Daily reminder that Microsoft has won the design game with F

I love the concepts, but they won't implement it consistently across the whole system. And then there's a fuckton of third-party programs and some of them will forever look like they belong in 1995 and MS can't shit about it.

>>60429033
>And then there's a fuckton of third-party programs and some of them will forever look like they belong in 1995
That's why they replace Win32 applications with UWP.

The problem is getting third-party Windows developers to adopt it.

>>60429216
As a linux user what is a third party developer?

>>60429253
It's a developer not directly involved with the team that maintains your distro.

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>>60427234
POO IN THE LOO

>>60427234
>has won the design game of retarded designers

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just looks like macos

>>60427234
Short-lived fad... like the desktop cubes & wobbly windows Linux had 5 years ago

>>60429253
Imagine it this way: Your mom and dad are happy together. Suddenly a black men enters the room and works on your mom. He is the third party developer. What >>60429216 tried to say is, that it is kinda hard to find a black men that wants to work on your mom.

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>>60429658
Apple is still leading the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbJy0O4UFSM

1. it looks like utter shit, cold and soulless
2. I would rather it would look like win95 if they focus on fixing the million bugs and compatibility issues

>>60429658
>depth
y tho

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>nobody will ever surpass Aero
>retarded designers will keep chasing the minimalism trend until every program is white on white with white accents and white text

>>60430470
i like minimalism because i dont like my applications trying to pretend to be made of chrome and plastic and be all shiny.

i fucking hated how aero tried to look like my computer was made of metal and glass.

>OS X Snow Leopard
>macOS Sierra
>Windows 7

These are the only good looking and functional operating systems. Please don't mention Linux. They will never be able to have decent looking fonts even, never mind the rest.

>>60430470
Classic grey style is GOAT. Fuck M$ for removing it.

>>60430515
>i fucking hated how aero tried to look like my computer was made of metal and glass.
that's what your computer is made of you tard
>>60430573
>too young to use XP

>>60430573
>OS X Snow Leopard
>macOS Sierra
Look it up, looks like pure cancer.

>>60427234
This reminds me of Luna

>Windows 10
>1/3 the software uses this
>1/3 the software is Metro
>1/3 the software looks like it has since Windows XP
End result: ugly as sin clusterfuck OS

>>60430592
>that's what your computer is made of you tard
nothing displayed on the monitor is real tard
do you really think the glass windows in aero are really bits of glass floating in your computer? is your taskbar really a physical bar built into your monitor?

>>60430662
im praying they find a way to force it onto all applications that dont have a custom window border.

might look like shit at first but once developers notice their shit is being defaulted to this theyll start working with it instead of against it.

>>60430592

XP is functional, but not as good looking as the others I listed. An OS needs to be both, its something you use all the time so it needs to be nice to look at.

>>60430592
>XP
>good
95 is the best Windows.

>>60430580
THIS
H
I
S

to me this seems very pretentious

>>60430573
>Please don't mention Linux. They will never be able to have decent looking fonts even, never mind the rest.
>knows you can customize linux to look literally any way you want
>tries to cover it up with FAKE NEWS

dont you have a country to run?
some russians to meet?

>>60430662
Stop using obsolete software.

>>60430732

>you can pick from 600 disgusting fonts

Why did you shoehorn some /pol/ spergery here? We're talking about operating systems, don't you know how fragile /g/ thread attention spans and topic adherence are?

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>>60427234
Looks like Apple/Gnome shit
Windows making itself even less relevant.

>>60429033
>third-party programs and some of them will forever look like they belong in 1995
Back when white people wrote software instead of indians and homosexual designers?

Good, at least some software will remain usable.

>>60429481
dyk that less than 5% of Indian engineer grads can implement a basic program correctly? We should import more of these "genius" H1B foreigners.

>>60429833
Damn, I miss Mac OS9.

>>60429658
M$'s material design

>>60430515
>I like minimalism because I'm autistic and don't like nice things
>Paintings are stupid because they try to make canvas look like something else

>>60429658
Why does it have to be such an ugly grey

>>60430573
I don't know where people fimd horrible font rendering on Linux, I've never seen this.

>>60430784
>he doesnt know you can install new fonts

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>>60430470
They are literally chasing the 90's, but with less readable fonts and layouts meant for tablets and 8k displays.

>>60431056
>implying
paintings have no functional purpose. My computer does.

If anything, minimalist designs support artwork used for my wallpaper by being less distracting. less visual noise.

A cool, rainy forest shot doesnt mix well with industrial metal and glass UI, but it certainly does fine with minimalism since minimalism does nothing to distract from the focus.

You can have nice things without trying to cram visual clutter into every aspect of your GUI. i dont need or want fake glass reflections or metal shading on my GUI. my GUI should not be the focus of anything. It should be tucked away and out of mind until i need it so that the focus is on the subject, rather than the GUI. That's what minimalism is for.

>>60429762
Kek. Can someone copy this into the urban dictionary?

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>>60427234
so, are these bullshots, or is this how holographic will look?

will you be able to use the holographic interface on a 2d screen?

>>60430613

>look it up

Do you think I just named random shit I've never seen before or something you dumb cunt? I clearly know what those two operating systems look like, I don't need to look anything up.

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>>60429762
So I guess you could say Linux is an [spoiler]open relationship[/spoiler]

>>60429658
its ok on a tablet but it lacks data density on a desktop.

>>60430841
>Back when white people wrote software instead of indians and homosexual designers?

I want the /pol/ cancer to leave.

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>>60431620
>A cool, rainy forest shot doesnt mix well with industrial metal and glass UI

no taste detected

>>60429833
>that song

they were alll about the homo market since the beginning

>>60430573
one thing gnu/linux has is the best font rendering of all the OS's that's not arguable

>>60427234
People talking about "design" are artfags who know nothing about technology, trying to tell us how to use technology.

>>60431965

You picked Linux's well known biggest complaint and tried to tout it as its strongest point, are you mentally retarded?

>a bunch of words that dont mean anything and an ui that already looks like shit
and it will still be fragmented

>>60432175
nobody ever complains about that, idiot

the biggest complaint is no gaymen. the second biggest is adobe, the third is file picker is shit

stop trying to get your autism in this thread, it won't work

>tfw Aero never ever
What a shitty timeline

>>60431550

Plan9 was 10/10 but we need something 15/10, something where everything is made of graphics primitives (where everything can effectively at any time be dumped to postscript / svg).

This would ultimately solve the multiple screens with different DPI problem. The only issue would then be games which want pixels, but I guess we can just let GLs solve that somehow.

Rio was nice though, but I think that we need something better than rio.

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>>60431859
I want Redditor spics to leave, which will happen once you get deported since Mexico barely has DSL.

We use white-man operating systems here.

>>60427234
This gonna use a ton shit ass of graphic memory to run it.
also why do we need it? its not like W10 werent just a skin over w7/XP system

>>60430470
>like the flat design of 95/98
>XP comes along with fancy colours
>didn't like it
>Vista
>everything is round and glossy
>looks like shit
>7
>looks better because it's less round and glossy
>8 and beyond
>flat and beautiful

Full circle, friend.

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>>60432175
I don't get where this bullshit comes from. I've never used OSX so I can't compare it to that but windows (XP through to 10, and I use a 7 machine at work every day) absolutely fails at font rendering on every conceivable level.

First off: clear type is nonsense, sure things look better but no matter what you pick, things are still blurry, you can't force proper hinting which means that vertical parts of outline fonts sometimes spread across two pixels and look grey. When I ask for black fonts I want black fonts, and at a certain size they have no excuse occupying 1.5 pixels worth of space.

The configuration you get is immense, if you're a font snob you get to decide exactly which font to fall back on for kanji and exactly when to switch from bitmap kanji to anti-aliased, lcdfiltered, rgb subpixel hinted fonts.

One thing I notice is people who complain about linux fonts have lcddefault lcdfilter and have their fontconfig truetype interpreter set to version 40, you want classic version 35 for best results. Export FT2_SUBPIXEL_HINTING=0 for that. (Arch provides an alternative method, edit /etc/profile.d/freetype2.sh and set FREETYPE_PROPERTIES to truetype:interpreter-version=35. And use the lcdlegacy lcd filter. (Oh, and make sure you actually enable all this shit...)

You will get stunning results which blow the windows clear type shit out of the water (image related).

>>60429077

You see, here's the thing... they can't replace Win32 without pissing off their business partners. They're stuck with it until the sun burns out.

>>60432593
That's what Windows S is about.

Win32 will be relegated to Windows Enterprise only, and then not even that. The death of the desktop OS in favor of their tablet phone OS is their endgoal.

>>60432175
What are you talking about? GNU/Linux font rendering beats Windows on every single system. Even W10 still looks like shit. They've had like, what, 30 fucking years now as a company, and they still can't master font-rendering? What's up with that? Hello, GNU/Linux is open-source, just copy whatever they're doing to get font rendering because it's better than your shit, Microsoft

>>60432201
>third is file picker is shit
Redhat will never EVER get their GTK devs to fix this. It's like they took over Gnome and GTK just to ensure that it never improves.

>>60432577
>letters deformed by hinting
>shit keming ("R eply t o Thre ad")
>color fringing (most apparent on the captcha)
3/10, would prefer not to look at for 8 hours a day

it's not hard to get better font rendering on linux than on windows because the latter is exceptionally shit at it. both are way inferior to macos though.

>>60432718
> Complains about non-existent deformation.
> Complains about insignificant kerning issue on bold fonts which I'm too lazy to fix by disabling full hinting on bold fonts since they don't need it.
> Complains about google's retarded choice of font size causing issues at low DPI.

Still infinitely better than windows clear shite which means it can't possibly be "the biggest complaint" unless everyone complaining is a complete mong.

I did say I had no idea how OSX compares, so feel free to show me and enlighten me as to how OSX looks at 96 DPI (yes 96 DPI).

>>60429033
>And then there's a fuckton of third-party programs and some of them will forever look like they belong in 1995 and MS can't shit about it.
Not a problem when they only allow approved 3rd party UWP applications through the MS store :^)

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>>60427234
>this shit
>good

lel

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>>60432563
>8, 8.1, 10
>So beautiful they lose marketshare to Windows 7

Give it up pajeet, nobody like the UI you made in powerpoint

>>60433084
>strawmanning in attempt to win argument

Petty.

>>60433131
>not knowing what straw manning means

POOO

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>>60433008
>Complains about non-existent deformation.
you have full hinting enabled, of course it's deformed
>Complains about google's retarded choice of font size causing issues at low DPI.
works on my machine (arch)

>>60432701
terrorism

>>60427234
Too bad they have been last on user-friendly UX/UI design since win8.

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>>60430000
You say that as if windows95 aesthetic is a bad thing

1985: We have a GUI too!
1990: Let's make the GUI usable
1995: Let's make everything user-friendly
2001: Let's make everything cartoony
2003: let's make everything a e r o with over-the-top effects (alpha)
2006: aero 1.0 (beta)
2009: aero 2.0 (final)
2012: let's make every PC into tablets, and since they are flat let's make the GUI like that too
2015: fuck it all and let's make everything into a slightly working botnet (eternal beta)

What about Windows scaling guys?

I have a 4k monitor and Windows feels like a beta due to how many bugs there are with scaling. I can't help but wonder if anyone at MS themselves uses 4k, because if they do, why don't they fix this shit?

This is supposed to be the leading OS. When a macbook does 4k better you know something is weird.

>>60433547
>This is supposed to be the leading OS.
lol

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< peak UI aesthetics right here
modern day operating systems are the degenerate niggerfaggot children of this

>>60433317
Me likey.

>>60427234
Can't wait to see how they apply this to about a third of Windows and leave the rest in any of several older design styles.

>>60429077

In the buissness world Microsoft is the go to because they have always been and must always be reverse compatible.

Look at the shit fit when they something like old OS's wont support some of the features of this old chip.

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>>60427234
reminds of compiz qube gimmicks from 2008

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>>60433823
Can't argue with that.

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>>60433961
Did IRIX end up using openstep as well?

Looks bang-on.

>>60430470
dumb frogposter

>>60433547
>implying design has anything to do with it

I am very much aware of what a straw man argument is.

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>>60431741

I honestly prefer unity 8

>>60434148
Whoa, nice tablet friend.

>>60427234
I'm tired of these meme design "systems". Just make a normal good looking UI without all the memes

>>60430580
what???
windows 10 didnt have classic option??

>>60432577
That looks like shit

>>60429658
>macos without Fisher Price icons
yessss

>>60431741
that is so ugly

>>60431741
That looks amazing

>>60434395
STFU luddite

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>shit new redesign
>ransomware
Windows is DEAD
This is the year of Linux on the desktop

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>>60433823
>>60433961
>>60433986

>>60433187
That looks blurry and ugly.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

When was the last time a M$ concept ever got off the ground anyway.

>>60434374
You have no taste in fonts.

>>60434382
doesn't look anything like macos, tard

>>60427234
Dissapointed /g/ hasn't done a WannaCry UI that follows the Fluent Design System (TM)

>>60432563
>95, 98
>flat design

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>>60433823

Its the halftone shading IMO, it fits the role of a texture without being shitty windows xp gold edition tier.
I bet this kind of shading would be top comf on an e-ink screen.

>>60431861
css ?

>>60429722
>wobbly windows
I liked those. :(

>>60427234
It's flat design... with colored borders! Wow

>>60429658
this picture is fucking hilarious. "brooklyn doggy care", "le-kindel" and "ramiro" (equal opportunity), (progressive/hip)

subject is "photo sheet" (exact blind spot of microsoft/target audience)

whole thing is modern and minimalist, ""urban"" (want to grab lunch later at the new ""spot"")?

fucking kek

""""""modern"""""" art and clean lines. microsoft does "hip" Lololol

Conner Le'kindell is such a well spoken black man. let's not forget the business/entrepreneur angle

brooklyn doggy care is just the icing on the cake. the most yuppy shit I've ever seen

>>60432324
>where everything can effectively at any time be dumped to postscript
like nextstep and mac os?

>>60432678
Well normies don't need/use desktops anymore and Windows S does solve one major problem with security, preventing retards from installing malware.

Not saying I like this, just explaining.

>>60434078
it's still shit pajeet

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>>60429833
Wrong pic.

>computer constantly runnjng your graphics card with a 3d engine just to run your desktop

This is a terrible idea

>>60438370
Chances are you're already running a desktop with GPU compositing already.

>>60432678

Windows S doesn't run Steam. There are over 125 million Steam users, most of which are running Windows. Microsoft cannot provide only Enterprise users with Win32. Steam users are not going to switch to the Windows Store. They'll pirate Enterprise if they have to.

>>60430841
>>60432387

go away fake dianna

>>60435044
Waterfox with Classic Theme Restorer and Simple White X; AppchanX with a default theme

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>>60431741

bullshot

this is ms remember

>he guys we are gonna do animated wallpapers!!!

>>60439902
Google tried "live wallpapers" too, and desktop is a much more appropriate place to have them (because battery life doesn't matter)

>>60439485
MUH GAYMIN

>>60439485
>They'll pirate Enterprise if they have to
I do that think you understand the technical incompetence of 90% of steam users.

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>>60433896
W W W WOBBBBBBB B B BLEEE E E

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>>60433065
This is a case of Garbage In:Garbage Out.

>>60427234
It actually looks damn good. It's got depth to indicate targeted or emphasized elements but doesn't overstate it, and it uses colors and borders well without becoming an oversaturated clusterfuck.

>>60429033
unlike today, in 1995 UIs were utilitarian

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oh cool yet ANOTHER shitty counter-intuitive CPU & GPU hogging ugly shit javascriptshit GUI paradigm thing to further soil the fetid chamber-pot of competing appearances in windows

maybe windows will eventually reach the point where every single program has unique idioms and appearance, zero consistency

>>60439902
You could do animated wallpapers on the older versions (sp1 and base iirc) of xp. You just had to do some weird registry edit or something. It used a shit ton of ram and cpu which is why it was completely removed though.

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>>60441582
you can't even tell widget types apart. what is a button, what is a label, what is a link? why is everything a vague, silhouette icon? what is that shit on the left? that's not going to be a consistent thing in many programs. what does plus mean? why is it always present in tabletshit where is my file->save as? what is the point of this shit when it just makes everything less usable?

>>60441804
Are you talking about: >>60429658 ?
Clicking the hamburger extends the menu with the names of the items. It looks pretty similar to the Windows default mail program right now, actually, just with a few more options and more subdued coloring.

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>>60441865
oh cool a hamburger menu woohoooooooo

>>60429658
Looks like the retarded offspring of macos and kde.

>>60429658
The problem with these images, is they seem more like early mockups than final design. But I guess they make great shit posting material.

>>60441613
you can do a UI that's both pretty and functional in 2017. too bad most of UI designers are retarded

>>60440259
Besides ootb installation, games are what drives Microsoft's dominance on the desktop.
Ruby's argument is that killing support for the greatest gaming platform will kill that market drive.
He is not saying that he himself will do what he descibes. You can make arguments from other people's perspectives too.