega, Volta or Vega 2.0.
My guess is that Vega 2.0 will give zero to none useful information, as usual for AMD, and it will be Vega vs. Volta.

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>>60529173
not in their interest financially at this point in time to have a bleeding edge gpu in their product mix

as much as computer nerds love to think they're the apex of consumption of their hobby, AMD is making money off of other things as a priority

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>>60529183
UAP is just gonna replace one file (amdtlib.dll or something named like that), where the programs are installed is irellevant. I got my programs in D:\Programs\Adobe, and it works fine.
You should not that it's not up to date with newer versions (or at least the one i possess) but it's still fine because at the bottom of the list there's an option to patch the amtlib file from any adobe program and it works fine even with the newest versions of said adobe programs.

>>60529173
>Why is AMD so far behind these days? Pascal series has been out for like what, 1 year now? And AMD still have no response for the 1070, 1080 or 1080Ti. What's going on?
Same reason why for 5 - 6 years they had no worthwhile CPU, coming back from being so much behind is not something that can be done easily. I mean they have fuck all budget compared to Intel & Nvidia but also have to split it both for CPU & GPU, Ryzen took an enormous amount of time to develop and also a lot of money, becoming competitive again on both GPU & CPU is hard but most importantly slow to achieve. Also, they need to compete in the server market first and foremost, which is where the money lies.

>>60529285
What do they consider more important? Because gaming video cards made up about 50% of NVIDIA's entire revenue for their last report and NVIDIA have been posting record financials for a while now.

>>60529326
Great, thanks again. The guy who wrote that is doing gods work, Adobe just needs to die in a fire.

>>60529348
who cares what your competitors are doing (unless there's systematic risk in the market) if you're meeting your own goals

but to answer your questions; new gen consoles is likely their priority currently

>>60529348
AMD also might be trying to reduce its reliance of debt. I'm not sure what type of CAPM/financing they applied with Ryzen dev and release, but I suspect some loans were sought. But I've not looked at their financials for about 3 years so that's off the cuff speculation.

>>60529140
You're the retard that doesn't know what dual rank is. It does not mean it has dies on each side of the DIMM, fucktard.

>>60529473
That is what it means.

It does not mean it's dual channel, it means it has dies on both sides. It functions roughly the same as if you had two stick in the same channel.
It does NOT gain you 25% performance, maybe 5%, or thereabouts. Single Channel vs Dual Channel on Ryzen could maybe be 25% on ryzen, but single rank vs double rank is absolutely not 25%.

>>60529017 here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhZPd6
Did I fuck up anywhere? Will this run games at 1080p on high settings for the present and near future?

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>>60529547
>Will this run games at 1080p on high settings for the present and near future?
Of course it will, this GPU maxes most games at well over 60FPS. Few exceptions for a few ones that have very retarded settings enabled by default

>>60529547
Get 2x4gb ram unless you're planning to get a 2nd 8gb stick at some point. You're gonna want 2 sticks for dual channel. Other then that it looks okay. I'd suggest getting a small SSD if you can spare an extra $60, it really makes a noticeable difference in general desktop responsiveness.

>>60529603
Oh yeah and your see is atx, not matx. You could get a smaller one.

>>60529629
Your case*

>>60529582
Is it overkill then, or just the right amount of futureproofing? Do you think I can get a cheaper CPU/GPU if I'm only interested in 1080p, probably no more than 60hz? Also, I'm probably getting the 4GB, unless a good argument can be made for spending significantly more on the 8GB.

>>60529603
>>60529629
>>60529633
I'll change it to 2x4gb, probably not gonna need more than 8gb in this computers lifespan, and if I do, new ram is cheap. I'll consider a 240gb ssd but i honestly just don't feel that faster boot times and faster responsiveness for commonly used programs is worth $60. Size isn't important for this build, and the case is already cheap as it is. I could switch the case for a smaller one if it would be cheaper, but I figured the extra room might be nice for cable management.

>DX11 ASIC

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>I just want a silent keyboard with backlight
>everything is gaymer edgy shit with rainbow colors
>"pay up 100$+ goy, lmao"

>>60529708
If you've never used an SSD before I'd think you'd be impressed with the increased responsiveness, once you go SSD you don't go back. As for the 580, it's good, 4gb is enough for now but a few years down the line the 8gb might be worth it.

For the case, you have a modular power supply, cables should be no problem in an matx case.

>>60523300
OK, just to make this absolutely clear

If I get the 1600 I do NOT need to buy an aftermarket cooler, correct? Even if I OC it?

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Thoughts?

Will be used for 4K gaymen.

>tfw building PC
>run out of standoff screws somehow
>mobo is not secured at 3 different standoff points
Who else here lives on the edge

>>60529893
I read that watercooling kits sucks,but i dont know if is true

>>60529893
>200 dollar keyboard
For what purpose

>>60529893
Don't like your choice of 7700K there.
7700K pushes more maximum frames, but has stutters from long frame times, ones that aren't at all, or much less noticeable, on ryzen.

>>60529893
Get an aftermarket 1080ti instead of the founders edition, you'll get better cooling. Don't waste your money on super expensive ones though, all 1080tis can overclock to about the same level, you're not going to get anything for buying the super factory overclocked one for $100 more than the regular ones.

>>60529930
Fuck I'm retarded haha, misread motherboard as keyboard

>>60529877
It can handle very slight OCs but that's about it. I wouldn't recommend it at all for OC.

>>60529958
Huh? It's supposed to get pretty high easily even with the stock cooler. That's the reason why it's such a good value

>>60529982
did you actually try it for yourself?

>>60529916
I read reviews on a ton of the watercooling kits they all seem hit or miss if you get a dud or not. They never existed when I did my last build.

>>60529932
Most 4K comparisons did show higher FPS on the 7700K, not sure if the 1800X is worth the extra loot if there's any actual differences we could notice in real world situations.

>>60529938
Something like https://www.pccasegear.com/products/38252/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-aorus-xtreme-edition-11gb ? My last build when 6800s where the greatest so a bit out of the loop. Used to all cool relativity the same but guess a lot let power as well.

>>60529943
I actually have a $200 DAS keyboard, thought you where fucking psychic m8 kek.

>>60529992
No. I have it though. I sure fucking hope it gets to 3.8 easily.
That's what all the reviews said, all even the OP
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC
Implying it's the best if you OC, with the stock cooler.

>>60523300
any eu posters in this general ?

>>60530000
Yeah something like that or the MSI G1 gaming. Looking at that site the prices are all wacky. I guess that's Australian prices or something. At those prices maybe it is better to get the founders, but keep in mind you'll probably have to run the fans high to get the same level of cooling that you'd get out of a open air cooler.

>>60530024
That's not what the OP is implying at all, 1600x if you don't want to OC is because the 1600 has lower clocks, so you'd need to go the trouble of overclocking in order to reach 1600x clocks and it's not something a lot of people want to do.

>>60530000
You're only gonna have 60hz on 4k, any frames above 60 are wasted frames.
With 144hz on a 1440p monitor, maybe ryzen wouldn't be able to provide enough fps. You still want to be below 144 fps for gsync to work, though.

>>60530069
I'm not seeing anyone having ANY troubles in hitting at least 3.7Ghz though.

>>60530085
>>60530000
Oh, and 1600/1600X is enough, I don't think 8c/16t are gonna be needed, but I guess 1700/1800x would be futurerpoofing a little.

Is the thermal paste on the 1600 shit? Should I scrap off the thermal paste on it and buy an aftermarket thermal paste?

>>60530000
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/38942/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-duke-oc-11gb/
That's probably the best deal on aftermarket 1080tis from that site.

>>60530161
r5 1600 is soldered.

>>60530205
He didn't say TIM, he said thermal paste, and is probably talking about the wraith cooler

>>60530205
wut.

>>60530175
Apparently that one only has 3 heat pipes so the cooling isn't that great. The Gaming X would be noticeably better cooling.

>>60530214
Oh....

>>60530218
No, it's fine, getting special thermal paste was really just a thing like 10 years ago, when most stock stuff was complete garbage, and everything ran super hot.

>>60530161
I used it until the AM4 bracket for my cooler arrived and it was fine.
If you're going to be doing overclocking i'me sure you could do better with aftermarket thermal paste though, it's not very expensive and it's helpful to have some around the house anyway.

What's the latest adblock fork? uBlock origin doesn't work for youtube and other popular sites anymore.

Are the RX 580 8gb and the GTX 1060 6gb fairly interchangeable? Most sites show that one performs better with some games, and vice versa, but otherwise the difference in frame rates is not significant.

>>60529538
that's not what it means.

KILL
YOUR
FUCKING
SELF.

You've been told this 5 times now yet still won't google it. I'm not going to spoon the ignorance out of your head for you, you have to go look it up, dumb faggot.

>>60528653
So something like this? Can i use it on my amd motherboard?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007GMPZ0A/ref=mh_s9_acsd_top_bwfnj_c_x_1_w/146-3653574-4483523?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=mobile-hybrid-3&pf_rd_r=KQ4CKZ6NH98N5ZYT4QY4&pf_rd_t=30901&pf_rd_p=3bd3d87f-8804-5f53-8839-0fcb1ef7b8aa&pf_rd_i=13983711


Why are some wifi cards over 100$? Should i get a more expensive one or is a cheaper one fine? I have windows 7 and my internet is 60 up/down

>>60530384
Yeah. It mostly comes down to your Sync monitor choices, and if you're scarred of AMD drivers or not.
The geforce consume much less power though.

>>60530045
Australian so yeah prices $$$

>>60530111
Future proofing, i7 920 and crossfire 6800s lasted me from release until now so don't mind spending to get the best time out of it.

>>60530175
>>60530225
Will start looking at these with best cooling options tomorrow then. They have liquid cooled one but at $1,400 starting to get up there.

Thanks everyone.

>>60530422
I hear that the rx580 might be more futureproof since it's better with directx12, how big an issue is that?

>>60530454
Water cooling is really not worth it. A decent 2 or 3 fan air cooler with a big heatsink is all you need.

>>60530396
You google it, because you have no idea what double rank / single rank is.

Why don't you tell us what you think double rank is? And why you think it'd boost performance by 25%?

Is there a limit to how much RAM video games can use or is more always better? I'm going to be getting 16GB no matter what because it's mainly a workstation rig, I'm just wondering.

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>>60523300
Which version of GTX 1050ti should I buy?

>>60530566
Software is going to use as much RAM as it needs. How much that is depends on the game. Beyond that additional RAM isn't going to have any boost to performance. If you're using 7.9GB of RAM it makes no difference between having 8GB and 16GB for performance, but once you go above your RAM and you start using a page file, then the performance is going to go down.

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Current plan is to get good components with room to do some decent overclocking with watercooling in the future, but using stock coolers for the moment.
Plan is obviously 1440p/144hz gaming.

Other than the wasted 30€ on RGB Ram Sticks, what could i do better/change?
I just don't know enough about motherboards to pick an adequate one for my needs, that rog hero seems a bit overkill


I also found a deal for i5-6700k+asus motherboard for 100€ off, is it worth it over AMD?

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>>60530464
Yes, the 580 is better for DX12 titles... by 2% at best, outside of Vulkan games but that could change in the future because Nvidia's drivers react so much quicker to new stuff like that if Vulkan api gets more popular. (AMD is the opposite, older games slowly takes the performance adventage overtime, but any old games runs perfectly on both cards..)

Also the 1060 is still cheaper in some countries while consuming much less power and overclock much more than the 580.

I would say 1060 is the best everytime, if it wasn't for the Gsync shit. If you're set on your monitor already and it has no sync tech and you're not planning to change it should be a no brainer.
And that's keeping in mind that ever if Gsync is overpriced compared to Freesync, it is still technically way superior. I just don't think it's worth it.

>>60530629
You are going to play video games and browse the internet. You are not a "content creator" or a media producer. You are not a programmer or a [flavor] dev. Get a Pentium.

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>>60530631
>better for DX12 titles by 2% at best
Stop spreading lies.

>>60530708
>2% faster at 1080p
Yep

>>60530703
As far as I understand games are headind in the direction of better optimizing for multiple cores, i have no intention in finding myself bottlenecked in a few years beacuse my CPU can't handle it.

>>60530747
You autist, it's an average for both DX12 & DX11 games. Your claim was that it was 2% faster in DX12.

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>>60530703
>getting a pentium for a 1080ti build

>>60530754
A fool is easily parted with his money.

>>60530772
Sorry, bad wording, I mean for all games which is important. Technically the GTX still should have all the features to handle DX12 though so I wouldn't count on these data so much if you take drivers into account though.

>>60530807
>Buying a 1080ti

>>60530821
Oh ok. Sorry for being maen then.

>>60530814
I might be a fool, that's why I'm here. I feel like since Battlefield 1 the opinion has been that developers have started to better optimzie for multithreading, so i thought that a 1600 might be good. If it's not i'll happily change

>>60530562
At this point I'm pretty sure you're trolling. Nice bait.

Does getting an AMD motherboard with a B350 chipset mean I don't need to get a GPU? Does AMD chipsets work like Intel's?

>>60530872
They usually don't have integrated graphics.

>>60530856
He's obviously trolling, suggesting a pentium for a 144hz build. Don't listen to him.

>>60530856
That guy is an idiot. Games use many cores now, unless your built is super budget you should be getting something with at least 4 cores. Pentiums are only for super budget builds. You're not getting 144Hz with a pentium.

>>60530872
No, Ryzen 5 & 7 CPUs do not have integrated graphics.

>>60530878
>>60530894
Thanks buddies i imagined but you never know and i'm open for any opinions and suggestions

Thoughts on this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dXbrsJ

>>60530927
Seems good but i'm not sure about the PSU, seem's like it could be a bit overkill. Since you're on a tight budget you could step down to a 500W and save a bit

>>60530927
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tPLLD
Fixed it for you.
You're not overclocking, since the Pentium isn't unlock and the B250 boards don't support it, so I removed the cooler.
I cheapened the PSU to something decent but much cheaper.
And finally, I added an SSD boot drive. And it's still around the same price.

>>60530969
People have said that I did step down to a 520 bronze

>>60531015
Ty I already ordered the cooler and will just give it to my brother will the ssd help? First build here

>>60530927
Revised. Ask questions if you don't understand reasons behind change.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bc2fcc

>>60531043
It'll help boot times a lot and can help in gaming as well.

>>60531055
Wi'll this be ok if I've already ordered the board gpu and the case?

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>>60530861
Are you retarded? Do you want me to explain how it works?

See this? Those grey boxes are dies.
With single rank memory you have only one row of dies on each dimm. When you have one dimm in each slot for a channel, the memory controller will alternate, or run through both dimms (honestly not really sure).

If you have a double rank memory, you'll have basically have 2 dimms in a single dimm. So it'll function as if you have 2x single rank memory, one in each slot in the same channel.

Dual channel is a completely different thing. You gain a bit of performance by having double rank dimms, or 2x single rank dimms in the same channel, but it's far from 25%. In some tasks you'll lose performance.

When you have dual channel you can give the CPU twice as much data as if you had only single channel, you could see them as having 2 funnels instead of having 1 funnel.

>>60531090
I changed out your GPU because the cpu you chose bottlenecks the 1060. An RX570 still gets bottlenecked but it's not as bad and it's much cheaper. Seeing as you already bought the 1060 there's not much you can do now. Did you already buy the CPU too?

>>60531110
LMAO
He spends the time to draw a shitty picture but he can't google what dual rank means.

Alright, you got me me. I was baited. I'm not going to get baited anymore.

>>60531154
I didn't buy the 1060 yet but I did buy the gpu

>>60531188
Ok, you're a "troll", I hope everyone reports you for shitposting outside of /b/.

Go back to /reddit/ with you child.

>>60531205
The GPU is the 1060. The Intel Pentium processor is a CPU.

>>60531154
Cpu my bad yes

pcpartpicker says my build will be 260w

Is a 600w power supply overkill?

>>60531205
>I didn't buy the 1060 yet but I did buy the gpu

>>60531205
>I didn't buy the 1060 yet but I did buy the gpu
I dont think one of the words in that sentence means what you think it means.

>>60531236
Yea yea yea first time doing this I'm learning lol>>60531243
>>60531243

>>60531232
Yes.

>>60531252
Alright if all you have purchased right now is:
Intel g5460
Motherboard
Rice case
(Double check with your eye balls that this is correct)
You can purchase the RAM+PSU+GPU on my list to save money.

>>60531271
What would you suggest?

>>60531188
Ok real quick I have bought the motherboard on my original build the cpu the cooler (giving to brother since I apparenrly dont need it) and the case lol clearing it up

>>60531232
Yes but it depends on your upgrade plans.
with 260w i assume you either have a very low end rig or somehting with a placeholder low end GPU so it's unlikely you'll be upgrading it to use 600w
You'll probably only need 600w if you were planning on upgrading to the top of the line vega and CPU overclocking

>>60531293
>pcpartpicker says my build will be 260w

>>60531290
Thank you very much

>>60531299
Keep the CPU cooler, I own a g4560 and the cooler you chose will actually help. No point in explaining it because you're clearly new and don't grasp the principles but the stock cooler sucks and for $25 you get better temps.

>>60531349
Ok and yes very dumb

>>60531293
400-450, or there abouts. 450 watts would allow for an upgrade.

>>60531313
>low end rig

Not really

>Ryzen 5 1600
>1060
>8gb ram

>>60531359
>Ryzen5
>1060
>260w

Either you're reading something wrong or today's tech is VERY energy efficient.

>>60531387
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftYtyf

>>60531359
Oh yeah i forgot the new ryzens have i3 power consumption, lol.
Yeah it's up to your discretion.
with 600watts you can comfortably throw in any single graphics card except maybe some insane dual GPU behemoth and still be comfortably within your PSU's efficiency curve but you could go all the way up to 1080 with a 500watt and still have some room for OC so it's really up to you.
As long as you're not getting some stupid shit and average 600watt isn't disastrously more expensive than an average 500watt so you shouldn't be too worried about waste

>>60531319
So I'm guessing when I want to upgrade ill need a new cpu because its bottnecking the good gpu's? Learning?

>>60531434
Yeah pcpartpicker fucked up. 1060 needs way more power than that. I just pulled off the nvidia website
>Minimum System Power Requirement
400 W
That's for the card alone not taking into account the CPU. So your 600w PSU choice is actually spot on.

>>60528903
yes

>>60531472
reread that. That's for the entire system, not just the card.

>>60531472
The minimum power requirements on Nvidias site is for total system power draw. The 1060 consumes no where near 400w by itself.

>>60531472
Vendor recommended PSU wattage is always worst case scenario.
It's basically useless numbers, you can run a 1080 system on a 350watt PSU if you're hard core enough.

>>60531472
That's their recommendation for a full system. Full system is supposedly going to be 261 watts, but it'll have watt spikes, and so you need some headroom on the PSU.