ITT: Shit GNU/Linux needs to truly replace windows & OSX

Gtk

>>60411486
GNOME 3.24 scales for HiDPI without problems.

microsoft office
visual studio

I don't use Linux, do they have an exe equivalent? I remember using Lubuntu 4-5 years ago and having to download some type of file and then having to install it through the terminal because I couldn't just double click it.

>>60411604
Executable installers are an abomination.

>>60411565
LibreOfffice is good enough

VS is bloated garbage and there are already many alternatives.

Remove "everything must open spurce ree" mentality

>>60411625
Your average person doesn't seem to think so. This isn't about what you want, it's about what the mainstream wants.

>>60411604
>do they have an exe equivalent
chmod u+x / source

OH YOU MEANT THE INSTALLSHIELD WIZARD DO YOU WANT TO INSTALL OUR TOOLBAR KEK

effort

linux hasn't replaced commercial OSes because nobody fucking sells linux. Nobody puts it on commercially available computers. Nobody fucking cares.

also

>gaming

>>60411625
They are totally unnecessary on Linux too. We already have appimage and Flatpack which are utterly superior to .exe shit.

If it wasn't for games, I would've switched fully years ago.

>>60411671
As terrible as Steam is, SteamOS is pushing Linux gaming into the mainstream pretty hard, there are tons of Linux compatible games on Steam now.

>>60411486
>solus and mint
solus and mint have nothing to do with desktop environments opinion discarded

>>60411671
It's good thing that gaymers are staying away from Linux.

>>60411629
visual studio is the only way to write c# until rider leaves beta

libreoffice doesn't have onenote for starters

>>60411757
http://alternativeto.net/software/microsoft-onenote/

>>60411486
More Autodesk software and games. It also needs to come preinstalled on more machines.

> Good HiDPI scaling

Windows10 HiDPI scaling sucks.

For mainstream to catch up with it, it needs to become some sort of trend, like "that hacker software that those really clever guys use"

Stable APIs for desktop apps and games, not just GTK/SDL and pray it works on all systems

>>60411486
printer and (especially) scanner support is still shit

a lot of the software available is "too neckbeard" and the learning curve will scare off normies. the trend to put all the important bits into libraries will help this though - someone wanting normie-friendly shit can take the library for whatever they're doing and wrap it in a new ui

doesn't help that the two main ui toolkits are cancer though

>>60411486
>Good HiDPI scaling
windows dpi scaling is god awful, so not much competition there on the microsoft front

also you forgot

>better game support

anyone who games probably needs windows still

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>>60411486
>GNU/Linux

>>60411604
If you downloand a program.deb file, you can use GDebi to install it and it's pretty much an install wizard like in windows, but just one click away

GIMP, Krita, Darktable, RawTherapee, Inkscape, Lightworks, Blender, Audacity, ocenaudio, Ardour, LMMS, Scribus

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Someone big like Sony or Samsung has to make an OS. You can hurr durr about how there are too many distros all you want but people wont make the switch unless it's from a big company. The other big thing is games/office/graphics software. It also needs to work without the user even knowing what a console is. Once you get those three things normies might make the switch.

>>60411604
Appimages work similar to apps in osx, you download the archive, extract the appimage to the place you want to have it, and can then run it by doubleclicking:

http://appimage.org/

>>60411486
I'll take the b8 and reply honestly: Linux is not looking to replace Windows, they're not rivals

>>60414232
I've been using Avidemux in appimage form and it's quite good

>>60411565

WPS Office
Libre Office
Abi Word
Open Office

>>60414245
The reason why Linux exists is that Linus wanted to have an OS that replaces Windows on the desktop. So yes Windows and Linux are rivals and yes, Linux is a desktop OS.

>>60414287
Non of these support references or a good deal of features that academics use.

If you don't have Linux machines in education institutions you'll never win people over. This is why Microsoft practically gives away their cancer to any school/college/university

>>60414334
what Linus wants is irrelevant, he's not in charge of the distros; offering a FOSS alternative is the goal, the way things work now (like security updates, etc) wouldn't be able to hold more users, it's good as it is now

>>60414245
I'm not sure that's true. I imagine Red Hat would like to completely replace Windows Server. Regardless the better OS will inevitably take the crown willingly or not.

the thing is, as a collaborative project between multiple people who do it in their spare time, Linux will always be a fragmented mess that half-works. It's in nobody's interest to go around making it work more easily or fixing bugs because they're used to just getting on anyway. While Microsoft or Apple have a vested interest in making their products just werk, the Linux community adopts the attitude of "if you make it more user friendly then you're ruining it/pandering to casuals" etc. This means that it's never going to have the same reliability and ubiquity that windows and macOS do.

That said, it obviously works much better in certain applications, such as servers and on small devices, and maybe if the community spent less time worrying about which distro is best for anime ricing and more time working on actual usage scenarios then it'd be taken more seriously as a competitor.

The "open source reeee" side of things is never going to go away but being tied to linux holds the whole tihng back, painting the system (in the eyes of the general consumer) as a alternative for neckbeards rather than an equal competitor.

>>60414375
>Non of these support references or a good deal of features that academics use.
Bibtex is the standard tool for that, with LaTeX.

Inb4 law students don't use that. Non-STEM shouldn't even be in academia, make that shit vocational training.

>>60414550
>"if you make it more user friendly then you're ruining it/pandering to casuals"
that's not accurate, usually friendly means adding a bloated UI, so in general the community just wants a simple approach

in 2017, Linux already "just werks", though

>>60411722
SteamOS WAS pushing Linux gaming. Valve's ADD kicked in, they don't give a shit about it anymore.

How long did it take before the Vive was even usable on SteamOS?

>>60414612
not necessarily, you could just make things less of a pain to learn/install. for example, first time i installed linux mint, which is already a very user friendly distro, it took another windows pc to be able to download drivers for my wired ethernet to get it to work, so that i could connect to the internet to then download better drivers for my graphics card/sound etc.

Windows comes pre-installed with drivers that work for almost all hardware and the user is rarely even aware they're being installed. I'm not saying Linux should have the same lack of transparency, of course, but simple user-friendly things like including automatic driver installation in the distro would make a lot more people stick with it for longer.

These days i still have it on a separate boot partition but rarely find a need for it, since there's almost no programs linux has that aren't equal or better on windows. I gave it a good shot but I honestly don't see the point unless you're running a server.
>inb4 someone informs me that i should have installed gentoo
>inb4 i'm told i'm too much of a casual for not sticking with it for months and forcing myself to use it
that attitude is exactly why linux is still a >2% market share. probably less than that if we're only counting desktops.

>>60414375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llBnzrWpa84

And that's just one of multiple fancier ways than the builtin one.

>>60411667
>NEET Level Gaming

FTFY

>>60411504
>GNOME 3.24 scales for HiDPI without problems.
No, it doesn't.

It scales but one obvious problem is that it doesn't do it on a per screen basis. Please prove me wrong if you know a way to do this.

I have a 24" 1080p 27" 1440p 27" 1080p setup.

or put another way, 92 pixels per inch, 110 pixels per inch and 82 pixels per inch.

Scaling doesn't work very well when you pretend it's one giant screen at 6400x1440.

>>60414620
>Valve doesnt give a shit anymore

Recently Version 2.0 was released

They are just developing it further before Marketing it again.

>>60414790
>Wayland doesnt have this Problem

>>60414749
> that attitude is exactly why linux is still a >2% market share. probably less than that if we're only counting desktops.
Wat. The ONLY possibility is that you are just counting desktops.

It's definitely more for personal computers (as in including smartphones), servers, embedded in appliances, ... in most of these Linux is one of the biggest or THE biggest thing.

>>60411486
Something to replace that pile of shit Xorg.

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A single file package system, no one for each distribution. I blame GNU faggots

>>60414749
I respect your decision, Linux is not for everyone. Debian installation is not trivial, but in the guide it clearly says "if you are going to use wi-fi, add these non-free drivers to the USB", so is the user at fault for not reading that? maybe, but that's why it's for different people.

>>60411486
Not be fragmented into a bunch of different distros that all have different desktop environments, package handeling, and so on
Consistency. All of a sudden gnome changes from one thing to a completely different beast.
Constant new kernels and other shit. Tons of crapware.
It's a mess.

>>60411486
>Shit GNU/Linux needs to truly replace windows & OSX
I don't know, none of the shit listed in this thread has stopped me from replacing Windows on my machines. Everything just works now and it's a pleasure to use my computers again.

>>60414912
is that stan lee

>>60411504
>>60414790
At even when ignoring multi screen issues it still only supports integer scaling factors what makes it basically unusable for typical 4k Desktop monitors

>>60414828
Wayland does support it in theory but there is not a single DE or Window manager that properly handles multi monitor dpi, even with wayland.

>>60414334
Linux is a kernel, nothing bad there... But Stallman and his autistic squad ruined everything

>>60411486
>>60415057
GPL was a mistake.

>>60414973
No it isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoxZemsu7QI

>>60411730
budgie and cinnamon
happy?

>>60411757
rider is already usable.
visual studio code is also pretty good
plus you shouldn't write c# anyway, use f#

>>60414375
are you fucking kidding me?
calls himself academic and doesn't use latex, what a joke

Linux doesn't need anything, I like it just as it is.
I've got all the software I need,
I've got more high quality games than I could ever play
and all this for free and I have my freedom

>>60415118
anon...

>>60411655
well your average person actually moved towards "appstores", asshat

>>60414851
>including smartphones
I think the guy you were answering to was talking about gnu/linux and not just the kernel

>>60414749
From 95 to 10, I always had to install drivers on Windows. And often update them manually.

OTOH on Linux, I often installed nothing, kernel covered it. At most an easy to install extra "kernel-firmware" package for distros that don't ship it.
Last time I had to install a driver for a wired NIC was over ten years ago or so, and I did use Linux on like 15 computers meanwhile (not all mine, some just needed a backup to a NAS and such).

>>60413862
It needs this and some kind of market force pushing developers to use it (valve disincentivising non-adopters with crappier contracts, making their games less visible on steam or whatever, most likely)
It also needs convenience features, and I'm sorry but executable installers are definitely a part of that. It's fine to have them for mouthbreathers, just don't use them if you aren't a normieuser.

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As long as nobody's making money building software for it, it's dead in the water.

And since the whole idea about using linux is about free software, it's never gonna work. Maybe in a communist society or hippie left-wing commune.

>>60411486
Well I'd need a good music library manager, like MusicBee, which would support the following:
>Managing ~50000 songs and more with ease
>Easy creation of playlists, automatic playlists and playlist folders
>Auto-DJ
>Constant monitoring of music library folders
>Last.fm integration (scrobbling and favourites)
>Ability to define custom tags
>Esthetic UI
>Ability to have multiple tabs open
>Ability to set different styles for various views
>Reading .cue files
and, one feature that's not present in MusicBee, but would be very useful
>Splitting .flac files with a .cue file
I tried various music players, and I wasn't satisfied by any of them. At this point I literally turn on my Windows machine to play music while shitposting on my Linux Thinkpad

>>60411486
>solus and mint do this very well but most suck shit
the only reason I use ubuntu is for Unity's god-tier HiDPI scaling

I don't know shit about computers, but when I had Ubuntu installed and I would download an app from the store, like half of them would even open. Needs to be some quality control.

>>60411604
Yeah, that's one of the worst things about linux

>download program
>it has no executable
>google how to install
>oh lol you just need to create a new directory for it and create a shortcut here's how to do it in a terminal
>copy paste into terminal, edit where the file goes to/points to which I hope is correct and hope it works and doesn't fuck anything up

Linux still hasn't figured out how to make installing and organizing programs easy. Even microshit does it better than linux

>>60415613
And I offer a different view plus the correction that he MUST have thought about desktop usage.

If he gets to point out that GNU/Linux has a 2% desktop market share, then I get to point out that desktop Windows has a near 0% market share with the most used (by human time spent on them) + owned (by numbers of devices in active use) personal computers, whereas Linux definitely owns that close to 90%, without even employing monopoly tricks.

And it also sucks on servers. Just about none of the big websites runs on Windows, all the supercomputers do, and for "internal" servers and it's also getting massively worse with the big data / big processing "cloud' infrastructure frameworks making their way into many smaller companies. The thing that works for that is that (GNU/)Linux.


Simply put, Windows is the thing that lost its market share because it is actually quite shit overall. QED.

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>>60416049
>GNU/Linux
You mean Systemd/Linux right?

>>60414805
By recently you mean almost a year ago, right? Updating the drivers in your repo doesn't count.

>>60416218
I probably meant Systemd/Xorg/Zsh/Connman/Vim+Nano/Clang/Portage+Paludis/Linux.

In my defense, I only indulged the other anon that referred to it as gnu/linux.

>>60416028
>how to install linux:
>I've downloaded a .tar.gz and ran sudo sh install.sh.

Read this sentence linfags

This is more complicated than what 99% of mac and winbros want to deal with

find the time to uncuck your operating system literally whenever, it's only been 30 fucking years

>>60411666
yes

>>60411504
Not being able to see individual pixels is fucking disgusting.

>>60414782
>not cellphone gaming

FTFY

>>60416296
Windows:
> Find program's download page with search engine.
> Find out where website owner was hiding the link to a download. You may have to essentially repeat this step if you get redirected off-site
> Download
> Launch installer
> Click next a few or a lot of times, reading and avoiding any license that will destroy your privacy and / or any checkboxes and dialogs that will install crappy adware and bundled software of various sorts
> At the last next, figure out if you are already launching the program or if you need to launch it from where you just installed the program... or where it MAY have placed shortcuts (desktop, start menu, ...) or not.
> Even when launched, there are programs that sit in quick bar first, don't even open windows. Check task manager if nothing shows up. Maybe it's still loading? Maybe it's not?

Meanwhile on Linux:
> su (Typically enter admin password for privilege escalation to sysadmin. Might also whatever mechanism you have set up - two factor authentication with smart card or usb stick or whatever also works.)
> packagemanger install softwarename
> try softwarename to launch, if binary -as happens very rarely- isn't called like the packagename is, you just ask packagemanager to tell you what the binary was called or read the output from just before

Done five minutes earlier and then updates are easier again.

To be fair, I'm doing almost the same on Windows now with Chocolatey, but it's a pretty shitty slow package manager in comparison. Still four minutes faster on every software install and ten minutes faster on updates, eh.

>>60416448
If the program isn't on the package manager? Or if the package has a weird name?
>find program's wiki with the search engine
>find the package name
>etc

What about these things:

- support for 10k high res 240hz
- support for adobe suite
- fast gui, no laggy dragging interface or stuttering frames
- support for microsoft office suite
- support for maya, sony vegas
- support for all games and emulators such as epsxe
- support for easily modifying settings from gui in just a few clicks instead of dicking around in the terminal and looking up guides for almost every single software you use
- support for not needing to know programming or other stupid computer terms. im not interested in programming.
- when using no gui, directories and file structure using cmd line only is a mess, you basically need to have a good mental map in your mind otherwise you're screwed
- good drivers, video, sound everything
- ability to function perfectly OFFLINE. it needs to be simple to download older software. when all there is, is a stupid repo then all older versions are lost
- it needs to be easy to crack stuff. im not paying 1k for adobe software nigga
- ACCEPTABLE DEFAULTS. It needs to be tweaked to perfection before I get my hands on it. When I do a fresh install, I DONT want to spend 3 days editing config files.

There, that's all they need to do and it will be perfect :D

>>60416448
not in repo
search for repo with search engine
read forums
copy paste repo to terminal
add repo
copy aste apt get
something wrong

>>60411629
>LibreOfffice is good enough

It's really not, if you're a home user, maybe but my nigga, world's businesses runs on office. You wouldn't believe the type of shit people do with excel and how well that thing handles it when LibreOffice just crashes. Excel will handle a file with, say, 50 000 rows quite easily. Same file will literally rape LO, shit won't even open.

>>60416296
nah I'd rather have 1% market share than dumbing everything down for the average retard

>>60416524
and this is why lniux will never go anywher on desktpop

>>60416539
good, let's keep it that way

>>60416448

Honestly, installing software is no big deal. Once its installed youre done. It's not hard to find download links, unless you're a retard. With Linux, older software is lost forever unless you know how to compile crap and it's just wasting time. It makes me feel like I have to sign up or register my email and go through confirmation crap. Extra steps just to do a simple task that is annoying as hell. And honestly, it is pleasant visiting a site and download the software from them. I've never liked repos.

>>60416524
>make Things smarter
>better
>better usability
>less time wasted, hence more effective
>get shit done
>dumbing Down

>>60416574

Also with Linux, you need to update all the time, otherwise you cant download new software. If you update then sometimes it breaks or changes other software. This is why Linux sucks.

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>>60416524

You don't know what dumbing down is. Dumbing down means destroying effectiveness in favor of simplicity. If something is simple and a effective its not dumbed down you elitist cactus.

>>60416524
>nah I'd rather have 1% market share than dumbing everything down for the average retard

The point of technology is to drive the growth of productivity. Complexity for complexity's sake is a cargo cult.

>>60416448
> If the program isn't on the package manager?
Then you are generally in the Windows situation where you need to download a package off some web server, by proxy of a search engine result.

The good thing is it happens far more rarely.

> Or if the package has a weird name?
Even if that somehow happens, most package managers can search rather extensive metadata associated with packages.

Or search your favourite bing yahoo thing if you must.

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>>60416654
>elitist cactus

oi kekeroni

>>60416676
>driver
>drivers
>edit this file, edit that file
>compile
>gotta compile a New kernel, that should do the trick
>every desktop environement looks like half assed thirld world poop

>>60416654
>./configure
>make
>make install
that's not simple enough for people?

>>60416737
did you check for dependencies first?
kek

>>60416522
> Not in repo
> Alternative repo dead or unmaintained too
Are we discussing some shitty obscure software?

Even then, how is this any different from Windows
> original website down, version offline
> try to find out installer filename on search engine
> try to find source for file on search engine
> get a hundred spambot generated shit websites that only have viruses and spyware with the "right" filename
> ignore these because file size doesn't match
> find download on some file sharing site
> re-attempt "free" download for half an hour with the site always claiming it's too busy and you REALLY should register a pro account
> it downloads, but it has a virus injected in the installer - discard
> repeat with second site, finally get working download
> extract and run, it wasn't featuring an installer at all after all, just a self-extracting zip exe thing
> Beep, needs Windows 95. Move it to VM to run. But then it finally works
Wow, you got obscure piece of Windows software now. So much easier?!

I definitely prefer the Linux mode even when things fail to be easy.

Which they usually don't, because all the common packages tend to be in the package manager of any halfway serious distribution.

>>60416833
>Spotify
>Obscure
sudo apt-add-repository -y "deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free" &&
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys D2C19886 &&
sudo apt-get update -qq &&
sudo apt-get install spotify-client

>>60416924
Windows
>download
>install

>>60416833

That process literally takes 2 minutes lol. Again, unless you are retarded. Sites like softpedia are obvious trash and you immediately scroll pass them. If you know what to type in a search engine, it won't come up with any of those garbage sites. And for dodgy old software from an unreputable source, you'd want to check it in a vm anyway.

Linux is a server OS and a nice brick for phones but thats all it is

>>60416957
Searching it at the web costs lest keyboard shit and 1-2 minutes

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>>60417048

GUYS I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN AND INSTALL GENTOO. ITS NOT DUMBED DOWN LIKE WINDOWZ

>>60411486
Abandoning its techno communism and having a version akin to "Android" but for laptop/desktop.

You're going to need something proprietary that makes money in order to have a stable rival.

It needs to be normie friendly. Like "I buy prebuilt gaming desktops because doing anything more than installing extra RAM frightens me" friendly.

>>60417234

This guy gets it. Only the people interested in computers need things to be more complex. It would be great if software was simple, but with options for more advanced settings to be displayed. The same goes for hardware. I think software should have 3 stages, stage 1 is bare bones, stage 2 is "normal" and stage 3 advanced. Each stage makes the gui more complex and makes more options available. Then there needs to be a big retard proof restore defaults button.

>>60416524
you can keep using whatever autistic version of linux you want. The way linux is won't change, nobody will force you to upgrade to have basic convenience options. Not like you can upgrade without breaking the whole thing and having to spend a week unfucking it anyway lol. But then, that's what you're into if you use linux.

>>60411486
>worthy alternatives
What is wine and what is gimp?

>>60417354
I just clean install my distro every few months, takes about 15 minutes in total :)

>>60417382
>worthy

Also, BSD is king of the open source shit

>>60415920
beets is vastly superior to MusicBee as a music library manager.

>>60416574
How do we implement executables in linux the same way microsoft and mac have?

Easy to install apps without having to fuck around with a repository and sudo apt-get faggotry

it should not be easier to use my phone than a linux desktop

>>60418675
A fucking script, use the script everywhere. Something like Debian/Ubuntu is doing but well implemented.

>>60411486
Give me a better Visual Studio for free for C# development with Unity and I'll switch right now.

I actually prefer arch with awesome wm but nothing compares to Visual Studio for C# and C++ development.

>>60418675
A repository and packages is a much nicer way to install software though.

>>60418770
>a centralized way to install shit
And the non-gnu stuff?

>>60418704
>well implemented.
And this is where you have to take it out of the hands of the engineers. Otherwise you'll have a script with a million and one controls for color, transparency, sound, scaling, fonts, memory usage, disk space and so on. And that's for the install script itself.
All it needs is an "Install" button.

>directx replacement and ease of use

gets all of the facebook moms and gamers onto it.

>>60415586
Lol what. The Windows Store is a fucking joke no one uses that. How do you think the ransomware meme spread?

>>60418825
There is non-gnu stuff in repositories already. Add more repos or make your own.

>>60418851
Exactly, that's why Linux has never been taken seriously on the desktop market, GNU shit has fucked up the system. It needs a big corporation like Google or Canonical and a centralized way of doing things to actually ignite.
Desktop users don't give a crap about freedom, they need to get shit done. That's why BSD is owning the market in consoles

>>60416028
>>Linux still hasn't figured out how to make installing and organizing programs easy. Even microshit does it better than linux

pacaur -S program

That was hard as fuck man

Want to upgrade something in wangblows?

Better go to the developer's website and download the latest version, opening the executable and going through the install wizard instead of doing something extremely hard like

pacaur -Syu 

Which only gives you the latest version of all your software

>>60418932
>Add more repos or make your own.
>>>
Just what we need: more repos. Goes well with the centralised repo idea.

>>60419059
It's not a centralised repo. All package managers can have one or many repositories.

I have my own personal repository and don't use any others, you can do the same if you want.

>>60419033

To normies, going to the developer's website is easier than remembering some lines you enter in the terminal.

>>60419181
You wanted installing and organizing programs easy.

Arch does it that way.

If you don't want to remember anything I believe Ubuntu has a software center that basically does all the command line stuff for you.

Installing and updating software is better in linux.

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>>60411486
The real question is: "Why hasn't already replaced Windows & OSX where they dominate?"

The answer is: "Because the people who fund *nix development don't care about the desktop."

All of the companies who are the top contributors to the kernel and use *nix as a business platform use it exclusively as a server and only want to see it retain dominance in that field. Red Hat has no interest in becoming the dominant desktop OS and that's very clear in what development aspects they are funding in the *nix world and what their business focuses on, which is in enterprise virtualization, servers, etc. It's very obviously not in the desktop world. Red Hat has something like 8000 employees, and only ONE of them is paid to work on GNOME, the Foundation Director.

GNU/Linux will not become a dominant desktop OS so long as none of the companies funding its development have any financial incentive to make it so. That's just the way it is.

>>60419236
>Arch does it that way
I have used Antergos, which uses the same repository as Arch, and installing is not that easy

>>60419499
Give an example

Just make it work, that's all it needs. It can be a pain at times to configure some things, or getting some things to work properly.
Make it simpler for those that don't want to go through the bullshit, but still leave the advanced things for more advanced users.
Believe it or not after the Snowden thing a few normies became conscious about their privacy. It's not a lot at all, but it's a step in the good direction.

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>>60419713
>search telegram on the repository
>can't find it
>search on Google
>search on the telegram webpage
>doesn't say shit about Arch
>search on the arch wiki
>it's not called "telegram" it's actually called "telegram-something"
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60419801
>search telegram on the terminal
FTFM

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>>60419801
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>Honestly those are the only two things I can think of to justify not using GNU/Linux

Windows applications for which there is no Linux equivalent come to mind, like AutoDesk software and other apps people who use computers to work for a living need to do their jobs.

Switching is retarded when you can run many OS on the same PC by using VMs. An OS isn't an emotional commitment, it's a fucking tool.

>>60418770
Not everything is in a repository

the system should be fail-safe; can't get it in a repository? That's okay because it'll install just fine if you download it off some website and install with an executable

Christ linuxfags you're literally a decade behind the rest of the OS market on this, it really isn't THAT fucking hard to figure out

>>60419033
if you have to enter ANYTHING into a terminal it has already failed the normie test and your operating system is a piece of shit that nobody will want to use

linuxfags are too fedora tier to understand that people are fucking morons and don't want to touch anything more complicated than left clicking with their mouse and some people are scared of left clicking the wrong thing and fucking it all up anyways

stop designing your operating system for literal autistic spergs and start designing for hip and cool retards like windows and mac do

>>60411486
>Honestly those are the only two things I can think of to justify not using GNU/Linux
Buying a shit-tier consumer K CPU so you didn't get VT-d?
People like that deserve the spying and malware.

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>>60421435
You can download packages directly from the internet

>>60411604

No it's not as convenient as windows where .exes are installed automatically by SWF and banner ads. They .exes even save you doing the UAC stuff by bypassing security.

>>60416028
>>60411655

No executable installers is a good thing since 99% of what you need is in the repos. Downloading untrusted binaries from random websites is a sure way to get infected, so I'm glad it's not something tech illiterates can do easily. Don't bring your shit windows idioms and conventions to Linux. We're not building windows ecosystem 2.0 here.

>>60421474
Google has solved the Linux on the desktop design problem for normies with Chromebooks.

Android is already better than Windows ever was.

>>60419181

>ubuntu
>click software icon in app bar
>it lists all the software you could want
>installs cryptographically verified packages from trusted sources with one click

Wow so hard.

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It's like all the people who complain about the difficulty in which you have to install software have only used GNU/Linux in 2004. The GNOME software center really is great, especially in the newer versions. If you want a good GNU/Linux experience, just use GNOME, some extensions, and a theme.

There is a software center, much like the Microsoft store. Installing software is as easy as clicking "Install", you don't even need to remember the (simple) command-line syntax, and in the rare case you do need to make use of the terminal to preform an action, all you need to do is copy-paste a command. This myth is infuriating to see.

GNOME works well with HiDPI, but as >>60414790 says, it does have its issues.

As for Adobe CC, you can use GIMP. GIMP can do everything that CC can do, but it requires getting over baby duck syndrome.

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>>60411604

good fucking one

Less autistic retards circle-jerking over who has the best animu waifu riced into their fucking terminal.

>>60421931
good post until
>As for Adobe CC, you can use GIMP. GIMP can do everything that CC can do, but it requires getting over baby duck syndrome.
Go ahead, select several layers at once. Or do any kind of non-destructive color adjustment.
I'll wait.

I've gotten used to GIMP after using it for way too fucking long (and now I'm faster with it than PS, but that's out of sheer "I open GIMP every day for some random little bullshit" than its UI actually being better (it's fucking not).

>>60411604
>AppImage

proper software support
no more shitty to mediocre alternatives

>>60411859
>implying there's anything similar in that list

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A simple lightweight DE (that is platform independent) that clones the Windows 7 experience that is free from bloatware and uses a completely new window system written form the ground up.

So never going to happen.

>>60422317
>being this much of a faggot
You're not exactly welcomed anyway. Stick to Winblows. It's what you know :)

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>>60422358

>UNIX like operating systems should have broken, ugly and unintuitive user interfaces so I can feel superior to people who use windows :)

What a surprise, a tripfag being a retarded attention whore.

Please kill yourself.

>>60421931
>GIMP can do everything that CC can do
If you're trying to evangelize people to your cult try to not lie about something any user will find out in the first 5 minutes, steering them away from your shit for another 10 years

>>60422402
If you stepped out of your comfort zone you'd find all the memes about DE's on GNU/Linux are bullshit. But it's OK. You need your safe place. Stick to what you know :)

>>60415317
gtfo

>>60422404
Gimp is complete shit. Krita is worth using though. It's basically gimp but intuitive and good. Apparently lacks some bullshit gimp has, but I've never noticed.

>>60423015
Krita is a SAI alternative, not Photoshop. But more power to you if you're happy with it.

>>60416028
Installing shit is easy until you're in registry or DLL hell and Microsoft's official solution is literally to reinstall the entire fucking OS.

Executable installers are the worst.

>>60411486
Active Directory DS, or something that fills that role.

>>60411486
>shit gnu/linux
at least you know what you're using
linux will never replace windows for me, i would rather use windows 7 till i die
hell i would rather install windows 10 than any linux distro

>>60423529
>i would rather install windows 10 than any linux distro
Let's not get too crazy there. I moved out of 7 since m$ was very adamant with their pile of shit upgrade. Goddamn, what a terrible OS.

>people in the year of our Lord 2017 are still complaining about tar balls

it has been like 2 years since I downloaded one