There is no reason for most people to get ATX computers. MicroATX,

>>60202812
>liked, subscribed, upvoted, thumbed up, bookmarked, reblogged
the majority of people don't need desktop hardware anymore

>>60202812
yeah the lack of microatx (or smaller) X370 boards is a bit of a piss-off

i personally plan on eventually using SLI so i'm stuck going with an ATX board

>>60202812
>Pico-ITX
YOOOOOOOOOO

Consoles and smartphones do everything you need. There is literally NO reason to own a Personal Computer in the year 2017. People buy these ugly ass boxes in the year twenty seventeen? I am literally shaking my damn head! Get with the times, family!

>>60202878
>>60202926
Even within the small niche of people who build their own computers, the vast majority of them aren't going to have a fucking NAS in them.

>3 DIMM slots
JUST

There are two kinds of people left. There are the ones that appreciate the extra slots and ports. and the ones so stupid they think a bigger box = a more powerful machine.

>>60202812
>MicroATX, or even MiniITX have everything you need
I learned that when I built my first system years ago. I just had to get an ATX board+case for some reason. I never even needed those extra PCI slots.

>>60203261
The extra space is good for airflow and giant ass heatsinks

>>60202812
>3 Slots VIA chipset
Shieeeeeeeeet, my P4V8X-X just died a month ago, this strike really close

>>60202812
This is what I've been saying for years. Looking at half empty motherboards in riced cases is just retarded as fuck. Most people never buy more than a graphics card, but they STILL buy an ATX case and motherboard for it.

>>60203900
Bullshit! More space just means more opportunity for turbulence and hot pockets to form, and if for whatever reason you'd decide you need a 165mm tall heatsink, you could just buy a larger ITX case, same deal if you decide 2 drive slots aren't enough. There is zero reason to buy an ATX case and motherboard if you are only planning to populate one PCI-E slot.

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>>60202926
>Consoles and smartphones do everything you need
but not everything I want.

>There is literally NO reason to own a Personal Computer in the year 2017
I assume laptops fall under that category as well, PCs are all in one solution for entertainment and productivity, there are power users that require special software which can only be used on a PC running linux or windows.
For instance CAD, PCB design, programming. Even for more basic tasks like spreadsheets and documents good fucking luck handling input efficiently with a fucking capacitive touchscreen.
With a single monitor or more you have a far larger workspace.

Consoles and smartphones are not x86 with a physical keyboard, you can only use android. Until other OSes start supporting ARM.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of an ultramobile platform that can do a wide range of tasks like a swiss army knife. Ubuntu phone had a nice idea going with docking a smarhpone turning it into a workstation for basic tasks on a mouse+keyboard, smartphones have far more than enough processing power for basic tasks these days the problem is with the OS and input limitations.

I hope UMPCs kick off, got a gpd win recently and fucking love it.

>>60204522
>Consoles
>not x86
ignore that

>>60204522
>UMPCs
Don't they have heat problems or is it just a meme?

>>60202812
What's wrong with people getting atx though?

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>>60202812

agree,

although ATX boards look sweet if you have a windowed case, an itx board is more practical but has limitations on memory slots and overclocking potential.

>>60204578
Nothing, but it shouldn't be catered to the most at the expense of others, like they are today.

>>60204575
Managed fine without fan on when playing light games or browsing/watching video.
With heavier games like last remenant it sat around 76 degrees celcius on the CPU with the fan off and teh plastic case got lukewarm but not hot enough to annoy me.

For general tasks it idles around 55degrees Celsius and the plastic enclosure remains cool. So far the unit only gets lukewarm for me when playing demanding games without the fan on. For heavy loads you will definitely need to turn the fan on.

Haven't tested much with the fan since the battery lasts around 3 hours, get to squeeze more without it. Don't expect it to play AAA titles on lowest settings smoothly it is better suited for emulation up to PS1, indies, and older games like mount and blade warband.

>>60204716
>limitations on memory slots and overclocking potential
Sure, because a 2x16GB dual kit isn't enough for any home user, right? And the lack of overclocking potential is just pure bullshit, everything that has to do with overclocking electronically occupies the same amount of space on any motherboard, so the components relevant for overclocking are the same as well.

>>60204983

you do know some iTX boards have a 16gb limitation right? compared to the 32gb cap on an ATX/mATX board.

(for anyone that is autistic enough to go for that much RAM)

>>60202812
I have plenty of room I buy whatever is cheapest within my parameters. if its an atx, fine. If it's a matx in an atx case, that's fine too. I would like an itx build someday though.

>>60204716
I accidentally got a microATX instead of full sized for my last upgrade, still worked with a mid sized tower and is barely sufficient for my needs.
I am running out of USB ports, had to buy a PCIE USB controller though it is not a waste since I can route my front USB ports to use the expansion controller making life easier when hotpluging devices to a VM and not have to worry about the motherboard's USB memory mapping on future upgrades.

>>60205076
Who gives a fuck about antiquated hardware? We are comparing form factor to form factor, not aging compact shit, to shiny new big shit. You can buy mITX boards with 32GB support since 2015.

Notice the placement of the PCIe slots in your OP.
Notice anything?
I'll wait...


The x16 slot blocks usage of the x1 slot with the use of 95% of video cards.
You are a literal retard. The vast majority of Micro-ATX MoBos are like that, also. Having the x1 slot placed between the x16 slot and the edge of the motherboard.

>I didn't need this thing for my life, so that means nobody needs it.

>>60204983
4x8GB is still a lot cheaper than 2x16 though, as are full ATX cases and motherboards much of the time.

Here's another one OP.

Micro ATX and smaller sizes force the manufacturer to place the audio chips and module next to the x16 slot; the LARGEST emitter of EMI in your case.

>>60205254
Can't argue with that. It's not for poorfags. But from a utility standpoint, ATX has nothing over mITX, as long as you only want to use one PCI-E socket.

>>60205281
So what? Everyone and their grandmother buys audiophool speakers with DACs for their PC.

ANOTHER ONE. In case I haven't properly communicated, one point at a time, that /v/ doesn't belong on this board.

Find more than 6 boards smaller than ATX that have more than a 4+1 VRM. OR a VRM with an attached heatsink. Some people like powerful CPUs.

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>>60202812

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>>60203030
>not wanting enough storage space to have 2TB worth of torrents

There is literally no disadvantage to having a ATX motherboard and anything less should be kept to niche micro builds or network service machines.

>>60205315
>implying /v/ aren't the ones advocating for hueg industrial strength riced out cases

>>60205315
ASUS Z170I Pro Gaming (I have this one)
Asus ROG STRIX Z270i GAMING
Asus MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
Gigabyte GA-Z270N-Gaming 5
ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac
ASRock Fatal1ty Z270 Gaming-ITX/ac
ASRock Z270M-ITX/ac

... and these are the ones with more than 4+1 VRM phases AND a heatsink on them. There are two others with more than 4+1 but no heatsink.

Again, your argument is irrelevant. No matter the form factor, the VRM occupies the same fucking space on the motherboard above/left of the CPU socket, so there is no reason why they'd have less.

>>60205224
>He thinks those are PCI-E slots on the top

oh you, anon

>>60205224
>>60205281
>>60205315
>autism
>implying I ever said ATX should go extinct
All I'm saying is that despite microATX shedding most of the cruft that your average builder wouldn't need while still keeping everything that's relevant and therefore being a much more space efficient layout, OEMs seem to mostly ignore it and give all their R&D money to full ATX instead. The end result is that if you want to buy any case worth their salt the only options have 3 5.25" bays and 6 3.5" bays, when 99% of builders would have maybe 2 HDDs maximum, sacrificing efficiency and aesthetics.

>>60205768
Maybe it'd help technically challenged people if the examples on the picture weren't from 2017-10.

>>60202926
-gaming; console popularity took a hit this generation
-vr w/ room scale
-having a workstation


30% bump in sales over the past year according to microcenter

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OP's image is outdated; pic related is the state of mATX motherboards today. I dare you to find something important that won't fit on this.

>>60206087

pretty good,
mATX is defintely the best form factor.

>>60206147
If you're willing to go down to microATX, you're willing to go down to miniITX. mITX has far more support from OEMs too.

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>>60206087
Nothing missing here either.

>>60206258
If I install a graphics card where the hell do I put my 10gbit LAN card?

>>60206290
>an mITX board only has one expansion slot, thus it's not for people who want to use more than one
well, no shit sherlock!

>>60202812
so you understand most people, I see.

>>60206310
Post says nothing is missing, yet something is clearly missing.

>>60206356
It's not the expansion slots at debate here you fucking moron, the argument is that PCI-E slots aside, smaller boards are not as well equipped as larger ones. They are!

>>60202812
to a degree, i agree. when it comes to atx vs micro-atx i do believe micro-atx serves the overwhelming majority. i would have gladly bought a micro-atx board for my ryzen if decent micro-atx boards actually existed like they do for intel. if asus released a ryzen x370 gene i would have snagged it fast. in this day and age the differences between micro and full atx boils down to slightly less pci-express lanes and now nvme slots. everything else from ram slots, vrm setups, and sata ports are identical. plethora of m-atx cases that are small but roomy enough that don't sacrifice in cable management, hard drive / ssd space, and cooling. not to big nor to small.

atx still has its purpose for those who want multi-gpu setups and / or two or more nvme slots.
>hurr m-atx can use dual cards!
well obviously but i mean more for dual with a dedicated sound card or other pci-express 1 slot card, and tri / quad video.

but itx and less? that's just meme level for autismos. don't get me wrong, i've seen some beastly itx builds but they're WAY to cramped and limited for my taste. with how small they are and limited space, i can't even see joe the gaymer who can barely plug his cpu into the socket trying to conquer a itx build. they can barely manage cooling and some how manage to overheat their parts with full size atx cases.

>no m.2 slots on mini itx

What's the point of your form factor

>>60206391
>smaller boards are not as well equipped as larger ones. They are!
>they are
no, they're not. it doesn't even have a nvme slot.
>hurrr you can just remove the wifi card!
well now, i guess i have to choose between wifi or nvme ssd. doesn't sound well equipped to me. at least with micro-atx i can have everything and still have a small build.
>hurr use lan!
hurrr use m-atx.

>>60206440
>>60206469
This mITX board has one:
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170I-PRO-GAMING/specifications/

This one has TWO:
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-Z270I-Gaming/specifications/

should I get a NUC or build a micro/miniATX rig?

>>60206469
>>60206440
also:
>I don't know shit about the form factor I'm criticizing, the post

>>60202812

Call me when micro/mini can have 8-10 sata ports, support 4 RAM sticks, onboard sound to the level of a pci-e sound card (with all the usual features, 7.1 etc), provide 6-10 USB ports (need 4 minimum with kb/m, USB stick + phone charging), at least one 16x pci for graphics card (not a bit fan of dual). For most people a micro or mini will do, but for what ever reason I haven't come across a mobo with 8+ sata, no onboard graphics, 7.1 and 2 RAM. After a certain people manufacturers go ham and try to load higher end mobos with as much shit as possible.

Although onboard graphics have come in handy a few times.

Either way I'd still need a full size tower, for drives and cooling.

>>60207014
Irrelevant. We're talking about people who unnecessarily buy large boards, not about people who consciously buy the bigger one, because they need more expansion slots.

I want to convert my ATX to a mITX, but the costs would be somewhere around $300 I don't have. Specialized hardware man.

>>60207014
I got this one
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B350M-A/gallery/

>>60207308

Only seems to have the standard 6 sata ports.

>>60207439
Stop being poor, and buy bigger hard disks. Then you won't need more than four. Yours is an issue of money, not motherboard design.

>>60207523

Would agree, somewhat. But I don't purchase new drives every time they are full. I have 3 2TB drives, 2 4TB, 1 5TB and a small SSD. I only consolidate into new larger drives when a 2TB is full. I can't just go out on a 6 monthly basis and buy 4 new top of the range drives, easily $1k or more (8TB REDs are $455 ea here at the cheapest shop I know).

>>60207439
The point of a smaller motherboard would be to be able to get it in a smaller case. I don't think small cases can take ten drives so you might as well stay with the ATX ones.

Do you need several terabytes of data all the time? Can't you get a network share and keep the desktop PC as you like?

>>60207565
>I don't purchase new drives every time they are full
I do, although they don't get full too fast. I started with two 1TB hard disks, then moved onto 3TB disks. Now that I have four of them, I am using them in RAID through USB 3.1 in an external enclosure, and my ITX PC is fitted with a 10 terabyte SATA hard drive, a 500GB SATA SSD, and an M.2 SSD for the OS.

It's really not that much money. A 3TB drive costs only about $100, and I bought four of them during the course of four years. The 10TB hard drive was quite expensive though, but it won't be full for another two years, unless I decide to go 4K.

>>60207602

I have two machines currently, the HTPC and this one. HTPC has the largest set of drives of about 16TB atm. I just can't afford a proper server set up, the HTPC is for communal use as well.

Do I need it all the time? No, but having the drives spin up when I want to watch something is better than digging out a stack of drives and plugging them into a dock.

I organized my drives by content, so some are accessed daily, others maybe a few times a week when I want to watch something from months or years ago (I have a habit of eventually moving completed seasons or media to the HTPC eventually).

Its Costy form MITX vs ATX vs becases not all ITX cases look nice most of them but esculate in price given there is higher price per mm(2)
plus the cases for ITX are objectively ugly and square and dGPU limited.

Other than that motherboads are for indivuals that have different needs.

That said. I have ATX because I liked the motherboad and plan on expanding that in the future. IE . PCI-E SSD
not all PCI-E 8x are just for gpu's and one should not forget that PCI-E SSD is a thing.

For the average user.
I guess ITX should be the norm but nobody cares about any of that.
When looks equals a sold product.
ATX sells because they are expandable
ITX and others just don't have it and that don't have the self life of more ram over time. (not includeing MATX because they are just the same thing basically)

So in fact its a moot point.
You are an Idealog that just wants other people to do as you say.

>>60207634

Yea size tends to be the issue. Going through the collection and updating old TV rips to BD is crazy. From 350mb xvid to 2.2gb (or more) per episode so you're keeping the same amount of time/episodes but increasing the storage requirements by almost 6.

You buy what you have a need for. I bought a nice mATX and got a small case so my computer wasn't a big hollow shell. If you want ATX go for it.

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Finally got into the ITX build meme and I'm currently happy with it, looking back at my old ATX build you can see the huge amount of empty space that is wasted.

(although aesthetically it looks better since the heatsink doesn't cover the whole motherboard like in an ITX build)

>>60207697
I don't update to a higher resolution with all my TV series, only to a more effective encoding. So I've gone from 350MB divx episodes to 172MB x265 with some of my old series. I've found that with most series from the 90s the higher resolution and bitrate actually leads to worse visual quality, because the film grain will get a lot more crisp, so the blurry lower resolution image is an advantage.

Typical example for that is Babylon 5.

>>60202812
Smaller motherboards and by extension smaller cases don't have support for enough radiators.

So get fucked poorfag ;)

>>60202812
I would if Micro ATX actually had some good looking motherboards. They all might as well have green pcbs

>>60202812
> you don't use things
> wants to take it away from those who do

I like ATX motherboards with 8 SATA ports and a lot of PCIe slots. I always move my desktop's motherboard/CPU/RAM to my home server when I upgrade my desktop. You need SATA ports to have a RAID6 array and you need a lot of network cards to use your server as a router/switch.

My desktop also needs a lot of SATA ports and it's nice to have enough PCIe slots there too.

>>60207738
what case is that?

>>60207778

Fractal Design Nano S

I do like ITX as a form factor, but it does have it's limitations. I know i'm not going to buy one without built in wifi again.

I think this time around i'll prioritise quietness over smallness however.

>>60207793
Thanks.

>>60207738
>>60207793
Oh, I've been looking at that case. The gap between the PSU and GPU was concerning me. Though i see you've solved it by using an SFX power supply.

>>60207126
That's a moot point, those who do fine with mATX can go buy pre-built garbage system which probably have mATX motherboards in them.

Real men who build their own systems need big ATX motherboards unless they are manlets who think that's too big to handle.

The smaller the board the shorter it's life span. Larger boards have more surface area to relieve heat stress as compared to the smaller boards. No amount of case cooling will change this. Ive gotten more Micro-ATX's that were burnt out than I've ever seen with ATX boards.

>>60207758
https://youtu.be/OaKsJFQoChw?t=438

You were saying?

>>60207845

yeah I had to go with SFX, my other PSU was choking one of the intake fans

>>60207847
>I am a real man therefore I need a bigger board
>being this retarded

>>60207847

ATX builds/cases are a pain when you don't have that much desktop space available.

>>60205115
Just get a hub.

>>60207908
yeah that is what I am doing now, only got a PCIE one to make passing devices through easier due to QEMU's 4 device restriction by USB ID.

>>60202812
ATX notation:
>Standard>Micro>Mini>Nano>Pico
not
>Standard>Milli>Micro>Nano>Pico
If you are going to use metric prefixes at the very least use them in the right order damn.

>>60208198
Is "mini" an SI prefix?

>>60208217
Nope, and it tickles my mettwurst when all the rest are.

>>60208225
So they are in the right order.

>>60205224
That mATX mobo has an AGP slot and PCI slots (along with the PCI-e 1x).

mATX has three slots usually.If more than two are PCI-e then you have nothing to complain about.

>>60202812
Perhaps, but E-Atx is still the better purchase because of the amount of upgradability one can do to a motherboard of that size.

>>60207847
Real men don't fiddle with computers that can house ten HDDs for hentai

I love how mATX is finally becoming popular with case makers this year, they're finally catering to something I want
Its like bezelless phones too, 2017 is just my year.

>>60204716
nice bar fridge you have there, i like the conversion into a tower, is it a fisher and paykal or a Kelvinator? i can't tell

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MicroATX master race, checking in.

>>60202812
I have a standard ATX because I have something like 9 drives in my computer, and needed the space for the SATA connectors, plus the PCIE connectors for an extra sata controller. And a backup USB pci card because the usb3 controller on the motherboard sometimes shits itself.

Also I use the bottom PCIE8 slot for the videocard because that way I can fit more HDDs in the case (it's pcie 3.0 so the speed is still fine).

However I would love to move all my drives into a NAS in another room, and change my main computer into a small mATX box. Possibly even mini-itx, depending on whether I can find a motherboard that is sufficiently powered for a work + game PC. And make it a horizontal case, so it puts less strain on the components.

>>60202926
>Consoles and smartphones do everything you need.

consoles and smartphones can't run photoshop, mate.

>>60203900
>The extra space is good for airflow and giant ass heatsinks

They are actually bad for the airflow due to lower pressure. There's a reason why servers manage to get good cooling with tiny ass heatsinks - they force a lot of air fast through a small space, which is more efficient (they also run 4000rpm 50db fans but thats beside the point).

>>60204483
Wait...my computer will make Hot Pockets if it has enough empty space? Why wouldn't I want that.

>>60211423
ur soo funneh!
air pockets, moron

>>60211461
You must be fun at parties

>>60211461
stay butthurt angry retard

>>60202913
>buying AMD poo

>>60205528
>No disadvantage
Atx builds are fuckin huge, anon.

>>60205281
Onboard audio is always crap compared to an external USB DAC anyway. Relying on onboard is for poorfags only.

>>60205528
>There is literally no disadvantage to having a ATX motherboard

They're bigger and they cost more.

MicroATX is pretty much the sweet spot

Mini-ITX if you want to pay more to get something really tiny and don't need more than one pcie slot

>>60207847
>Real men who build their own systems need big ATX motherboards.

You must have a small dick

>>60202812
everything below ATX is a clusterfuck of different standards.

> micro ATX
> flex ATX
> mini ITX
> mini DTX

>>60211423
Alabama Hot Pockets.

I have multiple TV tuner cards on my PC. 8 streams at once.

>>60215411
Congrats, see OP
>there are certainly people who need those slots, but those should be the niche, not the default

>>60215446
So I have a legit reason to use ATX, thanks.

>>60215584
Well yeah, nobody said you didn't.

>>60202812
Sorry, I prefer having four RAM slots, 3 PCI-E x16 slots, 2 PCI slots and one PCI-E x4 slot.

>>60202812
mini-ITX is for portability. You don't really need one if you're an American because you'll never leave your country and you move around in your own cars.

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>>60203030

people like you should just buy a fucking prebuilt you consumer bitch.

your opnion is shitty and also less than worthless.

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>>60206087

missing ISA slot cunt

>>60202812
Is it possible to find a Nano-ITX or Pico-ITX case that can hold one 3.5" HDD with a power supply that can provide its SATA power?

I just need the PC to hold one 3.5" 8TB HDD and one 2.5" SSD (or else a M.2), but I want the smallest form factor possible. Any suggestions?

>>60216107

Indeed.

I still use a Hercules 8bit ISA viseo card to drive an MDA display.

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>>60207738
That case is so big for itx.

more mini itx boards need on board wifi and Bluetooth. i hate how the cheapest available to me is some gaming led crap (had to buy tho) with orange ram slots

atx is nicer to build in, so is having a larger case. I used to have a micro-atx and I much preferred my later atx boards, so much more comfy if I need to swap some components.

>>60216483
It is, but it's quieter than the vast majority of ITX cases.

>>60202812
I prefer eATX for my primary build. Plenty of space, enough for two graphics cards and my sound card.

My secondary build is micro-ATX, I don't plan to build expansion cards into it except one GPU. Having only two DIMM slots can turn into a problem if you plan to upgrade later.

>>60205115
Most mATX mobos have more than 6 USB ports, though. So it's not really a problem.

>>60202812
SSI EEB

nigga

>>60206087
Not enough PWM headers.

gpu (occupies 2 spaces)
sound aux ports (occupies 1 space)
nic (occupies 1 space)
hd controller (occupies 1 space)
5 slots needed

go back to using a laptop, microatx man

I'm gonna buy an EATX with two i7 6950X's and 128NiggaBytes of RAM losers

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>>60216107
>ISA
>2017

>>60205843
>30% bump in sales over the past year according to microcenter
That're AMD fanboys upgrading

>>60202812
why do you care?

You need to go fuck yourself and stop telling me what to buy.

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Building a little htpc shitbox right now
Or I would be if the processor seller ever shipped the danm thing
I swear to God, one out of every five things I buy either gets lost, stolen or never ships
I hate online shopping

Anyway, 10$ ECS Kam1-I motherboard, 8gb of ddr3, 160gb wd blue, seasonic 350w psu, evga gt710, waiting on the sempron 3850 and still looking into a decent case

Less than 100$ so far
Mini itx is cute

>>60202812
fuck you. i have a matx board and it has only 4 sata ports 2 ram slots and one pcie port. anything smaller than atx needs to die.

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>>60202812
Less is more goy enjoy your 20ft square apartment and pay your carbon tax.

As someone that just built an ATX computer I wish I would have read this a couple months ago. Logicalincrements and /pcbg/ kept telling me to go ATX when in reality an ITX would have been so much better for me.

To anyone who wants to build a computer just for games and casual stuff, mATX or ITX is the way to go. The only real reason (that I've noticed) to go ATX is for SLI or multiple hard drives or because you need 64gb of RAM. Otherwise you'll have a lot of wasted space.

>>60229079
>my board is shit so all boards are shit
Did you buy one of those h81 biostar boards or something? Two slot mini itx thing?

Buy a better board

>>60202812
those small boards probably die quicker too because all components are so close.

>>60206087
would probably short something if i had a card in all pcie slots

>>60206427
only use for itx could be a router or firewall

>>60229231
Yeah maybe if you went 4 way single slot cross fire or some shit but no, even with 75w cards in each slot it would work fine
Like any other motherboard

>>60207014
why arent there any boards using the new realtek sound chips? everyone uses the old 8xx chips

>>60206087
>Plug GPU
>Go to plug in Wifi adapter
...oh
>Go to plug in sound card
...oh
>Go to plug in Intel Optane
...oh

>>60202926
>Implying consoles and smartphones can actually be used to code programs more efficiently than a computer

>>60202812
I'm probably going for one of the SSI sizes next time, probably CEB so i don't need to have a crazy huge case.
1 CPU just doesn't cut it.

>>60207901
Then move our of your mum's house

>>60202812
why is mini smaller than micro?

>>60212025
> fucking huge

U wot m8

>>60223924

People still use ISA slots, mostly in industry.

I still use an 8bit ISA card.

Is m-atx cheaper?

>>60207765
How often do you look at the motherboard?

>>60206087
>I dare you to find something important that won't fit on this.
My dick.

>>60229464
What GPU do you have that takes up four slots?

>>60202812
ATX is still wanted for mining rigs.
Also BTC at $1600 we all fucking missed the goddamn boat

>>60229105
You'll still have that wasted space since midtowers that support full ATX are still the cheapest cases out there.

>>60205281
who the fuck uses analog out from a mobo?

>>60233139
Who doesn't?

>>60233145
I honestly don't know a single person that actually cares about audio in the slightest that uses the motherboard analog output

95% of people run hdmi to a receiver or monitor and the other 5% use an external usb dac

I would put the number of people that use analog out at the same number using spdif

The thing that no one tells you about going SFF is how hot and noisy the damn things are. Yeah they're more aesthetic in your living room but they sound like a fucking jet plane when pushed. It's better to use a mid-size case and spend the money to hide it (e.g. hdmi over ethernet and usb extenders)

>>60229105
you won't regret it in a couple of years when you want to add thunderbolt 5 ports and expansion nvme cards or whatever meme tech we'll be using then

Also they are so much less hassle to take apart and easier to upgrade or replace fans.

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>>60202812
people like you are the cancer in computing.

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Anyone try one of these yet? I'm thinking about using it in my next ryzen apu mini-ITX build I'm planning: http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-160-XT

An entire PSU on a single fucking plug, amazing.

>>60233285
>ripple through the roof
yeah no thanks

>>60233247
Sweet fuck the bus contention on that thing must be horrendous. How does any of that shit even function?

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>>60233308
nah famalama

>>60233361
>no y axis or any indication of scale
how helpful

>>60233247
what the hell am I looking at

>>60202926
>Consoles and smartphones do everything you need
this has to be a joke...

>>60204578
The best thing about mITX is that you can use a pico PSU and low wattage CPU which uses 150W compared with 450W+ on larger systems.

Should we all drive hummers too?

>>60205076
Virtualization and autism are separate use cases.

>>60233758
That is an ISA expansion card, I think.

>>60231538
With what CPU and RAM do you still use ISA?

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>>60202812
I have no idea why this has so many (You)s, it's a pretty okay observation and it has been the default for a long time, mATX is easily the most common form factor in OEM systems today
>>60202926
bait but there are people who seriously think today's smartphones are something other than portable telescreens/facebook toys that will always be inherently gimped by their form factor and lowest-common-denominator design considerations

>>60234272
the latest I've seen are specialty LGA 775 boards that ship with a single slot

>being a desklet

>>60202812
It's true, for a simple media/gaymen machine mini ITX is plenty. If you have more than 4 HDDs you'd be retarded not to build a separate NAS to begin with.

>>60202812
Except for the fact I use those extra slots. Fake news.

>>60229464
>Go to plug in Wifi adapter
USB or ethernet wifi
>Go to plug in sound card
USB DAC/AMP
>Go to plug in Intel Optane
SSD

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>>60203030
>>60204522
>>60205843
>>60211397
>>60229558
>>60234159
>>60235220

>>60238559

>>60238559
See
>>60238559

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>>60238754

>>60207738
I just bought this case last night. Hopefully its nice.