https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/ status/85950201593590579

>>60182311
That's because he's still an idiot.

>>60182311
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

Budget John Carmack is at it again kek

>>60182311
Do you really think Microsft will prevent people from installing software on their computer?

>>60182311
Please bring the UE4 Editor binaries to Linux.

>>60182379

Do you really think Microsoft would not allow you to turn off auto updates?

Do you really think Microsoft would put advertisements all over the UI?

Do you really think Microsoft would send Telemetry without any way to turn it off?

>>60182379
That's what Windows 10 S/Cloud is meant to do

You can't run Win32 programs on that

It fucks Steam up and you can only run programs from the crappy Windows Store

Steam is cancer now anyway.

>>60182453
POO

>>60182311
Steam isn't a Windows Store app.

>>60182438
>you can only run programs from the crappy Windows Store
Yes, and Steam would never be allowed on the platform unless it was purely as a messaging client because it competes directly with the Windows store.

Not sure why anyone would buy one of these overpriced Chromebooks.

>>60182466
It's the truth. Fuck those kikes. At this point pirating is the only decent way to get games.

>>60182379
Yes. The functionality was recently added. It's just off by default... for now.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/28/microsoft_restricts_windows_software/

It being on by default in a future build will be the next way they'll "protect" people from "the bad guys". And normies will have no idea how to disable it.

>>60182434
>Do you really think Microsoft would not allow you to turn off auto updates?
Microsoft allows you to turn them off, though.
>Do you really think Microsoft would put advertisements all over the UI?
I don't think they are everywhere, but GNU + Ubuntu Linux did this as well.
>Do you really think Microsoft would send Telemetry without any way to turn it off?
The entire web collects data, are you retarded? Snowden is a fool, btw

>>60182438
>Starter
This is meant for African children using there fisher price laptops.

>>60182481
Thats the point, faggot

Steam is locked out of Windows 10 S, thats the end game for Microsoft

Future Windows will simply not run Win32 apps and you can only download apps from the Windows Store

Why is everyone so blind when Tim Sweeney can see what is gonna happen in the future?

ZERO CHOICE

>>60182311
These applications aren't available in the Windows store in the first place. How is that Microsoft's fault?

>>60182493
>Microsoft allows you to turn them off, though.
No they don't, you can't even disable them in Windows 10 Pro and enabling a metered connection only delays certain updates

>>60182487
Better steam kikes than Micropoo street shitters.
you can at least decide whether or not you install steam, Windows come into the PCs of the illiterate.

>>60182513
>Windows 10 S

Who cares?

>>60182513
You can upgrade to standard Windows (or a good OS) at any time.

>Future Windows will simply not run Win32 apps
source?

>>60182511
Is that why Microsoft sells it on a $1000 laptop?
>>60182515
Microsoft prevents them from being added to the Windows Store, Steam will never be on the Windows Store as its functionality is prohibited in Windows 10 S.

>>60182542
Future Windows will be locked down to Store downloads only, you asked for this

Even Home/Pro/Enterprise, because Microsoft wants that after seeing how huge Apple's success is with their walled garden App Store

>>60182566
He asked you for a source.

>>60182548
Chrome OS is meant for $200 laptops, but Google still makes the very expensive Pixel.

>>60182566
>Future Windows will be locked down to Store downloads only, you asked for this
Source?

>>60182519
You are misinformed. I am sure your knowledge comes from /g/ entirely as well.
>>60182513
Who fucking cares about some shit tier programmer. The entire industry is full of shit.
>>60182548
Yes. There are people as clued in as african children living in the congo when it comes to technology. This thread is evident.

>>60182566
>Microsoft wants that after seeing how huge Apple's success is with their walled garden App Store
You're not wrong, but Apple doesn't even use the walled garden model on Mac, you can still install applications from any location. It just warns you if you try to launch something that's unsigned.

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You can enable non-Store installs from the settings menu.

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>>60182604
Until they cut your lifeline.

>>60182453
>now

>>60182604
boiling frog.jpg

>>60182493
Microsoft doesn't allow you to do shit. You can break the functionality by disabling services, but you are not supposed to do that and I'm sure Microsoft will eventually fix that.

>>60182604
You can't do this with Windows 10 S

Which will be preloaded on many laptops and OEMs will do it to save money and Microsoft will control your programs/app download experience

>>60182595
>You are misinformed. I am sure your knowledge comes from /g/ entirely as well.
I'm on Windows 10 Pro right now, show me how to disable Windows 10 updates.
>Yes. There are people as clued in as african children living in the congo when it comes to technology. This thread is evident.
They aren't going to buy a $1000 laptop that can't install programs.

>>60182311
good
fuck steam and epic games launcher

G O G . c o m
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>>60182631
>but you are not supposed to do that
>You aren't allowed to use your OS in a way that makes my argument invalid.

I am laughing at your life.

>>60182566
Why would Microsoft even try doing that?

If they did, theit market share would collapse overnight as users would realize just how many of their applications aren't available on the Windows store?

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>Windows only allows Store apps to be installed
>Steam not allowed in the Windows Store

Will this move the PC gaming industry over to Linux?

i don't get why people even like Steam.

A) it's like iTunes for gaymes
B) it's botnet

>>60182660
Won't happen until AMD and Nvidia start releasing decent drivers.

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>>60182660
Absolutely.
The more people move the better everything gets.

>>60182311
why would Steam be in the Microsoft Store?

is this guy retarded?

>>60182712
The new Windows 10 S only allows Windows Store apps to be installed.

>>60182712
This.

>hurr durr why doesn't adobe.com have a GIMP installer

>>60182712
>>60182740
>missing the point

>>60182493
>The entire web collects data, are you retarded? Snowden is a fool, btw
He may be given the choice he made.
But it's not about snowden, it's about the data he revealed. We know what is happening and can change it.

>>60182695
Because I don't like discs and piracy is illegal.

Windows Store doesn't have Dota 2 or Skyrim or TF2 or any of the other normie shit though. MS couldn't get away with locking normies out of their gaymes.

>>60182379
They literally just announced today that is exactly what they plan to do.

>>60182754
my experience with steam was buying a physical copy of Half Life 2, a single player game, and not being able to play it because my internet went down

that was like 10 years ago i hear you don't have to be connected to play anymore, but it really pissed me off.

>>60182736
there is no indication from that 1 tweet that Windows 10S was what OP and Sweeney were talking about.

>>60182746
whats the point?

if we are talking about a Locked Down form of Windows 10, sounds like something Schools would be interested in buying. Apple generally has that market locked down.

>>60182311
>This DRM controlled proprietary store is ok
>This other DRM controlled proprietary store isn't

Valvefags are hilarious

>>60182511
No, it's meant for the mainstream audience like you and me, but it has to be gradually shoved down our throats so it isn't outright rejected.

You're a useful idiot senpai

>>60182542
>You can upgrade to standard Windows (or a good OS) at any time.

You can do that now.

I'd be willing to bet within 5 years you can't.

You've either got to be a shill or an utter moron.

>>60182311
Steam is poison, so yay for Microsoft.

>>60182311
My god you are retarded. Not even sure how to reply to this post.

>>60182653
>If they did, theit market share would collapse overnight as users would realize just how many of their applications aren't available on the Windows store?

Did you somehow miss the plethora of cucks in this thread begging for microsoft's dick up their ass? All MS has to do is toss in a few exclusives and these sycophant retards will gobble at it like a crackwhore at a gloryhole

>>60182926
The king is dead long live the king.

>search Windows on Steam
>zero results

WOOOOOOOOW

>>60182882
>like you and me
>on /g/ thinking Starter is an acceptable purchase
>calling me an idiot

I am laughing at your life.

>>60182953
desu I doubt that guy is intelligent enough to even understand what you're saying

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>>60182952
>all Microsoft has to do is make their service better than this other service and people will use it
Yeah no shit.

>>60182964
You're going to get this "starter" windows eventually, cuck. Just like you have Windows 10.

And when you do get it shoved down your throat, you'll be here, defending it, pretending like you weren't previously defending microsoft's moves by saying they'd never stoop this far.

Anyone with more than two braincells to rub together can see the writing on the wall.

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>>60182647
>GoG

Is this the designated microsoft shill thread?

Do you guys get paid overtime to spam all the xbox and windows threads all day? Is it pay by post? How much do you usually make?

>>60182513
>My favorite (((DRM))) isn't on this other store full of (((DRM))) waaaah!
Install gentoo

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>>60182963

>>60182636
It's a shilling pajeet

>>60182493
>>60182595

>>60182311
Christ, there's so many stupid people in his comments. How do they think running a program UI through a browser will help battery life?

>>60183011
does Apple pay you with fruit?

>>60182695

Cheap games.
Support for multiple OSs
Integrated chat

>>60182311
>Killing DRM

Somehow this is bad why?

>>60182660
>>60182434
>>60182438
>>60182487
>>60182493
>>60182513
Windows 10 is a very modern os, highly optimized for the hardware
It will deliver excellent performance and maximum possible battery life

>>60182873

Valve isn't anticompetitive. They won't force you to not use anything else.

>>60183275
>>Killing DRM
They're replacing DRM with other form of DRM. Killing it would be GoG, not Microshaft

>>60182489
>And normies will have no idea how to disable it.
Like I would possibly care.

>>60182997
Just end your pathetic autistic life.

>>60183277
15 rupees have been deposited to your account Rajeet.

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>>60183277
>>60183255

>>60183275
Steam isn't DRM though.

>>60183358
Yes it is.

Just because you can circumvent Steam it doesn't stop beings DRM.

>>60183358
it can only not be considered drm for games that do not require it to run. you can try and post some number of games that do not require it in an attempt to prove your point, however unless you are talking about games that are in the top 10, 20 or even 50 your argument is null

>>60183394
No, you just don't understand what DRM means.
>>60183405
That's so fucking stupid. That's like saying Linux is DRM because you can run programs that use DRM on it.

I just love /g/ windows conspiratardism.
>Windows 10 is gonna be subscription based;
>Windows 10 won't allow w32 apps soon.
Trust me, they are soon gonna pull the plug on 90% OF PROGRAMS EVER WRITTEN FOR WINDOWS;
>Windows won't allow pirated apps soon;

Seriously, do you even know what the usual windows user is like, software wise?

>>60183439
post how many games in the top 50 do not require steam to run

ill wait

>>60183454
That's not what DRM means. That's like saying Linux is DRM because you can run programs that use DRM on it.

>>60183469
no, drm means it requires some sort of 3rd party to verify it is allowed to run.

you cant try to wiggle out of this kiddo

>>60183469
Educate yourself, you're embarrassing.

http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_DRM-Free_Games_on_Steam

>>60183502
>no, drm means it requires some sort of 3rd party to verify it is allowed to run.
Okay. Steam doesn't require any third party software to verify running though.
>>60183507
>SOME GAMES THAT ARE SOLD ON STEAM USE DRM
>THEREFORE STEAM IS DRM
ye, ur retarded
>SOME PROGRAMS THAT RUN ON LINUX USE DRM
>THEREFORE LINUX IS DRM

>>60183523
Did you even read let alone click that wiki?
Those tiny subset of games are games that are DRM free, including Sream's DRM.

>>60183523
Steam is the third party ya dingus.
Steam IS the DRM.

>>60183536
>Did you even read let alone click that wiki?
Not really, that list is known to be shit. c http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
>including Sream's DRM.
You mean Steamworks? Yeah, I hate that shit.

>>60183523
you are trying very hard to twist it. when someone say 'steam is drm' they dont mean steam requires drm to run, they mean steam is the drm platform that games use.

nice attempt though

>>60182489
Maybe when people L I T E R A L L Y lose control over their devices they'll actually be pushed into the Linux Desktop.

I guess after all this time the only thing that could kill Microsoft... was Microsoft.

>>60183555
>they mean steam is the drm platform that games use.
But it isn't. Steam has no inherent DRM to it at all. It doesn't even need an internet connection. I think you're confusing Steam with games that have some form of built in DRM such as Denuvo, Steamworks, GFWL, etc.

>>60183569
games require steam to run to launch their executable = drm

you need to install steam to play a game = steam is drm

but your logic, denuvo is not drm

>>60183584
>games require steam to run to launch their executable = drm
Wrong. Only games with DRM require Steam to launch their executable.

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>>60183523
>>60183552

>>60183277
That is a lie.

I installed windows on my hard drive because I needed the best possible battery life.

I tried same conditions with windows 10 vs 7.

6 hours under windows 10.
8 hours and thirty minutes under windows 7.

Go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>60183599
You mean games that don't have DRM Don't REQUIRE Steam to run?

Are you even aware what yo uare saying lmao.

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>>60182513
>only reasons to stay on Windows is gaymen and photoshop
>restrict the most well-known game store from being installed

could Microsoft really be this dumb?

>>60183599
and steam is the drm

checkmate

>>60183668
>only reason

stop kidding yourself, not even ubuntu is as user friendly as window.

>>60183447
>Google Chrome
>Microsoft Office
>solitaire
90% of users only use this

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>>60183768
It's not the UI is starting to strain under all the legacy shit.

7 can be a little weird to come back to and navigate after all these years. It feels like it has five or six layers that interconnect in odd ways that you had to grow into to understand with menus that make you question whether they should be there at all or combined.
8 is a clusterfuck that tried to aim for unity.
10 is redundant because muh tablet mode. Also the menus control slightly different things with more or less configuration in either one as compared to the other.

>>60182453
VIRAL "I passed the engliash test in 44 minutes on upwork" Pajeet at it again

>>60183754
Steam is the store. That's like saying Walmart and Gamestop are DRM.

>>60183584
Denuvo isn't DRM though, it's anti-tamper tech. You could technically have a game with Denuvo that's DRM-free and could be pirated without cracking Denuvo, it's just that would be silly.

>>60182493
>Snowden is a fool, btw
Neo-/g/ needs to fucking go and stay go.

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>>60185680
It's DRM in that it's using my own technology to prevent me from modifying the stuff on my computer in the way I want.

The distinction isn't really all that important desu senpai

>>60182633
Or you could just format the drive and install another copy of a different version of windows for free? And frankly if normies can't figure it out they probably don't need to anyways.

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>>60185680
>Denuvo isn't DRM though, it's anti-tamper tech.

Denuvo has servers that it phones home to but -somehow- it's not drm. Drm has a negative connotation so they started spouting this bullshit.

How is this even a question?
It's a matter of WHEN, not IF.

They just recently started harshly enforcing the signed drivers thing, which is fucking absurd. Test mode doesn't disable it anymore, switching it off via command line now only lasts one boot.

Completely disruptive.

>>60182653
>Why would Microsoft even try doing that?
>If they did, theit market share would collapse overnight as users would realize just how many of their applications aren't available on the Windows store?
Because selling operating systems just isn't profitable anymore. Windows 95 was selling for $209 back in the 1990s. Thats about $330 USD adjusting for inflation. The server versions were extremely expensive and most of that revenue has gone away as well.

MS know they can't just kill win32 straight away, they will degrade performance and break compatibility with updates until win32. They will probably allow very simple applications to run sandboxed with limited access to the system to keep businesses happy.

For games and anything needing a gpu or decent performance they are going to kill win32. They have bet their entire windows division on being able to transition to an app store model where they get a % of all windows software sales. They will either succeed or it will kill windows as a consumer OS. Consumer PC sales don't really bring in that much money for them so they aren't risking as much as people think. If the app store backfires they will just focus on business and push the windows license prices up to $1000 or something while trying to sell cloud alternatives to business.

In 5 - 10 years there's very little chance you will be able to own a windows PC like you do now.

DRM Fact Check:

DRM is anything that artificially restricts you from doing something with a piece of software which it would otherwise be capable of doing.
Photoshop for example, won't let you work with high resolution images of currency because it detects it. That is one form of DRM
Denuvo is another different form of DRM.

Valve do provide DRM for developers to use with games they release on Steam.
This isn't mandatory, and a few games will be more than happy to be copied from the Steam directory and run without it.