/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

First for Canada.

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install Source Mage

What do I do? I only set a password

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>>60317930
Forgot pic

>>60317930
>>60317946
Your login is your username.

>>60317946
>4.10.13
We're at 4.11 anon

>>60317337
pic saved

>>60317800
I will, somehow having that on my computer gives me wet dreams

OH NO NETFLIX KNOWS WHAT MOVIES AND TV I LIKE TO WATCH.
THE WORLD IS LITERALLY ENDING

STFU stallman,you're just to poor to afford a laptop that can process x264

>>60317946
I can see you...

>>60317930
>>60317946
Did you chroot?
If not boot back in to the livecd and install it

Is i3wm+Ubuntu a good combo to use as a daily driver in a laptop? I'm new to i3wm and want to use it to strengthen my command line/bash skills. Basically need something where most things work out of the box (for now). E.g. lid close, display management, network management, maybe use thunar or xfce services with i3wm initially.

>>60318043
>out of the box
>any window manager

No. As you say you'll beed to use something like xfce services, but un general línea you'll have to set everything up.

>>60317930
Read the fucking wiki or go install something else.

Why do I have 2 kernels installed?
4... -75 and
4... -21

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>notice fan is a bit noisy today
>check if something is using a lot of CPU
>see pic related

And we're seriously letting Lennart's systemd take over the Linux ecosystem?

How long has pulseaudio been around now? And it's still a buggy piece of garbage!

>>60318172
GNU/Linux*

>>60318172
Why are you using it then? Plain ALSA justo werks.

>>60318172
>And we're seriously letting Lennart's systemd take over the Linux ecosystem?
not me

>>60318172
>>60318259
>>60318263
>>>/r/eddit

>>60317988
>>60318037
Logged in using root as login name. Figuring out how to add a user now

>>60318008
Really? I just installed maybe 2 hours ago. Running

pacman -Syu

says everything is up to date

>>60318025
Fuck, looking at my reflection my glasses seem way to feminine there

>>60318353
>syu
Use Syyu to force database update from mirrorlist.
Change your mirror it is is out dated

>>60318353

~$ pacman -Qi gtk3
Name            : gtk3
Version         : 3.22.14-1
Description     : GObject-based multi-platform GUI toolkit
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : http://www.gtk.org/
Licenses        : LGPL
Groups          : None
Provides        : None
Depends On      : atk  cairo  libxcursor  libxinerama  libxrandr  libxi  libepoxy  gdk-pixbuf2  dconf  libxcomposite  libxdamage  pango  shared-mime-info
                  at-spi2-atk  wayland  libxkbcommon  adwaita-icon-theme  json-glib  librsvg  wayland-protocols  desktop-file-utils  mesa
                  gtk-update-icon-cache
Optional Deps   : libcanberra: gtk3-widget-factory demo [installed]
                  gtk3-print-backends: Printing
Required By     : evince  file-roller  firefox  four-in-a-row  gcr  gnome-chess  gnome-desktop  gspell  gtksourceview3  ibus  libkeybinder3  libpeas
                  libxfce4ui  nm-connection-editor  polkit-gnome  thunderbird  transmission-gtk  vte3
Optional For    : avahi  deadbeef  ghostscript  libreoffice-fresh  qt5-base
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : None
Installed Size  : 70.42 MiB
Packager        : Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) <[email protected]>
Build Date      : Wed 10 May 2017 09:53:03 PM CEST
Install Date    : Wed 10 May 2017 11:08:16 PM CEST
Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package
Install Script  : Yes
Validated By    : Signature

>>60318131
so you can pick and choose

Linux SUCKS. Why? Because:

1) Command lines/Lack of GUI's

Why the fvck would I want to use a command line? I have a modern computer, capable of displaying color and icons. Why should their be a command line? And further, why doesn't everything have a gui? Gui's are good, and easy, and don't require me to learn commands. Yey for Gui's.

2)Root/sudo is stupid.

Why on earth should I have to deal with either using sudo or running as root to actually use my programs? I still can't get a lot of programs to run because they keep whining about permissions. What ever happened to good old admin accounts? Why does sudo break everything?

3)Apt-get

Now this is just plane stupid. Why is it so damn hard to install anything? I have a desktop, why not do it the way it should be done? I get the installer icon, click on it, press forward a few times, wait, and have a nice icon on my desktop. Why isn't it done this way?

4)Compiling

Again, stupid. Just give me a fvcking installer program. None of this compiling sh1t.


Come on Linux. The rest of the world has moved beyond 1990. It's time for you to do so also. I'm giving up and installing windows.

>>60318582
>Why the fvck would I want to use a command line?
Because typing is faster than pointing and clicking things.

>Why on earth should I have to deal with either using sudo or running as root to actually use my programs?
It's more secure.

>I'm giving up and installing windows.
Enjoy your botnet, sorry I mean telemetry!

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>>60318582
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60317337
Thank you for using an anime photo

>>60318582
nice copypasta

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should I install arch or gentoo?

>>60318993
install gentoo

>>60318993
Yes.

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>60319020
pkill ""

>>60319060
>""
>not .

>>60319020

ls | grep

>find

Is there some kind of detailed guide on configuring MPV?
why would I set vo=opengl vs vo=vdpau?
what is debanding? why would I use deringing?
etc etc?

Without thinking, I added root to wicd user group. Is this bad? How do I undo this?

>>60319330
Default settings are more then adequate
>who do i know what all this other shit means
You fucking google it

>>60319330
vo=opengl
profile=opengl-hq
scale=ewa_lanczossharp
deband

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I keep my journal using git commit messages

How autistic am I?

pipe dmesg through this script

#!/bin/bash

while IFS= read -r line; do
    length="${#line}"
    bol=1
    for (( offset = 0 ; offset < length ; offset++ )); do
        char="${line:offset:1}"
        printf '%s' "$char"
        if (( bol )) && [[ "$char" == " " ]]; then
            continue
        fi
        bol=0
        sleep 0.05
    done

    if (( length == 0 )); then
        sleep 0.$(( RANDOM % 3 + 2 ))
    else
        sleep 0.$(( RANDOM % 7 + 3 ))
    fi

    printf '\n'
done 

leave this running

family thinks I am hacking and calls the police

>>60319419
That's not really autistic as it is just plain stupid. Stop trying to be "cool and unique", everyone knows you're just trying to show off to your normie friends.

>>60319419
been using date +%s for a while, share program?

>>60319759
Just install git
Set your shell variable $EDITOR

read more
https://pastebin.com/XBiiBR8n

whats a comfy, and nice looking distro?

is elementary the best looking by default?

i know you can make any look good, especially arch, but i am just saying by default... what looks best?

>>60320231
elementry's aesthetic is ugly and stupid.

>>60320284
Stupid? You could argue that. Ugly? Nope.

>>60320231
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>60319998
thanks for the pastebin anon

>>60319998
Thanks.

What's your todolist solution, faglets?

Anyone have any experience with using proprietary Nvidia drivers on openSUSE Tumbleweed? Are they in the repositories? I read on their website that if you need proprietary Nvidia drivers it may be a reason to not use Tumbleweed.

>>60319060
does this kill all killable processes for the user that runs it?
why how does `""` do that?

Does anyone know any big companies using Debian? All the companies I know use Redhat/CentOS , Ubuntu or if they are European opensuse (´･ω･`)

I'm installing Arch (in a vm at first so I don't fuck things up)

I'm at the point where I've uncommented the locales I'll need to generate, but now I'm stuck in the locale.gen file, how do I get back to the terminal?

>>60318131
It's so you can roll back to the earlier kernel if the new one breaks shit.

>>60321212
It's basically getting sneaky with variable parsing and regex. The "" returns an empty string as the variable, and literally everything matches an empty string in regex, so pkill then kills everything it has the right to.

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So I just bought this refurb'd derpbook for a little under half price and I'm want to put Linux on it somewhere. I'd prefer dual boot between Linux and Windows 10. I want to learn Linux but have Win10 sitting in the wings if I decide I need it for something. If things go well with Linux I may turn the laptop into a server. Or I may not if I realize that's retarded. I do have a desktop so I'm not fucked if this laptop goes down or I can't figure out wtf I'm doing for a week or two.

Suggestions other than kys?

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834267123

>HP EliteBook 8560w 15" Mobile Workstation Laptop
>Intel Core i7 2720QM (2.2 GHz)
>8 GB Memory
>500 GB HDD
>NVIDIA Quadro 1000M

>>60321361
Don't put Win10 on it. Seriously, don't. It's an absolute nigger of an operating system. Instead, stick more RAM in it and install Win10 in KVM.

>>60320909
taskwarrior

>>60321401
Win10 is already on it. There's nothing to do except decide how to place Linux. Speaking of which, the wiki says Mint may have been compromised but that was over a year ago. Did they clean it up or is it still a risk?

>>60321361
What are you asking? Elitebooks are generally pretty good for Linux. I've had several Elitebooks and Debian worked well on all of them. Arch and its derivatives also usually work well. I personally prefer Debian though since it's rock solid and I don't have to worry about it.

>>60321528
>What are you asking?

Is the dual boot idea a bad idea?

>>60321322

If you're in the nano editor, ctrl+x should prompt a save and exit.

Also use Alt+F1 through F8(?) to cycle through your virtual terminals. Think of it like a tab in a browser, you can run multiple tasks from the command line at once by using different virtual terminals.

>>60320909
writing down plain text, just like in real life, you weirdo.

>>60321584

Dual boot is a good idea. It gives you more room to learn and play with stuff. Also if Windows breaks you can try and fix it from Linux.

If you're the guy considering installing Mint, I'd say go with Ubuntu or Debian instead.

The reason being the further you get from the source distro the more buggy and insecure things tend to be, in my experience.

>>60321729
that makes sense, I was actually using vi before because of the guide I'm following, thanks.

Which type of archive format (tar, zip, 7z, etc.)
is the least exploitable (e.g. making unpacking take ages) and in general unpacks the fastest?

>>60322234
tar is not compressed so it seems like it would be fast and deterministic.

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>>60322173
Okay, good. I'm looking at Debian and wondering why the fuck a "lightweight" OS needs 12+gb.

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

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>>60320884
>>60320844
No problem

Made some neater changes and views, just update the [alias] section to get the new commands
https://pastebin.com/nhvh5YiF

If you write your own git log format, you can essentially export your messages into any data format you want.

>>60322416
That includes virtually all of the software that has been packaged for debian, 90% of which you won't need. The first dvd image will do a complete install, or just go with the net installer that is a few hundred mb and downloads what is needed.

is it possible to do passthrough with ryzen yet?

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Anyone know how to get Thunar to display the proper icons for Samba shares?

Notice in the Nautilus window it shows the correct icons, but in Thunar - it just shows some generic icon.

Thank-you!

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Should I just give in to the systemd?

>>60323255
Depends what you value more, convenience or UNIX philosophy.

Hello, I asked some questions a few days ago about full disk encryption things. I am a bit frustrated as installing Arch from the command line and encrypting a USB with the /boot partition mostly worked, but it still gives me some problems. Doing a system update broke shit for some reason, I am guessing the kernel, since it doesn't know that /boot is on the USB. Even though put in my passkey and can navigate the files and shit. I dunno if I am a stupid idiot or if it just makes things stupid having encrypted USBs and shit.

So someone said GRUB supports an encrypted /boot, correct? Does this mean that this article - https://twopointfouristan.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/pwning-past-whole-disk-encryption/ - is a thing of the past? Could I just put my entire system on the hard drive, and put GRUB on my USB and be fine? Will I be secure from stupid fuckery like that article? It is like 6 years old so I am just wondering if it is still relevant. Reading that was the entire reason I felt the need to put /boot on a USB, though.

It is frustrating. All in all I want - an OS where the only way to access any of the files is to enter my passkey.

>>60318993
source mage

>>60319020
>le angery comman

>>60318043

>daily driver
Kill yourself for perpetuating retarded memes and concepts.

>>60323277

You don't even know what the UNIX philosophy is nor do you know how systemd is allegedly breaking it.
You don't care that your other programs are allegedly infringing it. You care that systemd does it because you think it makes you cool and smart for being able to talk about something that "complicated.
Kill yourself.

>>60324058
Woah dude stop projecting

What was GNU with Hurd kernel called before Linux was created?

>>60324436
GNU

I am an absolute noob with Linux, but forced to use Ubuntu for work. I like it quite a lot, but some seemingly simple operations turn out to be a drag.

I downloaded PyCharm for Linux. To run it, I have to manually navigate to PyCharm.sh in the Console and then run the script. I do not see an option to create an icon on the Desktop.

>>60324629
>I do not see an option to create an icon on the Desktop.
an icon for what? PyCharm.sh?

>>60324541
so it was ok to call the os after one component then, GNU instead of GNU/Hurd but now suddenly it's wrong to call it after one component, Linux instead of GNU/Linux?

>>60324692
the operating system was supposed to be called GNU
Hurd is a part of the GNU project
are you stupid

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>tfw, on a fresh arch install, just tried KDE plasma for the first time

not bad.

>>60317946
Hi Felix

what's a good CLI music player? Preferably something with support for mp3, flac and maybe vorbis (occasionally but I barely use it). An integrated visualiser would also be cool, but tmux+cava does basically the same thing. I also like how ncmpcpp can press l and load lyrics from a variety of sites. I currently use mopidy-spotify and ncmpcpp, but I'm ditching Spotify. I don't really need a server like mpd or mopidy.

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>>60324947
I use moc. It does not have integrated visualiser.
But at least its not using 30% of my CPU.
>MPD

>>60324947
I use cmus.
It has none of what you talked about.
You just run it, point it to a directory with music and press play.
I use it with a dedicated drop down terminal that automatically starts when I press media play on my keyboard. It is simple, lightweight and out of the way.

MDP and ncmcpp is the opposite.
It requires lot of attention, lot of setup and is bloated to the point where you might as well use a graphical music player.

What's the difference between a distro like Gentoo and straight up LFS?

So I've been having some issues with an Ubuntu 16.04 server I have, every now and then it will crash and I have to do a full reset to get it to reboot.

Are there any common things that would cause a server to outright crash, and are there any good diagnostic tools I can use?

FUCK
I'm the biggest retard ever. accidentally ran "rm -rf /home/user". Ctrl+C'd probably 0.5 secs in. It doesn't seem to have deleted anything- how can I make sure? Is there an easy way to get a log of what it deleted? Can I restore it easily on ext4?

>>60325750
Does rm work alphabetically? I think it got my downloads folder, and nuked one of my larger torrents, but nothing else...

>>60325765
rm -rf basically just calls unlink, so the data is still there, but free for overwrite
you can use tools like photorec to recover rm'd data, but you also should use a different drive when doing it

>>60325495
LFS is totally unusable for a main system, or as anything other than a learning experience. Gentoo has a package manager (portage) included, but it just compiles the packages using ebuilds.

>>60325804
Do not download and overwrite anything and run a data recovery tool

>>60325489
thanks. cmus works well enough for me, just go to the directory and press play. I am sick of mopidy and ncmpcpp's complexity. I can just use cava for the visualiser anyway.

>>60325819
So I see you're using cmus. I'm more of a MOC guy myself, but you know what they say.

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>not just using mpv
>music player
>video player
>image viewer

>>60325804
I honestly don't think I'll bother. It didn't really delete anything important (I had backups anyway but they're a little out of date and inconvenient to dig up). I've learned a valuable lesson. When running rm, can I put -rf after the folder I want to delete? That would probably save me from hitting enter too early.

>>60325832
moc is nice. Was my first cli player when I was a noob.

>>60325850
>When running rm, can I put -rf after the folder I want to delete? That would probably save me from hitting enter too early.
You can indeed, I've developed that habit myself.

>>60325850
Yes, but even better would be an alias like

alias del='rm -Iv'

-v for showing what happens
-I for prompting if you're going to delete too many files at once

I've aliases rm directly for myself, but it's not good practice, since after a while you expect rm act like you aliases it and on a different machine this could end up horrible.

>>60325845
I use mpv as my image viewer and video player, but I don't like it as an audio player.
>click on audio file in file picker, or press enter in ranger
>only that song plays, the others don't

>>60325888
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/blob/master/TOOLS/lua/autoload.lua

>>60325880
>and on a different machine this could end up horrible.
I've seen this thing happen. Don't alias it, get used to write the dir first

>>60320231
Probably Antergos with GNOME.

>>60325682
Are we talking about a kernel panic-level crash, not even SysReq works, only the physical reset button? In that case I'd consider a hardware problem. I'd do the ol' "leave memtest running for a night" and also look at PSU voltages.

If it's any less bad than that, there should be clues. Have you checked dmesg, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log?

>>60320231
Manjoro 17 i3 community edition

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>>60326001
Forgot pic

>>60325986
It's a remote server I'm renting so I don't have access to the physical hardware.

I'm skimming over syslog and kern.log, I'm not seeing anything major popping out at me

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>>60325845
Rate my mpv gui player. Got the idea from bunsenlabs and just added a visualizer.
(for some reason 4chan doesn't let me post it, wtf?) https://0x0.st/Y5r.txt
mpva https://stallman.org/guantanamero.ogg

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I'm on manjaro and haven't updated firefox or even the system for a long time now.
Would simply running

pacman -Sy firefox

update firefox or I have to update the whole OS?

>>60326092
OP here, got problems when posting too. Disabled 4chanX and then 4chan too me to a "are you a bot?" page for a second captcha. Feels bad man.

Strange things happening.

>>60326118
>Strange things happening
My ISP blocked captcha.

>>60326092
Is that bunsenlabs default audio player?

>>60326148
Yep. Just added the lavfi-complex line.

>>60326092
God damn, I seriously wish I'll meet him before he dies. I just want to hug him for a minute.

>>60326060
Ah, I see.

Just to be sure, don't forget to check the log file backups (kern.log.1 and such, you can use zless instead of less for the gzipped ones). I'm mostly guessing, but I think if something happened bad enough to crash the system but not bad enough to immediately kill the kernel, it should be logged.

These logs are rotated at every boot (and at other times), so check the dates, find one that was last written around the time of a crash, and read the last few lines.

While you're at it, see if any log files are absurdly big, regardless of date - sometimes the system spends weeks and writes MBs of log files trying to warn you about some recurring problem.

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>>60326186
Drop this into your RSS program:
https://static.fsf.org/fsforg/rss/events.xml

Can I use polkit to add rules to every program or must the program have special polkit related features for it to work?

I want to make my package manager not ask for authentication (root) when being run locally.

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/fglt/ being famously sold out again

>>60326112

Partial upgrades are not supported. Your operating system is a leech operating system, they don't contribute anything worthwhile to Arch. Only idiots use it.

Regardless, partial upgrades are not supported. There is no reason to do partial upgrades. Read the documentation or at least the Wiki page which has it pointed out in a red box with bold text.

>>60326299
>LOL lets add some pimples to the guy, then the virgin NEETS will buy HEH

>>60326323
>I only buy kellogs family products

>>60326299
pic sauce?

>>60326317
Thanks for nothing you useless reptile.

>>60326347

Do pacman -Sy firefox.

anyone have any good suggestions for a clean, modern music player? preferably something with EQ control. running ubuntu rn.

i like cmus but it crashes playing certain large files. i'm fine using gui or just keyboard shortcuts

>>60326401
eq should be done with your sound solution, not with your player
there's an eq for pulse and theres an eq for alsa, choose your poison

>>60326425
thanks. used to foobar on windows from a while back and had eq control in the music player itself. appreciate it.

>>60326379
assuming I've updated it successfully.
Does this mean Firefox will switch to webkit? or will the current addons will stop working?

>>60326459

Yes.

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>>60326317
Dude don't be so pessimistic. Yes, manjoro is a leech for now ...but so was Ubuntu for Debian.
This is how GNU software evolves.
Give it some time.
I'm sure something will grow out of it.

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>>60326236
log files don't seem too large

95.7 MiB [##########] /apache2
1.1 MiB [ ] syslog.1
776.0 KiB [ ] syslog
500.0 KiB [ ] kern.log
428.0 KiB [ ] kern.log.1
352.0 KiB [ ] dpkg.log.1
144.0 KiB [ ] auth.log.1
100.0 KiB [ ] auth.log


I'm just wondering if my file transfers are causing the HDDs to overload or something; rsync was crashing the server earlier too

>>60321495
Don't use mint, just use ubuntu mate or ubuntu budgie if you wang somethinh like windows.

>>60324629
Add it to your PATH

>>60324629
https://itsfoss.com/install-pycharm-ubuntu/

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I just fell for the SSD meme. What things do I have to do in order to actually use it without absolutely thrashing it?

>>60326775
Add noatimes in /etc/fstab

>>60326775
Just use it like an HDD.

>>60326236
Oh interesting, this time it recovered without me forcing a restart

Some errors popped up, I wonder if it's dying hardware

May 11 14:41:41 Easy systemd-udevd[407]: Process '/sbin/mdadm --incremental /dev/sdb1 --offroot' failed with exit code 1.
May 11 14:41:41 Easy systemd-udevd[404]: Process '/sbin/mdadm --incremental /dev/sdb3 --offroot' failed with exit code 1.
May 11 14:41:41 Easy systemd-udevd[412]: Process '/sbin/mdadm --incremental /dev/sdb2 --offroot' failed with exit code 1.
May 11 14:41:41 Easy systemd-udevd[419]: Process '/sbin/mdadm --incremental /dev/sda2 --offroot' failed with exit code 1.
May 11 14:41:41 Easy systemd-udevd[409]: Process '/sbin/mdadm --incremental /dev/sda3 --offroot' failed with exit code 1.
May 11 14:41:41 Easy systemd-udevd[408]: Process '/sbin/mdadm --incremental /dev/sda1 --offroot' failed with exit code 1.


May 11 14:41:41 Easy kernel: [ 6.870659] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000540-0x000000000000054F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000057F (\_SB.PCI0.SBRG.GPBX) (20160422/utaddress-255)
May 11 14:41:41 Easy kernel: [ 6.870664] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
May 11 14:41:41 Easy kernel: [ 6.870665] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000530-0x000000000000053F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000057F (\_SB.PCI0.SBRG.GPBX) (20160422/utaddress-255)
May 11 14:41:41 Easy kernel: [ 6.870669] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
May 11 14:41:41 Easy kernel: [ 6.870670] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000052F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000057F (\_SB.PCI0.SBRG.GPBX) (20160422/utaddress-255)

youtube-dl can save annotations to an xml file, but how am I supposed to use it? None of the media players I know of can display it. wat do?

>>60326828
I have no experience with mdadm or those error messages, but it does look like you've found a good lead.

At this point I'd probably install smartmontools and run smartctl to try and investigate HDD health, I know of no other tool for that.

Something like

sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda > smart_data_sda

and then read the report. It's very hit-and-miss but better than nothing.

It's funny that mdadm is complaining about both sda and sdb. It's not likely that both drives are failing, but maybe the same hardware problem is triggering all errors, I don't know what mdadm is trying to do there.

>>60318172
>not using htop
If you're to stupid to use plain alsa you deserve the suffering caused by pissaudio

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>/conf.d/

Why people hate X so much, and everything written on top, like GTK,Qt, etc?

>>60324629
Go to Tools > Create Desktop Entry

>>60327126
muh tearing meme

>>60327164
In my experience (all intel graphics and one nvidia card) x screen tearing is a bullshit meme.
with the Intel integrated graphics, occasionally you need to remove xf86-video-intel and use the modesetting default driver instead, which fixes tearing, or just use the tearfree option. For nvidia you can enable full composition pipeline in nvidia-settings. Or, just use a compositor like Compton or a DE that doesn't have a terrible compositor (mutter/gnome has 0 tearing.)

>>60318008
only the hardened. the normal is flagged but still at 4.10.13-1

>>60327339
4.11 has been pushed in the linux-stable repo.

>>60327349
"linux-stable" is not one of the official repositories where >>60317946 was getting his stuff from and that's why he couldn't find it. most likely his mirror isn't outdated too.

>>60327422
So where is the official repo?

>>60322842
nice, thank you man

>>60327438
Repos. They are in the default pacman list. You can read up about them here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_repositories

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>>60325135
MOC masterrace reporting

>>60326245
Just seen what things he is going to talk, realized he is a visionary

No wonder has followers

>>60326450
audacious has an equalizer incorporated, but the other guy is right, better equalizers are the ones separate from the player

>>60327126
>Why people hate X so much
not me

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If your linux is so good, then why there is less than 1% of steam users actually using it?

>>60328114
are you implying pulseaudio and plain alsa is used directly?

what a retarded picture, kys

>>60327823
I was talking about the kernel git repo.

>>60328114
because steamOS is hot garbage and can't replace windows despite the latter trying very hard to shoo its userbase away.

it will take a company years and millions for counter-lobbying to develop and establish a real gaming distro.

>>60328256
It's either me or you who confuses things.

The OP of this reply chain was installing arch linux and received a comment that his kernel is out of date, to which he replied that he just installed. Then he received another reply that suggested to make sure to update the mirror list as it is outdated too. I checked it and OPs repos are most likely not outdated, as the arch core repo shows that it is lagging behind in the linux kernel version.

There's no dedicated kernel-git REPOSITORY in arch, so I'm wondering if you're talking about arch linux at all or if you're having difficulties googling "linux kernel git"? I really don't know. At this point, what this conversation about?

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I remember people talking about some about:config tweak that greatly improves firefox performance on GNU (with Linux added). What are some good about:config tweaks?

>>60328426
>At this point, what IS this conversation about?

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Linux is only seeing 54 gb of memory. I have 230 gb of memory on my laptop. How do I fix this on Fedora 25?

>>60328541

First of all, that's not Linux seeing 54GB, that's your file manager.
Post the output of "df -h".

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>>60327988

>jewish
>believes heavily in sharing
>wants what's best for mankind
>he's believed to be a madman with followers that are insane
>considered a savior
>condemned by a giant empire
>backstabbed and betrayed by his closest friends
>both founded their own religion
RMS is literally reincarnation of Jesus.

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>>60328595
oh...never mind then, THANKS!

>>60328276
steamos and steam are two different things.

>>60328426
I was the one pointing out that that anon is using an obsolete Linux kernel. And I'm talking about the git repository of the Linux kernel (on kernel.org).

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>>60328621
eh, fuck off richard, it's just linux
i made it by accident

>>60328663
Jokes on you, I'm not really Richard Stallman.

>>60328644

That's showing the size of your root partition. The other 200GB you have are assigned to your home partition as the image shows.

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>>60328653
The expression “the Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “the kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “the kernel, Linux” or “Linux, the kernel”.

so, guys, shall we say that linux on desktop is a huge failure?

>>60328717
kill yourself faggot

>>60328696
Which one?

>>60328717
using GUN/Bullet can correct it

>>60327219
I experience it in default debian installations with xfce on both of my machines. TearFree option helps, but you do realize that tearing is just a symptom, the actual disease is much deeper?
You can read here http://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/index.html yourself, i'm not even gonna try to explain, i'm a bad teller. The fact is: wayland is much simpler and fixes bad architecture decisions made when times was completely different.
Wayland is definitely a future. But still, X is a present, and i'm happy that there are pretty good fixes of the common issues that end users face, such as TearFree.

>>60317930
remove the install media before you reboot.

>>60328717
No. (You) was.

>>60319020
!14

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Will linux ever be viable on desktop ?

Friendly reminder https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

>>60328724
>>60328744
>>60328805
k tards

>current year
>noobs still install random drivers instead of just running compton

>hey bro, install this nonfree driver, it will fix it
>hey bro, install wayland, it will fix it

RETARDS

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>>60328828
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60328828
>Friendly reminder
I thought this link is already spam filtered?
Anyway: MODS MODS MODS

>>60328828

>In 2017 Mozilla silently replaced ALSA with PulseAudio in Firefox which drew a huge amount of flak because it had turned out PulseAudio still didn't work for a lot of people.

Stopped reading right there. Not only is that blatantly wrong, but it also proves that the author doesn't know what he's talking about and who knows what else he's getting wrong.

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>>60328856
>>60328864
why are you guys avoiding the subject this much? don't you want linux to succeed? what have you done to help?

>>60328828
>>60328717
>lmao
>join fglt
>tell them gnu linux is failure
>heh

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>>60328905
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60328904
how it is wrong?

>>60328905
kernel -> alsa -> pulse -> program
everything else is optional, faggot, at some corners, even pulse is optional, kill yourself

>>60328945

They didn't replace ALSA. You cannot replace ALSA with Pulseaudio. Pulseaudio runs on top of ALSA. The Firefox developers made Pulseaudio a required dependency. They didn't replace it.
That whole page is so full of superficial observations and uninformed opinions it's painful.

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>>60328942
>>60328856

>>60328976
i am not sure. if they were using alsa and now are using pulseaudio, even if it's still on top of alsa, virtually, alsa has been replaced, no?

>>60329007
t. computer illiterate
>LOL, I install bonzy buddy 20 times, now its not windows anymore, its bonzy buddy os!!!

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>>60329007
Sorry.

>>60329020
bonzy buddy is still running on windows. are most of linux programs running on gnu?

>>60329007
isn't gnome also gnu?

>>60329009

Maybe you can apply some grammatical gymnastics and semantics trying to come up with a way to make that claim true on some level.
In the end you are still using ALSA and nothing has replaced it. That's what normal people who haven't written that article know.

what's the point of pulseaudio over bare alsa?

>>60329030
>implying LOC matter
it's linux, that's what linus and the world calls it

>>60328154
btw, the picture is from here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio

>>60329060
Better bluez support

>>60329074
Linus wrote a program called Linux, which is a kernel and it's ok to call this thing however he wants, but he has no right to call programs made for the GNU system after his program.

>>60329094
what programs are you referring to? could you give some examples?

>>60329074
>lol linux has more LOC
>reee LOC don't matter
well played

>>60329108
The Linux Commandline
The Linux Desktop
The Linux Machine
The Linux Ecosystem
The Linux Package Manager
The Linux Shell
The Linux lickmyasshole

>>60328828

>one point about systemd problems just links to a Google search with "systemd freeze", "segfault" or "crash"

Haha hahaghaghaghaghaghaghagh.
Cleared the cached content for that horrible article website, it's wasting precious kilobytes.

>>60329138
>>Haha hahaghaghaghaghaghaghagh.
>>/r/eddit

>>60329133
aren't most of those based on posix? are you considering posix to be gnu?

>>60329133
Linux fucking sucks. The only reason anyone uses it is because it's the kernel that's best suited for use with GNU, and that's only because it was the first finished kernel to be released under the GNU GPL which resulted in it receiving the most GNU-centric development. Monolithic kernels were outdated in 1991 and they're still outdated today; if Andy Tannenbaum hadn't been a fool with his licensing we'd all be using GNU/Minix today and we'd all be a lot better off for it. Linux is also the only popular unix-like kernel that doesn't support a form of virtualization like Solaris zones or BSD jails.

GNU, on the other hand, is great. It's objectively the best unix-like standard available. Stallman's epiphany that it was no longer the fucking 60s and subsequent abandonment of the original unix design philosophy made GNU the most feature-packed and functional unix-like standard ever, which is why it's so much more popular than permissive-licensed standards like BSD even in the commercial world in spite of the fact that permissive licenses would grant corporations more of the control they desire.

All Linux does is hold GNU back, and the only reason at this point why anyone is still using Linux with GNU is because muh drivers. Literally any other kernel with the same level of hardware compatability would be a million times better than Linux for use with GNU. In an ideal world we'd probably be using something more like GNU/L4, but even GNU/kFreeBSD would be better than GNU/Linux. The fact that Linus tries to sneakily imply that the GNU standard is just a part of his own "Linux" operating system is fucking pathetic.

>>60329175
How to solve the driver problem? I'd love to have a completly free OS, but running a distro like Trisquel on a machine without Wifi drivers just ends up with pain.

>>60329153
>>>/r/eddit
FTFY

>>60329212
>How to solve
Well, thanks to Open Source proprietary drivers are acceptable and noone feels the need anymore to delvelop replacements.
>machine without Wifi drivers just ends up with pain.
Get an USE adapter from minifree.

>>60329282
>>>redd.it
FTFY

How does /fglt/ manage dotfiles?

I currently have a directory ~/.dots where I ln them to, but it doesn't feel right. Any better solutions?

>>60329324
GNU stow
backup2git
>>60329212
You could just get the nonfree drivers from debian and dpkg it to Trisquel, but at this point you could aswell just install Debian.

>>60329324
I have a git repo ~/.env that contains all my dotfiles. And I link them.

>>60329307
>being an utter knob

>>60328828
Yes. Even the author you cite is optimistic enough to suggest a solution.

Are there any remote control apps for Android to control MPV or Mplayer on a laptop?

I use Wifi Remote Play to control MPC-HC on my desktop computer that runs Windows but I don't have any way to control a media player on my laptop that runs GNU/LInux unless I use VLC.

>>60329766
How about good ol' anyremote? I've only ever used it with a feature phone over bluetooth, but I see it also supports wifi and has an android client.

>>60329843
hmm, I'll look into it, I've never messed with anyremote before

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Actually thinking about installing gentoo on my laptop
Should I fucking do it?
Install good old Arch instead?
Be a sane, reasonable person and install a distro, that doesn't require too much effort to setup, on my laptop that I don't even use that much?

>>60329766
if you use kde5, theres 'kde control' or something like that

>>60330328
I'm using LXQt right now. I wish SMplayer had some sort of built-in remote functionality.

>>60330386
>>60330328

There is nothing preventing you from installing KDE's software outside of KDE Plasma.

>>60330505
it doesnt integrate with other DEs

>>60328828
>Keyboard shortcuts handling for people using local keyboard layouts is broken (this bug is now 13(!) years old).
>provides some obscure issue with kde

>Scrolling in various applications causes artifacts.
which is just firefx (easily fixable) and he also provides a link with a firefox issue

>X.org allows applications to exclusively grab keyboard and mouse input. If such applications misbehave you are left with a system you cannot manage, you cannot even switch to text terminals.
>you cannot even switch to text terminals
he provides this link https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21141 which is a resolved issue
the issue being
>With any video driver (nvidia, nv, vesa) and any kernel version X.org constantly loses keyboard input (it may happen three times a day). However if I manage to switch to a text console (vt1-6) or start a new X session (X :1) then keyboard is working. If I restart X server in this session then keyboard returns to life.
>However if I manage to switch to a text console (vt1-6) or start a new X session (X :1) then keyboard is working.

this whole text is such nitpicking and also this >>60328976 and >>60328904

>>60330526
Acutally, I just tried it out and it seems to work with LXQt for multimedia controls as well as mouse and keyboard input at least. That should be enough for what I'm trying to do at least.

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>>60328828
>Linux/Unix web servers are generally a lot less secure than ... Windows web servers, "The vast majority of webmasters and system administrators have to update their software manually and test that their infrastructure works correctly".

>>60328828
>Some people argue that one of the problems that severely hampers the progress and expansion of Linux is that Linux doesn't have a clear separation between the core system and user space applications.
???

>>60330319
since my laptop is basically a glorified potato, I use it mainly for watching mongolian stop motion animations.I think arch with a tweaked mpv solved my problem well

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>>60330932

When doing an ifconfig, I'm given three IP6 addresses.
Is the first address the local one while the second is public? And what's the third?

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>>60328828
>Very poor documentation and absence of good manuals/help system.
>There are no antiviruses or similar software for Linux

>>60328828
>Linux distributions do not audit included packages which means a rogue evil application or a rogue evil patch can easily make into most distros thus endangering the end user.
this guy absolutely has no fucking clue what he's talking about

is linux dying?

>>60331018
How does Windows audit all of those packages from all over the internet that most people end up installing on their computers?

>>60331037
we are dying, anon

>>60330995
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/87625/what-is-difference-between-user-space-and-kernel-space

>>60328828
>A galore of software bugs across all applications. Just look into KDE or Gnome bugzilla's
yeah windows has no bugs because you dont see any on bugzilla and github

>>60331058
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_software

>>60331001
Are you perchance talking about inet, Bcast and Mask? Those are your IP address, the network's broadcast IP address and the network mask.

ifconfig, or any other similar tool, can not tell you your public address because translating your private address to a public one is something your router does, not your computer.

>>60331186
Why Nintendo and Sony favored BSD over Linux?

>>60331296
License.

>>60331296
Are we talking about using it as a base for their OS? Then it's because, as >>60329175 says, BSDs come with non-copyleft licenses that allow making proprietary derivatives, whereas the GPL that covers GNU/Linux does not allow it.

For some reason, when I try to access to some folders on my Windows partitions from GNU/Linux, nautilus displays an old version of some folders, however I know they’ve been changed recently.
Does anyone have an idea why this happens and how to fix it?

>>60331296
This. >>60331358
Linux would have them to publish source code since it's licensed under GPL.
For BSD, you aren't forced to do so.
Both companies seem to respect licenses since they publish what libraries/software have been used, if their license tells you so.
http://doc.dl.playstation.net/doc/ps4-oss/
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/oss/

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>>60328621

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Stop using Ubuntu/SUSE/Fedora

>>60328541
>>60318043
>>60321242
>>60321141
>>60321242

How good is AMD for hardware?
I want to do qemu+kvm ,but my current hardware doesn't support VT-d.

I just want to install sound and not care about the technical details. Should i just install alsa and it's done. Or pulseaudio is as functional and simple to install like in my experience with alsa

>>60332444

grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo 
model name    : AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor

grep svm /proc/cpuinfo 
flags        : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt hw_pstate vmmcall npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save

Mine supports it is all I can tell you.

>>60332628
/g/ prefer alsa, i think you can trust'em.
Just install the one you want from the repo and it's done. Nothing special to do.

>>60332628
Go with your distro default, if it doesn't have one alsa is fine, too

>>60332802
I'm using Debain because I'm comfortable with simply doing "apt-get install". Needed to watch a video, asked question here, installed alsa-base and alsa-utils anyway. why would i care about pulseaudio now?

>>60332921
>apt-get
Aptitude is better for debian, it avoids mess with dependencies.

does debian stable come with libre drivers for gtx 970? if not how do i install them?
how do i protect from accidently installing proprietary software?

how can i cross-compile an icon into an exe from gnu-ix??

>>60333139
>nvidia
>libre drivers
kek

>>60333139
Just take the nvidia drivers in the repo.
I have the 970 too, it works, but you will probably need compton if you have tearing and other shit.

>>60333139
>how do i protect from accidently installing proprietary software?
Enable only the main branch, not non-free or contrib.

That's the last part in each line in /etc/sources.list:

deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie main

As fas as I know, that's enough ever since they got rid of the blobs in the kernel.

>>60323124
The current mobo's make it harder. Wait.
Go to level1tech linux forum

Give me Debian 9 this instant.

What's the best way to rip CDs to lossless, high quality .flac files on GNU/Linux? I only have a Samsung dvd/CD sata drive; can I use that?

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It's over. We're finnish.

>>60334038
No there is still debien, there is still arch and all the meme-distros.

>>60334038
>We're finnish.
at least not Russian

>>60334038
>!

>Yeah!

>>60334038
Can't await all these
>LOL give me one (1) reason to install Linux when I can have it on Windows
threads

>>60333706
Can't you wait a bit longer? I have a program that depends on a library from oldstable and I need time to rewrite it to use something else before the next release wipes that library out from existence. Everyone please be patient.

>>60334038
Does it really change anything? People who use GNU/Linux for its technical benefits only would dualboot otherwise anyway.

Maybe it's actually good, more normies will try it, like it, and maybe more will switch.

>>60334203
I use GNU/Linux for its technical benefits only and I like when GNU/Linux is the host and not the guest. M$ OS does not deserve to be host.

>>60334203
>and maybe more will switc
why should they?

>windows "linux" subsystem now including fedora and openSUSE
step 1: embrace
I think we'll get on to extend and extinguish soon enough.

kernel 4.11 been out since forever
no nvidia driver patch in sight
wtf?!

>>60334038
Hopefully this is just Microsoft trying to steal back the developers that use Mac just because of the *nix environment. Worst case scenario, Microsoft is trying to subvert and exert control over those distros. Also, those distros are all backed by companies. I kind of expected better from red hat. True worst case scenario, Microsoft tries to buy canonical after the IPO.

Are there actually any commonly used licences that are open source, but not fully free/FSF approved?

Is monica my best bet for software display calibration? Also tried lbprof or however and it just did not work

>>60334326
>no nvidia driver patch in sight
wut?

>>60334463
Some. Check the yellow lines:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

>>60334571
can't run the 4.11 kernel with the current official nvidia drivers
...unless you're running the neuouiaouvo drivers I guess

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>>60328621
There is no software but Free Software, and Stallman is its prophet. Hallelujah!

>>60334745
>pic
that's cultural appropriation

>>60334038
MS/Linux... It looks like the age of the Linux desktop is finally here!

>>60334691
I'm still on 4.9 on my meme-distro.
It werks so...

>>60334852
>doesn't even contain any linux
>people still call it linux
no surprise

>>60334873
it works on everything prior to 4.11
I'm stuck on 4.10.13 because of that
I mean there is some bullshit workaround they proposed, but that defeats the purpose of running the official driver

>>60334755
I'm white and I just cooked a stir fry and egg drop soup. Is that cultural appropriation too?

>>60334947
Just wait...

>>60334878
technically, the wsl translates syscalls (that would go to linux) to a language that nt understands, so it's still a system for linux, or a linux system

>>60334984
Linus pls

>>60334984
What's the point of that? What does it different than cygwin or just running a VM?

>>60334984
>the true masters of linux will be appearing soon

>>60334984
So it's GNU/NT.

>>60334949
No, you're just a faggot`

Holy new thread: >>60335038

>>60335020
kek

>>60335007
it makes microsoft and canonical great again

>>60334947
As if you know of anything in the 4.11 release that effects you positively.

>>60335168
11 is a greater # than 10 anon
!!!!
your lack of autism disgusts me

>>60335235
Not him but seriously, there is no real difference at this point...