>Lenovo is the only company who makes decent laptops

all laptops nowadays are shit
there, you've been proven

>>60156361
chink plastic

i hate how all companies went to island keys i hate it.

if you look at a Lenovo laptop too hard, legend says it will bend and the screen will fall out

>>60156361
I agree

Posted from my t520

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>>60156361
100% true

>>60156376
This bothers me as well. Thanks Steve Jobs.

I had two Lenovo laptops, both are mediocre and qualty of materials is shit.

>>60156406
>women

x240 y/n?

mecbook

>>60156406
happens to men as well.

ibm was such an iconic company. wish they never sold out to the chiner.

>superfish

>>60156437
n

>>60156460
Cause I'm is ahead of the curve and saw cloud futures.

>>60156361
Which laptop is this?

>>60156521
Apple iBook

>>60156437
>no trackpoint buttons
I wouldn't

>>60156361
BOTNET
O
T
N
E
T

>>60156376
why?
It's easier to clean and more study towards the center
other than that it's just looks that set them apart for the most part
>>60156437
if it's cheap then yes
>>60156551
you can fix that for really cheap

>>60156437
I have it, recommend. Awesome laptop

>>60156376
island keys, what does it mean ?

>>60156460
if IBM didn't sell PC business, thinkpads will always a year late and twice more expensive just like IBM software and services

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>>60156437
only with a touchpad swap.

also note that it's slower than x230

>>60156745
>easier to clean
no not really

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>>60156361
Panasonic

>>60157391
>also note that it's slower than x230

this is the funniest part about modern laptops

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you're right
from Russia with love for Thinkpads

>>60156361
I know of one multinational in the top 50 (Forbes) that will switch from Lenovo to HP in May/June.

love the T430 keyboard, will miss it.

>tfw ywn get an X1 Carbon because you live in a shitty third world country

>>60157472
It makes sense that a 12" laptop would aim for battery life and compactness first, speed second.
But switching to a low voltage processor and single-channel memory was too much of a trade-off for 2 extra hours of battery life and lack of battery protrusion on the bottom. Plus that trackpad bullshit. X260 is where they got it mostly right again.

>>60156361
>Prove me wrong
I gave my nephew a Lenovo laptop for Christmas.

His mother went through his browser history. She found porn there. She started yelling at my nephew and then she picked up a big rock and smashed it into the back of the screen.

No the screen no longer works on that laptop. He is still using it with an external monitor.

There, now I've proved .. something. Perhaps you wrong.

>>60157720
His mother sounds like a mentally unhinged cunt

I'm working with another student right now who uses a Thinkpad with anime stickers on it; does this mean that he's /g/?

I don't want to ask

>>60158535
It's not just a /g/ meme, no. If you want to bring it up then just say you've seen the durability being talked up on the internet or something.

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>>60156361
Lenovo installs malware on BIOS level.
Fuck you and your botnet.

>>60156361
>malware on default installs
>malware in bios
>hardware whitelist
>encrypted bios
>...

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>>60156368
Tbh everything is made in China

How many thinkpad threads do we need?

(I love them too)

>>60158535
Almost certainly, yes.

>>60156361
>plastic
>chink

>>60157472
Explain

>>60157679
What is the best spec 230 I could get with the most bang per buck

>>60158535
Ask him if he's tried gentoo.

>>60156368
there is literally no plastic in my x1 carbon

>>60159170
>>plastic
what do you suggest as a replacement then? rubber? wood? stone?

>>60156361

No company makes decent laptops nowadays; It's all shit quality plastic macbook clones with complementary hardware rootkits.

Thanks capitalism.

>>60156361
>no dGPU
>ULV trash
>overpriced as fuck
>shitty screens
>overheating, even with ULV
no thanks

>>60159221
X1C is CFRP (carbon-fibre reinforced plastic)

>>60157462

Honestly that is ugly as fuck. But in terms of build quality Panasonic is very good.

>>60156361
lenovo? plastic as fuck, bulky as fuck, full of bloatware-lenovo shit, costs insanely much
have you heard of HP?

>>60156361
>Dell
>Clevo
Need I say more?

>>60157462
What's that?

>>60158725
This

>>60156406
>she doesn't think that happens to men also

>>60159214
Gentoo isn't that obscure these days
Most tech kiddies know about Arch and Gentoo

>>60159792
>Gentoo
overrated piece of shit used by hipsters

>>60159843
Honestly can't tell the difference between different distros after setup
Gentoo, Arch, Debian, even random shit like Void
They're all the same after you take out shit you don't need and grab the stuff you do

>>60156361
Are they easier to maintain than HP Elitebooks?

>>60159872
>knows how to set-up gentoo, arch, debian
>uses unoobtoo
>cuz mah love for Canonical

>>60159904
Nothing is easier to maintain than HP products, but HP products need more maintenance.

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>>60159938
Setting up all of those is literally as easy as RTFM

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>>60157062
>if IBM didn't sell PC business

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>>60159951

>>60156361
>known chinese botnet

>>60160016
wot

>>60156361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEZMNXz1JY

>>60159193
>Explain
ULV processors
Because Intel it's so jew that instead of trying to do an effort to redesign their architecture properly, they prefer to offer underclocked Sandy Bridge in 22 nm.
Hopefully AMD will rape them. Ryzen is intrinsecally more energy efficient. Full voltage and less comsumption == btfo.
Lenovo or Apple will have to be absolutely binded by contracts (or being absolute morons) to refuse to put ryzen on their laptops.

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>>60156361
Proved wrong

>>60160124
Outside of the keyboard, that design was perfect.
The new one has more quirks than a whore.
The keyboard could have be awesome if had more travel.
But no.

>>60160124
That's the one I have

>>60160116
I expect Lenovo to offer it at least

>>60158725
not even a fresh reinstall of winblows will save you, anon

lenovo a shit
might as well with asus dell or msi

>>60160116
>Hopefully AMD will rape them. Ryzen is intrinsecally more energy efficient. Full voltage and less comsumption == btfo.


except that we haven't seen any new mobile AMD chips, so lets keep the wishful thinking to a minimum.

>>60160124
Fragile scratchfest, like trying to code on a fucking antique teacup

>>60156361
You're wrong

>>60160269
OP btfo

>>60160269

WOOF!!!!! OPs opinion dropped!

>>60160218
>implying that they will not have even a Ryzen chip for mobile already designed
>implying that they will not try to seduce Apple to left Intel at least
>implying that the dream of Lisa isn't taste Cook's Cock

>>60159236
Aluminum like in Macbook™

Lol I sold my retina MBP for a x240 direct from lenovo a few years ago. Fucking screen had ghosting issues and the trackpad was fucking terrible. Apparently the panel Lenovo was using had systemic issues and many complained about its usage in the Yoga, etc. Complained to Lenovo but they blamed me for leaving my screen on too long (the fucking thing was a month old).
Filed a claim with my credit card company, got my money back, and bought another MBP. Expensive lesson, but holy fuck I am not touching Lenovo again.

>>60160314
Isn't cook gay

>>60160314
Ryzen mobile will BTFO everything in the market. The energy efficiency on these things is insane.

>>60157462
>VGA port...

can't play rocket league on them shits with good graphics

>>60160386
Cookie gave Steve Jobs HIV AIDS

>>60156361
Dell exists.

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>>60160445

>>60160263
>Fragile scratchfest
you must be a hamfisted retard.

For both enterprises and consumers? I'd say yes, because most consumers just want a brand new Facebook machine even if it costs more than a T40/41/43/50/60/61 that does the same thing for about 1/10 of the price.

Still, ALL of the consumer lines in all companies suck ass.

>>60156931
Every key having that gap between them you see in every model nowadays.

>>60156376
this

Just look T440.

>>60160503
>Every key having that gap between them you see in every model nowadays.
any idea why this shit became the standard? it looks ugly as hell.

>>60156361
>people willing to pay flimsy plastic for the price of aluminium

Hmm.

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>>60156361
My brother had an HP Elitebook he got from his work. He wanted me to swap out the board with all the USB inputs because he somehow plugged something in wrong and fried it. I think he did something fucky with a portable battery.

I liked the build and how it came apart so I picked one up myself. i5-3320M/8GB RAM/NVIDIA Quadro K100M. Not for real gaymen but it's a nice computer.

>>60160666
Applel I think

>>60156361
dell isn't that bad.

only problem is new xps is a little more time consuming to repair.

>>60160386
Fujoshis exists lad. They don't care.

>>60161181
fujos don't want yaoi cock though

>>60160447
COIL WHINE
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>>60157679
>X260 is where they got it mostly right again.

I was thinking about getting an x270 but it seems from reading reviews they done fucked it up again, it's worse than the x260, and it seems there really is no reason to buy it over the current carbon except for being able to use an extended battery. but without buying the biggest battery, the carbon actually runs better for longer, has a better screen, and doesn't get as hot. problem is I will have to wait forever for the price of that carbon to be affordable for me. oh well, I'll keep using the x230 which I love.

>>60160154
I'm with you 100%. I still rock an old mid-2012 MBP with a shitty i5-3210m because the keyboard is the epitome of comfy.

>>60159248
>implying other economic systems would have results anywhere near as advanced
i can't believe i spent 10 seconds solving a captcha just to respond to this bait

>>60156368
No plastic in my T450

>>60156437
i have it. 10/10 would buy again

>>60156376
Why, they are good, and honestly they feel better. Old thinkpad keyboards felt flimsy, I remember they would bend a little bit if I pushed harder. Now, the keyboard feels more tactile and isn't as flimsy as it used to be

It's just evolution, island is designed to feel better under fingers (unless you of course have a keyboard that has no depth )

I used to associate Lenovo with crap but I recently got a 510s Ideapad and it's surprisingly good. Great specs and screen for the price.

>>60161942
Isn't X270 just a X260 with babby lake and USB-C?

>>60159649
You have bad taste

>>60159732
What's a filename?

>>60160438
And...?

Really though the t460 and t470 are top notch. The days of shit (430 440) are over, 450 was the turning point

>>60160852
How much?

Why are thinkpad screens so terrible? By default they come with 1366x768 eyecancer and the upgrade options are pretty crap too.

>>60163123
>feel better under fingers
Except they don't, because they are level flat tiles. A good keyboard should slope. The old thinkpad keyboards could be entirely swapped out if they broke as well, the new keys make repair much harder.

>>60163623
The newer ones are all with 1080p or 1440p. Just don't but shit that is 6 years old yo. But yeah thinkpads have shit screens in general. It's just because the people who buy them dont need games or movies so they cut corners there. Actually I have a t460 and the screen is perfectly fine.

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>>60163662
They all have the option of 1080p or 1440p but that costs extra.

>>60161193
their Precision mobiles don't coilwhine but they're 4000 fucking shekels, so welp

>tfw stuck between XPS 13 and and thinkpad 13
>xps has some driver bullshit on linux and notoriously bad QC leading to coil whine
>thinkpad 13 is modern lenovo chinkshit that may or may not be malware infested on a bios level
Why cant x220's have a 1080p swap
Fuck me i just want a decently modern ultraportable that doesnt break bank why is it so hard

>>60156361
>lenovo
>not Clevo

I pity the people who never tried a custom built Clevo laptop.

>>60163862
You can try the X series.
13 is Thinkpad Edge tier.

Thoughts on the Thinkpad 13? Seems decent enough for the money they ask.

anyone have a t/x*70 model? how is it?

any thinkpad 13 users?

>>60163862
>why do very compact yet high performance products with great build quality cost money?

>>60164055
>>60164031
x260 is the basically same price and none of the consumershit quality.

>>60163623
>>60163662

Modern Thinkpads have awesome screens.

- matte
- IPS
- decent resolutions
- high nits
- matte (this can't be stressed enough)

>>60156406
>yeah you need to re-initialize the client
Vs.
>yeah just restart it

>>60164140
Can only say for the t460 but the matte screen is fucking great

>>60164031
>Thoughts on the Thinkpad 13?


>Thinkpad
>muh thin

Just buy a Mac Air if you're into that shit.

>>60163862

XPS 13 is very good,best laptop that ive ever had

>>60157391
>Slower

Nope. The processor is objectively better. What happened between these generations was the introduction of ULV processors, which caused old M CPUs to turn into U CPUs. An incremental speed increase and a 20w decrease in TDP. What you're thinking about is the introduction of the T440, which now uses ULV instead of MQ processors. However, this is a non issue, because there's now a T4**p line, which continues the standard TDP of its' predecessors.

tl;Dr this guy is clueless

>>60164180
There's no reason for a laptop to be thick if they can make it thinner without sacrificing anything

>>60164055
Get a 460 series. They are great and the 470 is the same except for thunderbolt and Pcie SSD

>>60164180
I'm just asking 'cuz it's cheap and has decent battery life.

>>60164204
On that note why are manufacturers putting PCIe SSDs in their laptops? Don't they consume more power than SATA ones?

>>60164305
Looks better on paper

>>60164305
they are smaller so more space for battery more than makes up for the a little bit more consumption and they are faster

>>60164317
But so does more battery life.

>>60164348
SATA m.2 drives exist too.

>>60156361
You spelled Dell wrong

>>60164305
>Don't they consume more power than SATA ones?

I think NVMe SSD's actually consume less power per MB read/written.
They tend to be much faster and thus consume more power overall, but that's not really an important measure.

But the real reason is they are smaller, often leaving a 2.5" bay free for a hard drive or second SSD.

>>60164305
Really good question. >>60164317 already answered.

Basically it's only useful for servers but they need to add something new in a world which has entirely stalled hardware wise.

>>60164410
AHCI was designed for hard drives.
And using SSD over SATA was always a bit of a hack.

Makes perfect sense to move all SSD's over to NVMe, even if you don't "need" the extra performance it has far less overhead and latency.

>>60156361
>terrible cooling
>shit keyboard
>shovelware shoved deep

Only reason people buy lenovo is that they're a tad cheaper than it's competitors. And it's evident why.

>>60164567
hint: we're not talking about their low-end products.

>>60164567
Thing is they're not cheaper. A proper enterprise grade thinkpad is more expensive than a similar spec Elitebook. My work has switched as a result. The Elitebooks are great but will they last as long? Doubt it.

>>60165083
yes, elitebooks are great

easier to service as well

>>60163260
yes, but because they just shoved it in the same old case with no design considerations, it gets worse battery, it throttles harder, and it heats up way too much. plus removing some other shit like the full car reader and some other things left weak flex points all over.

the only thing is does better than the x260 is marginally better graphics, but even that gets gimped by throttling. the carbon with the same CPU gets like 15% better performance on graphics and like 5% more on CPU. the x-series needs a total overhaul.

>>60165083
This is true.

Thinkpads are only for successful companies.

>>60156361
Dell has come out with some good shit the last few years

>>60165005
I thought they put their spyware on some of the thinkpads too?

>>60165214
Not since Superfish blew them the fuck out, now they're too scared to do anything stupid.

>>60165214
No, spyware only went on low end crap.
....well...except for Windows 10.

>>60164180
Thinkpad 13 is not very thin by modern standards.

>>60156361
I have a lenovo y50 as of now.

I've been loving it.

>buying memepads

>>60156361
Apple >>> Lenovo > (libreboot) Lenovo >>> Sager >>>>>>> Dell Business class laptops >>>>>>>>>> Tablets >>>>>>>>> other laptops >>>>>>>>> Tablets you buy at dollar stores and china and the "bargain" rack at an "electronics store"

Honorable mention in the MS Surface...

If IBM stepped back into the consumer market i would laugh as Lenovo crumbled under the weight of its own chinkshit

Can you imagine?
No thinkpads, thinkpads would be gone to lenovo, forever tainted by the garbage they slapped that name onto.

No, new IBM bricks, true professional machines built to the upmost quality.

>>60163123
I already find that the keys always wobble in the islands, it's annoying

>>60167046
no one wants to pay 5 grand for a fucking laptop anymore

>>60156406
>abusing technical jargon so you look smart in front of people even though you barely understand what you're talking about

vs.

>speak in plain English because you actually understand the subject and can relate it back in simple terms

Men can be just as guilty of that, it's not a female issue at all.

>>60167043
So the implication here is that Dell's business products are inferior to Lenovo's consumer line then?

>>60167109
somebody tell acer that, they've lost their fucking minds.

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>>60156361
Lenovo may not be the best ever, but I really love muh carbon right now.

>>60165005
Ah, the Y50-70 is a low-end product. My mistake.

>>60163037
The Lada was pretty based. Unfortunately we'll never know what high tech future communist laptops would look like because bloodsucking American capitalist destroyed it.

>>60160124
I honestly don't know what to do. I've used mac for laptops my entire life but the new MBP looks likes such shit.

I just want a laptop with a decent processor (i5/i7 Haswell-Kaby), only a SSD and large battery life.

What do I get?

>>60169984
T470 has the best battery on the market

>>60169984
The HP Spectre x360 is pretty good for what you described

>>60167376
the carbon used to be shitty, it's now better than the current x-series. though I hear the t470 is quite good, probably because it got a proper design refresh.

>>60169984
Dell XPS 13

>>60156931
He's confused.
He's talking about chiclet keys.
Island keys refers to the grouping of Home, End, Insert, Delete, PgDn, PgUp keys that ThinkPads used to have before 2012.

>>60164187
>The processor is objectively better.
OR IS IT?
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3320M+%40+2.60GHz
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4200U+%40+1.60GHz&id=1947

>What happened between these generations was the introduction of ULV processors
u wot m8? ULV processors existed since Core 2 era. You had stuff like i5-3317U in the same generation as X230 - and while Haswell did give them a boost in performance, it wasn't enough to catch up to 35W parts.

>>60170231
>>60170092
>>60171012

Thanks guys, any other suggestions?

>>60163518
Own a T470, my first Thinkpad coming from exclusively using desktops (one at work one at home) from my noob ass perspective, here's the T470
>island keyboard is slightly frustrating at first but not a huge deal because it's easy to adapt to quickly
>keys don't give enough tactile feedback in my opinion, but I've only ever used mechanical keyboards so mileage may vary
> I live in Hawaii, so it's constantly hot as fuck and I haven't heard this things can turn on once, and it's never felt warm in my lap (although I haven't been really pushing it at all)
>the build quality is pretty damn good for plastic, no screen wobble or keyboard flex that I've noticed
>I've used it lightly for 3-4 hours for the past 4 days and I haven't had to recharge it (got the 72whr battery)
>just werks out of the box for Linux
Pretty happy so far

>>60164140
that's weird because even the fanboys on /r/thinkpads complain about how lenovo's choice of panels are shit

>Anon just buy this X220, it's durable and it's robust and it doesn't break and it's this thing you can always rely on
>Ok
>Buy one
>Trackpoint leaves finger sore after a while, keeps drifting into places randomly so I have to stop using it after a short while
>Trackpoint scrolling is really jerky on anything on Windows that is not the web browser
>Battery is wobbly, looks like it's about to come out at any second
>Type a bit on it, notice the keyboard is flexing on the left side
>Try to fix it, the keyboard bezel is so weak I don't know why it even exists, bends like a bitch
>Ok fuck it let's just cope with it
>Buy a mini dock series 3 because I want to plug the thing to monitors
>Put it in there
>Wobbles like crazy

Seriously I know that this is cheap stuff and all but at least fucking admit it's not top notch quality. I paid 200EUR for this and I would not pay a cent more for it.

>>60156406
It's called "I feel like I'm always right and I have to tell everyone about it" so it reeks of cunt and people stop listening even when you're actually right which happens to be not 100% of the time

Just saiya-jin

I need a laptop but also need to compile xcode. I could get an XPS 13 and an old (2010-2012), used macbook for around the same price as a current-gen MBP 13. I've never used a mac before. What should I go with?

>>60156361
lenovo lsa.exe

>>60172290
Wouldn't the incredible inconvenience of carrying around two laptops make dual booting on the MBP the obvious choice?

Dell Latitude > Lenovo Thinkpad.

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>>60171165
Getac X500 server

>>60172465
>carrying around
Not sure if you meant that literally but if I had both I'd only be using the MBP to compile code that I write on another computer. I've tried doing it with a VM before but it's a hassle especially if I want to run an iOS emulator inside of the VM to test it.

>>60164358
the faster the cpu can load everything the faster it can go back to idle
plus it makes the computer a hell of a lot faster

>>60163623
>>60163906
>>60167046
>>60160460
>>60159248
>>60157571
asperger

>>60156368
who cares?

>>60163123
>Old thinkpad keyboards felt flimsy
is this bait?

>>60157462
It would be okay if it wouldn't be ridiculously expensive.

>>60156361
False.
Premium category laptops are available from many other brands. There is nothing wrong with Dell Precision, HP EliteBook and whatnot.

Hell if anything ThinkPads went fucking downhill while the others kept their quality. (Saying that as a ThinkPad owner.)

And cheap laptops - will be always cheap. Lenovo, HP, Dell, Fujitsu - whatever. They all suck.