So, how are you liking your Ryzen CPU, /g/? I'll be getting

I like gaming so i dont have one

>>60391268
It's great, it's significantly improved my compile times and it no longer sounds like there's a jet turbine in the room (I came from a 220W FX-9590). NVMe support's nice, the speed improvement isn't astounding but it is noticeable, especially on Windows.

Great upgrade from my 2500K to 1700, set for the next 4-5 years :)

>>60391280

>muh pc gayms!!!

Stay virgin based virgin bro

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>>60391268
Ryzen is a monster at productivity tasks. I got a 1700 + ab350 mobo for $400.

Also the CPU-Z sucks. Look at my "voltage", for an example. it's 1.1v

>>60392804
same here.
expecting to do a CPU+RAM upgrade at the end of AM4's life cycle and be good for up to a decade in total.

>>60392821
Shiz, any other programs to monitor the cpu?
I too got a 1700 +AB350m for about $415

Very happy with my purchase

>>60391280
Go to >>>/v/ then, this place isn't for you.

>>60392820
>mocks gamers
>spends 3 hours a day tweaking his i3wm config and fixing his thinkpad keyboard

Stay virgin based virgin bro

>>60391268
It's honestly changed my life. I didn't even know computers could do half the shit I do now that I'm not dragging swamp ass with 4 cores. I've learned more advances program because IDE responsiveness is up, compile times are way way down. Had my first contribution accepted into the Linux Kernel in fact. Video editing so like using paint now, subs on my YouTube channel keep going up thanks to better waiting and the move to 4K. The ability to now use a many VMs as I need is bonkers as well, my cross platform app development is speeded up tenfold. I have many revenue streams going full throttle all thank yo my decision to finally get a real computer this go. Life us changing, don't be in the slow lane fellow anons.

>>60392854
Fucking this. /g/ is for counter-culture nerds who want to row row fight da powah by purchasing overpriced, inefficient budget hardware and have the time to complicate their lives by using things like Linux for desktop.

If you want things that work well and typically use common sense, get the fuck off /g/ immediately and get back to reggit or something.

>>60391268
I like it so far, got a 1600 running stock and wraith cooler and I barely go over 50C during my usual workload. I might overclock it and switch to an AIO later on though, get it running even quieter than now.

I'm not a beta tester for broken platform and rushed cpus.

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>>60391268
its pretty good

1700 is probably the best purchase i've ever done. compile times are rocking. huge speedup in IDEs. multiple VMs literally work perfectly

>>60392852
I've found speccy doesn't want to list my CPU temps despite BIOS listing it just fine, hell it doesn't even want to list the actual name either just says 14nm AMD

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>>60391268
I got a R7 1700 about a week ago
Great CPU. Mine does 4ghz @ 1.365v.
Much faster than the 6700k it replaced in workstation task and better 1% amd .1% lows in games.

>>60392928
Exactly. This Ryzen launch has been a shitshow with OCing RAM, shitty mobos, and so on.

I'll probably upgrade my 6700k to Ryzen 3 or Intel's equivalent if it is better for my tasks.

>>60391268
It's worth jumping from FX 8320 to a R7 or a R5? ga-78lmt-usb3 is not compatible with Ryzen, right?

Ab350m + 1600x here. Very happy with my purchase.

>>60392969
First we get the Ryzen.
The we make the money.
Then we get the chicks.

>>60392988
>what are bios updates?
I can oc my ram to 3200mhz now thanks to UPDATING, which no one seems to do aka ranware bullshit.

>>60392999
You will need a AM4 motherboard and DDR4 ram to got to Ryzen. The R5 1600 would be a big upgrade. OCs nicely to. Just be certain to get a b350 or x370 board if you want to OC.

>>60391268
better get the 1700X instead if you want the magic 4.0ghz, multiple reports of the 1700 not making the magic 4.0ghz mark.

>>60393107
only for 16gb
32/64gb support is still shit.

My 1500X is working out nicely.

>>60393326
I have 32gb

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>this is the power of Adobe products in 2017

>>60393326
why spread misinformation like that?

>>60392976

Same here, got a 1700 and AB350 and was wondering why Speccy didn't read CPU temps

>>60391268
1700 was a massive upgrade over my 6300. used to get a lot of hitching and halting in games and windows and such, now no more.

>>60393553
welcome to the stutter-free side

>>60391268
I heard that Windows 7 is not supported on this platform. Is this a case of "it'll work despite the manufacturer saying otherwise" or "no, seriously don't buy ryzen with windows 7"?

>>60392844
>expecting to do a CPU+RAM upgrade at the end of AM4's life cycle and be good for up to a decade in total.
I'm banking on this too. I got a mobo a bit more expensive than I really needed (Taichi) hoping that the BIOS updates for the new CPUs won't fuck us up.

>>60393601

I had a different experience, as soon as I got my 1700 games started stuttering like shit, until I disabled CPU parking. Everything perfect after that

Loving my 1700X. Been encoding video like I'm being paid to. I have an almost 3TB collection of blurays and DVDs and my old i7 would take close to 5 hours to encode a single 1080p rip with the super HQ preset in handbrake. Now I'm getting that same encode done in 2 hours or less. All while also getting less heat output and noise. (89C under encoding load with i7, 61C under encoding load with 1700X. Using same cooler, fan, and inside same case)

>>60393611
It might install on the hardware via some backdoor methods, but there is a strong chance drivers are going to be acting up all the time.

>>60391268
ryzen 1700 owner here, it will satisfy all your fetishes

>>60392943
Anyone on a 1600 or 1600X overclocked can show me how it does on the CPU-Z test?

>>60393636
I have an Asrock ab350 Gaming K4 they update their bios very often. their newest one is very stable

>>60393611
>http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx
>Supports Windows 10/8.1/7 (32 & 64-bit)
AMD released official ryzen drivers for 7.

So it's neither of those.

>>60393669
>l I disabled CPU parking.

well you should be aware by now that latest chipset drivers installs and defaults a new power setting called Ryzen BalancedTM in your power options by default which fixes this as well

>>60393690
cpu-z tests aren't a good measurment in my opinion.

i tend to do a stress test for ours on a 3,7ghz overclock for 30 minutes but when i started Prey which has good core utilisation, the game crashed multiple times until i set it back to default

>>60393669
i didn't get stutter even with parking enabled so idk

>>60393707

If that's the case how comes stuttering stopped as soon as I disabled parking?

>>60393766
because you didn't install the latest chipset and just put the powerplan manually to high performance maybe

>>60391268
I have a 1600 on win 7 and it is a beauty.

>>60393718
I'm not talking about stress testing. I just want a reference to know how single threaded performance will change from my i5-3570K @ 4.5Ghz to my new 1600X @ 4.0Ghz

>>60391280
Enjoy you s-s-s-stutterfest

>>60393508
Sounds like it's the motherboard

>>60393801
considering i was using a xeon 1231v3 which has almost same ipc, i'd say that your ipc is improved by 10% on the ryzen and you have 8 additional virtual cores and less stuttering in games as well due to the architectural behaviour of instructions

>>60391268
I wish they were selling the 1700 without a fucking fan

>>60391268
1500x is serving me pretty well

>>60393831
why would you think that? Speccy hasn't been updated since they added Kaby Lake support last year, of course it wouldn't show Ryzen properly.

>>60393844
but the fan is what makes it great

>>60391280
fpbp

Ryzen is shit, I'm not dumb enough to buy one

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My whole Ryzen build is waiting there in a corner for the free Cryorig AM4 upgrade kit.

It's awesome that you're giving the kits for free but hurry the fuck up please!!

>>60393858
but I don't want one

>>60393328
yeah im pretty surprised as to how good it is

Should I get a rizen
I've been looking into upgrading since I'm still using a first gen bulldozer

>>60392890

>all this implying

Stay mad virgin bro

>>60393982
If you have the money and use case, sure. What do you do with your PC that youre thinking of upgrading? The original bulldozer series was complete garbage. But if all you're doing is shit posting and watching Chinese cartoons, it's plenty. My little sister is still using the fx-4100 and GT210 build I cobbled together without issue. All she does is play Minecraft, social media, and use chrome for Netflix on Linux.

>>60393107
The fact that you have to OC your RAM the biggest pain in the ass (unless you are using an XMP profile) is something I don't want to deal with.

>>60394069
>a few clicks is a pain in the ass

>>60394069
Intel doesn't support 3200MHz either though.

>>60394069
you mean just like intel? or do you run 1333mhz ddr3/2133mhz ddr4 on your system?

>>60394069
>The fact that you have to OC your RAM
Why do so many autist keep saying this?
There is 0 need to OC the RAM, it's a plus that is available to you
The R5 1600 & R7 1700 still shit on anything intel with 2133MHz RAM, but you can shit on it even more with higher frequency ram

>>60394282
>Why do so many autist keep saying this?
>MUH GAMES

Times are changing, faster ram speeds makes their games run faster.

>>60392896
That's funny but really is PyCharm/whatever JetBrains IDE working snappier with moar cores?

>>60394353
>Times are changing
and gamer retards are finally beginning to get a surface level understanding of their hardware and the fact that they actually have to overclock their ram to get the rated speeds.

i don't even want to imagine the number that bought 3200mhz ddr4 and still have it running at 2133 because they didnt enable the xmp profile

>>60394496
Had this experience with a friend, finally convinced him to just change the settings in the BIOS. Took some convincing that he was losing a lot of bite by running at standard speed.

Fuck those DDR4 prices, though.

>>60394589
>Fuck those DDR4 prices, though.
tfw a kit i bought for $180 during black friday is now $260

>>60391268
>So, how are you liking your Ryzen CPU, /g/?
Best shit
10/10

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>tfw found really good deal for a 3600mhz 16gb kit for 140 but not telling /g/ where it is because I don't want it to run out of stock before I can buy it

>>60393718
>cpu-z tests aren't a good measurment in my opinion.
The stress test is a quick way to see if its even close to being stable, however.

>>60395088
not in my case then..

>>60393888
The stock AM3 cooler with heatpipes will work if you have one.

>>60393888
/r/amd is doing exchanges so you don't have to wait as long

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who here is genuinely happy that AMD got their shit together?
I once abandoned the AMD ship after Athlon 64, then Phenom II in favor of Ivy Bridge, but I really hope Ryzen will put some fear in intel, even though I don't plan on upgrading any time soon.

>>60395198
Me. I was with AMD since phenom 2 days. Fell for the faildozer hype. Then got myself a piledriver based PC. Overclocking the piss out of those chips made them OK. Ended up going with Intel after my motherboard gave up. Sold off my Intel setup as soon as I saw Ryzen wasn't shit.

>Fear into Intel
Already done as far as mainstream market. Why do you think that as soon as Ryzen was making 8+ threads the norm for sub $350, Intel announced their coffee lake/ skylake-e will have 6 threads being the norm? Naples for servers will only make things worse. Only thing I can see Intel doing is keeping a vice grip on OEMs via bribes.

>>60395198
I am. Not planning on buying one (have a LGA1366 Xeon in my X58). But I'm glad that they're finally putting out something competitive. Just helped a friend put together a new B350 & 1600X system and he's thrilled with it.

>>60395198
I am. I like to have any alternative to having a dick in my anus. I don't really need an upgrade now so I'll wait until DDR4 becomes cheaper.

>>60395198
I'm happy not because I'm planning to get one just yet (staying with my 2500k for the time being as it has yet to fail my demands) but competition is healthy to foster further advancements.

>>60391280
I'll take -5 average fps in exchange for +20 minimum fps, thanks

anyone buying intel right now, gaming or not, is an idiot tbqh

>>60393611
Microsoft tried to scare people by telling them they wouldn't be able to run win7 on new cpu's

microsoft lied
Microsoft lied because they want people to switch to win10 and scaring them off win7 is one of the tactics they chose to use to that end

intel shills will furthermore try to claim ryzen won't work on win7 to scare win7 users away from ryzen.

in reality AMD has official driver support for win7 and you aren't going to run into any problems, and even before AMD had official drivers, motherboard manufacturers already had unofficial drivers

>>60395741
oh no microsoft want to encourage people to upgrade to a modern browser and not stay on an old, ugly, slow/bloated, vulnerable pile of shit that was always just a glorified vista service pack.

>>60395756
>browser
os*

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>>60391268
extremely happy with my r7 1700X
i haven't even needed to do the bios updates or tweak my ram latencys
>feelsgoodman

>>60393801
cpu-z changed their benchmark recently because ryzen was doing too good
now ryzen is properly behind intel again

don't use cpu-z as a benchmark, they're garbage, so is the userbenchmarks benchmark, so is passmark

The best benchmark you're going to get (e.g. nvidia/intel aren't fucking it up with bribe money) is something you legitimately already do or use, and then compare that specific software performance between the two. Don't use synthetic benchmarks. If AMD ever does well in a synthetic benchmark it's only a short time before it gets "fixed" so intel's in the lead again.

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>>60391268
I've been waiting(tm) for Whitehaven/Threadripper HEDT so I can just spin off a 4 or 6 core VM for gaming and keep everything else chugging along in a non-botnet environment.

It'll take a miracle for even 12c SL-X to compete, and I don't think they'll be able to charge $1700+ for their top end chip this time.

>>60395756
your an idiot t b h

>>60395840
(You)

>>60395107
I'm talking about the Cryorig H7.

>>60395140
Sweet. Thanks for the heads up. But... exchanges for what?

>>60395800
You think Prime95 is a good test?

I can't really quantify stuff like opening an IDE or compiling my code, since it changes all the time.

>>60395898

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6b0ru2/some_guy_sent_me_an_am4_bracket_free_of_charge/

>>60395915
I don't think any synthetic benchmarks are worth jack shit

prime95 is for stress testing an overclock and nothing else as far as I'm concerned

>>60396005
I don't get it... he got the H7 bracket from a dude and is forwarding it to someone else? What was the purpose of him getting the bracket in the first place?

>>60396070
because they take too long to ship

>>60392943
..holy fuck. brb getting Ryzen.

I'm thinking about getting a 1600 for my Plex server and media center.

I might even throw in an RX480 for some light vidya

>>60391268
I wanna get a 1500x to replace my a10-5800k

am I screwing up?

>>60396537
Oh, so the dude that received them was waiting for the Cryorig package and as soon as he received it he forwarded it. Is that right?

>>60396765
Yea

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>>60393690
Got you senpai. It's stock with 3200 ram.

>>60391268
tps://discord.gg/JzKrznx

>>60391280
>Oh no, now I won't be able to run CSGO at 500FPS!!

>>60393705
>>60395741
Thank you both

>>60396799
you should compare it to an i5 7600, it's direct competition

>>60396934
In addition, someone made a patch last month that re-enables Windows Update availability if you're running on a Ryzen/Kaby system. I'm sure Microsoft will find a way to undo the patch, but it's all just part of their over-aggressive push to move as many people as possible on to W10.

>>60396901
>damn I just ordered a 1000hz monitor, guess I have to return ryzen.

Question.
Would a 2 x 8 GB 3000 mhz kit of DDR4 work with Ryzen? From my understanding, it just would not run at it's full speed? So for example, 2933 mhz?
I have a spare kit, and I wouldn't mind making use of it. I would also be open to OCing it to 3200 mhz, if possible.

>>60397974
Current it's hard to get over 2600MHz on any Ryzen and is very random based on kit & motherboard
You should use your spare kit because the performance boost is not worth buying another kid unless you're going for high end performance

>>60396799
Breddy good! I kinda wanted to check how a 4Ghz 1600 or 1600X does though.

>>60392943
At what clock did you run that test?

>>60397989
>You should use your spare kit because the performance boost is not worth buying another kid unless you're going for high end performance
Yeah, I don't mind giving it a try. I was mainly wondering if it will just even boot. lol

>>60391268
I sold my 7700k for 100 bucks just to move quickly and get my ryzen. It's made work fun again I'm getting a phatbonus at work thanks to productivity boosts now I have more confidence and even sex with the wife is better. Dude i bought $800 worth of amazon gift cards as a way to "preorder" THREADRIPPER I'm so excited right now. Life changes when you go red and that's doin the needful.

Most of you have the 1700 but does anyone have the 1800x? Fry's has the 1800x for only $100 more today and I was wondering if it was worth it.

>>60398314
1800x is the same as r7 1700 but with higher clock
It's only if you want high 4.1GHz clock on 8 cores

>>60394069
>Can't even overclock RAM on intel
>idiots complain about being able to overclock RAM on AMD if they want to

Intel and Nvidia marketing is fucking amazing

>>60398497
what do you mean can't overclock ram?

What's cooling like on ryzen?
I usually go balls to the wall overclocking. But it seems like I will get 4ghz no matter what so might as well get a budget air cooler?

>>60394069
>AMD has the option of RAM OC for more performance while Intel yields no performance increase
>somehow this is a bad thing

>>60398548
150niggawatts at 4ghz

you need a good cooler even though it doesn't overclock much

>>60398548
Air cooled, passive on my 1800. Can hit 4.2GHZ

>>60398580
150 watts isn't that much was thinking a cryorig h7 or something. Was orignally gonna get one of those dual 140 aios. I'm on a custom loop now.
>>60398594
>4.2ghz
>passive

Fucking what?

>>60398551
Isn't really a good thing or bad thing desu

>>60398551
I do find it strange the processor can yield better performance like that. I never heard of a CPU being like this before. Or at least a recent one.

>>60398675
Big sink, big case, Silicon Lottery

>>60398782
What heatsink?
Never heard of anything past a low end part being successfully passive cooled. Let alone an overclocked 8 core.

>>60397974
The FlareX 32GB DDR4 RAM kit from Gskill runs 3200MHz with the proper MoBo+R7 stock.

>>60398763
I've heard it from APUs with no gddr5. But this us odd.

>>60398763
>>60398822
different architecture, different bottlenecks.

It just means AMD CPUs crave bandwidth like their GPUs

>>60398194
Stock

>>60398803
http://www.silentpcreview.com/SilverStone_Heligon_HE02

Runs hot but meh

>>60396901
Will never understand this argument. CSGO still runs at over 200-250 FPS in most cases even with a non-OCd Ryzen, at 1080p maxed. Even if you have a 144hz screen, which only a minority do anyway, as long as you're getting more than 144 at all times, you're golden. Furthermore, Ryzen gives you even more stable FPS than Intel, meaning you'll never drop below those 144, no matter what you have running in the background.

Even in CSGO, getting Ryzen isn't a bad deal at all. This argument is really fucking stupid.

>>60398896
Not him but these days i buy a cpu for longevity. I remember this same logic being applied when i bought my 8350. I thought as long as I'm getting over 60 for gaming who cares. Rendering and encoding were a big draw and i naively thought games would become better multithreaded. Now i am legitimately bottlenecked gaming at 1440p occasionally. Even at 5ghz. Where as my 2700k contemporaries are not.

>>60397974
Depends a lot on your RAM+Motherboard. Some people can run over 2600, some can't. Motherboard patches have been continuously increasing compatibility in the past couple months.
My Gigabyte B350 G3 could push 2933MHz out of my G.Skill TridentZ CL15 3000MHz, by only toggling the XMP option in the board. Some people have to go through some hoops to get good frequencies, maybe even having to adjust their timings. A fraction still can't do shit about it. It's new technology and still getting tuned.

>>60398896
>>60398920
That being said I'm still gonna get ryzen because 5 years until gaming bottleneck is good enough for me given the rendering /encoding performance. But i can see the appeal to pure gamers.

>>60398933
Does chipset matter at all?

>>60398920
Those are very different cases though. The 8350 was already shit in single threaded performance, where Ryzen compared to current high end Intel offering is at most 5% worse. The difference back then was noticeable, right now, it is not, unless you use fringe cases like CSGO.
I wasn't even talking about that regardless. I was merely stating that the difference in FPS for CSGO is useless because in 99.99% of the times you'll have way too many FPS for it to even matter. It doesn't matter that you get 500 FPS while standing still with Intel or 400 with Ryzen, because at the very most, your monitor will only need 144. And even then, I'd still trade those extra useless higher FPS counts for the stability that Ryzen brings, which means I can have more shit running in the background that won't interfere with the game, where Intel would have huge FPS fluctuation if something were happening in the background, possibly even under that 144 threshold.

>>60398853
Huh. I got mine at 3.9 and I get 449 ST and 4790 MT.

>>60398955
I went with what people said worked. Read a lot of good reviews for those G.Skill sticks, which is why I got them.
As for chipset, obviously you'll get a much better quality motherboard if you go with a X370 instead of B350, but you'll also pay at least 50% more. All depends on your budget. I'd still stay away from A320 motherboards though, those are designed for low end computers to run the yet to be released Ryzen 3.

>>60398987
I acknowledge the gap was bigger. But piledriver could easily OC 20%. Intel parts couldn't. 2500k-2700k had drastically better ipc but could only hit 4ghz vs 5ghz. Now it's the opposite. Kabylake can hit 5ghz ryzen hits 4. While clock for clock the difference is smaller the clock speed advantage is reversed.
Fringe cases like CSGO are used not so much because of people actually wanting to be hitting 500fps. But because csgo with a gtx 1080ti is pure cpu testing basically. It's an accurate representation of the future where 3-4 gpu cycles from now cpu starts to become the bottleneck and those games will be more demanding than csgo.

>>60399018
Yeah. I dunno i want to oc as much as a I can both cpu and RAM. but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with chipset..? It's confusing to me. I don't need the extra pcie lanes or anything they are selling it on. Just a single gpu and nvme ssd.

>>60398933
Friend was able to get the AB350-G3 to 3200MHz with 16GB FlareX CL14. It looks like it's about 50/50 on if you can do 3200 or need to step down to 2933 with that combo.

2933 isn't ideal, but it's the start of a plateau. The difference between 3200 and 2933 is less than the difference between 2933 and 2666.

>>60398955
>Does chipset matter at all?

Yes. From reading through a large number of newegg reviews, it seems that people on the B350 chipset have issues getting memory to clock above 3000MHz, while people using the X370 chipset are much more successful (and have managed speeds as high as 3600MHz after consulting manufacturers and memory training).

>>60391268
Hey /g/,
I'm thinking of getting an R5 1600/1600x or R7 1700.
I mostly game, but I like the longevity outlook of these chipsets. My question is what will run the coolest/quietest? I assume this means no overlocking, unless I get a beefier cooling system? I hate when in the summer my room becomes a sauna due to my computer.
I was thinking the 1600x because 6c/12th with 3.6hz-4.0ghz would probably do better for gaming than the 1700s 3.0ghz-3.7ghz, mostly because the majority of games aren't optimized for 8c/16th.
However an aftermarket cooler with the 1600x will cost almost as much as the 1700 with it's stock cooler.
Thoughts?

>>60399110
The 1600x sounds like the better candidate from the use case you've described.

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>>60392852
>>60393508
Got any overclock on those AB350 bros?

Im currently stuck at 3.8ghz because of no Loadline Calibration in the bios. Hoping LLC and SoC voltage adjustments comes in bios updates soon..

Also, use hwinfo64 to measure temps and voltages.

>>60398497
Are you retarded?

>>60399072
On the other hand, Kaby Lake is a proven and tested architecture already doing its best or at least close to, while Ryzen is a new architecture that is fresh and still getting constant improvements, visible almost weekly. I know this is more of the "Just Wait" mentality, but it actually is a favourable scenario.
Ryzen 1st gen is already super competitive and will get slightly better during it's lifetime. The AM4 platform is already confirmed by AMD to be viable for at least 3 or 4 generations, until DDR4 phases out for DDR5, so you can easily jump into it now, and then refresh your CPU for a last gen Ryzen before DDR5 hits, saving you a socket and RAM change. That's my rationale behind it all anyway.

Ryzen is pretty great on all fronts. It's still losing in heavy single threaded games, yea, but it's insane value for it's price and already has better footing than Intel in terms of longevity. If anything, even if AMD stagnates once again, at least it'll be a wake up call for Intel to step up their shit again and give us noticeable improvements in a generation or two.

>>60399132
Second this. Won't notice any gaming performance gains from the extra cores and it would run much hotter.n
Normally i'd recommend the 1600 and overclocking but you will probably notice a few degrees saved.

>>60399090
In that case, you'll want to get a X370. While the B350s would allow you to still overclock, you'll have much more control in a X370 in terms of options, as well as better protections and VRMs, in both quality and quantity.
The price step up is definitely worth it if you want to go all in like that.

>>60399216

memory training ?

>>60399110
1600X is your best bet for your case scenario, but like you said, is much more expensive. The 1600 will easily OC to the 1600X levels or close, but you'll still want to get a proper cooler if you want to do that.

Basically comes down to, if you want to save a few dollars, 1600, aftermarket cooler and learn how to OC properly. If you can't OC and don't want to kill the chip, shell out some more dollars for the 1600X.
With the 1700, you'd still want to get an aftermarket cooler to OC it that high, meaning an even heavier price tag.

>>60399164
Great, thanks for the info on the tool, helps a lot

>>60391268
Mine is coming today

>>60392821

2.368 VOLTS!!!!!!!

>>60398896
i actually play csgo competitively and i just built a ryzen system with a 1800x and a 1080. csgo auto sets fps_max to 300. to go higher you have to set fps_max to 0 or any number higher than 300. any serious csgo player will be settings fps_max to their monitors refresh rate. in my case, its 142 since i have a 144hz gsync monitor. this way gsync is always enabled and i get silky smooth game play. getting anything above your monitors refresh rate in csgo is pointless. all of my team mates set fps_max, even my buddies who have intel systems.

even dota 2 has a slider to set max fps now too. i think valve released a patch to dota 2 for ryzen that really improved performance. i never understood this csgo meme.

I'm liking my 1700x pretty well.

Air cooled with a Hyper T4, and with only some light browsing, it stays at around only 40°C. It's pretty good considering the cooler I'm using. It's also not drawing a whole lot of power.

A 1700X was overkill for what I usually do though. A 1600X or a 1600 would have probably sufficed.

>>60399825
oh and there is actually one thing i'm curious about though. just because of the muh 500 csgo fps!!!! people. csgo has an option "multi-core rendering." if one of the issues is the ccx switching, i wonder if disabling multi-core rendering increases fps.

So I bought a ryzen but I haven't finished building it yet

R5 how am I supposed to install the drivers for a graphics card if I need to boot the OS in order to install graphics drivers on it?
I feel like I'm an idiot for now knowing this

>>60399832
1600x is a fantastic value. its virtually a 6800k in everything but $200 less. ryzen really made x99 broadwell-e irreverent. only diehard intel fans go for it or those needing insane ram bandwidth for some reason. ryzen is pretty much x99 broadwell-e in everything, including gaming but ryzen costs a whole a lot less.

>>60400138
i'm going to actually take this as being serious and not bait.

you don't need drivers installed to install windows and bootup. windows includes a generic vesa driver that works with nearly all graphic cards. its just absolute garbage, sucks at even 2d rendering, and has very little support for any card.

so do a fresh install of windows, boot into windows, and install your drivers. best to download the latest and greatest drivers before you install windows for you already have them ready saved on a thumb drive.

>>60393413
2x16gb or 4x8gb ?

choosing ram is such a pain compared to the quad channel intel hedt shit

>>60400193

Holy shit I am that retarded then
I got Windows to install and boot once, and then I called it a night and decided to work on it the next day

Now no bios, no boot screen, just black
Should I just try installing from a Boot USB again?

>>60400300
You sure it didn't update on it's own (w10) and is outputing to a second screen?
Does it actually start, fan start spinning?
>Should I just try installing from a Boot USB again?
If it's not booting you can't do that anon

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>>60391268
Satisfied senpai :^)

Works well in almost everything, have my 1700 OC paired with an NH-D15
needs more optimizations though, but they're still great as-is

>>60400562
Are you underclocking it?

>>60400538

It's funny you mention that
I had two monitors plugged in during install

Thanks /g/ you rock :^)

>>60399004
Setting the clock may be preventing XFR from kicking in.

>>60400618
I didn't touch CPU clocks it's automatic as it's not in use

>>60392984
>the 6700k it replaced
Are you actually upgrading a CPU less than two years after getting it?

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LITTLE FOOT
CHOMPER
SHARPTOOTH
THUNDERBIRD
HAMMER
PILEDRIVER
STEAMROLLER
EXCAVATOR

ZEN ACHIEVED

THREADRIPPER COMMENCES: BALLS EMPTIED

SORRY JEW FAGGETS BLUEBALLED FERARRI PROCESSOR MOTHERFUCKS CELICA WINS THE 1/4 MILE

>>60400652
Oh, I thought CPU-Z reported the base frequency. I haven't ever used it so I wouldn't know.

What does that mean, though? Is it updating periodically?

>>60400619
had the same shit happen to me with my build two months ago
i even bothered to re-do the windows install thrice before checking if it outputed to the second monitor that was turned off constantly

>>60400674
Yeah it does I think they added that recently or its enabled by default

>>60400660
Well it's kind of a big upgrade so that can make sense
He probably sold his 6700k for a decent price even, or at least i hope.

>>60391280
I like gaming, so I got one.

I like it, and i'm running stock 2133 memory for now and no OC on 1600x
390 is not bottlenecked by my old i72600 anymore, couldn't get above 50 fps in PUBG, get 70 in open areas, and doesn't drop below 30 anymore at 1440p
can do 1.3v 4Ghz though, waiting for more BIOS updates

>>60400764
>I like gaming, so I got one.
Yup. I got a 1500x for $158 total, and I plan on using it at 1080p with an RX 470.

>>60400562
I'm getting a 1700X today. In fact it probably has arrived by now but I'm at work.

Gigabyte board really likes to soft-brick itself, but the CPU is great

>>60399216
X370 is good, but stay the hell away from MSI and avoid gigabyte for now

>>60392890
Nice. thats my plan.
Coincidentaly I will go from an Intel Q9550 to 'muh ryzen' (775-AM4)
I never got Jewed on sockets. Ah, venerably 775... I will miss you.

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>>60400667
>CELICA WINS THE 1/4 MILE

>>60391268
I like it.
My 1600X runs cooler than my fucking Haswell i7 LAPTOP which is a 35w TDP chip. So much cooler.

I don't get how Intel had so many billions of dollars and marketshare and they just squandered it. Then AMD shows up with their tiny AMD budget and makes a vastly superior CPU.

Reviewers seem to like it, too. Most positively reviewed CPU the past decade since Sandy Bridge.

>amd still doing their 50 thousand core meme cpus
lmao

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>>60402851
Add more bingbus.

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take this amd

so im running a xeon e3-123v1 with a gtx 1070. thinking about to get a 1600x or 1700x. which one should i get? i mostly play some video games and stream sometimes. money isnt a problem. or should i just wait for the next cpu generation?

>>60403219
1600X then upgrade to the 8 core when 7nm comes or the 2nd gen 7nm. 1600X is already a big upgrade over what you current have, so why not save for now and upgrade later?

>>60395054
>he fell for it

>>60391268
I have a few i3 and i5 PCs, but I doubt i could sell them for enough money to cover the cost of Ryzen CPU + mobo + DDR 4

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>>60395534
this

>>60404266
>the stutter is real

I'm getting an i7 3770 for $125 because I want want a predator X34 before new motherboard and already have gtx 1070/i5 2400

>>60395534

>>60395534
>up to 45.5 greater min fps**

>>60393326
I run 2x16 dual rank at 2933 cl 16.
Kill yourself faggot.

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>>60393479
>>60393479
>>60393479
>>60393479

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>mfw these threads always end up with throttlefags getting talked down by fact, to be followed by peaceful trolling of throttle fags with facts and figures until the thread ends

>>60404542
GTA V is such a piece of shit though

>>60404603
their online severs are shit too.

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>>60404603
forgot to inb4
gg throttle cuck

>>60404644
Makes me so satisfied that ryzen cucks intel using barely 50% of cores

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More truth for the post-truth plebeians

Glad to see a lot of ASRock bros ITT.

>>60404603
>every time
>aside from the consensus that GTA 5 is well optimised for PC
>intel cucks living in a delusional cuck world

What is the best matx x370 and work well with 3200mhz ram?

Plan to sell my 7700k and grab 1700.

>>60403161
>not i13
Pleb. i13 will have extra hyper turbo super ultra mega-tasking for only $9001 dollars

Has anyone tried lapping ryzen?

>>60404748
Asrock taichi seems like a good bet, or the crosshair hero but it's pricier/not as good value
otherwise google search '3200mhz ryzen reddit' etc., or buy something cheaper and get the overpriced G.Skill Flare X 3200mhz AM4 designed RAM

>>60399164
That rig is messy as shit, surely untangling cables takes more time than a couple minutes of management

>>60396799
>$219 vs $1500

>>60404949
>niiiice

>>60404775
Why the hell would you? AMD doesn't cheap out like Intel does on that shit.

>>60405010
>>60404775
Oh wait, I thinking of de lidding.
Lapping still seems just as fucking stupid.

>>60405028
don't you want a mirror reflection on your cpu?

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I want to get a Ryzen chip. It looks to be a decent upgrade from what I've currently got, and uses less power to boot to do it.

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>>60405049
yes

>>60404787
he said matx you dimwit

>>60404748
there is biostar, and there is biostar

have fun deciding.

>>60402331
Tell me how you like it senpai

>>60391280
>I like ss-s-stuttering so i dont have one

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>tfw too scared of going beyond 3,8ghz on my 1700x because I don't know what I'm doing

I could probably get it to 4.0 if I upped the voltage, but I'm worried that it will mess up the life of the CPU if I raise the voltage.

pic related

i9

>>60391268
Is LLVM/Clang better than GCC?

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>>60391268
1600 running at 3.78ghz, 1.296v. idles at 35ish, 71 on load with a phanteks tc12dx

ram running at 2933 on the ax370 gaming 5

its nice.

>>60393960
You can resell it for quite some shekels

>>60392804
Did you OC your 2500k? How is the difference in FPS?
Currently have 2500k at 4.4 + RX 480, can play everything still, been looking into Ryzen.

I don't have one, but shit's great. Probably, i will update my machine when Zen3 is out

thinking about getting either a 1600 or a 1700 for my next build. it'll be mostly gaming. i don't stream or edit or anything at the moment, but might end up doing it if i get a different CPU. would a 1600 be fine enough to manage gaming and maybe some casual streaming/editing or would the extra £90 or so be worth it for 1700?

>>60405924
Push that shit higher

>>60406296
dunno what feature to alter, but anything higher than 38x multiplier and the thing never downclocks

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>>60393867

>>60398853
That's a pretty high single-core performance for a 1700...

>>60406862
Ryzen has more IPC than Intel

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>>60406940
Yeah, but even a 1700X seems to have worse performance than your 1700 in the CPU-Z reference CPUs. Why is that?
What RAM speed are you running?

>>60391268
it's a fucking powerhouse, makes no noise whatsoever, draws dick all even at 4.0GHz, and runs cool to boot.

in my opinion I have the best consumer CPU on the market at the moment. if you completely remove the price/quality criterion, it's basically ex aequo with the superpriced X99 stuff.

the motherboard was initially a pain in the ass to work with but firmware updates basically fixed everything. I haven't played around with hardware virt and PCI passthrough though so I can't say if the IOMMU groups are bullshit or not.

overall, this is everything Bulldozer should have been and we'll most likely remember it as fondly as we do Sandy Bridge.

Should i do an overall of my computer and buying a 1700?
I actually have a 2500K at 4.2ghz and i want to try some gpu passthrough

>>60407007
Not the guy you're responding to but

This
>>60405862
Was taken today a few hours ago with an OC of 3,8ghz.

The dude is full of shit claiming that his 1700 performs that well on stock unless he coupled it with very high speed RAM and won the silicon lottery completely.

>>60407122
it's a pretty substantial upgrade over what you have

if you have the money and your 2500K is no longer cutting it, Ryzen is basically the way to go right now

although I think a 1600 would do a decent job of it, if you don't need so many coars

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>>60400660
The 6700k is now on HTPC duty replacing my old Phenom 2 955.

>>60404907
Nothing is "tangled", and no. Cutting 20 zip ties when you're switching something out takes way longer than just unplugging it and be done, not to mention the time spent zipping all that shit up.

I have cable managed twice, first time in 2005 and second time a few months ago.

There won't be a third time.

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>They didn't wait for Zen+
Enjoy your prototype and beta stage cpu

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>>60407574
>6700k for a HTPC

>>60407940
Just Wait™

>>60407945
why wouldnt i? It does the job better than the old 955.

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It arrived this evening

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>>60408132
>>60408197

>>60394484
Well if you're doing Android dev it's gonna help you with the emulator. But overall i don't think you will see to much improvement.

>>60391268
Love my 1600X. Makes for killer performance even if the Canadian shekel is doing poorly.

>>60394484
>That's funny but really is PyCharm/whatever JetBrains IDE working snappier with moar cores?
Yeah in the sense that you can have a bunch of them open at the same time without degraded performance

>>60407183
>won the silicon lottery completely
How would that help with stock performance?

>>60391268
Saving my money for Ryzen+

>>60408197
Of course you *can*. It's just that it's like having a Bugatti for driving to the grocery store once a week.

>>60391268
There's a big part of me who'd like to build a Ryzen system just to play around with, but then again I just really don't need one. I bought an i5 2400 five years ago, and it's still more than well sufficient for all my needs.

If I'm going to build a system just for the fun of it, I might at least wait until Zen+.

Be honest with me, how's Ryzen in gaming? Should I buy 7700 instead or 1600 will be just as good?

>tfw i7-920 sys with broken ramslots and no money for ryzen

>>60408756
Both of those are more than enough for most games, and the refresh rate will be the real "bottleneck", so even though the 7700K may be better in theory, it won't matter in practice. Ryzen will be much faster on many programs outside of games, however, which is something that may actually make a difference.

>>60408197
They're just jelly
I have an i7-5775C as my HTPC, and that costs $50 more than your 6700K did

>>60408805
I was talking about non-K version.

>>60408808
>jelly
It's not like I wouldn't have the money to do the same thing, it's just that the wastefulness of it stings. Hungry children in Africa could have eaten that 6700K.

>>60408846
Same thing applies, only it obviously skews the results even further in favor of Ryzen.

Is there any way to turn off the +20 ºC shit on the X series?

>>60408362
Every transistor / gate / etcetera works perfectly as planned. Talking the 99.999999999999999999999999999th percentile of a bell curve in production quality.

This would allow for maximum performance, minimum leakage. Basically the same reason why Intels 7th gen 14nm Core chips run so well compared to their upcoming 10nm chips.

>>60405862
Take it too 1.35v bro, the max that Ryzen recommends for safe OC'ing, see what it does.

>>60408362
>How would that help with stock performance?
Because even on stock, the CPU sets the frequency according to temperature. Less leakage thus means higher performance.

>>60408987
Yes, I know what a golden sample is.

I'm talking about performance at stock speeds. It doesn't change between a good and a bad sample.

>>60409073
The XFR is just 100Mhz or so. Doesn't change the performance as much as it shows there.

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>>60407007
cpu-z has some pretty odd default benchmarks for ryzen. i'm running my 1800x at stock. so stock = performance boost + xfr enabled by default. all core clock of 3.7ghz as long as power consumption doesn't go above amd's pre-configured. which really at 3.7ghz will never go above. with a boost peak of 4.1ghz. mine, and from other 1800x cpu-z i've seen, bench around 440 - 460 range in single threaded. yet cpu-z default is 410.

so either cpu-z is purposely shipping cpu-z with defaults that are lower to make amd look bad, or cpu-z is running their "validated" results with boost performance and xfr disabled, but clearly keeping it enabled for intel processors. which kinda goes back to making ryzen look bad.

I recently bought a 1600x and it throttles hard when I run a stress test. It reaches 75 C and gradually drops the clock. I reapplied thermal paste and got the same results. Does anybody have the same issue? This isn't normal right?

My cooler is CM Hyper T4.

>>60409021
It currently is on 1.35, but that didn't seem to be enough for a stable 3,9ghz. I could try again since it crashing at the time may have been down to other factors

Think I ran a CPU-Z stress test for 15 minutes or so before it died @3,9
4.0 killed it pretty much instantly.

So I have a feeling I just have a shit chip since some people seem to be able to get to 4.0 on a 1700 with just a bit more voltage, and 1700x hitting 4.0 with 1.35

>>60409111
Even the non-XFR turbo boosting depends on realtime temperatures.

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>>60409151
default score cpu-z has "validated."

>>60409153
75 °C on which program? Ryzen Master or something else?
Also which desktop power plan are you using?

>>60404542
not sure what your intent with that image was, but ryzen has a higher minimum fps across that board

that means less stuttering in game
that means its better

I'm pretty excited with Ryzen. I was disappointed with Skylake low IPC gains release and have been waiting since then for a proper upgrade for my 2500k. Ryzen is it. I'll be getting my 1700 next month when I get some extra cash.

>>60409209
On ryzen master. Whatever default windows 7 power plan is.

I observed throttling on linux as well actually with stress tests.

>>60408756
Unless you have a 120/144hz 1080p display or VR with a GTX 970 or higher and want extra 5% of gaming performance by sacrificing 80% of performance of everything else, then go ahead and throw your money away on a 7700k.

>>60409162
4ghz isn't common. even for the 1800x. iirc 25% of 1700's can hit 3.9ghz while its 30% of 1800x's will hit 4ghz. silicon lottery does a lot of binning and from their testing they found the common achievable (70%+) overclock for 1700's are 3.7ghz, 3.8ghz for 1700x's, and 3.9ghz for 1800x's.

just like 5ghz+ overclocks on 7700k are drastically overstated. common achievable (70%) overclock for a 7700k is 4.7ghz.

>>60409299
I didn't say a word about 7700K, god dammit. Why people ignore 7700 existence?

>>60409341
Because who the fuck needs locked 4core abortion when Ryzen exists?

>>60409355
How exactly it's abortion when it's a solid 4c/8t chip with 4ghz clocks?

>>60409341
when the overwhelming majority say 7700, they mean the 7700k. so pull the dragon dildo out of your ass and calm down.

>>60409259
I'm using Win10 myself so I'm not sure how it would affect in your case then. There was some talk about 17.10 AM4 chipset drivers increasing performance and it should be compatible with Win7. Dunno if it actually affects heat throttling though.

>>60409397
>How exactly it's abortion when it's a solid 4c/8t chip with 4ghz clocks?
It costs about as much as 1600x while having 2 less cores. Also dead socket.

>>60409337
The 1800x should be able to achieve 4.0, considering that XFR can take it as high as 4.1 if you're lucky, but then again, I don't know how much bullshitting AMD has done in this regard.

Nice to know that it isn't terribly common to hit 4.0 or 3.9 though, here I thought I was part of the unlucky few.

I also just noticed that keeping it at 3,8ghz is dumb since it boosts that high very easily anyway.

As a gaming enthusiast getting a 1600x, would a better mobo be the Crosshair VI Hero or a X370 pro?
Both fit in the budget.

>>60409484
Taichi.

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>>60408707
My HTPC PC is still used for games sometimes anon.
Racing games, platformers, emulators.

>>60409397
#CURRENTYEAR
#2017
quad cores shouldn't be mainstream in 2017. you gain on average, ignoring cherry picking, 15% increase in single threaded performance in gaming with skylake refresh, also known as kaby, over ryzen. but you gain 30-100% more in everything else with ryzen. in gaming ryzen floats around haswell to broadwell performance while outside of gaming, everything else, ryzen is generally a solid broadwell tier level of performance. that includes non-gaming single threaded workloads.

the overall gain you get more ryzen is higher than kaby unless all you do is use your $1,000++++ computer as nothing more than a glorified console. if that's the case then honestly just buy a fucking console. that 15% boost in single threaded is absolute horseshit and meaningless. put it this way, if it was that beneficial you would have intel shills screaming left and right for 4790k users to upgrade to a 7700 because THAT'S the fucking difference in gaming between a 4790k and 7700. so if ryzen is garbage so are all the 4790ks and 6850k's from intel and 6800k fags should toss their computer into the trash.

ryzen is NOT bulldozer. it doesn't come close to being ANOTHER bulldozer. faildozer was such a failure at release that bulldozer was 20% slower than amd's own PREVIOUS generation, phenom ii. it was 10% slower after microsoft released that windows patch. it was clock for clock equal when amd updated bulldozer with piledriver. faildozer was garbage.

ryzen is actually amazing.

>>60409484
You would be better off with a x370 Killer and a R7 1700.

>>60409473
>The 1800x should be able to achieve 4.0, considering that XFR can take it as high as 4.1
no. xfr boost is only only a short 4.1ghz boost on no more than two cores. it doesn't stay 4.1ghz for that long. i'm talking about no more than a minute unless the load is very, very low. like 5%. the moment it hits like 15% it switches back to 3.7ghz.

>>60409574
performance boost behaves the same. 4ghz on no more than two cores, only for short bursts. i honestly don't know why amd just didn't list the 1800x as 4.1ghz boost since no one will disable xfr on them. actually, motherboard vendors like asus don't even allow you to disable xfr but keep performance boost enabled. its all or nothing.

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>>60409574
Even my 1700 does 4ghz easily.

>>60409473
80% of Ryzen CPUs can do 3.9 GHZ easily m8.
Source: Silicon Lottery.

>>60409519
bless you

Question about Ryzen and Windows 7. How well does W7 handle the scheduling on the older OS? Does it have issues trying to juggle across CCX too frequently?

I'm reminded of the C2Q days, when threads would jump from one pair of cores to the other, and suffer significantly for it.

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>>60409519
Taichi is the best motherboard available however it is also unobtainium. Ryzen isn't much of power hog. The x370 Killer's VRM is more than capable of supporting Ryzen @ 4.2ghz. Anything higher isn't really possible without LN2 anyways.

>>60402445
Why though? I'm planing to buy gigabyte x370 gaming 5

>>60409770
MSI boards have a well earned reputation for being shit (not ECS-tier shit, but they've definitely dropped off the cliff) especially when AMD hardware is involved, and Gigabyte has a less than stellar BIOS.

Ironically, ASRock, which used to be a budget brand, is now good quality shit these days.

>>60409801
^this
Asrock currently makes the best boards on the market.
Best value to.

>>60409636
Seems like I'm part of the 20% then, because I just stress tested it at 3,9ghz with 1.625v, and it crashed after about 15 minutes.

I guess I could go higher and try with the silicon lottery numbers, which are 1.392v, but how would that affect the long term? Do I need to be worried about that at all?

>>60391268
I'm not probably upgrading my computer in a year or two so dont really care.

>>60409151
>>60409191
Yeah, that smells fishy.

>>60409153
>drops the clock
How much of a drop are we talking about? Are you stressing all cores? To what frequency does it drop to?

>>60409854
As long as you are below 1.4v and you are keeping it cool then you should be fine for at least 5 years.

>>60409610
>2.784V

wut

>>60395534
Except that only happens in a few cherrypicked benchmarks, in the rest minimums and averages are higher on the 7700k, stay mad

>>60409484
CH6 has the best VRM & Bios out of the current boards, but the taichi is the best value if you can find it at its MSRP.

>>60409930
CPU-Z doesn't read Ryzen voltages correctly.
It's actually 1.3875v.

>>60409916
Cooling is definitely not an issue, I haven't seen temperatures go over 70 degrees celsius even on 100% load.

Why does AMD say the "safe" limit is 1.35 though? Is it just to prevent any issues from their side in the case some retard does something wrong and kills his CPU?

>>60409984
"safe" is operating @ 100% load for 10 years.

Sold my 1090t for $70 and HD7950 for $90 and got a fx-8370 for $80 and GTX-1060 for $180. For $100, I'm happy for the next few years

I update computers every 3~5 years. My 2500k is already 6 years old. Should I wait for Zen+? (Next year?) or get my 1700 already?

>>60410067
>fx-8370
>happy

You should also be happy having a 5 inch penis, I suppose.

>>60391280
I see you like eyecancer 1080p TN screens, then.

>>60410181
It depends how happy you are with your 2500K and the clock you run it at.

>>60410347
I've been doing lot of video encodes lately, I could really use the boost in performance, but then again, I'll be stuck with the new pc for another 5 years, I wonder if zen+ will be a significant boost in overclockability.

My 2500k is only running at 4.2ghz. I was quite unlucky with silicon lottery with it back in 2011, could only reach 4.4ghz with sane voltages, 4.5 needed close to 1.45volts. After 2 years at 4.4 it became unstable and been running 4.2ghz since then.

>>60410430
You will get a huge boost in performance for encoding and much else. Specially if your 2500K is clocked so low.

No one knows what Zen+ will look like, but the good thing about the AM4 socket is that it will be around for a good while, and if you decide to upgrade you just need to buy a new CPU and plug it in your mobo and sell the old one.

>>60409636
>Source: Silicon Lottery.
>1 hour stress tests using Asus ROG bullshit
no
This same site claims like 90% of 7700K's do 5 Ghz

>>60410992
No they don't.

>>60410992
>This same site claims like 90% of 7700K's do 5 Ghz
Not with safe voltages, they don't.

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>>60410067
>fx-8370
>GTX 1060

>>60409937
intel is shit for gayming because of stutters

>>60409937
See
>>60411559

>>60410992
no, they don't.
>As of 2/22/17, the top 28% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 5.1GHz or greater.
>As of 2/22/17, the top 59% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 5.0GHz or greater.
>As of 2/22/17, the top 78% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 4.9GHz or greater.

/g/ what mobo do you use for your ryzen? do you like it, y or n?

This was a comfy thread. Imma miss it.

I wanna buying to buy into the ryzen hype but im a poorfag who needs integrated graphics for probably another year before I can afford a decent gpu. Is there no alternative?

>>60411972
get a cheap used GPU on ebay.
R9 280x goes for under $100 on ebay