>UltraHD Blurays finally cracked >Americans with capped

>The file is 53.30 GB. Torrent files for even the best movies usually cap out around 9 GB, with the right compression creating files as small as ~750 MB for 720p resolution movies. So downloading a 53.30 GB file to port to your 4K TV seems like a bit of overkill.
how is this even possible that tech website writes such crap?

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>>60228823
Bad encoding. This shit always happens when new formats get cracked. Give it a few months and the compression will get better.

>>60228846
What are you talking about? This is 1:1 rip. It must be large, and in fact the 55GB rip currently on torrents is really small for what it offers.
Normal Bluray rips are around 25-30GB. Anything smaller is shitty YIFY reencode

>>60228842
Because even """""""journalists"""""""" for these websites are filthy normies with bare technological knowledge that slurp all the shit that groups like YIFY put out. As long as the movie has more than 20 pixels on the screen, it's fine for them.

>>60228842
1080p remuxes are usually around 40 GB, pleb.

100+ GB is already common for multiple-disc releases.

>>60228865
Didn't realize it was a 1:1 rip. But regardless, given time, encoding does get more efficient allowing for reasonable compression and smaller file sizes if you're not a AV enthusiast and are willing to take slight quality hits.

>>60228887
Last bluray I bought (2 days concert I was on) was a total of 159GB.

>>60228846
>wants a lossless, high def format
>complains that its not compressed

>>60228897
>lossless video
top lel

53 GB is actually not that bad, considering that it's 4 times the pixels. I'll occasionally rip my own blurays to watch in another room, or to watch on my computer without buying some stupidly priced software to play them natively. Naturally, since I don't intend to keep the rips for more than a day or two, I don't bother encoding them. A straight, uncompressed 1080p bluray rip generally runs around 20-30 GB.

>>60228842
>53GB
so like 40 minutes on an average 200Mb/s connection.

What does it matter? Oh no, I have to wait a bit longer to download it.

>>60228927
WHOLE 10 MINUTES LONGER THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE

>>60228823
>Most americans defend capped internet while thinking they're land of the free

>>60228916

HEVC has better compression than AVC.

>way to big
?

>To render Avatar, Weta used a 10,000 sq ft (930 m2) server farm making use of 4,000 Hewlett-Packard servers with 35,000 processor cores with 104 terabytes of RAM and three petabytes of network area storage running Ubuntu Linux, Grid Engine cluster manager, and 2 of the animation software and managers, Pixar's RenderMan and Pixar's Alfred queue management system

Wikipedia Avatar.

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>HDR
>All greyish and colourless
ayyy lmao

>>60228966
Creating the Na'vi characters and the virtual world of Pandora required over a petabyte of digital storage,[110] and each minute of the final footage for Avatar occupies 17.28 gigabytes of storage

>>60228934
I had 60/60 fiber internet with no cap when I lived in the city. Now that I've moved back to a smaller town the best I can get is 50/5 cable with a 250GB per month cap..... Needless to say I mostly download 720p movies instead of 1080p these days. The only other options here are DSL (slow as fuck), satellite (expensive, slow as fuck, tiny data cap of like 10GB per month), or 4G (kinda slow and TINY data caps).

>>60228982
If I couldn't get unlimited 100Mb/s at very minimum I would just move elsewhere.

Has anyone tried encoding a 4K movie to 22 CRF HEVC yet? What file size did you get?

>>60228842
>53gb
>Too big
I mean sire I probrably wouldn't bother with most movies, but of it is one I ever planned on watching more than once I would. I mean storage is cheap as fuck. You can get 4tb drives for $120. And each of those can store 80 movies.

>>60229006
I don't even bother with storing movies. 50GB takes like 30 minutes to download so I just download it whenever I want and delete as soon as I'm done with it. If I ever need it again, I just redownload it.

>>60228966
>Pixar rendering software works on Linux
Based

>>60228842
>53.30 GB
Oh good, it will only take ~10 minutes.

>>60228995
I was born and raised in a rural area, I lived in a major city for 8 years and I'm glad to be back in a small town. The only thing I prefer about living in the city is fast internet, I didn't care for anything else.

I'm planning on buying 5-10 acres and building a house out in the country soon where I'll likely be limited to cellular network internet or satellite. Once that happens I'll probably set up one of my raspberry pi's at a friend's house as a torrentbox hooked up to a large external HDD that I can access remotely and add torrents to. I'll just stop by every couple of weeks and stock up on all the shit I downloaded.

Maybe 5G cellular networks with high data caps will be a thing someday. Wishful thinking of course but one can dream.

>>60228982
I've got 150/150 fibre, but it's only available in certain areas of my city at the moment. 1 TB bandwidth cap, but with the option to pay a little more for unlimited. I've yet to run through the whole 1TB, so I've never felt the need to pay up.

>>60228975
That's because you need an HDR display or run it through an HDR to SDR converter/filter.

>>60229061
>1 TB bandwidth cap
I just dont understand the point of data caps.

If your network is congested enough where you NEED data caps, then just implement them during the busiest hours of the day.

From 6pm to 12am every day you're restricted to 1TB of data use per month.

But from 1am-5pm it's unlimited use.

THAT would fucking make sense, as you get rid of the big downloaders during the hours of 6-12pm when the normies are watching youtube and netflix for hours on end.


I have 1gbps, with no data cap thankfully, I just i cant see why a blanket 1TB data cap would EVER be necessary to preserve quality of service, it's 100% about double dipping because I bet they charge $$ for every 10 or 50GB over their 1TB cap.

>>60229003
Shut up

>>60228934
>Most americans defend capped internet
No, this is ridiculously untrue. If you go to any other place on the internet,you'll see what I mean. You're basing your assumptions on what you see on 4chan. Remember, /pol/ is only a click away from any other board here, and the Trump shills like to shit the place up with their defending of the Annoying Orange. Nobody in their right mind would defend datacaps.

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Assuming I can get a server (or seeders) to upload to me at my full download speeds, it would only take me ~8 minutes to download this 53GB file.

>>60229074
Does lav decoder have hdr to sdr converter?

>>60228823
>>60228846

since usual 1080p encodes are ~8GB, one can expect that normal 4K ones will be at most ~30GB

these are early days for UHD rips, so there will be a lot of experimenting. HDR and x.265 might influence the final numbers.

>>60229188
if someone watches 1080p encodes then he doesn't give a fuck about 4k.
If you want compressed 4k then just get netflix subscription.

>>60229208
and yet, 4K yifi-style encodes will be x1000 more seeded than those 53+GB files

>>60229208
>If you want compressed 4k then just get netflix subscription.
All video is compressed and none of it (at least not any you can buy as a consumer) is compressed losslessly either. 4K BR is a lossy encode.

>>60229098
Are you seriously gonna keep the 50+GB mux when a 22 CRF rip looks about the same? Are you retarded?

>>60229163
I don't think so.
You can tune it in mpv though.
https://mpv.io/manual/master/#options-target-brightness

>>60229277
Storage is cheap though

>>60229246
There ARE consumer options but you're paying out the ass.

$50,000+ for installation and it's a $2500 yearly charge after that or some shit.

Plus you buy all the movies you want to watch directly from them and pay full price (as in a private showing of the latest movie currently out in theaters can be done, but you'll be paying $500+ for 6 people to watch it at your house instead of a real theater)

These systems are obviously for the stupid rich though. So not for normie consumers.

>>60228926
average 200 mb/s, what a dream considering my 450 kbps download speed

>>60228966
>they fell for the 104 TB of RAM meme

>>60228937
It's good but my processor can't handle it :(
It gets laggy and with artifacts

>>60228846
found the retard

>>60229335
3rd world or just realllllly rural?

>>60229335
Last time I had 256Kb/s was in 2004. Then I moved through 2Mb/s > 20Mb/s > 100 > 200Mb/s
Currently it is not possible to get anything less than unlimited 100Mb/s in my area unless you get 4G

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>>60229304
Yeah but cheap means it's unreliable (ie clunky mechanical hdd that spontaneously die).

You're 2 reliable choices for data storage are pic related.

>inb4 "just use le cloud XD"
Do you hate having privacy and peace of mind this much?

>>60229455
amazon unlimited storage

>oh no amazon will know what shitty hollywood flicks I like to watch

>>60229444
this, I had 56kbps in 1998, 2mbps in 2001, 10mbps in ~2004. 25mbps in 2008, 50mbps in 2011, 150mbps in 2015, and 1gbps now in 2017.

>>60229455
HDDs don't spontaneously die unless you're buying garbage quality bottom of the barrel drives.

Buy some He8 or He10's and tell me how long it takes one to die.

>>60228842
>tech website
I don't even know how you can read articles written by some Pajeet on some shitty website.

>>60229489
~5 years if you never power cycle.

>watch 2.5GB 1080p YIFY bluray rip
>enjoy it, the quality looks great to me
>add it to my movie collection
>save thousands of dollars not buying dozens of 4TB HDDs
>save $30/month not buying upgraded speed/unlimited data package from ISP
>save hundreds of hours of labor not falling for the private tracker meme
>tfw born without autism and enjoying life

>>60229477
I kept moving up and stopped at 200Mb/s and despite 300Mb/s being available I'm not gonna upgrade. 200Mb/s is more than enough for me now, so I chose slightly smaller broadband bill instead.

>>60229466
Amazon can:
get compromised
delete your shit for any reason they feel like
get hit by ransomware
report all your data to the feds
sell your data

And a whole bunch of other shit. Are you really okay with that?

>>60229489
They do which is why they're always being replaced in servers. It's simply their design uses mechanical components which can and will fail without warning.

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>>60228842
>750 MB for 720p resolution movies

>>60229529
>always being replaced in servers
jesus you're a retard. They have 5 year warranties and you can get 10TB for like $500.

They're helium sealed as well, so good luck convincing me they'll all somehow spontaneously die before their warranty is up.

>>60228897
>lossless video
no thanks

>>60229525
This is why I shill 22 CRF HEVC so much. It produces video that is hard to tell apart from the original. In fact I'm sure 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference from 22 CRF HEVC from the source especially if the superior 10-bit encoder was used.

YIFY is only good because most people watch it on small screens or downscale the video else you'd throw up if you say that 1080p YIFY rip on a 60" screen.

>>60229526
I had TV + internet when I had 150/150mbps, I still had ~8 months left on my contract however so I couldn't change anything about it without upgrading.

So I upgraded to 1gbps internet and dropped my TV since I was no longer watching broadcast TV (and with 1gbps uncapped i can download everything I need).

So I'm actually paying about $20 less than I was with 150mbps and TV service.

>>60229568
Yeah but x265 is still shit so there's that

>>60229555
Alright m8, have fun crying when your 4TB clunky mechanical shitbird decides to not work anymore at a random time without warning.

>>60229604
Do you want to tell us where the hard drives touched you?

>>60229604
The rest of the world will continue using hard drives because they're cheaper EVEN when you account for failures.

Sorry, but literally every major company on the planet is using HDDs for storage, not flash based, and generally not tape storage either unless it's for long term archival type storage.

>>60229603
Nope, latest encoder has at least 50% better compression over H264.

See for yourself:
https://builds.x265.eu

>>60229633
top lel. Are you x265 developer by any chance?

>>60229663
No, just someone who realized how retarded it was to keep blu-ray muxes after they filled 90% of my 2TB hard drive.

>>60229633
And only does so at low bitrates. At high bitrates all standards start converging. So much that for a long time I didn't even bother with H264, MPEG2 did it equally okay.

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>>60228823
>>60228842
Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz Guiz

It's 720 duuuude

>>60229710
that webm has still better quality than netflix's 4k

>>60229627
fucking this
>>60229604
you're retarded, the industry uses HDDs for a fucking reason.

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>>60228842
>it's a retard writes an article about movie data sizes without knowing the difference between lossless and lossy compression thread

>>60229728
Imagine if VP9 was enabled.
Stupid Hiro, everyone is saving on bandwith, except his stupid ass. 4chan tech team is absolute worst.

Nigga its only 53 gb i download that shit in 15 mins

>>60229694
No shit but using arbitrary bitrates you pulled out of your ass isn't how you're supposed to encode video. That's why CRF mode was invented.

In 10-bit HEVC:
0 = literal lossless video

4 = extremely hard to tell from source, must analyze frame by frame on a large screen to see the differance

10 = hard to tell the differance, must analyze frame by frame

16 = very high quality

22 = high quality

28 = low quality

+28 = shit

>>60229814
vp9 would melt /g/s thinkpads

>>60229358
newer hardware generally supports HEVC hardware decoding.
Any modern video card plus most android tv boxes have it now.
Even my phone and tablet support it.

>>60229824
18 is considered high quality, where the fuck are you getting 22 being high quality?

I'm perfectly fine with my 9-10GB BD rips

>>60229808
I sincerely hope you don't actually think blu-ray stores lossless video...

>>60229840
most do but only 8bit. Even GTX970/980 can't decode hevc 10bit. For 10 bit you need either GTX960/GTX950, or GTX1000 series card.
From iGPU, Kaby Lake is required.

>>60229843
From personal encoding runs over multiple movies. Spent weeks doing it to see which CRF I was gonna use to get rid of the cancerous blu-ray mux tumours I had.

>>60229885
must sucks to be poor

>>60229864
apparently the nvidia shield tv supports 10bit HEVC so that's a relief for me.

>>60229885
lol kay. Well fuck yourself, everything is subjective and you projecting your "good enuf 4 me™" bullshit isn't gonna mean jack shit to other people.

Everyone has their OWN levels of tolerance to artifacts and shit, especially people who have spent hours and hours working on various encodes over the past few years, it becomes stupidly easy to spot compression artifacts and banding.

I personally would refuse to download something at anything under CRF 20

>>60229889
More like I value my data and want to keep it with me for as long as possible. Soon I'm going to buy an m-disc burner and save all my rips I worked very hard for on 100GB discs and stash them in my safe.

>>60229891
But if you have Core i7 2600K or never, you won't have a problem with hevc 10bit 60fps playback.
Must be i7 tough, I tried it on i5 haswell and cpu was on fire.

>>60229824
CRF is a non metric for plebs and can't be compared as implementations are different. Real deal is the bitrate.

>>60228926
Good luck getting more than 5mbps from Spectrum
I pay for 70 but currently get 0.5

>>60229911
you burnt more electricity on your shitty encodes than it would cost you to buy HDDs/stack of empty Bluray discs

>>60229910
>I personally would refuse to download something at anything under CRF 20
If only these clowns actually used CRF instead of pulling a random bitrate out of their ass. 90% of encodes out there are fucking shit.

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>>60229926
why is that allowed?

I pay for 940/880

>>60229912
well I meant in that I can watch those videos in my living room, I don't intend to buy an i7 to build a living room PC.
Plus my PC has an aging 3570k so I'm reliant on my GPU for 10bit HEVC.

>>60228926
not a lot of ISP even offer speeds that high, even of they do, no one can afford it

>>60229926
70 what? euro/pounds/yens?

>>60229931
lmao, I did it on my A10 running at 3.8GHz using 1.25v and I only pay 14¢/kWh where I live.

Must suck living in krautland paying like $2/kWh.

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>>60229944
lol, it's all about where you live.

This is residential service.

Can be got for $70/month.

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>>60229926
time warner (now spectrum) is pretty alright for me.

>>60229941
Cheapest you get now is GTX1050, but I heard Rx300 series can do HEVC 10bit, and that GT1030 is around the corner

>>60229911
pretty sure buying new hdds is cheaper than transcoding all your videos using x265.

>>60229939
Lucky you
I call them to complain every week but they always just go "Uuuuhhh we're working on it"
I can't even quit because Fios is the only other option and they do the same thing to my friend a couple blocks away

>>60229962
lol how fucking long did that take?

I specifically upgraded from my A10-7850k to a 5820k FOR encoding purposes and the 5820k encodes several times faster than the A10 did.

>>60228846
except a good portion of that size is from the lossless audio, they usually go all out and put 24/192 audio on those things and that can usually be as big as the video size

>>60228842
What the fuck.
This guy never bothered downloading a full BR or Remux.

Also, only 53.30 GB, I was expecting 100Gb. Nice.

>>60229916
>CRF is a non metric for plebs and can't be compared as implementations are different. Real deal is the bitrate.
You DUMB FUCK, do you even know what CRF does?

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Encode/H.265

>>60229944
How poor one has to be not to be able to afford £35/month?
I know really poor people who pay more monthly for their overpriced iphone contracts

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>>60229975
This is FiOS senpai.

>>60228823
lol @ poorfags

>>60229955
70mbps

>>60228823
it is rumored that this is not a bluray rip but somone got their hands on the mastering files while in process of becomeing a disc

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remember lads

>>60229991
I'm talking about America, usually 200mbps speed is as much as a nice car payment

>>60229962
>A10
>using x265
Are you running x265 with --preset ultrafast?

>>60230000
nice quads.
where can I read these rumours? It looks like a real bluray rip to me. File structure is the same.

>>60230016
again, it's all about location.

$70 USD for 1gbps isn't a fucking car payment.

>>60229991
where the fuck can you get 200 Mb/s for £35?
I'm assuming you live in a town centre

I wonder when they release weeb shows in H.265 Main10 @4k.

>>60229976
Usually got around 20FPS on 720p video, 1080p video was extremely painful. I usually queued them them at night before I went to bed. Usually got ~4 movies done each night.

I used the staxrip encoder and the fast preset btw.

>>60229999
>>60230000
double quads, nice

>>60229992
>trusting your ISPs speed test

>>60229989
I perfectly know what it does. And because of that I know it's a useless comparison metric, same crf will be different for different versions of the encoder, different implementations for any other encoder and any other encoding standard.

>>60230048
I'd have to ask your settings, because that seems too fast.

I was encoding at 4.2GHz on my A10-7850k and it would finish MAYBE 2 movies in a night.


My 5820k is generally capable of 50-60fps+ and churns through encodes like nothing.

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>>60230067
stay cucked

104.4MB/s is 915mbps for anyone who doesn't wanna math.

>>60230079
>104.4MB
114.4MB

>>60228865
A reasonable 1080p is around 10-15GB. You won't fucking notice 99% of the time. 720p is 4-7GB. Is there a difference? Sure, but most of the time it doesn't matter. It's like the FLAC vs 320kbps bullshit debate.

YIFY garbage is down around 1GB.

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>>60229090
its so the isp jew can take more money from you. theres no other reason.

>>60228823
does this mean i'll finally get my gendumb thunderbolt 4k bdmv?

>>60229358
i suggest buying a rx460 and use hardware decoder.

>>60230022
Nah, the fast preset.

>>60230073
Well like I said, I was using the fast preset but only got that speedy 20FPS on 720p video. Other thing I remember is the main profile was used.

>>60229307
what media are those movies on? anything with multiple petabytes of data wont be small.

>>60230161
Not him, but I vaguely remember what he's talking about - it's a whole server appliance. And I think you download the stuff you want from your library. Probably only has capacity for 10 movies or so at a time.

>>60230109
Stop pushing this "XGB is good" meme. A reasonable 720p, 1080p, 4K, ect encode will have a CRF of 22 and use 10-bit HEVC. Stop spreading useless information.

>>60230161
It's a download system, generally they're essentially small custom built home servers with usually 8-16TB installed.

A single release would be the movie theater style ~400-800GB file + previews.

It's essentially getting the rights to show a real movie showing in your own house, and the quality is the same. (assuming you have a good enough projector setup)

>>60229477
you can get more than enough download speed here but the upload will always be capped at 20mbps even if the download is 100000tbps

>>60230198
see
>>60229963


Upload isn't a concern for me.

>>60229633
It's a propietary POS that charges ridiculous royalty fees.

>>60229944
250 Mb/s
for what is close to 20 eurobucks/month

>>60230215
For streaming. They don't give a fuck about our Cambodian cartoon collections or any personal use for that matter.

>>60230043
I get 200 for 35 but I live in Edinburgh city centre

>>60230236
You still pay the jew tax on graphics cards if it keeps staying popular enough to keep pressure on the manufacturers to include it in hardware.

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>>60228823
Someone anon said UltraHD Blurays were impossible to crack, like 2 days ago, the irony.

>>60229358
It could be something with your player, I watch 12-bit HEVC2 anime with SVP and grain filter enabled (MPC-HC), all smooth without lag nor artifacts (GeForce GT 630 / i5 4460).

>>60230342
>Someone anon said UltraHD Blurays were impossible to crack, like 2 days ago, the irony.

there was a thread two days ago ABOUT this crack.

>>60209932

>>60230342
>>60230357
another one

>>60200621

>>60230357
>>60230378
oh thanks, I missed these threads.

>>60229824
im sure that the quality loss is visible in your meme format too. everyone said that same shit about yify rips too and they are garbage.

>>60230044
>4K anime
nice meme

>>60229824
>In 10-bit HEVC
why 10-bit when there is 12-bit support already?

>>60230448
it already exists, gundam thunderbolt

>>60230186
Time to filter you. This shitposting isn't funny anymore

So when are the UHD DVD drives for PC going to come out? I rip a fuck ton of blurays as is. And why is everyone bitching about file size? I mean I get that they're normies, but holy shit are they crying. A 1:1 rip of a standard Blu-ray is anywhere between 20-35GB. I ripped the movie Fury from Blu-ray and it was 29GB. The 1080 super HQ preset and matching the frame rate to source frame rate shrunk it down to 7GB.

>>60230448
>any anime
nice meme

>>60230498
They're already out

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1333362-REG/pioneer_bdr_211ubk_internal_bd_dvd_cd_writer.html

>>60230206
yes but it is here. i can choose from 3 isps but their prices are almost same and all of them have max 20mbps upload.

>>60230448
probably upscaled(stretched) from 768p

>>60230453
Because there are no 12 bit displays and 10 bit is barely the standard for televisions and still extremely rare for monitors

>>60230525
sounds like DOCSIS or shitty Fiber deployment.

My ISP gives 2.4gbps download per 32 households and 1.2gbps upload per 32 households.

And most people have 50-150mbps.

So I very rarely if ever face congestion on my 1gbps service, since most of my neighbors are barely using their connections, and those that are, generally are only paying for 75-150mbps at most.

>>60230559
nope, see
>>60230458

4k source material.

Yes, AACS 2.0 is dead.

You're welcome.

Should probably have waited until 8K, but oh well.

>>60230585
Who gives a shit? the size will be smaller, besides, HDMI is digital, I don't understand how the support even matters. Plug your PC to your TV and play the file in MPC-HC, each pixel is rendered independently, seriously, how is that even an issue?

>>60229557
>>60228915
>he doesn't create a slideshow of uncompressed bmp frames
What are you even doing on/g/?

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>>60230647
>Plug your PC to your TV and play the file in MPC-HC, each pixel is rendered independently

>>60230458

I can't find a single 4K HDR rip of it, why is that? I thought anime fansubs were the spearheads on these things.

>>60230477
Thanks not like I want to talk to retarded faggots like you.

>>60230453
>>60230585
>>60230647
Also 12-bit encoding offers very little improvement over 10-bit encoding. It's just not worth the incompatibility problems you get for a 1% quality improvement.

>>60228823
>capped bandwidth
What's it like living in the 3rd world?

>>60228916
BDs and Ultra HD BDs are not "uncompressed".

BD films (1080p24) usually weigh in at ~30 GB, which means I'd expect Ultra HD BD films to be ~60 GB for 2160p24 since the raw data quadruples but the compression standard is roughly twice as good.

I rip all my BDs to my file server but my BD-RE drive cost like £100. I'm not buying a new one for Ultra HD BDs, I'll just buy them and download the remuxes via torrents instead.

>>60230869
Even with unlimited bandwidth nobody is going to seed that shit. There's a reason yify rips are popular even amongst countries that offer cheap 1gbps internet.

>>60230914
>using public trackers

>>60228823
WHAT
HOW
I need this
I have a 4K copy of Shin Godzilla and can't rip it

>>60230924
>using NSA trackers

>>60230914
>Even with unlimited bandwidth nobody is going to seed that shit
Hello public tracker pleb.

>>60230938
>thinking the NSA would give a shit about 20,000 random users on a private tracker when 20,000,000 people are using public trackers daily


Kys.

>>60228823
>wahhhhh americans
Okay, you can go back to the reddit now

4k UHD RIP yify (2GB)

wow, such amazing quality.

>>60228842
>53.30 GB
>big

Maybe for americucks. It will literally take 10 minutes to download it on my 1Gbps speed.

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>>60230938
>le rationalizing americuck faec

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>>60230975
>he thinks americans don't have 1gbps

lol

>>60229003
HEVC gets roughly 40% better compression than h264 atm.

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>>60230759
How is that wrong? if your TV can view this in full screen:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/6rp9xk
Then it should be able to display 10/12 bit too. Or are you one of those faggots who plugs USB drives to their TV to watch anime? obviously some shitty HTPC with proprietary decoders and toaster CPU cannot possibly process 10 or even 12 bit content.

>>60230798
>incompatibility problems
Literally none, unless you're using some outdated player from 5 years ago.

>>60231009
You are the exception lad not the rule.
Also I bet my ass you pay more than 10 dollars for it.

>>60231048
Some guy in Japan said he pays $30 for 800/800.

>>60228842
Wtf 50 gb for 2 hours of video

>>60228893
>But regardless, given time, encoding does get more efficient
1:1 rips don't get smaller over time m8.

>>60231048
>Also I bet my ass you pay more than 10 dollars for it.

Of course, I also live in an area where a 1bedroom apartment would cost you over $1.5k a month for anything in a decent area.

No one is denying the US isn't expensive, it IS however better if you can afford the expensive and live on the coasts.


I wont deny that the middle of the US is a garbage country, but the coasts are fine.

>>60231067
And I pay 9 euros for 1000/500
Beat this cuck

>>60231082
You also probably live in one of the shittiest areas in the world outside the middle east or Africa.

But hey, at least you get cheap internet.

>>60230964
Some 22 CRF 10-bit HEVC 4K rips might be under 5GB if the movie doesn't have too much action in it.

>>60231020
As far as I know there are no mobile intel, AMD, or ARM based chops that have HW 12-bit HEVC decoding. You know, the things inside laptops and phones most people use?

remember when you would let your PC torrent/limewire overnight so you could watch a 420p movie tomorrow?

>>60230938
Maybe you should turn off your trip

>>60231109
it still feels like that with 1080p movies

>50GB
>big
a lot of you niggers are missing the point
They're trying to fill up the bluray as much as they can. Single layer UHD blurays have a 50GB capacity.
If you had 40TB of 8K raw footage and you had to edit and downscale that to 4K (because raw 8K looks like shit), then you would obviously choose encoder settings to retain as much information as possible, because fuck your hard drive.

>>60230876
>I'd expect Ultra HD BD films to be ~60 GB for 2160p24 since the raw data quadruples but the compression standard is roughly twice as good

You forgot that 10bit HDR color data adds to the size as well.

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>>60231104
You may have shitty internet but at least you have your freedoms. Like the freedom to be shot and the freedom to be compelled to salute the flag every in class (?)

>>60231109
Remember when it wasn't the movie you were looking for but some shady russian cockfighting?

>>60231132
Audio takes up a lot of space too, but most of the kids here use their fucking computers for watching movies so they just need 2 channel stereo for their gaming headphones instead of high bitrate surround sound.

Audio is just as important as video, and non home theater using plebs will never understand

>>60228823
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.

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>>60231145
>shitty internet
wut

>>60231105
>there are no mobile
>mobile
>watching HD anime on anything other than PC screen or TV in the current fucking year

>laptops and phones
Two completely different things, besides, laptops support 10 bit and 12 bit without issues, it's called software decoding.

>>60231145
>he isn't compelled to salute his flag every time he crosses one
A sad man, in a sad nation.

>>60231048
FiOS gigabit is $79 a month which is a fucking phenomenal deal compared to time warner who charges the same for 50 megabits

>>60231191
Software decoding murders your battery you dumb fuck.

>>60231216
Everything using the CPU (so basically everything you do on a phone) murders your battery, you dumb ameritard.

>>60231232
Do you even know what HW decoding is?

>>60231216
Americucks are dumb as fuck holy shit. Everything that uses the CPU drains your battery you idiot.

>mfw I have a 100/50 unlimited connection for $27/month
Feels good not to be an American

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>>60231270

>>60231278
>makes $20000 a year

Feels good to make 3.5x that and get 1000/1000mbps for $70.

>>60231216
>giving a shit about the battery
kys

mobile cucks are cancer.

>>60231270
The point of ASICs is that they run faster with less energy, you fucking dumbass.
Hardware decode means that they've literally made an electronic circuit that ONLY decodes, and integrated that into the CPU.

Eurotards showing off their ignorance yet again

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>>60231048
tfw 10/1 costs more than that here

>>60231300
Are you trying to imply that hardware decoding doesn't drain your battery?

>>60231300
>there's a better video format that I won't use because my toaster laptop cannot last 5 minutes in playback and everybody else also should not be using it because I'm a retarded piece of shit
really, kys.

>>60231329
compared to software encoding?

Yea.

Hardware decoding can use ~5-10w.

Software decoding will use 60%+ CPU use and easily be drawing 60w+.

>>60231288
>has to pay for literally everything because of cuckpitalism
You end up with the same amount of money as everyone else in any other 1st world country.

>>60231360
>100W CPU
>mobile phones
Are you retarded? Most laptops don't have CPUs which draw that amount of power.

>>60229663
Not him and not a x265 developer but I re-encode a whole lot of things to x265. I do it because I use 64GB SD cards on my mobile phone and a tablet. I could get a bigger card but I'd hit a size limit if I buy bigger cards too, it's not like I can put a 4TB HDD in a phone.

Mobile phones, even 2 year old ones, have x265 hardware decoding. PC's are behind, though, but the latest AMD RX cards decode x265 too (as well as the newest Intel CPUs).

>>60229824
>>60229843
crf 24 is high enough quality and 27 is more than good enough. 18 is just waste of space.

crf quality is very different for x264 and x265. You need a lower crf for x264 for the same quality as a higher crf setting with x265.

>>60231161
you need a big house to use surround sound because it requires tons of speakers and lots of room. most normalfags wont have enough money for that. i hate everyone that removes the stereo track from movies and only leaves the 7000000.400000 channel audio there that sounds like shit or goes randomly so quiet that i have to set almost max volume to hear anything to so loud that it kills my ears.

>>60231360
>pulling numbers out of his ass
>american education

If your PC or laptop CPU draws 60W at 60% load you have way bigger problems you americuck.

>>60228842
That's bullshit. Kino in good quality is 10+GB, and 3D flicks are 20-50GB

>>60231419
Are you retarded? A laptop CPU would be at 100% CPU usage, if it could even manage software decoding.

And it would STILL be using 40w+ which is still many times more than the sub 10w use of the ASIC.

>>60231419
But they usually have 50Wh batteries and even a laptop idling will pull around 10 watts from the battery. The more energy you can save on a laptop the better.

So the 4k movie was ripped as 1:1. Who's gonna encode it and release it?

>>60231422
>crf quality is very different for x264 and x265. You need a lower crf for x264 for the same quality as a higher crf setting with x265.
I'm not sure about that, it used to be the case for the first x265 encoders. Can't find anything on the net that says whether that changed or not.

>>60231419
Most laptops can't decode 4k in software anyway.

http://jell.yfish.us/

download and try to playback the 140mbps 10-bit UHD test file.

Let me know how your laptop does without using the GPU.

>>60231419
running the cpu at full load will use more power on mobile devices too.

>>60231165
Whoa whoa you're going to cut yourself with all that edge, kid!

>>60228842
>Torrent files for even the best movies usually cap out around 9 GB
>even the best movies
What did he mean by this?

I have gigabit fiber I won't download any release over 5-6gb. Come at me.

>>60228887
I think the point that person was making, you humongeous moron, is that the article's author is out of the loop and that people who pirate ( pieces of worthless shit ) already download large files.

>>60231549
I assume you have no hard drive space, or you simply don't download much and simply dont care.

>>60231441
Read >>60231427. You're pulling numbers out of your ass. They were talking about phones and laptops. Phones use sub 10W CPUs.

>>60231547
There won't be any seeders for releases larger than that.

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>complaining about file sizes
>50GB is too big

>>60231570
And no phone CPU can decode 4k anyway so it's pointless to even talk about.

MOST laptop CPUs can't either.

The only way a phone or laptop is going to decode 1080p or 4k is with hardware decoders.

ASICs that ONLY do video decoding and are very power efficient.

Your phone has em, your laptop has em.

If you TRIED to playback a 4k 10bit file through software you'd 9 times out of 10 be facing a stuttering mess.
Go ahead and download this test file and see for yourself
>>60231491

Even with my 5820k on the desktop, I hit 50% CPU use+, no cell phone CPU will manage to playback even with 100% use.

>>60231572
How new are you?

HDB and PTP both have 30GB+ rips that have hundreds of seeders.

>>60231577

>shitty movies
>autistic video bitrates and filesizes

What a waste of space.

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>>60231640
Let me guess, I have more free space than you have raw capacity.

>>60231704
leave him alone he most likely doesn't even know what nas it, let alone veeam

I bet 99% of this thread is unaware that all consumer video frames are actually split into two, one black and white frame and one color frame, and that the color frame is always half the resolution of the b/w one. This is called chroma subsampling.

With UHD we are just getting 1080p actual color resolution.

Also, no TVs and most pc monitors can show the full 0-255 color range of RGB (full RBB). Insted they show limitedRGB (16-235).

Also, most pc monitors are actually 6-bit, but use a dithering scheme called fame rate control.

I could go on and on.

>>60231917
>one black and white frame and one color frame
technically it's one luma channel and two chroma channels
>the color frame is always half the resolution of the b/w one.
almost all consumer video is YUV4:2:0, meaning the chroma channels are a quarter the size of the luma channel, not half
>Also, no TVs and most pc monitors can show the full 0-255 color range of RGB (full RBB). Insted they show limitedRGB (16-235).
most if not all PC monitors can show full range RGB

>>60231917
>all consumer video frames are actually split into two, one black and white frame and one color frame, and that the color frame is always half the resolution of the b/w one. This is called chroma subsampling
How exactly do you represent one frame as two frames? Because a jpeg can have chroma 4:2:2, but it's not two separate images, is it?

>>60232062
he meant channels, not whole frames
and yes, jpeg does the same thing, it's also a YUV format (subsampling is selectable, with 4:2:0 being common, but not to the same degree as video)

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>>60231491
is that site hosted on a raspberry pi?

>>60231640
at least its not anime

>>60232141
Werks for me, took me like 1 min to download the file.

>>60228865
>wanting a lossless rip
>expecting a small file size

>bitching about reencodes
wew

>>60228966
>running Ubuntu Linux
how can archshitters/winpajeets ever compete

The human eye can only see 320×240 pixels @ 23.976 FPS per second in 8-bit color.

>>60231329
That is exactly what he is implying because it's true you dumbass

>>60232191
Ironic thing is the blu-ray is a re-encode in and of itself.

>>60229053
Sounds like a nice life man. Get out of the city before it sucks the life out of you.

>>60228823
>Chicago is the internet supercenter of the world
>has shit-tier residential internet
ATT is the only company that offers symmetrical gigabit fiber here, but it's not even to every house in the entire fucking city.

American ISPs are shit and this is only because of fucking commie ass Democrat policies.

>>60232916
this is what happens when you let your free market become too free

>>60231491
>the 140mbps 10-bit UHD test file
That one is x265, which is significantly more costly to decode than 10-bit x264

>>60232982
It wasn't free to begin with--Democrats cucked us by passing restrictive legislation ages ago.

If it hadn't been for the fucking commies, we'd have been the first country to provide cheap 10 Gbps symmetrical internet to all of its citizens.

>>60233022
well that's what a UHD bluray is encoded with.

Will a 1080p encode downscaled from a UHD blu ray look better than a 1080p encode from a regular blu ray?

>>60228823

No one downloaded the full bray files before anyways. They were about 50gb for a movie in the past also.

The pleubs will just get the small 2-3 gb rips.

>>60231737
>>60233248
>No one downloaded the full bray files before anyways.
see>>60231577

>>60233205
Yes, is the source that was used to make the uhd is >1080p. Many "digital intermediates" are 2k (~1080p) and are upscaled to 4k for the uhd release. Sadly.

See realorfake4k.com

>>60233271
If*

>>60228934
Most Americans don't have capped Internet and I certainly don't know any that would defend it.

>>60229710
406p

>>60233037
We have the telcos like 20 billion in the late 90s to provide us with high speed internet and they didn't do shit. They fucking pocketed that money with no repercussions.

>>60233248
>No one downloaded the full bray files before anyways
I do

>>60233368
Look nerd it has 720 in it
Its 720pee you noobfag

>>60229127
>Trump
shut you mouth you fucking brown bastard

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>>60234639
Dam dude, not even the republicans want him anymore. This retarded faggot can't even live up to his own word.

Build a wall my ass.

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>>60234639
I'm whiter than you are

>>60231329
the difference is efficiency.

If something is in spec, then specialized decoders can handle that shit without thinking.

If shit is out of spec, then you need the cpus brain to kick in and that eats power.

>>60232413
Epic retard. Simply epic.

>>60231614
>implying the journalist or most faggots, including myself, can get on a private tracker

I'm willing to wait the multiple days downloading a movie with 80% of my download, because I'm not the kind of person who's "I WANT TO WATCH THIS RIGHT NOW, IN ONE HOUR I WON'T ANYMORE", and I'm picky when it comes to quality. But my upload is so fucking ridiculously low that it would take me, I shit you not, about one month to seed that file back to a 1.0 ratio. I can't reasonably afford a seedbox either because I'm a poor third worlder. The 1080p IPS monitor I have in front of me was a graduation gift from my parents.

>>60228842
>720p
What is this, 2006?

>>60229163
No, only mpv and madVR do

>>60228943
>average user has 1TB hard disk
>1000/50 = 20

The average user can store 20 fucking movies of this size if he/she has absolutely nothing else on their hard disk. Why would they bother? They are absolutely correct.

>>60234999
People that care about 4k or even 1080p aren't your average users.
Your average user will go to netflix or yourfreepiratedmoves.com. The slightly more advanced know how to download rmvb from torrents

>>60235012
So, out of personal experience, how much do you spend on storage to store these movies? For what purpose? Do you share them out to people or are these just your personal library for yourself?

So let me get this straight: The Smurfs release is a legit UHD Bluray rip, right? So AACS 2.0 is cracked?

>>60235051
I have about 20TB of storage available, but I don't use it to store mainstream films.
I have 200Mb/s internet. I often download 30GB blurays to check them out instead of using trailers, and delete immediately if I don't like them.
My dad on the other hand has about 5TB of films, but mostly in 1080p ~ 8GB rips

>>60235051
I have 19.75TB in one computer, another 13.5TB in another computer.

I have them both networked up so they can be accessed from my local network.

I sometimes even allow friends and family to VPN in to my server if I have a movie they want to stream and they have decent enough internet speeds.

I have 1gbps upload speeds on my residential connection, so I can pretty do as I please, and since it's all personal use, its not commercial so no need to worry about paying for a business connection or some shit.

>>60235081
>>60235088

So how much would you say you spent on that? I want a numeric value.

>>60235051
And yea, it's all for personal use. People sometimes ask me to give them a copy but when I tell them I can only provide them with 30GB ISOs they back out.

>>60234673
>tripfag attention whore is a cuck
Sasuga.

>>60235100
Spend on what? 200Mb/s internet is £35 a month. For hdds prices check Amazon.

>>60235114
So if I went to Amazon right now:

Drive costs (nonrefurb):

2TB = avg $60
3TB = avg $90
4TB = avg $110

20TB of storage costs (not including server to manage said storage) based on drive usage:

2TB = $600
3TB = $600
4TB = $550

So you're telling me, just to store movies, you spent $600 on the storage alone.

>>60235100
it's been spent over several years, but aggregate probably close to $1,200 in storage alone, maybe a bit more.

my 1gbps is $100 a month, before this I had 150/150mbps for $70/month.

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>>60235161
>he doesnt have cases of hard drives

>>60229188
>x.265
>not VP9

retard detected.

>>60235161
I fucking told you I don't store movies. There is no need to store movies when you can download them in 30 minutes on demand.

I actually use it for music, my raw photos, and some rare concerts.

>>60235165
Well, this is the reason why people think it is so ridiculous to download such large rips for not that big of an increase in quality, because of the sheer cost of storage alone to store such a large library and maintain it for just yourself. More power to you if that's what you want to do (I have a 6TB pool of storage just for my own home use), but don't act surprised when people don't want to bother with that shit. It's a ridiculous cost for such a small increase in quality over an 8GB 1080p rip.

>>60235215
I personally have plenty 8-10GB rips, but for the things I think are worth it, I will go for higher quality. Star wars for example, or Lord of the Rings, etc.


I just enjoy having an entire library of almost every movie i've seen from the past decade at my finger tips, and having 1gbps lets me download pretty much anything I want in under 5 minutes. Even a full 50GB rip would only take 10-15 minutes at most.

A few months after a movie is out you can grab them off amazon for like 10 bucks. Even anime can be had fairly cheap unless the people who put it out are total Jews

>>60235246
>I just enjoy having an entire library of almost every movie i've seen from the past decade at my finger tips

Yes which is what I do as well, but these kinds of threads shitting over people who download rips that are not 20+ GB just for 1080p just really get on my nerves as not everyone is so autistic to notice a single color is 2 points off its correct RGB value or the audio track has 7 channels instead of 8.

>>60229532
That was the one part of it that sounded reasonable.

>>60235256
anime encodes have better subs

>>60229525
>tfw watch axxo rips
>save even more money than you
>feels good not to have autism

>>60235246
Star Wars is in that range once you strip out the 50 billion unnecessary audio tracks and convert the DTS-MA to AAC.

>>60229525
Feels good to be part of this club too.

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>>60235110
Not a hillary supporter either bub. I didn't elect for nobody so I get to sit on the fence and watch you idiots keep faith in crooks out to fuck you in the ass the moment you elect them into office.

>>60229489
ya they and it's getting worse each year to the point where raid 5/6 are both deprecated and moving forward people are recommending full blown ceph tier clustering over raid for uptime

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>>60228842
>Torrent files for even the best movies usually cap out around 9 GB, with the right compression creating files as small as ~750 MB for 720p resolution movies.

>>60232747
lol
the_more_you_know.jpeg

>>60235527
Well to be fair cambodian/didney wurl movies have little motion/detail and are compressed the most. I can see 2 hour long 720p one for around 750MB with 10-bit 22 CRF HEVC.

>>60228926

>lying on the internet

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I live in butt fuck nowhere city and I don't have capped internet. Its slow at 5mbs though.

>>60235706
>everyone has shit internet because I do

lel

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>>60229944
Residential service from Comcast and this is on wireless

>>60235745

well yeah, pretty much, you may have 200+ internet but i really hope you don't think that's normal or "average"

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>>60235706
I don't even know what im downloading. I just have put it on to take this screenshot

>>60235775
It is very average.
These are the only deals I have available at my address. The slowest one is 100Mb/s
http://www.virginmedia.com/shop/broadband/broadband-only.html

>>60235775
It just depends where you live, if you're in or near a city, yeah it is pretty average.

3 ISPs in my area offer 1gbps, one of them offers 2gbps.

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>>60235776
2 minutes later

>>60235791
>>60235806

:,(

>>60228823
>way to big
American English there.

>mfw no data caps
I enjoy living in the first world. I could probably watch it while it downloads.

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>>60235852
It has 109Mb/s bitrate so most people could.

>>60235215
This. I'm the samefag from way up top that won't download over 6GB releases. I have about 2TB on my media VM. I don't even save movies or tv I delete them after watching, except for kids movies. I'm just lazy and don't want to log into the server and delete shit constantly. I honestly don't care that much about quality, 720p is fine with me.

>>60236094
>log in

Do you not have SMB shares or NFS that you can just map a network drive to and delete stuff?

>>60236136
NFS is read only on purpose. Ssh'ing in isn't a big deal, I just don't want to have to delete every other movie I download because they're 200GB releases. Not to mention I'm using 10k SAS drives in non temperature controlled garage and would prefer the drives last awhile.

>>60236094
>I honestly don't care that much about quality, 720p is fine with me.
No, you do care about quality else you'd download 720p yify movies. What you care about is not having bloat which is good. No point in downloading movies with double digit GB file sizes if they don't look better than properly encoded movies in the single digit GB file sizes.

Wish people would fucking use CRF so we wouldn't have to guess how shit a movie is going to look. With a CRF of say 40 we know all source types, resolution types will look like dogshit but they use 22 they won't.

>>60236168
You can network link a directory on both Windows and Linux with SSHFS, just in case you didn't know. Might make it easier.

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>>60235878
>overall bit rate 72.5 Mb/s
pure plebian

>>60236175
Ok you're right I don't fuck with yiffy bullshit, I stick to around 4GB or whatever radarr downloads which is usually around the same.

>>60236196
>840x608
>116 mbps

lmfao the placebo is real

>>60236196
fake news, or actually an upscale because so far only 1 ultrahd film has been cracked

>>60236210
How retarded are you? It is 3740 x 1608

>>60236216
Go on the torrent sites and search for 2160p, there is more than the smurfs. You do realize there are other ways to get 4k content besides cracking blurays.

>>60236190
Lol ok you know the real reason my nfs share is read only is because of fucking OS X and DS_STORE bullshit

>>60236250
>3740
3840

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>>60236257
>Lol ok you know the real reason my nfs share is read only is because of fucking OS X and DS_STORE bullshit
You do realize that you can prevent it from storing the .DS_Store files?

>>60229477
I had 56kbps in the early to late 90's

Upgraded to DSL around 2000, got 320kbps.

Was stuck with 320kbps until around 2010. AT&T kept jewing us. They kept changing the plan, contract, and advertised speed. But we never received the faster speeds they promised(and billed) us. Eventually joined in on a class action suit against them.

Around 2010 Verizon expanded into our city(from the next city over) and we got fiber.

Started out with 15Mbps, they bumped up the minimum speed a few times for the same price we always paid. 20>25>30 etc. Eventually shelled out some more money for 75/75, actually get around 85/85.

The ONT where the fiber comes in only has a 100Mbit Ethernet port and a coax/MOCA jack that theoretically will do 300. They require use of the Ethernet port for anything over 100. So unless I get a new ONT and run some RJ-45 from the garage to the router I'm stuck with this speed.

The new MOCA standard supports 1.5Gbps so I might be able to convince them to just swap out the board in the ONT. I already wired everything else in the house for gigabit. All I need is a G.Pon ONT to replace my current B.Pon one.

>>60236250
>You do realize there are other ways to get 4k content besides cracking blurays.
well both true and not true.
The other ways is screen capture and therefore reencoding. The only way to get original high-bitrate video file without performing reencoding is to crack the bluray, and for now only the smurfs are available.

>>60236291
>Literally have to hack a mac for tolerable operation like you do on the iPhone.
Apple is a fucking joke.

>>60236371
>The other ways is screen capture and therefore reencoding.
Or just hook it up to a TV and probe the LVDS lines to the panel

>>60236388
>using the command line is hacking
Once again proving all tripfags are 13 year old retards

>>60229992
for you, in your area.

That doesn't mean the other dude will get the same as you, ISPs only offer decent service when the competition is hot. Places where there are barely 2 ISPs that are equally shitty, will stay that way until someone else comes along.

>>60236410
lmao GOT EM

>>60236410
Nope, I actually used to own an overheating 800MHz dual-core macbook. OS X was so frustratingly unusable that I had to bootcamp Windows 7 on it to get basic functionality.

>>60236410
Also I extensively use ffmpeg to do stuff so I'm no stranger to the CLI.

>>60229926
I have the same speeds from spectrum as
>>60229967
Only pay 60 a month for it. Might want to call them about it

>>60235356
>hurr I am incapable of deciding the lesser of two evils
>tuff decisions hurt muh little brain
You have a middle schooler's understanding of voting as well. Excellent.

>>60237348
I've called them plenty of times, they don't care

>>60236986
>Nope, I actually used to own an overheating 800MHz dual-core macbook. OS X was so frustratingly unusable that I had to bootcamp Windows 7 on it to get basic functionality.

So you're retarded. OK.