If i self taught myself C++ and have no certificates to back

Use ur skills offering db work to local businesses

>>60264263
Coding skills are outsourcable and provide 0 employability points. Code as a hobby and get donations. Learn hardware and networking for a real job.

>>60265647
>hardware and networking
I detest both.

>Donations

How do you get donations as a programmer? I can imagine getting donations as an artist, making porn or whatever, but as a programmer?

>>60264263
Judging from your English if say there's not much chance of you scoring work

>>60265777
Do you always, 100% of the time, when on the internet, write with absolute perfect grammar and interpunction and everything?

>>60265683
you need more than c++ to earn money, unless you find the perfect c++ project you won't have any future without more knowledge.

Learn different language retard

>>60264263
You're probably better off doing web dev if you want to freelance. No one's going to hire a random dude to code up some C++. Best bet is with school assignments or projects or stuff like that.

>>60265915
not op, but what about python?

>>60265936
Im OP, was thinking that actually, so there is zero reasons to go into C++ if im pre-college?

>>60265967
C++ dev for 15 years here and I don't really see how you'd be able to "do some C++ on the side" for pocket change. Contributing to some open sauce project and doing bug fixing bounties maybe but unlikely. Most proprietary C++ code bases I've seen are huge, complex, written in ancient standard, home rolled libs etc. Not something you do on the side since it would require some serious commitment.

I picked up some C# to make a few quick bucks adding features to small companies own software made by consultants. 3-4 hours to add some simple shit and they decently since they know what consultants. I got the gigs by word of mouth though so it isn't exactly easy to find customers willing to pay under the table.

>>60265967
>so there is zero reasons to go into C++ if im pre-college?
Depends on where you live and what you want to do. Like I said, no one's going to hire a random to write C++ on the side. The applications that genuinely require C++ are very domain specific with strict real time requirements and the language itself is complex and takes longer to develop in than something like Java. That being said, if you live in a city like Chicago or NYC that are major finance hubs, there's a demand for C++ developers to do infrastructure work in banks, hedge funds, prop shops, etc. There are obviously other fields as well like game dev.

>>60264263
if you want to be taken seriously in any field, do things experts in your field recognize.
Self taught C++ programmer is a joke to most people.
Everybody is self taught.
Going to a university doesn't mean you don't have to teach yourself, you are never spoonfed information.
But a degree proves something.
What it says to employers is that you can set goals for yourself, and stick with those goals for a longer set of time.
Programming is more than just learning the syntax of a language.
Nobody is impressed by that.
If you take a degree, learning programming is just a tiny fraction of the syllabus.

If you insist on getting jobs without any degree or official training, expect that it is harder to get hired and easier to be let go.

>>60265647
>Coding skills are outsourcable

Only if the work being outsourced doesn't depend on the programmer needing knowledge of the codebase.

>>60266330
What should i do then if i have few years of amateur C++ experience, bunch of unfinished shit 2d game prototypes and a high school (with it specialization because im not from the US), while on top of all i live in middle of nowhere?
>>60266358
I know about that, having a portfolio to get hired and all, i was wondering about making some money before my college starts.

>>60264263
Cybercrime

>>60266358
>If you insist on getting jobs without any degree or official training, expect that it is harder to get hired and easier to be let go.

Usually, you only get fired if you suck at your job. It doesn't matter if you have a degree or not.

>>60266389
>What should i do then if i have few years of amateur C++ experience,
Pick up another language or hobby for doing shit on the side.
>bunch of unfinished shit 2d game prototypes
Why are they unfinished? This is red flags to any employer. It shows you have no commitment.
>i live in middle of nowhere?
Do websites and offer to maintain your community's website or something. It's not the 90s early 00s so your options are limited with no experience.

Sure, learning C++ in 2017 so you can make shitty 2D games seems like a wise use of time. 100% hire.

>>60266482
Mostly because i ran out of creativity. Im a shit designer.
Another reason why they are unfinished is half of them were made when i was like 16.
>Do websites
So webdev then, got it, got few months of free time before college so i'll try to go for that. And finish one of those projects.

>>60264263

everybody can write a for loop or even create an object and maybe write a recursive function.

If you are really interested in this world well the world it's your oyster, but if you just learn some C++ doesn't mean that you can code properly for a production ready environment.

If you want to get a job as a programmer be prepared to discuss at least data structures, complexities, maths, paradigms, and sw engineering techniques... etc all stuff that you get with a computer science degree.

>>60266389
>I know about that, having a portfolio to get hired and all, i was wondering about making some money before my college starts.
Then write that in your application.
There is a world of difference between "m'lday, I am a self taught programmer" and "I am starting at college in few months but I wan to have more practical experience."
Don't be afraid of being honest about that you need a job short term, it is a lot less risk for them if they know this.

As for competing with indians, include a picture of your face.
People are more likely to trust white people.

>>60266718
>As for competing with indians, include a picture of your face.

It's actually recommended not to include a picture of your face because it would increase the liability for the employer. They wouldn't want to be accused of discrimination. There's no need to do it either, they could tell that you're not Indian by your name.

>>60266844
I always include a picture of my face.
I have never been unemployed.

>>60266879
None of the applicants applying to the company I work at put faces on their resumes. I guess this is a cultural thing.

>>60266927
must be.
Here it is also very common to apply for jobs regardless of who is seeking.
It is much easier to just get a job before it is created, then you are not competing with people.

>>60266442
>Usually, you only get fired if you suck at your job.
Nonsense. Plenty of people have been let go because someone else at the company "wasn't comfortable" with them being around. I'd day that losing a job with the real reasons being personal/political (official reasons may be whatever) actually happens far more often than on technical grounds. As a matter of fact, lots of people who know shit and do shit don't have to worry because they're "on good terms" with the right folks, are members of "protected minorities" (nobody is going to risk accusations of "discrimination", so nobody touches them), etc.

>>60266879
Maybe you have looks which works to your advantage. Not everyone has the looks and charisma of a news anchor.

ITT: you must have a degree, vast knowledge and experience, look good on a picture, have the right friends and connections, and be no older than 30 to even have the slightest chance of making any money from programming (or just be a pajeet).

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>>60269110
sounds about right, yeah

>>60265798
At least I fucking capitalize my "I"s you illiterate fuck.
>complaining about indians that are more native than you are

Contribute to open source projects.

>>60265647
>things only retards say