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Seems like life in North Korea isn't as bad as you may

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Seems like life in North Korea isn't as bad as you may think..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDWYzwwuUs

5 min 2 seconds in.
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Cute cashier, check
Windows, check
Anime wallpaper, check
this is it boys, moving to the DPRK
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Smoke and mirrors
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*worrsssshhhhhhhhhhrrxkkkkkkxxxxxxxx*
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Question is how widely available it is for the general population?

You know the relationship of dictatorships and their """""image"""""
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>>60408165
>>60408463

This guy's channel is comfy as fuck.

Also, it isn't smoke and mirrors. He is just in a privileged area. He also goes to a regular store that you (meaning normal people) can buy things from, and it's all tourist garbage. That being said, in his videos the cashiers always try to fuck him. He wants money back in dollars (after paying in dollars), but they also insist on Euros and screw him on the exchange rate. AFAIK he worked for the Polish consulate, and given his recent status update he is now an citizen of Indonesia and is just happy to get out of there. Even though he was fairly well off in the DPRK. His videos aren't meant to make you think "smoke and mirrors" or propaganda, just observe quietly what people do in their day to day lives and that they are ultimately just people.
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>>60408165
except they're all actors
also that constant worried look you see on the face of everyone in north korea except dear leader, the one that says "if I go off script they'll have me shot and my family will be blacklisted from employment and left to starve"
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>>60408511
Probably for anyone in Pyongyang.
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>>60408165
you know this is an area for foreign workers to go shopping, right? it's all chinese, malaysian, indonesian etc. foreigners. this isn't actually accessible to the public.
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>windows xp
I can't imagine anything worse
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>>60408511

Not widely available at all.

See: >>60408533

If you watch the video, his buddy has a laptop with a LAN port and an anime desktop image. However, he points out that neither of these things are legal in the video. All of the computers and devices they sell do not have LAN ports for instance. They also (AFAIK) do not sell any cellphones with SIM cards. This guy has a cellphone with a SIM card. Someone in his food shopping video even comments on this IIRC.

He's an extremely privileged guy, or rather, was until he moved out.
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>>60408165
>tfw based fatman will sell cheap nuclear warheads to every "rogue" nation in a few years and americucks won't be able to push everyone around so easily
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>>60408569
the OSs immediately before and after XP are considered much worse
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>>60408569

That's one of the funnier things in this, considering that the Norks have their own fork of Linux called Red OS. An actual DPRK poster on /pol/ posted with it and showed it wasn't just the emulator that you can download.
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>>60408582
NK has its own mobile network, but it's only for the upper caste / politicians and their families. they don't sell anything that has WiFi though, because the South broadcasts really strong WiFi signal. thats where people get their TV shows and music etc.
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>Being influenced by Communist propaganda and paid actors
>Not knowing about public executions, death camps in which prisoneers eat each other and hunt rats to survive, rape commited by the soldiers, the 90's famine that killed millions

You can look up everything it's all true. So now stop making threads about DPKRunless you know what you are talking about and stop watching propaganda videos and read the wikipedia page instead you fucking moron
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>>60408627
>and read the wikipedia page instead you fucking moron
SJW go away
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>>60408627
they arent paid actors, it's foreign workers and diplomats. they're treated well and live amoing the upper caste (politicians and their families, higher up military personnel etc).

the middle class and below is where the shit starts.
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>>60408684

To be honest, there isn't anything wrong with North Korea outside of the Nuclear Program and rampant humanitarian problems. If they shut down the nuke program/never pursued it in the first place and toned back on the political killings, they'd just be a weird tourist attraction. Basically the Liechenstein of Asia.
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>>60408684
go fuck yourself you dumb mindless cuck
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>>60408546
>except they're all actors
not unlike western society
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>>60408718
What's weird about Liechenstein?
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>>60408718
stop talking about shit you know nothing about. there are currently 150,000-300,000 (numbers vary depending on source) people interned at "forced labour camps" where people are worked to death on ZERO food (like, literally fighting for a kennel of corn) and living conditions not suitable for an animal, much less a human.

go read an eyewitness account of one of these camps (Escape from Camp 14 for example) then come back.

I suppose this is all western propaganda though, right?
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>>60408627
>don't believe their propaganda believe my propaganda instead
lmao based kim jong the second will nuke you fucks first
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>>60408824
where's the satellite pics of the camp huh?
faggot cuck, go spread your propaganda elsewhere
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>>60408824
forgot to mention I live in SK and have talked to defectors personally. seriously, the people that take North Korea as a joke and try to be edgy fuckers by pretending they like Kim Jong-Un need to kill themselves.
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>>60408824
do you have a single non-imperialist source to back that up
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>>60408859
what the fuck do you mean, retard? nevermind the UN and numerous human rights groups reports, and reports from South Korean and US spies - you can see it on Google fucking maps.
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>>60408684

depending on which side of the dick you are, those humanitarian problems actually matter a lot
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>>60408775

You can rent out the entire country for a period of time, it's a micro-nation, it sells itself on being weird and German, etc. It's a tourist trap.
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>>60408883
is the Chinese goverment "non-imperialist" enough for your retarded little mind?
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>>60408902
>human rights groups
yeah literally CIA covert ops like they've proven time and time again
put up hard evidence or fuck off nigger
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>>60408942
>china
>non-imperialist
fuck off chigger
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>>60408947
literally as retarded as holocaust deniers.
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>>60408982
still waiting on the satellite pics nigger
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What is this commie propaganda?
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>>60408982
I wonder who is behind this post
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What is this western propaganda?
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>>60409002
there are hundreds, if not thousands on Amnesty Internationals website. im not going to spoonfeed a retarded edgy american.

also, saying "nigger" has lost its edge in about 2000, you can stop now /pol/tard.
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>>60409059
(((((Amnesty International)))))

schlomo pls
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>foreign workers more privileged than the average north korean
What's the logic behind this? Also why can't the fatty raise the average quality of life in non-pyongyang hellholes? There is no bureaucracy stopping him.
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>I'm not going to spoonfeed my non-existent ""evidence""
lmaoing
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>>60408165
>Seems like life in North Korea isn't as bad as you may think..
you don't say

it's actually the CIA niggers that are pushing "north korea"-tier propaganda

https://www.rt.com/usa/384667-cia-assange-wikileaks-critisize/

claims of failed north korean missile tests etc with NO PROOFS

claims of use of chemical weapons in syria by assad with NO PROOFS

>muh beautiful babies

wake up fucking sheep
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ITT: Retards shilling for North Korea
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cute wallpaper
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>>60409193
ITT: spooks shilling for israel
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>>60409199
2hu ripoff.
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ITT: Retards shilling for the CIA and jews
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>>60408718

>there isn't anything wrong with North Korea outside of the Nuclear Program and rampant humanitarian problems

Yeah kinda like how that kiddie fiddling priest was okay apart from the kiddie fiddling.
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>/pol/ hates communism except when it's nk
Literally meme-induced cognitive disonance.
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Fuck off Communist shills.
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>>60408582
>All of the computers and devices they sell do not have LAN ports for instance
How do they connect to the network then?
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>>60408165
Japan has the same thing, except without the fascist totalitarian dictatorship.
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>>60409382
Just rampant xenophobia.
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Spoiler: The potemkin city of Pyongyang is not representative of the rest of the country.

Also, this is only tangentially /g/ related, and yet more evidence of /pol/'s mental derangement leaking out and contaminating other boards. Saged, hidden, reported, etc.
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>>60409405
is that supposed to be a bad thing? It's their country, and they're keeping it their country.
The only thing I have against japs is their shit taste in anime and again hardware. (monster hunter on a real fucking system never ever again, shitty handheld controls and shittier resolution only)
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That computer he is looking at in the store has katakana displayed at the top of the login screen, any idea why they would possibly be selling that in North Korea?
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>>60409405
What does that have to do with anything?
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>>60409302
nk isn't communism
juche is based and anti-judaic
fuck off jidf
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>>60408165
>Believing hand picked propaganda
>implying the north koreans let that guy out of the country with any clips that would paint them in a bad light
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>>60409405
As if the west doesn't currently have a rampant xenophobia problem?
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>>60409439
>>60409467
das rayciss
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>>60408627
>and read the wikipedia page instead you fucking moron
Not saying that there aren't countless issues with N. Korea, but if you think Wikipedia is some unbiased, bastion of truth you're fucking stupid.
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>>60409511
>tfw my city set aside a find so illegals can get lawyers
Just because trump is president doesn't mean a lot of America isn't still liberal as shit. If anything it's made "progressive" cities like Seattle even more liberal as a response.
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>>60409553
New levels of cuckoldry every day
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>>60408533
>only privileged people can have access to ordinary stuff like electronic stores and cellular networks
that's that most unflattering thing of all. I don't know why people are interested in NK
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>>60408627
sure and the holocaust is all true too
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>>60409164
>https://www.rt.com/usa/384667-cia-assange-wikileaks-critisize/
how come non-american media sources are always more professional
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>>60409633
Hehe and the moon landing is a hoax. And the Earth is flat!
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>>60409382
Is that Torvalds?
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>>60409776
>There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than she was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death sentence. I suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the "Bitch of Buchenwald", had written that she had lamp shades made of human skin in her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin
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>>60409809
Ja.
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Anime in NORTH?
ANIME IN NORTH?
How could it be?
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>>60408165
>Seems like life in North Korea isn't as bad as you may think..
1) can I download porn for free?
2) can I access 4chan?
3) can I bang qt korean communists?
if I have 3 yes, then not bad.
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>>60409922
>can I bang qt korean communists
Dunno about two first, but this one is impossoble because you are not a korean communist.
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>>60408165
>5 min 2 seconds in.
Why not just link to that time?
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>>60408859
yes, because people goes around asking for photos of the flag on the moon, and that definitely happened
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>>60409922
No to all 3
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>>60410062
why not just fuck you?
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>>60410284
Because fuck you is why. It's more economical to have one person to the slight bit of effort as opposed to expecting everybody else to do the slight bit of effort.
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>>60409874
Anime will conquer the world
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>>60408511

I guess those items in the video would be classified as luxury items, which are quite expensive in socialist countries. If you work hard you can probably buy them.
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>>60408859
Don't worry, the gmaps have them. Just search it.
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i actually know this guy, he is indonesian and his wife work for indonesian embassy in NK(that's why he can live in there for 3 years) from what i know from him you can access internet freely in there if you are a foreigner(he can access fb, twitter, and shit like that, even he can use skype for contacting home) while the local can only use "internet" that the government provide(controlled by the official, only consist of some website approved by the government)
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>>60410302
what are you? communist? let them deserve it
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>>60408165
>life in North Korea isn't as bad as you may think
only if you're not an amerilad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er7uhMkQzro
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>>60410491
What's their opinion on ex-communist countries?
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>>60410062
linking to the time doesn't work with embedded videos
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>>60410896
It works if you open the link.
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The one thing I like about North Korea is how empty it is. I saw someone post some sneaky shots on /p/ a while back and there was hardly anyone on the streets. Must be pretty comfy at least in that regard.
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>>60409372
They don't.
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>>60408627
Nice try JTRIG shill
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>>60409302
>it's communism because CIA told me so!
Yeah! those fucking russians hacking the election! Fucking commies
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>>60408824
Fake news
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>>60408595
MGSV: The Phantom Pain
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>>60408947
Since you are so scared to look up easily accesible information here u fucking go
http://freekorea.us/camps/#sthash.wOmJpvgp.fui9Fq48.dpbs
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>>60411382
>freekorea.us
not us government propaganda at all :^)
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>>60411382
Thats the ski resort u stupid fuck. Dont u see the snow around it
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>>60409874
NK was for quite some time where western companies outsourced their traditional animation, Japan outsources to SK and SK sometimes outsources to NK
>>60409922
If you're a high ranking officer/scientist or a tourist
>1) can I download porn for free?
Yes
>2) can I access 4chan?
Yes
>3) can I bang qt korean communists?
I don't know but I believe you can't
>>60411382
>freekorea.us
Totally not biased :^)
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Why are they all speaking Arabic
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>>60411382
>Vista
Why hasn't the CIA / NSA updated to winshill 10 yet
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>>60409922
I see nork flags everey couple days on int and pol but there probably proxies
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>>60408824
>I suppose this is all western propoganda
Yeah most of it unless youre stupid enough to think a dictatorship can remain that stable with that kind of brutality for 70 years. Which you apparently are.
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>>60408533
>privileged
but I thought communism meant that all people were equal?
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>>60411549
That level of brutality is what is keeping it alive.
Nazi germany would still be here if hitler had stopped after czechoslovakia
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>>60411569
Nope, holocaust would happen the same, because it's a jew scheme to filter the non fit jews for the future. Like a forced evolution. And at the same time, gaining the privileges of a victim.
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>>60411382
>a fucking building that could be anything
anyway its not like prisons don't exist in the west
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>>60409302
pol also put trump in the white house despite knowing he was going to surround himself with greedy jews
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>>60408824
what's wrong with that?

t. living in a former third reich country that's not germany
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>>60411382
>severely outdated OS
confirmed for spook
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>>60411382
>unregistered
freeloader gtfo
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>>60411718
still better than hillary
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>>60411768
sure, even the "what's aleppo" guy would've been a saner choice
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>>60411768
USA isn't still castrated enough to choose a woman, unlike Germany
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>>60408824
>literally fighting for a kennel of corn
at least make it believable
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>>60408758
why the fuck don't you move to north korea then?
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>>60411545
flags dont mean anything really. most antarctica IPs are owned by dutch and german companies for example.
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What cameras are those?

Looks like D3000 and D5000.
But the labels are blacked out and the "14 Megapixels" would be *ahem* exaggerated.

Are they fakes?
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>>60409164
>complains about Amerifat propaganda
>counters with Russian propaganda
Besides, most of anti NK stuff comes from SK sources and Burgers just repost it.

>>60409382
The president is a nazi apologist who only isn't a fascist due the limitations in the constitution.

>>60409496
There are a lot accounts from people who were there. It's definitely not a great country to live but it's not as horrible as Western propaganda paints it either. It's basically Soviet Union in the 60s-70s.
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>>60412295
the CIA is on the record making those insane comments. do you think the footage is fake?
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>>60412328
>CIA
CIA director
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>>60411641

holy shit, you russian fucks will do anything to argue against the obvious.

everyone knows they have labour camps so fuck off back to sucking trumps pubes
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Nork sympathizers shit themselves everytime confronted with this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAQE7kDwPZY
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>>60412358
>everyone knows because I said so!
>got told, huh, fucking drumpfkins
wew
Is JTRIG this bad nowadays? I guess most of the trannies there are finally killing themselves
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>>60412358
>everyone knows
not an argument
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>>60411641
Hell, US of A imprisons a bigger percentage of their population. And then there are blacksites with the same torture shit.
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>>60412358
Sure but how are their labor camps that different from the average private run prison? The accounts about the conditions of these are very limited.
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>>60410491
play stupid games win stupid prizes
why would he ever think it was a good idea to steal?
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>>60412358
>you russian fucks
ty for ousting yourself as the obvious CTR shill you are
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>>60410896
It does if you don't embed it like a retard.
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>>60412125
>Nikon cameras on Canon stands
>Canon cameras on Sony stands
What did they mean by this ?
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>>60412460
all rook same
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>>60412398

Praise them for the things they do right, criticize them for the things they do wrong.
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>>60412398
could easily be fake and gay
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>>60412448
prove it
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>>60412492
gb2 fagbook normie
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>>60412398
I don't get it. Yes dead penalty is obviously backwards and no civilized country would do it, but why pretending that NK are the only ones?
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>>60408455
Cashier's got a man sized chin
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>>60412516
How would I even do that?
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>>60412535
Stop moving goalposts.
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>>60412565
embed it here with the video starting at 5 min 2 s you fucking retard
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>>60412630
But that would only result in you not seeing a time, because you're a retard. But here.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/FtDWYzwwuUs?t=5m2s
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>>60412535
>Yes dead penalty is obviously backwards and no civilized country would do it
Why is the death penalty backwards? What the fuck does "backwards" even mean? Who defines it?
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>>60412669
kill yourself
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>>60412606
To what? I just joined this thread, nigga. I am on the "NK isn't as horrible as the propaganda tells us" side. Not with the Trump shills or idiots who pretends it's a communist paradise.

Obviously it's still a shithole and I wouldn't want to live there but most countries accusing them to be horrible are pretty bad too. Using something these countries do as a anti-NK argument makes no sense.

The only thing that makes them really stand out is the massive limitations when it comes to freedom of speech and the likes. Which is bad, but not "starving cannibals running around praying to Kim" - bad.

>>60412671
If you need to ask this stuff and can't even find a definition for "backwards" it's pretty pointless to have a discussion, anon.
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>>60412766
Why? Just so you know, it embeds at that time just fine for me.
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>>60412780
>If you need to ask this stuff and can't even find a definition for "backwards" it's pretty pointless to have a discussion, anon.

so you don't have arguments
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>>60412671
who defines good and bad

what does it mean for something to be "good"? "good" is just a human construct. there is really no such thing. same goes for "bad" and "evil".
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>>60412782
do you know what embedding means? it's not embedded ITT
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>>60412902
I wonder what that (embed) does.
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>>60411558
>but I thought communism meant that all people were equal?

Yes and Islam is a religion of peace.
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>>60412839
you sound like the sort of person to claim castro was a hero
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>>60408165

oh yeah this totally makes up for everything
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>>60412956
you're using some weird ass extension
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>>60408165
that's south Korea
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The only reason everyone thinks North Korea is some dystopian hellhole is because of American propaganda.
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>>60413058
no it's not
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>>60411850
Castrated enough to chose an actual idiot who waste tax dollars to get Florida for get comfy.
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>>60412780
>The only thing that makes them really stand out is the massive limitations when it comes to freedom of speech and the likes

Oh there are far more violations. Families of defectors get imprisoned, abductions of people from other countries (namely SK and Japan) to make use of for a variety of purposes, sending off their citizens as low paid slave labour to other countries (China, Russia, Poland, probably far more).
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>>60413034
Yes, your point? This discussion is only relevant if you factor in extensions, otherwise you wouldn't be able to embed on 4chan (at least, assuming that's the case because you implied so).
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>>60413058
If we had a Korean in here we'd be able to figure it out. There are distinct dialect differences--things only North Koreans would say, in daily conversation.
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>>60412780
>If you need to ask this stuff
My point is that there's literally nothing wrong with the death penalty if used in a fair justice system.
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>best korean propaganda thread on /g/ of all places
kek didn't expect this
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>>60413209

Who decides what's fair, you? The problem with capital punishment is that there's no way to undo it.
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>>60413141
plain 4chan has [embed] on normal youtube links
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>>60408165
One thing Amerifats don't know is that anybody with Chinese citizenship can freely go into North Korea and visit family without needing an escort.

Then you see the real North Korea instead of the highly structured propaganda tours they force the westerners into.

Generally, people like the regime there. They actually see Fatty Kim III as a 'reformer' as he's permitted a lot of shit his father didn't. They have access to South Korean media, it's easily smuggled in and most you talk to there do not want to live in South Korea they consider it a hellhole without family structure.

Chinese citizens can freely leave too without having their media stolen, they just bribe the land border guards who don't give a fuck what you bring in or out. If you are involved in politics or religious politics you will have a bad, bad time in North Korea otherwise they generally leave the average pleb alone.
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Those are the rich people anon.
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>>60413341
Okay, so >>60412902 was being retarded, and it was embedded in this thread.
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>>60409372
why don't they have LAN ports?
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>>60413355
lmao okay senpai

This is North Korea according to defectors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc
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>>60413120
>Families of defectors get imprisoned
Fair point.

>abductions of people from other countries
That's how US of A operates too. Just they don't limit themselves to abductions but tend to throw bombs too.

>sending off their citizens as low paid slave labour to other countries
It's what other poor countries do too. We just use nicer names for it and since some of them come to better countries (Polaks to UK/Spain), their conditions tend to be better.

>>60413209
Because you have no idea about death penalty. You can stop being an edgelord for a second a research why every civilized country dropped it ... or you can shitpost about simplistic ideas you don't understand.
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>>60413377
you're seriously stupid as hell

OP's video is embedded, but it doesn't have the time link, because it doesn't work anyway (on 4chan), you have to go to the actual youtube site for the time code to work
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>>60409553
>progressive" cities
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>>60413412
The defectors make up shit because it is in their interest to do so. If you defect and said "I came here because I wanted more money" you might not get gibs in South Korea, but if you claimed all sorts of bullshit you could sell books, get on Korean TV, blah blah.

Many defectors admitted to lying like that guy who supposedly grew up in a super seekrit labor camp. Even the other defectors called him out on the bullshit. I wouldn't want to live there but it's not what the west thinks, ask a Chinaman who's been there
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>>60413421
>OP's video is embedded
As can mine be.

>because it doesn't work anyway (on 4chan), you have to go to the actual youtube site for the time code to work
No you don't, you just have to not embed it like a retard. If you embed my link properly, it'll start on that time.
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qt Korean defector blog
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiIBRxfi5PspgJSTcvi-pHg
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>>60413355
>they consider it a hellhole without family structure
It's sad how fucking true this is, just go take a look at the thread from that SK anon who got arrested and on the sex offender record for translating some shitty VN, here's it >>406753
>>60413412
You know a lot of this "witnesses" have turned out to be people completely unrelated to NK, right?
Most of thi it's straight up fabricated shit to get sympathy gibs
I bet you believe on human skin lampshades, roller coaster ovens and masturbating chairs used for extermination
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>>60409922
>3
>tfw no qt, submissive and traditional korean gf
why to live?
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>>60413481
>As can mine be.
no, it doesn't have the [embed] with plain 4chan
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>>60413534
>masturbating chairs used for extermination
Hot.
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>>60413534
>It's sad how fucking true this is, just go take a look at the thread from that SK anon who got arrested and on the sex offender record for translating some shitty VN, here's it >>406753(Dead)
wew how did I even fuckup like this
>>60406753
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>>60413418
If families of defectors get imprisoned why are they on the talk show circuit.

Families of military and political defectors get imprisoned, but Joe Son Blow, typical North Korean labourer his family is not imprisoned because he's on TV everyday talking about defecting and has celebrity blogs.

>slave labor
Bangladesh should be high on this list for allowing Qatar and Dubai sheiks to literally kidnap their people, hold their passports and work them to death for no money.

Many countries also have forced labor prisons like Indonesia/China/Thailand/Texas (tdcj) yet you don't hear anybody crying for those people.

North Korea will eventually reform but it will take a few decades. Once they no longer have a threat of being overrun by Uncle Sam they'll open up borders more
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>>60413581
>no
See >>60412956
>>60413581
>it doesn't have the [embed] with plain 4chan
How does that matter? It also doesn't show up if you look at just the source code. You're still retarded for not being able to embed it properly.
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>>60408165
>Clean streets
>No degeneracy
>Anime wallpaper
Best Korea at it again.
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>>60413611
>North Korea will eventually reform but it will take a few decades
At the speed fatty Kim's going, this might be done by 2025
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>>60413301
The people do. And there's no way to undo 40 years of jail either.
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>>60413534
I live in Vancouver and South Korea routinely imprisons and fines anybody they catch going to Canada/US and being in a porn, or saying something anti-government, or promoting "dissident behavior" in South Korea. A friend of mine here who ran an internet cafe went back home to do his military service and literally disappeared for 5 years. He was in jail the whole time because he kept a blog critical of the government.

They're not that much different from the North
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>>60409553
>so illegals can get lawyers
So is Seattle just full of cucks or what?
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>>60413643
kill yourself.
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>>60413730
Why? Because you were wrong? Learn how computers work.
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>>60413073
it's a fucking dictatorship
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>>60413675
Didn't South Korea just have a massive protest against their president because she was corrupt or some shit? That would never happen in NK.
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>>60408165

DPRK is one of the few countries not controlled by ZOG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–North_Korea_relations

I literally hate anyone critical of Democratic Korea
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>>60411075
But Kwangmyong?
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>>60413740
kill yourself arrogant prick. the embedding with timestamps with vanilla 4chan simply doesn't work. that's the objective truth.
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>>60408718
>To be honest, there isn't anything wrong with North Korea outside of the Nuclear Program and rampant humanitarian problems. If they shut down the nuke program/never pursued it in the first place and toned back on the political killings, they'd just be a weird tourist attraction. Basically the Liechenstein of Asia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlJUGZPanB8

this is how people are forced to behave there, it's basically like living in a prison
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>>60413418
>That's how US of A operates too. Just they don't limit themselves to abductions but tend to throw bombs too.

I've not yet heard of USA abducting fishermen, ordinary citizens or even movie directors.
If you think NK is after "terrorists" or border hoppers, you're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_South_Koreans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens

>It's what other poor countries do too
It's not the same, their home countries do not dictate where the person can settle and what he can do with the money earned. What happens with North Koreans is that they don't even see the money and their destination is outside of their control.

>>60413402
To limit connectivity and access to outside. Just like how vast majority of phones do not have a SIM card.

>>60413471
There are too many defectors that get debriefed and point out same repeating information. Either nork defectors are massively colluding all over the country, which is frankly crazy because information exchange between regions is stiffled, or it's likely the experiences are the same.

>ask a Chinaman who's been there
okey dokey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whX8ElQn1oY
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>>60413834
Video blocked on copyright grounds.
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>>60413818
Yes, and you're embedding it like a retard. And my initial statement (that "it" (which refers to linking to the time working with embedded videos or not) does work) is true.
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>>60409082
>why can't the fatty raise the average quality of life in non-pyongyang hellholes? There is no bureaucracy stopping him.

He has to keep people oppressed and barely literate, if they started to wise up or view western media and have any economic power they would over throw him in a second
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>>60413877
it only works if you use a special snowflake extension. it doesn't work with vanilla 4chan. KILL YOURSELF
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>>60413907
Yes, you already said that. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself?
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>>60413917
(You) HAVE AUTISM
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>>60410325
>If you work hard you can probably buy them.

If you work hard you will just go home tired at the end of the day from manual labor; you think it's like the west where there are plenty of jobs and room for career advancement?

anyone but the upper class are basically slaves
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>>60413953
>Says the person repeating himself over and over
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>>60408902
>You can see it on Google maps
Pics or gtfo
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>>60413890
No they wouldn't. The massive army would stomp all over them and send to a labour camp for extermination. With an army so big and obedient, Kim doesn't need to fear his people or other commie generals.
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>>60411558
>but I thought communism meant that all people were equal?

NK is not a communist nation, it is a patriarchal lineage dictatorship
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>>60413955

How the fuck do you know retard? You've never been there, & your only source of information is ((((((Wolf Blitzer))))) on CNN, who already lied to you about other non-ZOG countries like Iraq and Syria
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>>60408165
She looks like a North Korean version of Ellen Page
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>>60412295
>It's definitely not a great country to live but it's not as horrible as Western propaganda paints it either. It's basically Soviet Union in the 60s-70s.

The soviets never had the food shortages the norks do
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>>60412430
>Sure but how are their labor camps that different from the average private run prison? The accounts about the conditions of these are very limited.
For one thing a private US prison lets cameras in and view the conditions of the inmates and all their charges and evidence against them is public record...
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>>60408902
when your life long dream is to run away to china for a better life.

that alone should say someting about the state of North Korea
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>>60413969
>>60414019

go back to plebbit shlomo
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>>60413752
Of course not it's a dictatorship but even they still have to have majority consent of the people to rule. If nobody in North Korea had any faith in Fatty Kim III the military would overthrow him just like they would in Singapore, Cuba, Belarus and all the other dictatorships. You can't just simply kill your way into retaining power you have to pander to the people enough in order to retain political capital. No political capital and your generals will just remove you quickly.

As much as the media would not like us to think so, Fatty Kim III has domestic political capital still. In fact the North Korean economy is better than it's ever been because he relaxed a lot of things. Type 'North Korea grow economy' into google news, receive media outlets confused on how he's able to do that despite having the most trading sanctions anywhere on earth.

>>60413840
A lot of it is true, for military and political high level people you certainly will end up in a brutal labor camp or shot in the parking lot for defying the regime. But Chinese citizens go into that country all the time and talk to their family about life there, it's not as bad as the western shill media makes it out to be.

If you are in Singapore, Chad, Swaziland, Belarus, Cuba, China ect and you go against the regimes there you will end up just as bad as North Korean dissidents but many of those countries are our political allies, so we do not demonize them. Visit a Singapore forced labor prison sometime and hear some stories, then wonder why CNN isn't talking about it instead of hyping the 'horrors' of North Korea.
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>>60414052

99.9% of North Koreans have no desire to run away. 99.9% are happy to live in their strong, proud, and independent country, which despite sanctions and threats is advancing steadily in technology and science.
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>>60413355
>Chinese citizens can freely leave too without having their media stolen, they just bribe the land border guards

So it's illegal but you can bribe the cops

do you know how stupid that sounds
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>>60414085
sure
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>>60413849
>Video blocked on copyright grounds.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxxr_national-geographic-inside-undercover-in-north-korea_news
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>>60414082
>Singapore, Chad, Swaziland, Belarus, Cuba, China

Those countries aren't threatening to blow up USA, SK or Japan. NK mentality is all about the upcoming war, so more threats they make, the more they think the war will be delayed or something of that kind.
There I answered your question.
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>>60413834
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlJUGZPanB8 [Embed]

>>60414175
>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxxr_national-geographic-inside-undercover-in-north-korea_news


holy shit
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>>60413969
>No they wouldn't. The massive army would stomp all over them and send to a labour camp for extermination. With an army so big and obedient, Kim doesn't need to fear his people or other commie generals.

The USSR collapsed, NK could as well if the people get too much economic power
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>>60413978
>NK is not a communist nation, it is a patriarchal lineage dictatorship

true
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>>60413834
What's wrong with having a nuclear program to deter aggressive countries from attacking you? Sure, in an ideal world each country would disarm but we're not living in an ideal world.

>>60413840
>I've not yet heard of USA abducting fishermen, ordinary citizens
Most people in Guantanamo were ordinary citizens, not charged with ANYTHING. Who knows how much worse it's with the numerous black sites.

Besides, illegal invasions and bombings of sovereign countries are much worse than kidnapping individuals. As threat for others, NK is a fucking joke compared to Murica.

>What happens with North Koreans is that they don't even see the money
Is there any proof for that? Or that they don't get any other boons for their work? Besides whether it's your economical situation that forces you to go abroad or it comes more directly from your own country, it's not THAT different.

>>60414019
Outside of extreme cases like 97 the situation isn't that different. Besides as a small country, they get affected by natural factors much more and some try to stop food aid for politics.
http://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters
(it's from 2016 so pretty recent)
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>>60413963
>says the person calling others retards even though he is the one who is wrong
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>>60414254
But I'm not wrong. It does work.
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>>60408569
You've seen it too
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>>60414001
>How the fuck do you know retard? You've never been there, & your only source of information is ((((((Wolf Blitzer))))) on CNN, who already lied to you about other non-ZOG countries like Iraq and Syria

There is not enough merchandise for the average person to own a computer if he "worked hard"

there are so many trade embargos on NK that no legit company that makes computers or cars or TVs or wristwatches or whatever can import them to NK and do business

Do you think there are apple stores there the average field laborer can go to?

also:

GDP per capita: 583.00 USD (2014)
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Did anyone catch those NK TV streams awhile back? A cameraman followed Kim around while he checked out NK infrastructure. It went on for hours like this with some cat lady screeching at the top of her lungs. I don't even remember USSR propaganda being this bad.
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>>60409511
>xenophobia
>phobia
It is't a phobia or fear if it's justified. Nice try Kim.
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>>60414043
>>Sure but how are their labor camps that different from the average private run prison? The accounts about the conditions of these are very limited.
>For one thing a private US prison lets cameras in and view the conditions of the inmates and all their charges and evidence against them is public record...
exactly
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>>60408982
Prove it happened before calling other people names - fuck off now
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>>60414085
>happy
>no desire to run away
Sounds like you haven't seen the video of that poor 23 year old girl starving in the rice fields

>Even their own soldiers are malnourished as fuck
Proud and independent sure, strong not so much.
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>>60413106
mad german stay mad, please
and don't come to the land of freedom, where you can actually say that holocaust is a lie
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>>60414082
>As much as the media would not like us to think so, Fatty Kim III has domestic political capital still. In fact the North Korean economy is better than it's ever been because he relaxed a lot of things. Type 'North Korea grow economy' into google news

Population: 25.16 million (2015) World Bank
GDP per capita: 583.00 USD (2014)

such growth

so economy

much leadership
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>>60414267
only with extensions. when someone is talking about "4chan" without bringing up extensions it's assumed that they aren't talking about extensions.
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>>60414251
>What's wrong with having a nuclear program to deter aggressive countries from attacking you? Sure, in an ideal world each country would disarm but we're not living in an ideal world.

what the fuck does that video have to do with a nuke program
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>>60414175
Cheers bruv, I'll check it out later.
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>>60408165

>filename
>cute
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>>60414363
>when someone is talking about "4chan" without bringing up extensions it's assumed that they aren't talking about extensions.
No it's not, I definitely wasn't in my statement. Besides, 4chan wasn't mentioned. Nobody was talking about "4chan".
My statement is correct.
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>>60414292
their TV is insane

and when you realize that's all people there are allowed to watch you know everything people say about life in NK is true
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>>60414344
>thinks everyone but third worlders want to go to US for more than tourism

>>60414352
>GDP per capita: 583.00 USD (2014)
Doesn't say shit without knowing their prices or how much the government provides.
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>>60414326
>not coordinating with other death camps for continuity
See I told you it was fake!
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>>60414402
you're delusional. here's your final (You).
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>>60414326
most of them were already killed before going to German death camps, learn some history from books, not from some silly blogs and YT movies with yellow subtitles
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>>60414305
Immigrants commit far less crime than US-born citizens.

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

http://www.businessinsider.com/immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-native-born-americans-trump-speech-2017-3

https://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2017/03/13/illegal-immigrant-crime-the-real-story-n2297890

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-myths-crime-number-illegal-immigrants
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>>60414421
Maybe you should've read the replies before trying to pull some 4chan implications out of your ass.
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North Korea shells South Korean city's for shits and giggles.
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>>60414414
>Doesn't say shit without knowing their prices or how much the government provides.

Yeah, TVs are 25cents and refrigerators are a nickle

you imbecile
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>>60414450
SK does the same senpai, they been at it since the armistice
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>>60414482
>SK does the same senpai

Nope, they don't.

But go ahead, prove it.
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>>60414196
>>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxxr_national-geographic-inside-undercover-in-north-korea_news

watch this shit and then come back and tell me how great life is in NK

>The lady who said she just wanted to get her sight back to see the photo of the general again

christ
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>>60414352
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/asia/north-korea-economy-marketplace.html?_r=0

Costs $60 a month to live in North Korea. They're doing exactly what old soviet countries did which is open up to private enterprise yet it's controlled enough to not be a free for all of oligarchies and capitalist crashes.

I still wouldn't want to live there but doesn't look 'hellish' to me. Venezuela looks more hellish, so does South Mississipi or one of the meth flyover states
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>>60414462
>wat is Purchasing Power Parity
Yeah, keep linking those muh feels docs from NatGeo
NK's GDP PPP it's 1800 USD as the CIA estimates it
There's no real way to know it, the CIA has an agenda and has always been biased, and the Norks are equally bad
Also see >>60414613, guess you're too dumb to understand how cost of living can be different in various countries, maybe your NatGeo doc didn't tell you that?
>>60414534
>watch muh feels propaganda
sure senpai
>The lady who said she just wanted to get her sight back to see the photo of the general again
>christ
The same happens in the Land of the Free, just replace general with whoever it's the current politician
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>>60414613
>average gdp per capita, 600 dollers
>it costs 700 dollars per year to live there

Kek
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>>60411382
don't get me wrong, but that's a really shity prison/camp.
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>>60408165
>flips open the laptop
>turns it on
>suddenly 10-tan
KNOWS NO BORDERS
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>>60414670
>>wat is Purchasing Power Parity?

A way for shitty slave labor country's to feel good about themselves.

Reminder that NK shells SK civilians for fun.
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>>60414670
>The same happens in the Land of the Free, just replace general with whoever it's the current politician
yeah no

troll harder
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damn DPRK has some cuties

it's a shame the world doesn't have access to them
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>>60414712
Fucking proprietary qt's
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>>60414694
Sure senpai, keep using Big Mac's and iPad's as a way to measure gross production
>>60414707
>yeah no, just ignore this people who donated their entire lifesavings to Bernie, and pardoned him giving away the nomination to Hillary
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>>60414670
>guess you're too dumb to understand how cost of living can be different in various countries, maybe your NatGeo doc didn't tell you that?

There is no country where the per capita GDP is 50bucks a month where there is a good average standard of living. You are fucking retarded

Considering the richest 10% control most of the wealth the average person is even worse off.

They are fucking starving over there anon

it's not a conspiracy that a country 100% cut off from the rest of the world with trade embargos on every good and service would be starvation ration tier
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>>60414747
>Sure senpai, keep using Big Mac's and iPad's as a way to measure gross production

PPP is not about directly measuring gross production brainlet, it's a comparison to actual nations.

Reminder that NK shells SK civilians for fun.
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>>60414450

Nope, they don't.

But go ahead, prove it.
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>>60414816
>But go ahead, prove it.

Absolutely!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong
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>>60414613
>Costs $60 a month to live in North Korea.

Yeah, Cell phones are a dollar and laptops are $2

Some things have an absolute value, you can't fucking live on $2 per day, get fucking real

I guess NK has to rely on food aid to the tune of hundreds of tons of food donated per year because they are so prosperous
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>>60414857
>for shits and giggles
lol ok
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>>60414613
>doesn't look 'hellish' to me.

You have never been there and tried to live on 60 dollars a month
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>>60414786
>They are fucking starving over there anon
They been starving for 20 years now, why do they still exist?
See, you're swallowing propaganda
>There is no country where the per capita GDP is 50bucks a month where there is a good average standard of living. You are fucking retarded
I never said they had great standards of living, but they aren't anywhere as bad as you believe they're
>Considering the richest 10% control most of the wealth the average person is even worse off.
The 0.1% in the US controls most of the wealth, that doesn't mean the average person is doing bad
>it's not a conspiracy that a country 100% cut off from the rest of the world with trade embargos on every good and service would be starvation ration tier
Yeah, just ignore that the USSR propped them up for decades, and that China took their place
Also ignore how they have special economic zones for SK companies, and how they trade with them
>>60414800
>PPP is not about directly measuring gross production brainlet, it's a comparison to actual nations.
>Gross Domestic Product (Purchasing Power Parity)
>not measuring gross production
Yeah, it's a way to measure gross production that can be used in comparisons, brainded brainlet
>>60414868
>Some things have an absolute value, you can't fucking live on $2 per day, get fucking real
Plenty of people in actual shitholes, like Africa and the worst parts of Mexico, live on 0.5 USD a day
Maybe you would know this if you weren't such a sheltered liberal swallowing decades old propaganda
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>>60414712
>you will never have a North Korean wife that you can show the luster of the free world to in her amazement
Trump when are we occupying NK to save the waifus from captivity?
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>>60414901
>>They are fucking starving over there anon
>They been starving for 20 years now, why do they still exist?

millions have died and don't exist

the rest are malnourished, the average NK teenager is several inches shorter than the average SK teen due to being malnourished
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>>60414927
trump won't do shit, he's too much of a pussy and the political climate outside of burgerland doesn't allow it. he wanted to oust assad and you see how that went.
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>>60414901
>Plenty of people in actual shitholes, like Africa and the worst parts of Mexico, live on 0.5 USD a day

>NK is only as bad as the worst parts of Mexico and Africa

you win anon, that is a great line of reasoning there, I didn't know you viewed being on par with the worst places on earth as good
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>>60414869
Being as their Casus belly was horseshit, I see no other way to describe it.
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>>60414196
>>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxxr_national-geographic-inside-undercover-in-north-korea_news

my god
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>>60414944
>millions have died and don't exist
This happened during natural disasters in the 90's that obliterated NK's farms, this compounded with the crisis in all the ex-COMECON countries following the collapse of the USSR and the Russian economic crisis of the 90's
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>>60414901
>brainlet removing words from my post

Kek
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>>60415004
>This happened during natural disasters in the 90's that obliterated NK's farms, this compounded with the crisis in all the ex-COMECON countries following the collapse of the USSR and the Russian economic crisis of the 90's

It is happening today, NK is a net importer of food and that food is donated by other nations because NK cannot feed their population or afford to buy food on the open market
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>>60415008
What words, braindead brainlet?
Let's see them, since you apparently forgot how to read
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>>60415041
Directly, my brainlet friend from a manlet led nation.
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>>60415038
gotta fund that nuke program and rockets though kek
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>>60415068
Rockets for firing at SK civilians
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>>60415038
>It is happening today, NK is a net importer of food and that food is donated by other nations because NK cannot feed their population or afford to buy food on the open market
Yes, this is because NK hasn't recovered completely from those natural disasters, and sanctions are imposed whenever the UN decides that it's better to ignore whatever terrorists the US is fueling today
>>60415066
You're in cognitive dissonance anon
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>>60414983
ok i'll pay your neighbor to blast propaganda speakers at you day and night since you don't mind
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>>60415106
>Yes, this is because NK hasn't recovered completely from those natural disasters, and sanctions are imposed whenever the UN decides that it's better to ignore whatever terrorists the US is fueling today

It's been 20 years anon, NK has been a shithole for like 50 years and it's not getting better

Not being able to feed your own people for 20 straight years with a $600 per capita GDP....pretty much proves it's as bad as people say it is
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>>60414974
>you win anon, that is a great line of reasoning there, I didn't know you viewed being on par with the worst places on earth as good
keked
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>>60415148
>It's been 20 years anon
With 10 years of natural disasters along with no one to trade since the west shunned any COMECON country
>NK has been a shithole for like 50 years and it's not getting better
NK was much better off than SK until the late 80's
So yeah, not only you get all your information from NatGeo propaganda docs, but you don't even know basic history about Korea
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>>60415111
Except the attack on SK civilians had nothing to do with the loudspeaker that has been off since 2006ish, save for a time when NK laid mines on the SK side of the boarder.
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>>60415200
>NK was much better off than SK until the late 80's

LOL NOPE CITATION NEEDED

WHAT BULLSHIT LOL
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>>60415106
>You're in cognitive dissonance anon

Not an argument.
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>>60415200
>NK was much better off than SK until the late 80's

this is what is known as a "lie"
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>>60415207
so what if civilians died they weren't the target

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike#Casualties
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>>60415200
Nukes or food. A tough choice only a for a nork.
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>>60415200
>With 10 years of natural disasters along with no one to trade since the west shunned any COMECON country

well is everything OK there and it only costs $60 a month to live well or are you admitting it's a starvation tier dictatorship shithole?
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>>60415200
>NK was much better off than SK until the late 80's
"alternative facts" strike again.
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>>60408582
>anime is illegal in best korea
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>>60415244
What does the US and Syria have to do with NK attacking SK civilians?
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>>60415299
who gives a fuck if NK "attacked" SK civilians in one incident which took place more than a decade ago?
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>>60408595
>Implying the first vessel shipping a korean-built nuke does not sink in international waters mysteriously and a US sub captain paints a mark on his boat.
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>>60414974
>you win anon, that is a great line of reasoning there, I didn't know you viewed being on par with the worst places on earth as good
That shows how ignorant and sheltered the other anon was, and no, Mexico isn't anywhere close to the worst places on earth, and there's plenty of places doing fine on Africa
>b-but muh CIA fueled cartel violence!
>>60415230
>see pic
>>60415237
>>60415275
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/6/1167928/-How-North-Korea-Fell-Behind-South-Korea-Part-1
One of the main criticisms against NK was how the richer North fell behind the poorer South, keep pretending to know anything about the history of the Korean penninsula though
But you could argue that it was until the late 70's, so you have that
>>60415257
It is when you have the worlds superpower trying to destroy you since your creation
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>>60408824


>fighting for a kernel of corn that a rat didn't fully digest and pooped out

ftfy, no lie
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>>60415330
>late 2010
>"more than a decade ago"

Kek, shit tier damage control.

Reminder that NK shells SK civilians.
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>>60415414
>see pic

I see where directly is no where in your statement. Thanks anon!
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>>60415518
That isn't removing words from what you said, dumb anon
Keep moving the goalposts and being unable to understand implicitness in statements
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>>60415414
>you don't know anything about the Korean peninsula even though I was wrong!

Asshurt response
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>>60415553
>brainlet did not address the point, gnashes is teeth in rage and confusion

Kek, keep it up
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>>60415563
>NK was never ahead of SK!
Yeah, keep moving the goalposts and resorting to adhoms
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>>60415588
>I have no point and need to grasp at random straws
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>>60415589
>p...please ignore that I was wrong!

Nope. One less beet for vasliy tonight :(
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then move you losers :3
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>>60415618
>much gnashing of teeth and beating on desk with worn shoe

I'm sorry anon, your attempts to change the argument and shitposting your way out of it has failed.
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>>60415644
>:3
how about you move back to redit
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>>60415635
Wrong were? The point was that NK was better off than SK for a while, and it's right
Keep moving the goalposts if you wish, but that doesn't mean you know jack shit about KNorth Korea, all your knowledge comes from the NatGeo doc and a few Youtube videos
>>60415680
But you are the one who succeeded at it, just look at all your replies
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>>60415710
>But you are the one who succeeded at it, just look at all your replies

Not an argument. At this rate he will starve! (((((((
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>>60415710
>Wrong were?

Oh, where you went from the late 80s to the late 70s. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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>>60415737
>not an argument
Could you go back to redit?
>>60415769
>strawmanning
Yeah, the range it's late 70's to late 80's, you can't really know since the information from North Korea isn't reliable, and estimates are estimates
But yeah, keep at those straws anon!
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>>60414286
GDP per capita is not a valid measurement of quality of life in a country set up like the DPRK. You can not possibly argue that CONGO has a better quality of life than the DPRK. That would be incredibly intellectually dishonest.
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>>60415792
>Could you go back to redit?

But that's where the communist apologists are! Those are your people!
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>>60415769
>NK has been a shithole for like 50 years and it's not getting better
This is what was the original argument, guess what year was 50 years ago? 1967
Guess what years late 70's entail?
It's elementary schooler math anon, or are you too much of an ADHD riddled faggot to keep your attention on a thread for longer than two or three posts?
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>>60415837
Keep projecting anon, I'm not being an apologist for NK, but the only thing worse than commies it's CIA
And the only thing worse than CIA are CIA communists, or what the modern day CIA is
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>>60415278
and that's a good thing
just another reason to be the best korea
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>>60415943
Anime isn't illegal in best Korea, however some of it is illegal in worst Korea
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>>60415839
I'm sorry, when did late 80s become late 70s?


Poor, poor wrong anon. Thread is autosageing putinbot, and you lost.

Nobody agrees with you, and your shilling is for nothing. Enjoy your last you, and most likely massive same fag. It won't matter, you lost.
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>>60415969
I agree with him.

fuck off CIA, you lost.
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>>60415938
Nah, CIA is far superior to commies.

CIA are shitty people, commies are animals.
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>>60415969
Good try paid JTRIG shill, try to kill yourself like all of your tranny coworkers did on the way out to reddit
And yeah, keep pretending that the original argument was that North Korea has never been better off than South Korea, one day moving the goalposts will work out for you
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>>60414292

You can watch their TV every day here: rtsp://121.167.43.161/chosun

I can't remember their broadcast times, but just check what time is it in DPRK, if it's daytime they're broadcasting.
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>>60415986
t. CIA
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>>60415979
>and most likely massive same fag.

Sorry, could not resist this pottery.

Reminder that every NK deserve free helicopter rides.

Page 6 now ))))
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>>60416017
t. Commie
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>>60416021
>muh free helicopters
You can't reuse /pol/ memes and pretend they work for your case, dumb tranny, and yeah good luck samefaging within 20 seconds fucking newfag
Also, friendly reminder that Pinochet wrecked the average Chilean with 40% unemployement rates, and still got wrecked by the 1982 Latin American debt crisis like all the other socialist LA countries did
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this thread literally has intelligence agency, kike and/or south korea shills

fucking cancer
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>>60416021
>everybody who disagrees with me is samefag bawwww :(

>>60416044
Commies were ""people"" trying to fuck everybody in europe a century ago and now are largely irrelevant.
CIA is """""""people""""""""" fucking everybody in the ass right now while trying to shift blame with tactics like LE GOMMIES

It's the whole reason this thread is here at all instead of where it belongs.
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>>60416086
>this thread literally has intelligence agency, kike and/or south korea shills
Probably a false flag to remove attention from the poor SK anon looking for encryption to safeguard himself from the feminist police and another term in jail
I hope SK anons eventually find their way into Japan, so they can enjoy their shitty lewd cartoons and obnoxious vidya
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>>60416086
Good, then leave north Korean nigger apologists. Real funny these threads starts when the head manlet throws his support behind fatty.

Enjoy your helicopter rides. >>60416076
Reminder that communists are not people and should be shot in the street like the degenerate dogs they are.

Proof is in their nigger actions. Shooting civilians, mining SK land shelling SK citys.
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>>60416108
>CIA is """""""people""""""""" fucking everybody in the ass right now while trying to shift blame with tactics like LE GOMMIES
Modern CIA it's commies, based Yuri "Subversion" Andropov told us decades ago, WL confirmed it
They still use le gommies card though, old habits never die
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>>60416108
Commies are active in NK and should be eliminated.

If CIA does it, who cares?
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>>60416127
>Reminder that Pinochet Apologists are not people and should be shot in the street like the degenerate dogs they are.
>Proof is in their nigger actions. Shooting civilians, throwing opposition out of helicopters, destroying their economy because some jews in Chicago told them to
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>>60416154
>there are communist parties in the USA and the CIA needs to eliminate them at all costs
wtf I love PRISM now
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>>60416137
Commies historically are the best removers of commies.

Therfore, it's only logical the CIA is commies.
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>>60416154
>Commies are active in NK and should be eliminated.
North Korea isn't communist, it's Juche
CIA pushed le gommies meme to reuse their red scare efforts against NK
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>>60416159
Oh look, a triggered commie!

Go make like your hero and starve to death.
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>>60416172
who remove CIA then?
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>>60414800
>Reminder that NK shells SK civilians for fun.
Does this with the half of the world, and got shitty police to kill ridiculous amount of their own fucking people.

>>60414868
>Some things have an absolute value
Yes and no. Tons of shit is so cheap during government subsidies even in the West. Prices got very little with the actual value of goods.

>>60414901
>Maybe you would know this if you weren't such a sheltered liberal swallowing decades old propaganda
Err, conservatives have a much bigger hate boner against NK due their claims to be socialists.

>>60415038
>open market
You mean manipulated by sanctions? Murica tried to kill Cuba with the "open market" too but they have much better conditions to be self sufficient when it comes to food.
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>>60414437
that's because mexicans aren't niggers (not so much)
that's why pajeets aren't niggers (not so much)
that's why russians aren't nigger (not so much)
the problem of america aren't guns, are niggers
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>>60416196
>Oh look, a triggered lolbertarian!
>Go make like your hero and starve to death.
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>>60409405
Kill yourself cuck. The Japanese are the White man's best friend, the rule of the Tokugawa made them wary of foreigners and because of this Japan is one of the safest countries in the world. I'd trade living in a peaceful country full of xenophobes than some divided, violent multicultural shithole with uncultured, obese and limp handshaking half niggers like you.
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>>60416179
>North Korea isn't *REAL* communist

Kek
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>>60416224
North Korea doesn't even pretend to call itself commie like Cuba eventually did, they always kept their distance from Marxism-Leninism, and from Marxism itself
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>>60416200
CIA.

Commies don't last.
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>>60416242
this
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>>60416222
>safest countries in the world
Non retarded gun laws help. Besides they are mostly suicidal workdrones who don't get laid. But hey, at least they aren't fat.
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>>60416269
>>60416242
>please don't call the "workers party of korea" communists!

Not.
Real.
Communism.
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>>60415792
>Yeah, the range it's late 70's to late 80's, you can't really know since the information from North Korea isn't reliable, and estimates are estimates

Actually the Nork GDP has been flat/going down since the early 1960s, South Korea surpassed the North in 1970 which was 47 years ago (anon said 50) and at the time both were third world nations or "shitholes" SK stopped being a shithole, NK never did

you are wrong about almost everything
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>>60416309
>*beats shoe on desk*

NO, NO, NO!!

DELETE THIS PROPAGANDA!
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>>60416298
They also call themselves a democratic republic.
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>>60416298
>worker = communist
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>>60415836
>You can not possibly argue that CONGO has a better quality of life than the DPRK.

It probably does, less starvation and repression of speech
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>>60416309
>what are sanctions
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>>60416338
>a communist country calling itself democratic and/or republic.

Checks out
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>>60416357
>westerner who has never lived in either country: the post
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>>60416281
Yes that's true their gun/drug laws do prevent a lot of violence but who cares if they're workdrones? They pick the life they want to pursuit, they are fully aware once they get hired by a company they are welcomed to a business family from whom they can't quit.The Japanese are also a lot more level headed than the average Westerner because life in Japan isn't chaotic. I mean for fucks sakes the same political party ruled Japan since WW2. You might not like them but lets face the facts, they are a lot better than us.
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>>60415839
>This is what was the original argument, guess what year was 50 years ago? 1967

he said it was a shithole 50 years ago not that SK had a lower GDP at some point,

NK was a shithole 50 years ago anon
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>>60416392
Yes anon, you lived in both the congo and NK!

You connoisseur of shit holes!
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>>60416429
you don't know shit

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13283212
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>>60416405
>They pick the life they want to pursuit
More of they are pushed into a certain life and work themselves to death while being ashamed to change something due social and cultural pressure. Or go totally crazy and hide at home.

>Japanese are also a lot more level headed than the average Westerner
True.

> the same political party ruled Japan since WW2
Doesn't speak well of their political participation and is similar to regimes like Russia or your African country of choice.

They have many positives but it's a pretty repressive society which few of them enjoy but are too meek to do something about.
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>>60416206
>>Some things have an absolute value
>Yes and no. Tons of shit is so cheap during government subsidies even in the West. Prices got very little with the actual value of goods.

You cannot afford electricity and nourishing food on $2 per day anon, NK does not subsidize a nice lifestyle for the majority of it's citizens, it cannot afford to.
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>>60416298
It's a patriarchal lineage dictatorship

never tried to be commie
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>>60416451
Tell us more about how you lived in both shitholes anon!
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>>60416509
Repeat after me....

Not. Real. Communism.
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>>60416373
>Sanctions were not in effect in the late 60s and early 70s anon

regardless the argument is the place is a shithole not why

>why are they sanctioning us for no reason?!?!?

yeah i wonder
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>>60416519
tell us more about your assumptions about things you know nothing about anon!
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>>60416490
>You cannot afford electricity and nourishing food on $2 per day
You don't have to if it's provided for free to you. We don't have enough info to tell how much they do subsidy.

>NK does not subsidize a nice lifestyle
Is wasting electricity at night or having 5 TVs really "nice lifestyle"? We'd have a much better chance dealing with climate change if we wouldn't live in excess as we do.

As for food, they seem to be doing "okay-ish": http://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters
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>>60416451
I would rather move to the Congo than NK any day
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>>60416561
>North Korea being a shithole is an assumption

Kek. Tell us more about how your lightless nation fares?
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>>60416405
Doesn't Japan have the highest suicide rate of any first world country?
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>>60416581
>"""""wasting electricity""""""
>IS POSTING ON 4CHAN

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>60416586
nice to know you're a literal negro then
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>>60416581
>You don't have to if it's provided for free to you. We don't have enough info to tell how much they do subsidy.
yes anon we do

you just don't want to hear about it
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>>60416615
A-at least my room is dark.

>>60416636
Where? I didn't follow the entire thread.
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>>60416538
It's not even fake communism you twit

It's a dictatorship plain and simple and power is passed from father to son. Was Iraq communist under Saddam?
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>>60416671
Anon, I know it's hard but repeat after me!

Not. Real. Communism.
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>>60416664
Kim, we all know you keep the lights on in pingpongang
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>>60416411
>NK was a shithole 50 years ago anon
You could argue that eveywhere was a shithole at any point in history since they didn't had iPads with this logic
>>60416702
>I will repeat myself 5ever and it will become truth
North Korea has never pretended to be communist, the only people who classify it like that it's the CIA
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>>60416581
>http://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters

Table ?. Chronic and Acute Malnutrition-

2012: 27 percent of the population suffers from sever malnutrition and stunted growth

yeah they are doing great anon
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>>60416723
>NOT
>REAL
>COMMUNISM
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>>60416702

dictatorships are not necessarily communist anon
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>>60416746
Compare it to other developing countries, not the first world.
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>>60416723
>war torn nation was a shithole

Yes. It was. The problem was it never recovered.

It is, was, and will forever be a shithole.
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>>60416723
>You could argue that eveywhere was a shithole at any point in history since they didn't had iPads with this logic

North Korea has been a 3rd world country for 50 years and it's getting worse and people there are malnourished and starving and living under an oppressive dictatorship

ipads have nothing to do with it
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>>60416600
you're assuming that congo isn't less of a shithole
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>>60416749
Not real communism it's used to defend communism, no ones defending communism here anon, see >>60416766
Maybe you will stop spazzing out if you leave this thread, you're breaking down
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>>60416613
No I can name a few countries with higher suicide rates from Europe but I wouldn't lie and say they don't have a problem with suicide rates.
>>60416485
Japan's dominant political parties lacked diversity because the country was stable, it only changed once briefly because of an economic decline. But I'd disagree with Japan being repressive. You're viewing Japan from your individualistic Western mindset into a heavily collectivist society. Are they sexually repressed? Definitely not. Are they intellectually repressed? No again and this might be because the spread of repressive religions like Christianity being stopped. Their society is complex but I don't see them as repressed just more reserved, shameful and happen to also show respect to authorities (probably again something learned under the Tokugawa rule)
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>>60416810
*is
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>>60416767
>Compare it to other developing countries, not the first world.

NK is not developing anon, it's regressing

life expectancy is going down
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>>60416826
>life expectancy is going down
same goes for burgeristan
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>>60416810
They are both shit.

I fail to see a reason why it's important if one is slightly less shitty than the other.
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>>60416869
learn to follow a conversation. oh wait you're probably the youtube embed sperglord so you'll choose not to learn.
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>>60416864
Wrong

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/08/u-s-life-expectancy-varies-by-more-than-20-years-from-county-to-county/?utm_term=.1ac1c1eca6fa
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>>60416896
>washingtonpost
555-come-on-now

quit spamming your shitty "news" everywhere on 4chan
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>>60416895
Oh yeah, somebody said it's silly to think the Congo is better than NK, and another disagreed.

They are both defacto shitholes, im asking why it matters if one is ever so slightly better than the other.
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why is this in g
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>>60416931
literal psyops, anon
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>>60416927
>im asking why it matters
you're on 4chan. why does any of this matter?
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>>60416914
I'm sorry, here.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm
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>>60416955
It's in the category of shit that don't matter in the place where arguments that don't matter.

In other words, contextually it's irrelevant to whatever point any anon is trying to push.

Being better or worse than either nation is like second to last or last in the special Olympics.
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>>60416826
Outside of the famine times from 97-98 it actually has an upwards trend, now it's level with Russia and above a (future) world power like India ... which isn't something to take pride in but hardly dystopian.

>>60416820
> You're viewing Japan from your individualistic Western mindset into a heavily collectivist society.
Which makes sense since collectivist societies are inherently more repressive for everyone who doesn't conform.

>Are they intellectually repressed?
They are by design. Remember the initiative to cut off humanities from universities?

Christianity only remains repressive in countries where it's taken overly serious like Murica, or Africa. In West Europe they don't have much say.

>>60416896
>some places in a fucking first world country have a life expectancy similar to NK
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>>60408165
the stuff isn't actually for sale; documentarians have gone into stores with enough cash to buy perfumes and iPads and stuff, only to be told that they couldn't buy it
it's just to give the impression that the country is normal
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>>60416996
>>some places in a fucking first world country have a life expectancy similar to NK

Some places in NK are far below their average. I fail to see how outliers matter?
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>>60414534
>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxxr_national-geographic-inside-undercover-in-north-korea_news

this is some crazy shit right here
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>>60417043
It's literally western propaganda you FUCKING CIA SHILL.
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>>60416996
>Outside of the famine times from 97-98 it actually has an upwards trend, now it's level with Russia

No it's not, 27% of the people in Russia are not suffering from severe malnutrition and stunted growth.

Russia allows its citizens to come and go from the country, Russia allows it's citizens to use the internet and converse with the outside world.

The average income in Russia is like $25,000

see >>60416746
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>>60417079
different fag but I've caught myself watching, for example, (((Wolf Blitzer))) reporting from Pyongyang or Moscow and saying "LOOK AT ALL THE PROPAGANDA THEY SHOVE IN PEOPLE'S FACES" only to realize that we do the exact same shit all the time. air force giving weapons / airplanes to towns so they can put them on display, the absurd displays of national pride, daily pledge of allegiance at schools, etc
we're so used to it that it doesn't seem out of the ordinary, but if they do it in another country we call them out lol
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>>60417079
>Documentary filmed under the watch of Nork minders who are careful to let NK only be filmed at its best, records daily life

how is this propaganda
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>>60417158
he's saying that the documentarians are purposely painting a grim picture for North Korea and that it's in fact a totally great place to live
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>>60417130
tbqh none of that isn't anywhere close to how fucked the elections were
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>>60416309
BTFO
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>>60417187
This.

>>60417158
Because it is you retard/shill.
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>>60417187
>he's saying that the documentarians are purposely painting a grim picture for North Korea and that it's in fact a totally great place to live
All they are doing in the documentary is going around talking to north koreans and trying to give them free eye surgery.

The way you can see the government controlling them in every day life is insane, all anyone is allowed to do is praise the leaders, nobody can leave the country and the people are poor as all shit

what about this is up for debate or untrue?
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>>60417127
We're talking about the average life expectancy now. Obviously in other things they are more limited.
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>>60417196
you gotta recognize though: AP did that in response to 24-hour news channels airing trump rallies / interviews at full length with no commentary and without doing any fact checking. nobody from CNN called him out on his bullshit throughout the campaign because he was a ratings goldmine, and only now is the rest of the industry trying to play catchup
and honestly do you get your news from AP? cuz if not, why the fuck do you care if they were fact-checking him
he's not the only candidate who has been called out for his lies, pretty much every candidate is
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>>60417287
Western shills CIA nigger detected
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>>60417287
I didn't make the "western propaganda" post famalam
my point is that some people have a skewed view of the issue in north korea (or Syria, Israel/Palestine, south china sea, whatever) and I don't think >>60417158 he realized it
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>>60417296
The amount of lies Trump told is exceptionally even for a politician. Besides most called him out on the bullshit but yeah, he's making life too easy for journalist to ignore.
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>>60417290
>We're talking about the average life expectancy now. Obviously in other things they are more limited.

The Russians drink themselves to death to have such a low life expectancy, the North Koreans starve

"almost as good as Russia" is not good when talking about this metric
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>>60417296
AP called out on a truth Trump said, most of the media tried to pretend Trump was wrong all the time, going as far as contradicting themselves
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>>60417358
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>>60417378
Hillary's a classic, the strawmanning was ridiculous
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>>60417342
that's the thing though; until he won the nomination, NOBODY did, except lefty sources like Huffington Post or Mother Jones
the tone changed once they realized that their complacence could actually get him elected

I kinda wish the FBI had announced that the email scandals were part of a hacking scandal and that it should be ignored (like the governments in Denmark and France have done in the last few months after their own pro-EU candidates were hacked), but how can you say that without half of the country assuming that it's a fucking coverup
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>>60417347
Drinking is not even top 5 cause of death if I recall it right. Yes it's a major factor but not THAT decisive.

What about India that has even 2 years lower?
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>>60417392
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>>60417358
you're right; they played damage control AFTER trump won the nomination
look at the timestamps on all of your posts
you gigantic fuccboi
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>>60417432
**won the republican primary
>>
>>60417399

It’s difficult to overstate how serious Russia’s alcohol problem is.
More than 30% of all deaths in Russia in 2012 were attributable to alcohol, according to WHO data crunched by the OECD. That’s by far the highest among the nations it tracked.

https://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-death/
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>>60417396
The government in France has a specific rule about it, neither party is allowed to do shit. Without that, and given how Americans LOVE conspiracies, there wasn't much to do. Though FBI didn't have to be so public about it in the first place.
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>>60417444
lol look into their heroin problem
southern russia is fucked, no wonder people convert to Islam
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>>60417432
Yeah, because before the primary the DNC was pushing him with the idea that such an extremist candidate would alienate the republicans
Wikileaks published the docs early this year
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>>60417399
India has sanitation and access to healthcare issues

what this has to do with NK i have no idea "not the worst in one metric" is that what you are going for?
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>>60417480
More of "pretty respectable for a developing country". They can't all be Cuba.
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>>60417474
of course they did; they wanted Ted Cruz to win, because it would've been a classic aging hippie liberal douche (Hillary) versus pissed-off white-trash redneck conservative (Ted Cruz)
trump's a wildcard
and stop going to Wikileaks, those guys are on Russian payroll
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>>60417480
India needs to stop propping up its 1% and start taxing the shit out of everybody
their infrastructure is horrible
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>>60417518
>and stop going to Wikileaks, those guys are on Russian payroll
t. totally not CIA nigger
Way to oust yourself dumb mentally ill nigger monkey, go back to gorging those hormones, you will eventually realize you will never be a cute girl and kill yourself
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>>60417544
"really activated my almonds" would have sufficed
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>>60417500
>More of "pretty respectable for a developing country". They can't all be Cuba.

The country is not developing

People are not allowed to read foreign media of any kind or leave the country, 27% of the population is malnourished to the point it causes stunted growth, their insane leader gives no fucks and builds nukes to threaten real countries with, living there is like living in a prison where you can only watch state TV and never say anything bad about the government or they will fuck you; these are the issues with North Korea. The issue is not whether or not the average person lives 1.5 years longer than an Indian.
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>>60417623
do you know about the black market for foreign TV shows on flashdrives? when people are in front of cameras, they're pretty compliant. behind closed doors, they do whatever the fuck they want
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>>60417658
>when people are in front of cameras, they're pretty compliant. behind closed doors, they do whatever the fuck they want

Defectors say this is not true and that you have to be careful what you say because a family member or co worker or neighbor can report you and get you sent to prison.

>people have to break the law to watch TV

neat

I wonder what they are plugging those flash drives into given they earn 60bucks a month and there are no TVs for sale anywhere
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>>60417706
good question! apparently DVD players are really easy to get and totally legal, and they have USB ports on them that can be used for watching video files / listening to music

a followup National Geographic documentary from a few years ago showed day-to-day life in smaller North Korean towns
apparently people running blackmarket stalls argue that they have no other way to make enough money to survive, and cops don't bash heads or anything
being insubordinate won't get you thrown in jail, but if you badmouth the political system, you're dead
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What is with the North Korea shills in here.

There is nothing you would like about life in NK if you had to live there, get fucking real.

What about North Korea is good in any way?
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>>60417760
>falling for le epic troll post xD
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based kim jong the second nuking degenerate burgers best day of my life
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>>60417623
Nobody is saying it's great but you can easy name couple of huge problems for every country sans the West European ones.
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>>60417757

sounds wonderful
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>>60417805
>Nobody is saying it's great but you can easy name couple of huge problems for every country sans the West European ones.

Yeah, for instance in the USA we have too much cheap food and are getting fat, that's a problem.

since we have that problem and NK has the problem of starvation and killing people for bad mouthing the government or trying to leave....

well it's basically equal! We both have problems and thus they are the same!
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>>60417816
it sucks, but this idea that north koreans are mindless drones who don't keep up with korean dramas or realize how shitty their country is is fucking retarded
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>>60417870
>it sucks, but this idea that north koreans are mindless drones
nobody thinks that, we just think they are oppressed and living in a nightmarish totalitarian regime
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>>60417760
>What is with the North Korea shills in here.
>There is nothing you would like about life in NK if you had to live there, get fucking real.
>What about North Korea is good in any way?

free AK47s
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>>60417866
>we have too much cheap food and are getting fat, that's a problem.
Artificially cheap unhealthy food. Also gun violence. Imprisonment of the population that makes regimes blush. Pretty much no access to healthcare for poorfags soon. Reproductive rights. Racial tensions, violent police force, etc, etc, etc
Relative to first world countries US of A looks worse than NK looks compared to developing ones.

Nobody says that the live quality is equal, it can't be with the economic disparity but comparing NK to most developing countries, it's pretty similar minus some freedoms and the right to move the fuck out. They also obviously lag at the "developing" part.
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>>60418030
>Relative to first world countries US of A looks worse than NK looks compared to developing ones.
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>>60418079
not an argument
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>>60418079
>posting an image will change it
How many Burgers murdered each other or got murdered by their police while we were shitposting?
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>>60417882
not a fan of the country, but at least there's some relative safety
as opposed to living in east africa or the congo, where like 80% of the country is run by continually morphing rebel factions made up of cannibalistic Rwandan warlords
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