I'm sick of switching back and forth between desktop en

KDE is a flaming piece of cum covered garbage.

>>60059370
Agreed.

xfce is dank.

>>60059370
>>60059386
>>60059348
What's bad about KDE?

Yea you know I like the look of some of these DE's but I always find myself going back to xfce

For me, it just werks.

>>60059420
OP here. KDE is what I use day to day. It's my favorite of the bunch. However, my primary complaints against KDE are as follows:
The panel is coupled with Plasma desktop. Meaning, you cannot install just the panel and use it independently of Plasma desktop.
They removed tiling mode support.
Cannot have different virtual desktops per monitor.
Does not remember multi-monitor configurations.

>>60059568
Ah alright, so nothing I really intend to use. Fair enough.

>>60059639
Wait, except for multi-monitor stuff. I'm not sure what you're on about with that. I use two monitors and it always works fine. What exactly is the issue you've run into with that?

Be able to add arbitrary stuff to titlebar like client's cpu and memory usage and shit

>>60059348
global menu would be comfy

>>60059653
I have a laptop that I plug in to 2 external monitors at work. It does not remember which monitor is which and I have to swap the ports to get KDE to position them correctly. OSX with all the exact same hardware can remember which monitor is which regardless of which ports they are plugged in.

>>60059661
This is something you could do in KDE in it's current state. You can create widgets which can run on the desktop or be added to the panel. There is probably one that has cpu and memory info in it already. I intend to also have a widget based panel like KDE in my desktop environment.

>>60059703
Global menu is probably going to be tricky. KDE supports global menu for Qt applications. However, GTK does not play nice with it. It would probably take a lot of research to determine the best way to build a global menu so that it supports Qt and GTK and also leaves itself open to support other window toolkits in the future.

>>60059789
>>60059661
Oops nevermind, I didn't realize you said titlebar. I'll have to think about that. That may be do-able.

>>60059348
>Discuss what you think the perfect DE would be
Unity. But with CCSM better integrated into the normal OS settings panels, and with more clarity around what causes the dash to index some data files and not others.

>>60059420
BUGS
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>>60059816
I didn't use Unity much. Can you list the features you like about it? What is CCSM?

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>>60059845
Unity is so good. Here are some things I like:
1. Stable. I had too many issues with broken shit in KDE, even adding the search box mod to the menu would cause random DE crashes. A DE with no search box is useless to me.
2. A fairly complete set of keyboard shortcuts configured by default.
3. A polished and functional dash and panel that makes it easy to 'pin' shortcuts and easy to do a text search for applications and even files.
4. CCSM is the optional control panel for configuring the 'compiz' functionality of Unity. Lets you turn off animations and configure all kinds of random shit, including more keyboard shortcuts.

>>60059889
>search box mod
>A DE with no search box is useless to me
Can you elaborate on this point? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "search box".

>>60059348
>Discuss what you think the perfect DE would be.
Making a DE is a mistake to begin with. All you need is a window manager.

>>60059969
What's the point of a window manager if you don't actually use any applications in it?

>>60059993
I do, of course. Running Emacs has nothing to do with a DE.

>>60059348
>Discuss what you think the perfect DE would be.
It's called Cinnamon.

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>>60059348
Nigga if you want looks check box-look.org https://www.box-look.org/browse/cat/117/ord/latest/

Pic related

>>60059348
looks like your're not aware MATE exists friend

still kudos on your project

>>60059960
Search box is where you type to search for the application you want. Windows has it, Unity has it, and it's been awhile since I used KDE, but I believe you have to actually go in and select to add it in KDE.

So for instance, I have some programs I don't use often enough to put in my toolbar. I hit meta and then i type eg. 'thunderbird' and hit enter. It's way faster than having to navigate folders in a menu.

>>60059348
>probably Qt because fuck GTK devs
Then why not help lxqt development instead of making something new that no one will use and you're going to lose interest in couple of months at best?

>>60060524
>it's been awhile since I used KDE, but I believe you have to actually go in and select to add it in KDE.
alt-f2 on older versions or alt-space on newer versions launches krunner which does exactly what you are describing. This has been in KDE for many years. It's actually coupled with plasma desktop, which is one of the things that bothers me.

>>60060559
>literally just LXDE with qt-compiled binaries
No thank you. I'm not looking to use yet another shitty no-features DE. I'd rather join the KDE dev team then do that.

>>60060568
That's like saying it's ctrl+alt+t in gnome. Sure I can open a fucking terminal and type in my command name and hit enter. That is not the full functionality of a good application search.

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>>60060582
What are you talking about? KRunner is highly configurable and can do a lot more than that. Pic related. In addition to that, there are a wide variety of third party plugins for even more functionality.

>>60060582
OK i just pulled up a video of krunner. It's better than what I was thinking. Still it's retarded to have it assigned to alt+f2 or even alt+space. It should be integrated with the k-menu or whatever KDE's start menu equivalent is.

>>60060622
>Still it's retarded to have it assigned to alt+f2 or even alt+space. It should be integrated with the k-menu or whatever KDE's start menu equivalent is.
I disagree. I literally do not use the KDE application launcher. Also, there is more than one application launcher. The application launcher is just a widget you add to the panel. I choose to forego that widget, but still use krunner regularly.

>>60060645
Honestly I used to think KDE was the best, but they lost me at about 4.3 when I got tired of waiting for them to fix all the shit they broke with 4.0.

Even then 3.5 was not as stable as it might have been.

>>60060720
I still think KDE is the best, but it has some flaws and they waste too many dev cycles maintaining useless software like Konqueror. Unless they are going to make a Firefox or Chromium fork, they shouldn't waste their time on a web browser at all imo.

>>60060524
There how it works in kde as well. Meta and just start typing.

>>60059348
When my freelance webdev business got serious, I stopped fighting desktop Linux and bought an imac (after hackintoshing to test the waters). It's ridiculously overpriced but it's worth it for osx/macos. Everything 100% justwerks, the UI is fantastic, and I still have a full *nix base.

If you produce anything with your setup, I strongly recommend you consider the same.

>>60062393
>When my freelance webdev business got serious, I stopped fighting desktop Linux and bought an imac (after hackintoshing to test the waters). It's ridiculously overpriced but it's worth it for osx/macos. Everything 100% justwerks, the UI is fantastic, and I still have a full *nix base.
I hope you are trolling. I have a work issued macbook that I ran OSX on for 2 years before giving up on it and installing Arch Linux. KDE > Aqua.

>>60062409
Glad you found a setup that works well for you.

>>60062409
I know the feeling. OSX is the buggiest environment I've ever used. Bluetooth stack is shit. Window manager is shit. Compatibility with 3rd party peripherals is shit. I can't understand how people put up with it desu.

>>60059348
>* Bare Minimum Keyboard Shortcuts
>- Switch to desktop-N
As far as virtual desktops and their relevant keyboard shortcuts goes, you should take a hint from OS X and GNOME.

>keyboard shortcut to switch desktop left/right, or up/down
>automagically create a new desktop if there isn't one upon going right or down
>automagically remove a desktop upon leaving it with no open windows

Make it a toggle for those that prefer having static desktops, then take a hint from Xfce as well with a keyboard shortcut to create or remove a desktop.

>>60059348
Openbox and tint2 here. I am using two screens with it using probably xrandr but I adusted them in arandr. Once is with the hdmi and the other is through the vga. I don't have a graphics card just the onboard graphics on the cpu. It works alright. Has tint2 on both screens and starts up and shuts down fine with remembered settings. One of those, "i wonder if this will work" kind of moments. I'm out. Too tired. Just wanted to see how the anons are doing.

>>60059348
just make a qt based xfce with proper vsync. Hell even normal xfce with proper vsync would be enough for most people

>>60063480
this is correct

>>60059348
just use Budgie

>>60059348
I agree with you on one point, I hated chacging DEs too. Then I tried MATE and never looked back. It's not the prettiest of the bunch, but I'll take stability over eye candy any day of the fucking week.

>>60059348
>Good DE
Visually appealing
Easy customization
File picker with thumbnails
Seamless FTP/SMB integration
File manager that doesn't crash
Friendly control panel
Native VNC support
Smartphone connect
Addons Widgets
Advance setting manager

So it should be
>QT
>POSIX
>Support Non-free software
>Drop wayland

>>60059568
>Does not remember multi-monitor configurations.
it does. it's an old bug that was fixed in plasma 5.8 (or was it qt 5.8? I don't recall - either way it works now).

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>>60059370
KDE is the only DE that support wacom button configuration OOTB.

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>Muh XFCE
1. No real control
2. Broken thunar
3. Out-dated plug-ins
4. Conflict with Xorg
5. Font rendering

Its a CLI until it needs X and then has floating X windows over the cli with no panels or anythijg atupid like that

>>60059420
it's still ugly and has way too many effects