>25k after incentives (poorfags) >safest car ever (safe

>>60277293
Does it run gentoo?

it's a lithium hog tho and batteries will need to be replaced.

Let's see how long those incentives last after they start selling 100K cars/year.
>implying people will pay higher taxes to buy electric cars for other people

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>>60277355
The Federal $7500 tax credit expires after a manufacturer sells 200k qualifying cars total; Tesla will probably hit this number a year or two after the Model 3 his mass production, depending on how many they sell domestically versus export. GM will also likely exhaust its credits by 2019, if the Bolt & Volt keep selling at their current pace.

>>60277293
>OP is a fag

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>>60277293
>>0~60 faster than 150k cars (muh speed fags)

How much does it weight?
Can I work on it myself?
Does it handle well? (see first question)
Can I drift it?
Can I rally it?
Can I autocross it?


Hardly a "muh speed fags", or gearhead car.
Gear is the key word.

>>60277318
Kinda like oil...

>>60278528
>How much does it weight?
probably 3800-4000 lbs
>Can I work on it myself?
in your dreams
>Does it handle well? (see first question)
Not likely.
>Can I drift it?
nope
>Can I rally it?
nope
>Can I autocross it?
maybe for 2 minutes before it overheats.

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reminder to get GNU or get out.

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///M POWER

>>60277293
Wtf is that electric lawnmower?

>>60277293
>if it breaks in any way or gets in a fender bender it takes 2 months to get it shipped to a repair facility, fixed and then shipped back to you
>you have no car during these 2 months
>literally every other brand of car can get minor repairs done within a few hours at a local dealership

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>>60277293
Will the Tesla related butthurt ever stop?
The Hyundai ioniq is much more economical than any Tesla, btw.

Cue the oil shills coming out of the woodwork saying that "batteries make more carbon than ICEs"

>>60277318
An equal amount of lithium will take you a great deal farther than an equal amount of gasoline. Lithium is recyclable and basically landfill safe.

>>60278573
How much oil do you figure I could buy for the price of a battery replacement?

>>60278688
Tesla doesn't have dealerships due to retarded laws

Look it up

>>60279063
No, because Tesla figured out how to get people to spend $100k on their cars.

Their buyers are not people who would have otherwise brought a prius, but these are people who would have bought a 7 series BMW.

The pay back period for a tesla is in the decades.
If people wanted to save money they would buy a hybrid.
If people wanted to save the environment they would buy some economical ICE car

What people want is to be see driving a status symbol of wealth and exclusivity

>>60277318
>batteries will need to be replaced.

Not really, in modern EV's the batteries are designed to last just as long as the car itself. If something goes wrong, in the worst case scenario you'll have to replace it in like 10 years maybe, but by then battery prices will probably have fallen to a third or less of what it is today, so that's no big deal at all.

>>60279369
You are correct.
There already exists businesses that will 'fix' your prius battery for you for much less than a new one.

its not like all the cells go back at once, they just find the bad one, put in a new one and its done.
Lots of labor to do so, but it is being done.

Consumer reports did an article about a 10 year old prius compared to how it performed when it was new, there was barely any change in terms of performance. Yes it went down slightly, but nothing like dropping off a cliff shit.

>>60279358
How is a hybrid cheaper? You can charge for free at superchargers and plenty of other places

>>60279358
or you know, owning the fastest production car on the planet

>>60277293
>Safest car ever
If a heavy truck hits you, the truck will win. Don't try and pull the same BS that Smart Car owners do.
>Self driving
Not really. You still need to be attentive to the road.
>0-60 fast
Sure, until Tesla remotely disables your car's launch as punishment for using it. Look it up, they cite battery concerns.
>Costs nothing to operate
Insurance is still the same, gas is only marginally more expensive than the electricity, and maintenance only looks cheap right now because the cars are all new. It'll be a bitch when shit breaks and Tesla's non-existent repair network comes to light.
>environmentally friendly
Consumer cars aren't a significant source of CO2 compared to industries and aircraft.

Also this is your daily reminder that Tesla remotely disables fast charging on your car if you use it too much. Enjoy having to plan an extra hour of sitting for every 3 hours of an actual road trip, teslafags.

>>60279417
Just do the math.

How much does a Tesla cost ?
a 90D costs about 87K
price goes up further if you want premium shit like auto pilot or other things
You could easily price it well beyond 100K


A Honda Accord Hybrid costs about 30K in California, but fuck it lets just say 35K because you got some options and shit with it.

The difference between the two is 52K .
Let's ignore the cost of electricity for the Tesla and you get it for free 100% of the time.
The EPA's estimated annual cost of gas for the Accord is $750.

You would have to own that Tesla for your entire life before you break even

>>60279635
You should include the base model 3 in your calculations instead

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>>60278633
>likes modern bmw
>femanon

confirmed for never worked on cars

>>60279635
>Comparing two cars in completely different price classes instead of the model that's actually supposed to be more budget friendly and will start at 35K
Delete your account

>>60279589
Not the guy, but electric engines are much more suited for cars than combustion engines. If both were invented today, there is no way anyone would even try to make the combustion engine suitable for car use. All the fucking stupid shit they have invented over the years just to make it work is ridicules.

The only thing that positive thing about the combustion engine is the much more energy dense fuel.

>cars aren't a significant source of CO2 compared to industries and aircraft.
The environment isn't only about global warming. Electric cars pollute the air with much less than combustion. And this has a much greater impact on you individually.

>>60277309
Maybe
https://electrek.co/2016/04/21/tesla-hacker-gentoo-model-s/

>>60279589
sauce for remote disabling of ludicrous more (or whatever it is that you claim they disabled) and fastcharging? I couldn't find anything.

Don't sperg out on me, I'm just asking, not a Tesla fanboy.

>>60279589
I agree completely

People don't understand that the biggest danger from cars is not global warming, but rather smog, CO, NOx, aromatics and particulate matter that gets concentrated in cities

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>Tesla Model 3
>one look at the interior

360 and walk away.

>>60277293
Can I hook up a camper and go on a vacation with the car?
Electric cars are not up for this.
So basically I should either get two cars not go camping that way.

>>60279697
>being told to compare a car that is available for purchase to one that isn't right now

Do you shill for AMD products as well ?
>Just w-w-wait for the next model !

>>60279967
>Implying people who look at a Tesla Model S will consider a 30K hybrid and vice versa
You literally said it yourself
>Their buyers are not people who would have otherwise brought a prius, but these are people who would have bought a 7 series BMW.

we also have no idea the costs over a term longer than five years. if the cars are anything like the current trend of electronics, it will be obsolete and made unusable via software updates after five years

>>60280060
which was part of my point.

You don't buy a tesla to save money.
You don't buy a tesla to save the environment.


Right now as it stands, a fuel efficient hybrid saves more money and a fuel efficient ICE car is better for the environment

>>60279417
I drive an $8K Chevy Cruze 2012, I could drive decades on $100K worth of gas.

Electric cars won't take off until there's a healthy resale market.

>>60277355
>Let's see how long those incentives last after they start selling 100K cars/year.

This.

I got about 10k euro's in subsidies to buy a 29k euro electric car.
And that's not counting all the gas taxes (about €0.77 per liter) I won't be paying.

I love driving electric, but it's nowhere close to economically viable yet.

>>60279874
Year, the whole 1 centered monitor thing is a little strange but I'd deal with it just to know that I'm not tanking on shitskin oil anymore.

>>60279728
https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2016/12/23/tesla-limiting-power-performance-launch-mode/amp/

>>60280109
>Electric cars won't take off until there's a healthy resale market.

Which is unlikely.

After about 7 years or so the battery will be fucked, and it will cost at least 8k to replace it.
Good luck getting 8k for a 7 year old electric car when newer models have much bigger range.....

What we really need is an open standard for batteries, so you can buy cheap 3rd party batteries or upgrade batteries in older cars.

>>60277293
$0.02 has been deposited in your account ,rajeem

>>60280109
And with an electric car you wouldn't have to spend anything on fuel

>>60279899
>So basically I should either get two cars not go camping that way.

Just rent a car when you go on holiday.

>>60279728
>>60280178
Richard Stallman should be triggered by this. The company you bought your car from can remotely disable it at their own whim.
We need an open source Tesla.

>>60279589
>Tesla remotely disables fast charging on your car if you use it too much.

Is this to protect the batteries or to save on electricity?

>>60279899
electric towing capacity will destroy ICE

we just need bigger batteries. if they built campers with batteries built in to supplement the car you would be good to go (sufficient brakes necessary too).

Also at most U.S. campsites you get 220V outlets provided FREE at your campsite so you can easily recharge overnight

>>60280179
>After about 7 years or so the battery will be fucked, and it will cost at least 8k to replace it.
>Good luck getting 8k for a 7 year old electric car
>What we really need is an open standard for batteries, so you can buy cheap 3rd party batteries or upgrade batteries in older cars.

>I don't know anything about modern battery technology

>>60280190
>spend anything on fuel
You guys keep uttering this lie constantly.


Are you going to hang out at starbucks every time you need to recharge your car ?
Also the new Model 3 only comes with a set amount of credits for free supercharging. about 1/10 of what you will use for the whole year

>>60280247
>>>60280178
Battery concerns

>>60279369
>by then battery prices will probably have fallen to a third or less of what it is today

Unless they decide to make a nice profit.

AFAIK all batteries are locked down proprietary shit and incompatible from year to year.

So good luck #1 finding an old proprietary battery that hasn't been used in new cars for 10 years.
And #2 convincing the (((car manufacturer))) to sell you that battery with a small profit margin instead of a brand new car with a huge profit margin.

>>60280273
>I don't know anything about debating.

>>60279417
Supercharging is no longer free, fyi. You only get ~1k miles worth of free supercharging annually. After that it's going to be dependent on electricity prices in the given locale.

Also, he said:

>the pay back period for a tesla is in the decades

Yes spending nothing on gas is cheaper than spending a little bit on gas, but do you really spend tens of thousands of dollars on gas any given year? It'll take you a LONG time before operation costs of a premium-tier Tesla would become cheaper than a hybrid. Model 3 could bring that down, but you still have to pay for energy, it's not like you completely eliminate the operation costs.

If you're a poorfag you aren't going to buy an expensive car now because you'll (maybe, assuming energy costs don't change over the next decade) break even ten years from now. You'll buy a cheap used car that you can actually afford.

>not driving a Honda Accord
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>>60279899
Where is your god now?

>>60279310
Good.

This will trigger the EV fags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ3tEAT97B8

>>60280283
Nope, because I don't live in a third world country like the US and the station where I normally get gas has free EV charging

>>60280257
>electric towing capacity will destroy ICE

I don't even know of a single electric car model that offers a towing hook.

I would want one to tow a boat about 2km to the docks but no luck.

>>60280358
>After about 7 years or so the battery will be fucked, and it will cost at least 8k to replace it.

>what is the gigafactory
>what is panasonic

>What we really need is an open standard for batteries, so you can buy cheap 3rd party batteries or upgrade batteries in older cars.

>what is batteries being sold at-cost already
>what is being able to buy Tesla batteries in bulk
>what is finding one bad cell and replacing it

>>60280257
Bigger batteries also leads to less room for adding the structural modifications needed for it.
>>60280371
Can I hook it up legally?

>>60280395
your biggest problem will be the brakes and regen, which is why there aren't towing packages available

>>60280395
some company just announced their electric pickup (with range extender) it's aim at fleet usage though

I really want one but I'm from a third world country so whatever really.

>>60280425
I realize towing 200km isn't an option.

But this is literally 2km I'm talking about, just to get the boat into the water.
And no motorway.

I do realize lugging a towing hook around all year long is kinda stupid.
But so is buying a second car and paying road taxes just to pull a couple of km each year.

>>60280395
>>60280416

Tesla X has a hook option and can be retrofitted to a model S, too.

>>60280495
>what is a car rental

>>60280257
>if they built campers with batteries built in to supplement the car you would be good to go

For safety reasons the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed vehicle.
So you would be very limited in the size of battery in the camper.

>>60280495
http://www.teslarati.com/how-to-install-tesla-model-x-hitch/

>>60280528
>For safety reasons the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed vehicle.

bullshit

>>60279369
Batteries aren't CPUs, advancement of batteries is notoriously slow. Don't be so optimistic.

>>60280562
This thread is only for people with a driver's license, sorry.

>>60280585
if you had a driver's license, maybe you would have seen a fucking SEMI-TRUCK at some point

or do you think that the semi cab is somehow heavier than the 20 ton load?

>>60280575
It's already dropped 80% in just 6 years. Battery advancement has been slow because there hasn't been a whole lot of demand. EVs are changing that.

https://electrek.co/2017/01/30/electric-vehicle-battery-cost-dropped-80-6-years-227kwh-tesla-190kwh/

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>>60279682
I like the one I posted more. Or this one

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>>60280585
This is my pop's superduty

It can tow 21000 lbs conventionally

Do you honestly think that the truck weighs more than 21000 lbs?

Are you a fucking moron?

>>60280656
>can't turn off traction control and other nannies
>blueprinted engine just to raise repair costs
>not really that fast
Modern bmw a shit

>>60280528
>For safety reasons the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed vehicle.

Why do people come on the internet and pretend they know facts?

T minus 2 minutes until anon claims to have baited us

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>>60280700
I like it (:

If fast charging stations were more abundant, I'd consider a Tesla. The cheaper models only get what, 200 miles? I do 100 in commute in one day. What if I'm going across state lines right after work?

Do they make portable battery chargers for a Tesla? I'd buy one if Anker made one

I can't wait for Teslas Model Y, an electric compact SUV is my dream car

>>60280247
It is to tell you that you need to go in and pay another 100k for another Tesla.

I am a poor Jewish millenial woman concerned for her safety and constantly in a hurry, would you recommend this car to me?

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hello jee

i just started using sublime text after dumping Atom.

do i really need to buy a license or is this a winrar kind of deal?


also IDE thread, post preferences

>>60280747
>I do 100 in commute in one day

It's obviously not for you then.

I hate people that shit up EV threads with these ridiculous fucking usage scenarios that 99% of people don't have. "I sometimes drive on a whim to the top of mt. everest, WHEN will electric cars be able to do that?!!"

Who the fuck spends 4 hours a day commuting? Why the fuck is this even acceptable to them?

>>60279874
Nig nogs try and steal my "tablet" can't drive again...

>>60280747
That's a chicken-and-egg argument tho
"I'd use EVs if there were more charging stations"
"I'd build charging stations if more people drive EVs"

>>60280371
How far can you pull this thing on the X' full battery charge?

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/o/ I need your guys opinion on this, basically I want a 5 series. Overall this is the price I can easily afford, but what about the maintenance of a 4 year vehicle with 30k miles already on it?

https://www.carmax.com/car/13873831

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If you don't drive one of these you're not white.

>>60280782
>100 miles
>4 hours
Hour and a half my nibba

>>60280782
It's 2 hours not 4. And the car would serve me fine if all I were doing was going back and forth to work. Then again I. Could own a Tesla for commute and a fun car for anything else. Maybe a mustang GT 5.0?

>>60280833
>traffic doesn't exist


it's still fucking ridiculous

>>60280841
Not where I'm from friend

>>60280837
now I know you're trolling

the signature of an EV troll...change the discussion to american muscle cars

>>60280818
>>60280819

>>60280854
>commute 100 miles
>clearly not an urban center since apparently zero traffic
>anon is going to convince us that he's the intelligent one

If this isn't an urban center with an inflated housing market there's zero fucking reasons to waste 1/6 of your waking hours sitting in a car

>>60277293
>25K
>poorfags

What does it mean when I only buy used cars within $1000 price range? Destitute?

>>60280818
>but what about the maintenance of a 4 year vehicle with 30k miles already on it
just regular maintenance? 30k miles isn't much

>>60280818
I have a 25 year old daily commuting car with 180k miles and I don't do any maintenance beyond fluids and brake pads

it's a non-intereference engine so I literally drive it until it breaks, swap all the belts, pumps, and seals for a couple hundred bucks and it's good to go for another 10 years.

>>60277293
Where do you live that incentives drop the lrice down to $25k? Also
>takes an hour to "fill up"
>takes longer if you have to wait for someone else to finish charging their car
>$100k car with a $60k interior
>no exhaust note
>depreciation

Don't get me wrong. I think the cars are beautiful both in aesthetics and engineering. It's also a really strong step towards a greener future. They just need to sort out the interior and the charging before I would consider buying one. Even then, if I had $100k to drop on a car, I probably wouldn't buy a Tesla.

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>>60280940
Homeless...

>>60277293
>can't drive cross country in it in less than a week

>>60279369
>you'll have to replace it in like 10 years maybe
Unlike my '97 volvo.

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>>60281002
The battery cost them 8k to make, yet they charged their own customers 25k. Overall its stupid shit like this that breaks all the fucking time which drives up the price of the Model S.

>B-b-b-b-but what about when you have to replace the battery???
By then the Gigafactory will have brought down the prices on battery by a metric fuckton, you idiots. There's no reason to not get an EV at this point when you have stuff like the Renault Zoe that's rated at 400 kilometers on a charge, unless you somehow have to commute to a different country daily.

>>60279358
>The pay back period for a tesla is in the decades.
There is no pay back period. It's a fucking car, it doesn't make you money, it costs money and depreciates.

You're like a bot throwing out meaningless buzzwords

>>60281013
>it won't take me to the moon and back on one charge

>>60281038
>unless you somehow have to commute to a different country daily.

I commute 400km to work each day towing my tiny house, how do you honestly expect this EV crap to ever catch on if I can't even use it yet?

>>60281042
Technically like all cars its a means to an end. You can buy a 20k Honda Civic and over the years it will cost less overall than OP's 25k Tesla. That being said you can also buy a Lambo and save some money on hookers and callgirls.

>>60279874
Do not want

I won't drive a car without a dashboard.

I want manual analog controls. I don't mind a touchscreen but only as an accent not the entire dashboard and not centered instead of fucking in front of me. No, I'm not going to glance to my right every time I want to check my speed or see which way my blinkers are indicating, or to activate my wipers and headlights.

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>>60281003
Nice Lexus IS 200 and 2012 MacBook Pro you got here

>>60281115
Its a 2013 MBP...

>>60281023
Your average ICE car from 97 has undergone far more repairs and service hours than EV servicing would cost in its lifetime, including a potential battery change.

>>60281094
Right? Think someone even tweeted him "Can we get like a 2" screen in the middle for speed?" or something like that and he said no.

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>>60281134

>>60281054
If across the country is to the moon and back we've had cars that can do that for sixty years
but teslas still can't

>>60280889
50 miles each way really isn't bad, friend. I'm 20 miles from the closest grocery store.

>>60281284
>50 miles each way really isn't bad

it's stupid as shit and unless you work in a major urban center for $$$, no explanation is going to make me think otherwise

>environmentally friendly (woman)
I care about the environment. Does that make me a girl (male)?

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>>60277293
It's going to be a problem when it breaks down isn't it?
>just buy another one what are you poor

>>60277293
First electric/hybrid I've ever seen than didn't look like complete shit.

>>60281456
Yes, if you don't enjoy breathing exhaust fumes while you drive you're a girl.

>>60281474
Its going to be a problem when any car breaks down. But less moving parts, murphy's law ect.
Its got a warranty like any other car, and you can get insurance, like any other car.

>>60281456
trees are for fags

steel is real

>>60281076
>Commuting 400km to work
Do you commute from Libya to Europe, or what?

>>60281474
electric engines have way less moving parts

you can't seriously be using the prospect of breaking down against EV adoption

>>60281641
You 100% can, just not for the engines.

>>60281673
What part can't be repaired?

>>60281784
batteries.
Replace those, and you might as well be replacing the car.

>>60281807
Kinda like an electric golf cart....

>>60277293
Yes Tesla are great

I hope you fags realize that less moving parts = less likely to break down that luxury cars normally do and cost you a ton in repairs

>>60281807
Except batteries CAN be repaired, and except they're far from so expensive that you "might as well replace the car" and also except that batteries are also very reliable and won't just simply break down.

>>60281807
>The Model 3 will have a warranty similar to that for the Model S, including an eight-year, infinite-mile, transferable warranty on the battery pack and drive unit, Musk said on Twitter in August 2014. That’s important because Consumer Reports dinged the company last year for reports of excessive drivetrain problems.

Not bad. Also it's not like every battery fails at once.

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>>60277293
>environmentally friendly
https://youtu.be/MQLbakWESkw

>>60281807
What? You get an 8 year warranty, and in 8 years batteries will be insanely cheap anyways.

>>60277293
you mean it's literally perfect?

>>60281969
technically* perfect

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>>60281944
>the most interesting thing comes at the very end of the video and he doesn't even explain it

>>60281807
modern cylindrical battery cells (especially the 2170) are extremely reliable

>>60280575
Tesla's Gigafactory is already producing batteries and will ramp up production soon. Their goal is to reduce the cost of the batteries by 30%.

>>60281609
the good thing about conventional vehicles is the aftermarket parts. We have 30 year old cars still running because parts are aplenty, and people who can repair it are likewise widely available.

>>60281641
when some part of an EV breaks, you send it to one channel. When some part of your standard car breaks, you find your local mechanic or you send it to one of the many "manufacturer-authorized" repair centers as implied by >>60279589
I'm not against adoption, but I rather have other people pay to beta test the whole transition for me. I'd get an EV when it has the same support network and ease-of-repair and replacement enjoyed by conventional vehicles.
>being an early adopter of technology when other people can do it for you

>>60282130
https://youtu.be/GRR31NaXoVw

>>60282130
>when some part of an EV breaks, you send it to one channel.

this isn't true though

yes you would send your tesla to telsa but that's because it is under warranty for 8 years

as we've already seen, there are third party mechanics that will repair Prius batteries and engines no problem

There are a ton of guys on Endless Sphere, etc that tear down nissan leaf, prius, spark, etc batteries and rebuild them. it's really not rocket science, hell I've built my own packs for whole-house UPS using the Panny GA cells, a cheap BMS and an inverter

Lots of people are doing this too in motor homes and tiny houses. The tech and knowledge is all out there.

>>60282070
teslas use 18650s.

>>60282255
not anymore

>>60282220
I'd give it a few more years to mature further. There's literally no practical reason to go EV right not aside from
>muh environment
>muh muh bleeding edge
Price it at or a bit lower than your standard reliable econobox to push adoption rates

>>60282255
The Gigafactory is making 2170's

>>60281885
what's the cost breakdown, then?

>>60282355
a big tesla-like battery currently costs ~$8k. Gigafactory 1 is supposed to cut those costs by 30%, so more like $6k. A single cell costs about $5. You can use diagnostic software built into the BMS or (if your battery manufacturer are jews) just use a multimeter to track down the bad cell. Swap it out and you're done. If you have a spot welder, even better (can build one for $60 with a SLA). Eventually these batteries will all be modular so replacing bad cells will be as trivial as replacing a blown fuse

>>60282477
a quick google shows that the average family spends around $900 per car annually, so about $9000 per ten years. At 6-8K on battery per ten years, that certainly makes some economic sense.
But taking into account the lack of infrastructure for recharging, the lack of range for any given 8-hour span, as well as my not taking into account any other possible car maintenance, they probably won't be replacing outright just yet.
I would imagine it being able to replace one of the average two cars a family has, however.

>>60282609
>At 6-8K on battery per ten years, that certainly makes some economic sense.

A battery will last more than 10 years on average, and price will continue to go down, so that number is way higher than reality.

>>60282650
realistically it might not come down that much.

How much larger does the gigafactory have to become or what efficiencies will have exist to further drop the price ?


While the cost to make the battery might more or less remain flat, what might change are the processes or techniques that will drive up power vs weight.

Just look at phones, there hasn't been any large breakthrough battery tech, its mostly small incremental gains at this point.

>>60282477
>Eventually these batteries will all be modular so replacing bad cells will be as trivial as replacing a blown fuse
until it does I'll be sticking with ICVs

>>60278528
>Can I drift it?
>Can I rally it?
>Can I autocross it?
EVs don't have E brakes.

Personally I like the idea of the Chevy Volt better. 95% of my driving done is within 50 miles, so you still get the cost savings. But unlike a Tesla you can do roadtrips.

>>60277293
>charging stations still aren't everywhere
>tiny car, good for single person daily driver but not very versatile

>>60282708
phone and laptop gains are largely from processor draw improvements. Cars can probably still make strides in that regard as well, but they also definitely have a hard limit of physics that we aren't entirely sure CPUs have.

>>60282760
>But unlike a Tesla you can do roadtrips.
You can do roadtrips with a Tesla, their supercharger network covers pretty much the entire developed world.

>>60282851
and no back roads.

>>60282877
It has the range to allow you to drive on whatever road you want 90% of the way and only enter the major traffic veins when you need to find a charger.

>>60282851
how is that any different from say gas stations ?

>For Teslas ordered after January 1, 2017, 400 kWh of free Supercharging credits (roughly 1,000 miles) will be included annually so that all owners can continue to enjoy free Supercharging during travel


Like I said before, if you want to save money just buy a hybrid.

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>>60279899
https://www.thrillist.com/cars/nation/tesla-model-x-beats-alfa-romeo-4c-in-drag-race-while-towing-one

>>60277293
lol no range overheat, 5k lbs piece of trash

There's also the question of botnet. Sure you might not care that the gubbamint knows where you are at all times on your daily shit or even road trips, but there's a very real chance of stalking in one form or another.
I hope that build-your-own from parts or something similar becomes viable, 'cause otherwise yeah no thanks.

>>60282914
which you have to stay near overnight and pay for hotels.

>>60282935
>400 kWh of free Supercharging credits (roughly 1,000 miles)
lel what a scam, can't wait to see when they make their batteries proprietary so you can't replace them with a cheaper one

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Best car/computer combo

>>60282976
fords are no comparison to thinkpads.

>>60282974
Imagine being so entitled you literally consider free stuff to be a scam

>>60283000
>implying the 400kwh aren't included in the price
good goy

>>60283000
>wow they gave me a free warranty!
no they charged you more for the car regularly then called the warranty free

Its like Playstation network with PS+. No you fucking retard, its not 5 dollars a month for the online service and you get free games magically. Its 5 dollars a month for online access and the games that come with it. No where are the free games ever free. Paying for "free stuff" is not free

Call me when batteries get as good energy density as gasoline

>>60283012
Those goys totally buy it, a 100K car comes with ~$50 worth of electricity for free each year.

>>60282851
Can you drive from Los Angeles to NYC in a Tesla Model S on Superchargers only yet?

>>60283151
it'll take 2789mi

tesla only has a range of 400 miles

assuming each super charger is EXACTLY 400 miles away the entire ride thats about 7 charges all the way there each charge takes like half an hour to an hour depending on the temperature and shit so yea enjoy hanging around for like 4-7 hours just charging your piece of shit lightbulb car

>>60277293
You forgot:
>all modern calls are literal botnet that collect data and phone home

>>60280998
I drive a 23 year old pickup truck
It burns oil and the radiator has a massive hole in it
It gives no fucks and keeps going

>>60283182
>400 mi range
yeah, probably driving 50mph with windows up and AC off

>>60283228
exactly

>>60283151
Yes

>>60283182
You would stop for that long anyway to eat and sleep. If not you are insane.

Tesla are the best cars

https://youtu.be/ib-02b2ooLY?t=4m6s

Also thanks Elon for the 60% increase in TSLA stock.

>>60282760
Just so you know, out of the three auto sports named, autocross is the only one that absolutely doesn't need an E Brake, you could proably rally without one but hydros are usually equipped in them just in case. Don't see them being viable track vehicles of any kind unmodified though, LiOn batteries don't like heat.

>>60283306
I figured as such but autocrossing a 5000 pound landbarge doesnt sound very doable no matter how you put it. Especially not rally. Those batteries probably get 30 miles on a charge tops when you're balls to the wall with the throttle. You won't be doing much regenerative braking either.

How often do people really drive across the country?

Why wouldn't you rent instead of putting a thousands of miles on your personal car?

I rented a car for a week and it only cost me $70. My credit card comes with free car rental insurance as well (sapphire preferred). Why would anyone save $70 vs putting 1000s miles on their cars and risking road hazards?

Face it, Teslas are literally perfect.

>>60283820
>Why wouldn't you rent instead of putting a thousands of miles on your personal car?

because rental cars have mileage allowance you dumbshit

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>won't vrrrroooom
>full of nanny electronics
>generic and boring design
>heavy (reminder that fast doesn't equal agile and/or fun to drive)
>silent
Soulless car.

>>60283820
I go on long trips once or twice a year to visit family.

Can't stand the airlines so I just drive.

>>60283878
Pay the extra $10 you cheap jew

>>60283285
>You would stop for that long anyway to eat and sleep. If not you are insane.
No of course you would, it takes about 4 days to drive all that way but you're still losing tons of time to charging

>>60280700
>>60279682
The moment they gave front wheel drive OK is when they completely sold out to faggots, soccer moms and rich chinks.

>>60283885
>reminder that fast doesn't equal agile and/or fun to drive
Electric cars accelerate a good deal faster than gas-powered cars.

>>60283919
>drive 5000 miles on rental car
>"oh that'll be ten bucks extra"
in what world do you live in

>>60279682
Not every femanon has shit taste in cars.

Also, girls who browse this board are not retarded enough to call themselves "femanons". Only the most attention-starved roasties call attention to the fact that they're girls.

>>60279874
Is that what the production dash is going to look like ?
Having lived in Atlanta - that screen wouldn't make it 24 hours if parked on the street.

>fast 0-60

and then it promptly gets spanked by anything because electric motors have nothing in the top end

>>60279874
>screen breaks
>cant use AC
>cant listen to music
>cant lock or unlock your doors
>probably can't start the car

naaaahhh

>not $20K with 100Wh battery
>doesn't charge to 50% in 10 minutes
Wake me up when this happens.

>>60277293
>25k (poorfags)
Negro that's a year's salary. We're driving used gas sippers out here for the price of the battery pack in that thing.

>>60286504
>50kWh in 10 minutes
I guess there's a reason so many people block you, as if being a retarded tripfag wasn't enough.

>>60286559
If you're making minimum wage you're not buying a new car anyway.

>>60286223

Yeah but if youre only driving it in normal circumstances acceleration is pretty mainly the only stat that matters.

>>60286583
Shouldn't be buying one unless you're so well off that lighting five thousand dollars on fire wouldn't even require relooking at your budget. That's what happens when you purchase a "cheap" new car.

Also 25k is 67% more than what someone working US minimum wage makes working 40 hours a week.