explain this shit /g/ >laptop HDD from 12 years ago >no

>>60263426
There is less space on their so there is less chance of something going wrong.

>>60263506
i understand that each sector is less dense but i can't justify such a high difference in quality.

>>60263426
>>always on
so? the hardest strain you can put on an hdd is the startup (spinup) (followed by head parking) not the "keep spinning and reading"

>>60263426
You got lucky, that's all. HDDs can fail on the first boot but they can also last for more than 20 years.

>>60263426
show the actual smart data, surface scans are only one part of the drive

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>>60263843

>>60263426

It is because data density is so bloody high that it only takes a fraction of the physical stress to damage a modern HDD versus units that were made 10-20 years ago.

It doesn't help that market pressure has forced HDD manufacturers to cut corners whenever possible.

>>60263426
I have a 150GB WD drive that was used in a PC that controlled a wood drying chamber for about 15 years, and it still works perfectly. I also have a 500GB from the same company that died in 3 years.

HDD's are a fucking lottery.

>>60264021
that's pretty avg stats for a 40k hour disk

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>>60264021
beat you

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>mfw I bought a refurbished HGST 2TB drive for $30
>mfw it has 72000 hours of use and close to 77TB written to it
>mfw it's still at 100% drive health and 1 reallocated sector.

It's my primary music storage drive. Have it being backed up to a secondary 2TB brand new drive from Seagate.

>>60264132
yeah sure anon at least i give that you are a smartass. It's not even your C drive faggit and it is parking most of the time and it's not a laptop hdd with fans spinning air direct to it.

>>60264189
it will last more than the seagate one lel
noice though

>>60264225
I use my D drive constantly because my C drive is a near perma-full 256GB SSD. Plus I run cryptocurrency nodes when I'm asleep which basically fucking rape drives via constant reads and writes.

>>60263426
laptop hdds spin slower

>>60263426
The density of platters has increased you fucking mongoloid

How the fuck do you manage to dress yourself while being this retarded?

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>>60264132
Oh look at mister big 46k hours

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how is this anons? Its from my old pc , around 8-9 years old i think

>>60264550
>5 reallocated sectors

Starting to go bad, but there are a number of sectors it can reallocate to. That will eventually not be enough and the drive will just start getting smaller until it completely fails.

>>60264550
I just used smartctl and the moment I saw Old_Age I had a sinking feeling inside.

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>>60264578
then this means that my half year old caviar blue is dying tens of times faster, welp shouldve bought hgst i guess

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Should I be worried? This is at least 8 years old (160GB)

>>60263426
Confirmation bias. There aren't any old bad drives because they've already been thrown out. The only old drives around to test are the ones that survived.

>>60264635
survivorship bias actually

>>60264631
If it is your system drive, yes. All it takes is one bad sector to go bad where a critical system file is and your shit no longer boots. The probability of this happening is about the same on a new drive as it is one with little to no bad sectors. If you have a drive that bad sector count is rising, time to replace that shit.

>>60264684
thnx senpai

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Glorious Samsung Spinpoint master race, shame they were gutted by Seagate and turned into shit

>>60263564
If there is a set chance a sector fails per write, a 1TB HDD will have a 10x higher chance of failure than a 100GB drive.

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>>60264612
Why did I even open this thread ;_;

>>60263564
> i understand that each sector is less dense but i can't justify such a high difference in quality.
Laptop hard drives are designed to take more vibration abuse

>>60264787
What about people in california? How to desktops survive?

>>60263624
APM can kill it then. I use hdparm for a reason.

>>60264812
In CA computers are manufactured so that all parts are suspended by elastic bands to absorb G forces in case John Goodman walks by

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>>60264547
look at the hourlet over here

>>60264851
>start stop count
>742

Fucking amateur

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how is my drive doing lads? 7 year old hitachi, should i replace it?

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>>60264844
John Goodman is half the man he used to be

>>60263426
> Western Digital Caviar Black
> WDC WD6401AALS-00J7B1
> 640 GB
> Bought in *2009*
> Used pretty much 24/7 since then
Currently using it as a RAID1 --write-mostly for my 500GB SSD.

Since 2009 I've had something like 6 Seagate Barracuda's die, a Seagate NAS HDD die, 1 WD Green 2TB die, a WD Blue die... and I'm probably forgetting a few.

I think harddrives in general are more garbage today than they were previously but I also think it's the case that premium harddrives (the WD blacks were and still are much more expensive) have higher quality but most people don't buy them.

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What the hell is a high fly write? Should I be concerned?

>>60263624
Spinup does put strain on a harddrive but it's not the worst killer overall.

Research by Google and others who use vast amounts of harddrives shown that rapidly shifting temperature is the number one killer of harddrives.

It doesn't matter that much which way it shifts.

It doesn't really matter much exactly what the room temperature is, all is well as long as it's relatively stable and within sane limits. It doesn't matter if the room is constantly 18C or 24C, that's fine.

If the room temperature is 20C and it rises to 30C within half an hour for some reason or it's winter and you've got 20C inside and -20C outside you open all your windows and leave them open for a while then you're likely to have a very bad day if you've got harddrives spinning.

HDD size does not determine reliability you morons, just look at all the Backblaze statistics over the years.

>>60265461
There's a good paper by google that shows how the drive temps affect failure rate. Not a huge difference, but both high and low temps can cause issues. (couple of graphs on pg 6)

https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//archive/disk_failures.pdf

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should i be concerned

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this seems bad, help. should i replace? this is about 6 years old

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Technology peaked in the 2000s.

Then in the late 2000s Apple came around with iPhone, iPad and all that iShit and then normies got into "technology". Companies had to catch up to their desires, replacing reliability and practical use with flashy buttons, touch screens and shiny cases. Meanwhile, software and their interfaces were completely dumbed down. And more recently, SJWs got inside the industry. So... Blame normies. re

>>60265789
>THIS AIN'T ANGLISH!!!!
xD

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Look at my write errors
is it normal?

>>60265815
?

>>60265555
Thanks for a rather interesting link.

According to this drives are most likely to fail with an average smartctl reading of a drive temperature that's below 30C according to that graph.

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>>60265720
Na, you're good

>>60265773
Seems you have a couple bad sectors that haven't been re-mapped yet. Should be good for a little while, but might want to look at replacing the drive after 6 months-1yr or so unless the bad sectors start increasing

>>60265854
Seagate doesn't write SMART values the same way as other vendors. The Write Error Rate is not in their list of the 'we do what the fuck we want' values. Best option is to run seatools for windows and see if it comes up pass or fail

>>60267423
>>60265773

thanks

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Had 19 bad sectors for years now and still fine.

>>60263564
>i can't justify
The laws of physics care if you think they're justified.