MX-4 thermal paste damaged one of the contact heatpipes on my

How the fuck did thermal paste dent the copper?

There was probably a fucking cheeto in the way and you just caveman'd the fucking thing into place.

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>>59936189
nother picturr

>>59936218
liquid substance heats up
liquid substance becomes gas
heated gas expands and has no way out and applies substantial pressure to area
the weakest point of contact then gives way to said pressure
thus le copper is dented

>>59936189
>this paste dented my heatpipe

No, you dropped the heatsink on the chip's heat-spreader during an installation.

Copper does not buckle from heat stress at anything close to 100C.

>>59936253
Gas pressure, it's real. Seen it before.

>>59936253
>you dropped the heatsink
no, i did not.
copper is far from being a strong metal. especially the thinshit they use as heatpipes..

>>59936242
That's not how that works.

>>59936292
Wrong, it can even crack exposed CPU dies

>>59936189
I doubt that this small dent is going to give you noticeably worse performance, any attempt to replace it will require far more effort than it is worth.

>>59936281
No, the heatpipe did not form a localised air-tight seal against the heat-spreader. No, a copper pipe is not the path of least resistance for any heated gas to escape.

I'll say this again; you dinged the heatsink.

>Seen it before.
Yes, many people are clumsy fucks like you.

>>59936242
thermal paste needs alot more heat to boil.

>>59936322
I'm not him. You are wrong though:

>>59936345
There is no way the cpu can heat up mx-4 hot enough for it to be turned into a gas.

>>59936324
>I didn't even bother reading OPs post but I still have to post in this thread
...

>>59936364
see
>>59936368

>>59936305
>cpu dies crack because of expanding gases
No, they crack due to thermal stress.

>>59936288
>copper is far from being a strong metal. especially the thinshit they use as heatpipes
Yes, which is how the bump YOU GAVE IT left an indent so easily.

>>59936189
That is literally not possible

>>59936386
>No, they crack due to thermal stress.
Kek, you are literally opposite-day

>>59936387
explain it then.
cause i literally never dropped it. and the dent wasn't there until after applying new drop of mx-4 and stressing the shit out of a crappy old athlon.

>>59936386
>i'm new to this
also
>projection

>>59936409
The watery substance is some sort of oil. It requires 300 C to start to boil.

would a bead of solder work ?
then sand the bead down

just lap it lol

>>59936383
>durr, there was separation/condensate in the MX-4

You would have to be running a core chip temperature of over 100C to create steam on the heat spreader.

Then, the water would have to vaporise, despite being in contact with the spreader, the surrounding thermal paste, and the heat-sink.

Then, the path of least resistance for the resulting pressure would have to be bending a copper heatpipe, rather than simply blowing by the weak fluid seal of the surrounding thermal paste.

OP bumped his heatsink.

>>59936189
>watery substance

The liquid separated from the rest of the thermal compound. This happens to nearly every thermal compound. Store the syringe with the nozzle pointing down so that the watery part of the compound settles on top of the rest of the compound.

The dent is on the edge, where it has little impact on heat transfer. Most of the heat is transferred where the die contacts the heatsink.

You can't prove how the heatsink became dented, so you have no grounds for reimbursement.

>>59936409
That's quite clearly an indentation. There's no way thermal paste could damage your heatsink like that.

Don't be such a shitty person OP. If you accidentally dropped your 212 just buy a new one... they're literally 25/30 bucks.

>>59936189
Why didn't the thermal shut-off work if it did boiled the thermal goop?

>>59936405
No, I'm literally a mechanical engineer who literally designs HVAC components for literal cruise ships.

OP did not dent his heatsink with steam. Didn't happen.

>>59936470
i'll stop spreading factual information (which somehow makes me a shitty person) when you stop sucking dick.

>>59936521
>phasechange components are totally the same as thin as shit cheap as all fuck computer heatsinks
wow look at that, you're a total retard on the internet.

This has to be bait.

>>59936242
There is no fucking way the pressure can built up to the point of denting solid copper like that, the gases would escape through the gap between the heatpipe and the CPU much sooner.

Not only that, but unless you applied a fucking centimetre of thermal paste, the amount of gas produced by that allegedly watery liquid residue would be negligible.

To sum up, are you retarded?

>>59936470
>If you accidentally dropped your 212 just buy a new one...
A pane of glass for a relatively flac surface, 600 grit paper wet at first, then handlap with 2000 grit paper (wet) in a figure of eight.


No need to buy extra money.
preload springs on the mounts should take compensate for the material you took off.

>>59936503
hotspots on the cpu don't show if they aren't near any thermal sensors.

>>59936548
>solid copper
you realize they are PIPES with air in them? they're hollow. and extremely thin. copper is already a weak metal.

>>59936551
>No need to buy extra money.
lol
thank you for a response that isn't bait/poojeet tier stupidity.

>>59936563
Your dick is extremely thin and weak, copper is not.

>>59936563
>weak
weak no, ductile yes.

op, show the lid for the processor too.

>>59936435
>>59936468
The watery substance is probably some sort of silicon oil. 200-300C is around the temperature an oil will start to boil. I highly doubt it could get that hot. The indentation looks like it was created by a sharp point unlike pressure.

>>59936592
don't have a photo of it and it's currently in use.
i didn't notice any dents or marks on it.

>>59936589
is there anything in life which doesn't make your faggot self think of cocks?

>>59936522
You're not spreading factual information. And even if you where, that wouldn't be why i consider you a shitty person.

Clearly you accidentally dropped or dinged the 212 against something leaving that dent (and probably also the deep scratches to the right of it). And the first thing you do is try to lie in an effort to get it replaced. That's the shitty person part.

Regardless to any of this, i'd highly wager that a small dent like that would ruin the entire heatsink. Unless the dent has actually formed a bulge on one side that would lift the rest of the heatsink of the cpu.

>>59936189
holy shit you are retarded

>>59936542
Yes, because I qualified as an engineer by solely studying phase-change systems.

>>59936620
>i didn't notice any dents or marks on it.
Then I doubt it's steam that caused it.

Just imagine the conversation between Arctic employees when they receive the email from OP

>Your MX-4 thermal paste dented my heatsink...
Wait, what?
>...because it started boiling and the pressure...
HAHAHAHAHAHA THIS CAN'T BE REAL HAHAHA Tom you have to see this
HAHAHAHAHA

>>59936674
>heatsink is fine before application
>post application and removal of heatsink indentation is apparent
gee bill it sure it hard to assume it was the TIM that caused it...

>>59936189
OP is wrong. Everyone is ignoring the fact that the heat is not going to be that extreme, comparatively, on the edge where the dent is.

You can also see other scratches around that area on the heatsink, non horizontal ones, it's obvious OP treated the heatsink like shit.

>>59936698
not only that but if you have half a brain you can figure that the softest part is the paste itself so the pressure build up would find a path through the paste before denting the copper

>>59936694
>heatsink is fine before application
>post application and removal of heatsink indentation is apparent
>yep, it must be silicon oil boiling 200 degrees below the usual temperature
>in no way I'm a retarded and dented it during application

http://www.culinarylore.com/food-science:how-hot-before-cooking-oil-ignites

>>59936698
i thought that was weird too but the scratches were always there, likely from the factory lapping it gets

>>59936711
the paste seals it, especially with the pressure 5 screws put on it. it's really not hard to believe it caused an indent. especially when it looks almost burnt

>>59936755
pressure builds up and the point of failure is the weakest part which is the paste you fucking retard, before denting the copper it would push a path through the paste

>>59936734
>>59936726
>they claim to know the specific elements and their subsequent properties of the substance after long periods of idling
wow you must be some sort of wizard or sumfin aren't ya?

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>>59936770
this is from a different mx-4, and different heatsink
and different cpu.
clearly it does evaporate.
although it also does fit your theory that it would escape through the paste
this heatsink has far less mounting pressure.

>>59936223
>>59936189
You used a screwdriver to pry it off the chip. Jesus Christ you are Jewish.

>>59936772
You do realize that long periods of idling does literally nothing but to separate the individual component which were already there by density, right?

>>59936794
>clearly it does evaporate.
>claims to know the specific elements and their subsequent properties of the substance after long periods of idling
wow you must be some sort of wizard or sumfin aren't ya?

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>>59936242
Are you fucking retarded

>>59936305
Wow lmaoing @ ur life

>>59936804
lmao, this thermal paste doesn't harden even though it creates a nice tight seal.

>>59936563
So copper is actually weaker and softer than paste according to you?

>>59936850
Surface tension between two flat surfaces and a liquid is a mighty force.
Plus you can even see the scratching leading to the dint.

>>59936812
you realize this seperation can have a drastic effect on the elements properties?
notice how uranium don't go boom when processed for reactors, whereas when their atoms are combined with a different substance they can cause a chain reaction, splitting other atoms making it go booom?

>>59936869
weaker than the seal made by 5 screws, i'd assume.

>>59936563
yeah and since the air is sealed inside it's an opposing pressure from inside, thus supporting the copper tube, even more since it heats up and expands, putting pressure from inside out

This, people, is why we twist the CPU off the cooler instead of hammering it off with a screwdriver or so.

>>59936873
and of all the other scratches, what do you make of those?
no way could the factory lapping have caused those...
no way could it be a coincidence that those scratches weren't the cause of the dent after the lapping weakend it already?

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>>59936894
>notice how uranium don't go boom when processed for reactors, whereas when their atoms are combined with a different substance they can cause a chain reaction, splitting other atoms making it go booom?

This is the most retarded post I've ever seen, congratulations.

>>59936922
>brain can't into metaphores
poor widdle baby needs picture books to explain simplistic ideas. i pity you sir.

>>59936912
They're fresh. little oxide layer. Also not perpendicular to the lapping. And are of a different 'grit'.
Your not getting shit out of this OP.

>>59936941
i already got the information from this thread that i needed.
you're the faggot shitposter trying to argue moot points based off of fallacies and fantasies
>hurr durr he dropt it
>hurr durr he used a screw to pry it off!
provide some facts or fuckoff already.

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pretty sure that if radial pressure started building up in the thermal paste, it would push a path through the paste before denting shit

also the gas inside the copper pipe is also heated up, so it's creating opposing pressure

okay OP why don't heatsinks explode when heated up?

kill yourself op

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>>59936189

ITT:

This is the most retarded thread on 4chan right now. And, that includes all of /pol/ and /b/.

Holy fucking shit. I'm just losing it. thank you for making me laugh until I hurt, OP. I hope that the people who have to cope with you every day are equally as amused.

retarded nigger dropped his shit on accident

get a better cooler than the 212+ you idiot it's old enough to be in first grade by now

>>59936189

The tech support call for this is going to be one for the ages.

Dear God, I wish it would get recorded and upped somewhere where we could all listen in. I feel sorry for the poor fucker who has to take this call. I hope he doesn't an hero the entire workplace.

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>>59937145
y r u so mad faggot?
>>59937058
is that a serious question? why am i responding to this faggotry..

>>59937172
and you just had to be apart of it :^)

>>59937204
i most certainly did not.

>>59937244
obviously you did because the notion that thermal paste dented your shitty cheap copper tubing is hilarious and shows just how retarded /g/ is

>>59937244
yes it's a serious question, pressure builds up in a copper pipe since the gas expands and a tube is weaker from the inside than outside

>>59937265
because oxygen requires a shitton more heat than the random substances inside a tube of TIM.

>>59937244
happened right around that bar code, something tells me there was a reaction of some sort, but eh who really cares.

>>59937294
what substance in the paste expands more from heat than air?

>>59937311
i don't know, i don't work for arctic.

>>59937406
yeah and you are also retarded

>>59937416
tell me why are you here?
you don't know why?
but you're here regardless.
kind of like my dented heatpipe, no one knows why.
i know the turn of events that lead to it occuring, yet figuring out precisely why is outside my grasp.

so i ask the fine folk here for a conclusion
but all you can do is tell me to kill myself, even when others with actual experience in the matter tell you my assumptions are possible.

neat.

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>>59936941

>>59937457
Stop denting your heatsink with your nose, Pinocchio

>>59937497
>if i repeat myself enough times, it'll be true!

Dear diary, today OP was dumber than ever.

OP, you either hit it with the tool while disassembling it, or you dented it when putting it back. The "pressure" caused by expanding oil in paste is much less than the pressure from blowing with your mouth. Your theory is ridiculous. You hit it at some time. Accidents happen. Buy a new one

>>59938058
you were hit on the head as a babybabies get dropped all the time.
your theory is ridiculous.
buy a new brain.

>>59936189
OP you fucked up at so many points I stopped counting them at googolplex.
The first one was buying Coolshit!

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>>59936189
>Buys AMD
>Need reimbursement for a 25 dollar CPU cooler
oh shit man too funny

He's trolling nobody is stupid enough to believe that thermal paste evaporates when you heat it, let alone that pressure would build somewhere that isn't closed.

>>59942004
I just noticed he bought AMD, I take that back.

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>>59942031
Couldn't you go somewhere else shill?

>>59936189
>pretty sure there was some weird watery substance

Stop cumming on your hardware anon.

>>59940932
lol
>>59941014
i care about my shekels mr.

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>>59942750
>my shekels

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>>59943501
I remember that episode

If anyone still watches "The Goyim show" after seeing that, then the only way they'll learn is through force.

Chinks grinded too much from heatsink base and paper-thin heat tube wall dented from as much as a bad glance. I've seen that happen before, except retard did it himself for muh shorter thermal path and the tube actually burst through.

>>59936409
Maybe a dried and hardened piece of thermal paste came out of the tube and caused the dent?

>>59936674
>yfw they will actually replace him a new one cause dumb OP would actually fight his cause to death
LOL

>>59944190
HUZZAH!!!

>>59944108
didn't notice any apparent solids. unless it was hidden by normal goo
i did notice a rather viscous substance though