/wt/ watch thread

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Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

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>first for Omega Speedy Pro

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/65d7zo/omega_well_reddit_i_fed_up_anyone_have/

>>59896542
kek
Some people are truly retarded

>>59896542
Isn't this speedy a super expensive special edition too?

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This watch is overrated

>2019
>50 year anniversary of moon landing
>Omega release special edition speedmaster
>Valjoux 7750 shitter with meme "exotic" materials like black ceramic and meteorite metal

How shook are you?

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>>59896542
>In my 10 years of working on watches, I've never seen someone scratch a sapphire crystal. Good job mate.

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Why aren't watches cool anymore like they were in the 70s?

>>59896542
This is exactly why I always wore cheap shit (sunglasses, watches, shoes, etc) when I was a raging alcoholic

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I've decided to start collecting 1000euro+ vintage watches.

Which ones should I buy first? I'm aiming to buy one a month. This month I have 1500-2000 to spare.

They should be between 34mm and 36mm in size.

>>59896832
You're gonna buy 12 watches a year?

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>>59896859

10-12

>>59896832
If you don't even know what to buy you're either going to get scammed or buy shitters
Read a fucking LOT first

>>59896598

concur

it hits a nice price/quality point for most thirty-something single professionals. If you can't afford a Rolex, get an Omega.

>>59896374
Nice fukn Connie m9.

>>59896832
Omega pie-pan constellations

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>>59896791
Tell me about it. Production watches in particular have largely declined since the 1970s.

>>59896832
Start researching vintage Omega models with the 56x or 75x movement and once you are familiar enough with them to be able to accurately identify originality, condition and price on your own then buy one. They are one of the greatest series produced watches of all time.

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>>59896520
>20th for Omega Constellation

>>59897255
>one of the greatest series produced watches of all time.
Hell yeah

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How much should this cost?

>>59897272
Pre-Swatch Omega had such fucking sexy movement designs. That thing is a masterpiece. What a fucking tragedy befell Omega under the Swatch Group.

>>59897355
They were already cheaping out on shit before swatch though, for example the massive downgrade from 321 to 861 in the speedy pro in the 70s.

>>59897372
As far as I understand, Omega started value engineering desperately as they were in financial trouble in the mid to late 1970s. If they hadn't been in such dire financial straights, they probably wouldn't have resorted to cost cutting their movements as they did.

In any case, the real loss from their absorption into the Swatch Group was the loss of their institutional knowledge and approach to movement making of one of the greatest production movement designers of all time.

Got this today

AQS800WD-1EV Slim Solar Multi-Function Analog-Digital Watch

I was wondering whether a leather strap would look good

>>59897592
>non standard lugs

Good luck m8. Getting a strap made which will fit will probably cost more than the watch itself.

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>>59897592
It won't. The watch has hooded lugs (meaning the space between the metal lugs that hold the strap is covered over in metal) and watches with hooded lugs usually don't look good on leather straps.

>>59897666
>>59897630

Then are there any Casios or other solar watches that can work with a leather?

I hope to get one once I am out of poverty tier.

Update: My £25 solar powered watch is working now despite me autistically raging because a new battery was £50.

Turns out it doesn't need a new battery at all and the previous owner was a moron or something. A day out in the sun fixed it.

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>>59897780

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>>59897706
I wouldn't put it on leather because it's a dive watch but the Casio Men's MDV106-1AV appears to be the only solar, analog Casio below $50 that doesn't look like hot steaming garbage, so I would recommend that.

>>59897666
you can get one like this but that will add cost to a cheap watch
>>59897706
for 40 bucks I don't know, seikos and citizens are a little more, maybe a used one. I don't see a great reason for solar anyway changing the battery is not a big deal.

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>>59897949
the strap

Thinking of buying the new Seiko Astron SSE109JI for my bf. What do you guys think about that model?

>>59898054
Good choice will feel good when you're fisting his arse.

>>59898054
>$2000

For that much you should get a 9F grand seiko instead.

>>59898054
it's really big, ugly and expensive

>>59898148
I liked the pictures I saw desu, didnt see it in real life yet. Is it that big?

>>59898197
>45mm diameter

Yes, yes it is.

>>59898054
If he's big, it's a really great watch.

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>>59896627
>not using scrap pieces of the apollo 11 rocket

>>59899337
>not even Russian movements, just some trendy Kickstarter shit that will arbitrarily double in price once the campaign ends

>>59899887
I found a company selling meteorite dial watches with miyota 9015s in them for 750$ or something a while back

>>59896542
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/65d7zo/omega_well_reddit_i_fed_up_anyone_have/

>People think sapphire crystals can only be scratched with diamond. Jesus fuck these cunts are dumb.

When will we have 35mm watches again? I know there are 35mm watches but we don't get a lot of the really good designs in that size. 40mm is just gigantic.

>>59897943
it's not solar though is it

>>59900083
that meme is spread a lot, you see it in like ebay listings from asia and stuff

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I want to trade this for a steinhart military vintage. Anybody interested?

>>59900365
why?

>>59900365
I lurk these threads and never post (in fact that pic is from an ebay listing if you reverse image search, but I have the very same one, in the same condition)

I figure before I go thru the trouble of making an account on watchuseek or some other forum, I'd offer it to someone here who has interest. I really want a steinhart or something very similar in return though. (will use cock.li for contact if you're interested)

>>59900393
It is too big for my wrist. Also, for the other reason above.

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>>59899906
Too bad the printing is so pitiful that it's going to waste.

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>>59899337
I'm not even sure the Soyuz first stage boosters even reach suborbital trajectory, just higher atmosphere. Unless it breaks the Kármán-line it hasn't been to space.

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Last bit of self promotion. I will post on the public forums tomorrow if nobody shows interest.

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>>59900530
Too stupid to not post this pic.

>>59900596
I was thinking about this as well. Hardly "space"born.

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>>59900607
I'd be interested if it weren't so fucking thicc.

>>59900607
its certainly THICKK

good luck but I don't think you will get a bite here.

but given the msrp difference I don't doubt you'll find some poor sap on public watch forums

>>59900632
>>59900619
heheh. I'm hoping the price difference catches some fatso's eye. It is a big piece. But a really sharp piece, nonetheless.

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Good morning /wt/

>>59900752
Are you trolling me? Want to trade that for the Oris posted above? You have chubby wrists..the Steinhart is too small for you.

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Tudor should be made with 904 stainless steel.

It's far too easy to deeply ding and scratch 316 stainless.

There's certainly something to be said about tegimented steel, ice-hardened steel, and 904 stainless.

Why are watchfags always such huge snobs?

>>59897352
+$500

>>59900978
not all lmao just rolexfags LOOK AT ME HAVE CASH HAHAHAH

>>59900962
>too small for you
It's a perfect fit nigga

Yes I'm a bit on the larger side, but that's irrelevant.

And no, I don't want to trade sorry m8.

Put that Oris of yours up for sale or some shit, even if you only get $150 out of it, that's nearly half the price of an OVM.

>>59900968
does 904 actually make a noticeable difference?

>>59900988
What are you talking about this thread is one of the most snobbish on 4chan. If you don't buy a watch with an in house movement you 100% get looked down on.

>>59901040
don't confuse shitposts and banter with 'meaningful' 'discussion'

In the end, so long as it's not a pure dogshit mall-brand like Tag Hueueueuer or Fossil, they're fine.

>>59901040
That's not true. There are droves of Casio 'terrorist' fans in these threads. Unironically, as they damn well should be. It's a good digital.

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>>59901040
what was he attempt to convey by this?

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>>59901040
> in house movement
Shut up and take the banter like a man.

>>59901066
that's an in-house movement though

>>59901031
Rolex uses it, and Rolex owners typically comment on how durable their watches are, after years and years of abuse.

Speaking of digital have you guys seen this?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07gCEduNwts


Seems like if you have to measure something in 100s of a second you will get shafted since the display skips numbers.

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>>59900365


>wanting steinshit

>>59901149
yeah that doesn't mean shit

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Reminder r/watches has PATEKS

When was the last time /wt/ had a Patek huh?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/65cmvf/patek_philippe_my_grandfathers_1960s_patek/

>>59901095
Alright. So you're saying terrorist owners are "looking down" on people? Maybe you're just fucking retarded, dude. Ever consider that?

>>59901203
Because people in these threads are too poor for real watches they had to invent a different way to look down on people and create their own little circlejerk. It's not hard to understand.

>>59901193
It sorta does.

Not many things get to go into space, but most things that do are made from a select range of materials. 904L is certified for spacetravel.
It's also one of the key materials used in high grade machinery due to it's chemical and corrosion resistant properties (Even more so than 316L) as well as the improved ability to resist stresses that would otherwise erode the metals.

>>59901197
>mom and pops gave me expensive watch
Wopty fucking do

>>59901197
You're familiar with Lawyer Anon, right?

>>59901197
>not a modern Patek
Bitch those are somewhat affordable now

And lawyeranon has an A. Lange & Söhne and a F.P. Journe more expensive than that. (And better.)

>>59901212
I think you've got some misguided hate, anon. Maybe consider going to bed.

>>59901231
And the 18k Bullhead

Shit. Someone needs to post his pic.

>>59900365
bro keep the oris

Steinsharts are shit

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>>59901245
Sure.

>>59901246
>>59901167
What is a better trade idea, then? I'm open to suggestions, obviously. I'm not opposed to keeping the Oris for a while, but it really is vulgar-looking on my wrist.

>>59901255
Maybe it's just sour grapes because I could never afford it but I'm not sure I'd want that many watches even if I could. Seems a bit overkill.

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>>59901221
>>59901231
Yeah I'm just fucking with you guys.
I'm just missing lawyerfag and I'm craving some close ups of his beauties.

Until then we have to deal with fatman steinshart and fatman plaidseiko

>>59901278
don't listen to that wretched homosexual

there's nothing wrong with steinharts. get on a watch forum and trade it.

>>59901280
He claims that most of his collection is in his safety deposit boxes. This is but a snippet that we see.

>>59901287
Oh come on now nigga, I ain't that fat.

>>59900983

Just bought it for 350euro on a local craigslist type site

>>59901287
Plenty of people have Rolexes and Omegas who come here. Just no Pateks.

>>59901306
very nice,just open the case and make sure you got the right mechanism .603 cal or similar

>>59901290
This is probably true, as he has also posted at least five more -to my knowledge- watches that aren't in that pic.

>>59901350
Well, we know he has a Speedy, I'm not seeing that in the pic.

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>>59901288

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfUQasmUFY

Steinshits are a fucking ripoff. They are $400 homages with fucking ETA's in it. For $400 you could get a fucking SKX and a night of strippers and drinks.

If you're going to buy a low end ETA based watch you might as fucking well go get a Hamilton King Khaki second hand or something that makes you not look like a fucking retard because it atleast has a somewhat original element to it.

TGV got rid of the one or two he had like instantly because even with his shitty fucking taste it's embarrassing to own. It serves no purpose other than trying to make people think you have a Rolex. Look at the obese manchild who owns one in this thread and every thread. His fat wrists look ridiculous with a copypasta watch on it. Nobody is fooled.

Fuck look in this thread, >>59897352
got an Omega for 350 euros that if he cleans up is a killer watch.

Viral Shilling is real, for all the fucking morons that come through /wt/ I couldn't honestly believe that someone would willingly encourage another poster here to get steinshit without getting paid to do so.

>>59901375
It's in there. Second row, third from right to left.

Others missing:
Rolex Milgauss
Gerald Genta Arena Biretro
Tudor Black Bay Bronze
Accutron Spaceview
Ressence Type 1

>>59901460
Oris poster here. I wish you'd replied to me instead of the poor chap that had to endure your autism...but I digress.

Do you have a suggestion for me? I want to trade for something ~400-500 USD as that is what the watch is worth in its current condition (serviced last year, I'm the 2nd owner, minor scratches, see shitty phone pic)

>>59901490
Oh shit. So it is.

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>>59901542
>>59901460
forgot pic

>>59901460
>They are $400 homages with fucking ETA's in it. For $400 you could get a fucking SKX

>OVM
>Elaboré 2824
>+/-7s/day on wrist

>SKX
>6R15
>+/-20s/day on wrist

>BUGHBUHBUHBUHBHUBHUBHU, GET A TURTLE!
>$800
>still worse movement
Nice meme.

>That video
>2 of "5" (Only ever lists 4) "BECAUSE I SAID SO"

Seen as you're such an expert, feel free to post a watch that has;
>300m WR
>Comparable/better movement
>$400 pricetag
Go on.
I'll wait.

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>>59901460
I intend to purchase a SELLITA shitter thank you very much

While we're on the subject of Archie, can't believe I'd never seen this before. Top lel, TGV and Federico absolutely blown the fuck out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlroazHIESc

>>59901582
>ratings are indicative of actual accuracy

nah my seiko 5 has never been worse than +5 a day and that's leaving it crown down overnight

if steinhart is going to rip off rolex the least they can do is get the size right.

There is definitely something to be said about steinhart's value proposition but in Steinhart's case it just makes me wonder what corners they are actually cutting

I am not usually one actively shitting on steinhart but I also wouldn't buy one unless there was a crazy deal on the vintage military style one.

I also was under the impression that they used a basic grade ETA 2824 but I guess I could be wrong

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>tfw my friend just sent me a snap of his new Tissot

He's so insecure I have to tell him "great purchase dude!" or else he'll think I'm ripping him personally

>>59901809
what tissot?

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>>59901016
>Yes I'm a bit on the larger side, but that's irrelevant.

>>59901809
A friend of mine bought GUESS and I tried to tell him gently that he made a mistake that here are good watches out there for not much money but he wouldn't hear it.
I stopped talking to him not too long after that.

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Alright, update on my Cosmotron for anyone caring. The Jap seller listed it as non-working, I dropped in a new LR44 and it started. Fucking. IMMEDIATELY!

I'll still service it though since it's still almost a memenical, and also because Citizen claimed these are capable of chronometer accuracy. Which makes sense since it's 36000bph and isochronism issues related to the mainspring is eliminated by not having one at all.

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Show me your viscous, nasty shitters

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>>59901818
It wasn't this but I'm trying to find something similar based on where I think he bought it
I hope it wasn't a quartz

He owns one fossil and a tommy hilfiger watch

Look they make great shirts but.. how do I explain to him they don't make good watches

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>>59901903
It's somewhere in my house but J haven't looked very hard

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>>59901837
My girlfriend bought a vintage Suwa instead of a Daini. I beat her and raped her to death.

My mother bought a black Neptune because she "didn't like the green one". I put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.

>>59901918
is he into guns? tell him Smith and Wesson make fine firearms but stick their name on shitty chinky chinese pocket knives to make a buck and fools buy them based on the assumption that they are actually made to good quality and by Smith and Wesson themselves.

you can also try and get him to open the case and find the quartz movement model number and look it up on ebay.

>>59901937
my son came home wearing a Michael Kors and now he has no home and is not my son

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>>59901937
Funny,but my friend is a "graphical designer" by profession and makes shit like pic related so one would image he would know better.

>>59901957
nah he lives in aussie mate. I think I need to wow him with a proper watch before he'll be convinced, right now my best watch is a ray II and in his mind "more money = more quality"

>>59901987
Tissot is at least a step in the right direction, introduce him to automatic, you can show him the orient and say "see the applied indeces and how bright the lume gets, these little touches add a lot to the value of a watch, its not always about what you spent on a watch, but what the MAKER spent making the watch, including thought and time"

>>59901937

I HATE EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT THE NEPTUNE BECAUSE I COULDN'T BUY ONE AT THE TIME AND NOW THEY'RE ON EBAY FOR 5 TIMES THE PRICE

>>59901976
>my wifes son came home wearing a Michael Kors
Fixed it for you

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>>59901903
At this point. After 4 years I don't even know why I still have this watch. Hate it so much.

>>59901983
Let me tell you, my school has engineering programs, IT/compsci programs, and a graphic arts program (among others), and the GA students have absolutely no concept of design, its all aesthetics. The engineers tend to have great understanding of design and appreciate aesthetics in the things they buy (not the things they make though, usually), and the IT folk tend to have to have an understanding of both (though often fail at one or the other, depending on the student)

>>59902059
I don't have a wife either, she came home the other day wearing a skagen

whats a good watch for like $20?
I can't justify spending $30+ on a watch because I can't afford to feed myself, but i want to know the time.

sent from my local library.

>>59902112
casio LW201

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>>59902077
Yeah aesthetically is a work of art.
Just rubs me the wrong way to do nothing of substance in life as a profession and fail to appreciate the real things.
This translates in other aspects of living so I drifted away from him even though I knew him since first grade.

HOMOS is never going to be good. The movements are nearly meaningless; a movement is not a watch, just as a stove is not a restaurant and a jet engine is not an airline.

HOMOS is completely asleep at the wheel on design and deserves to die for it. All indications are that they will in fact soon die for their negligence. Nothing of value is at risk so it is not sad.

>>59902152
Shhh... Don't mention it's name. That gay dude that's always lurking this thread will sperg out and post why thay brand is actually good because they figured out how to use CNC machines.

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>>59901582

Not any of the previous guys. How do other microbrands rank against each other? They all use either the eta 2824 or selitta sw200 or stp1-11 movements and at minimum come with a sapphire crystal. They are all cased in China though and my worry is that spare parts 10 for the hands or dial or case is going to be a problem.

Pic related. I am looking at this model from another microbrand but it cost slightly more at 450usd.

>>59902145
I guess art doesn't strictly have to look good to be art

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>>59902047
>the only brands that actually increase in value are Rolex and Vostok
How can TAG and Omega fags recover?

>>59902181

The ideal fate for HOMOS is likely already in motion: a quiet purchase by a Chinese shell company, with the actual date of acquisition carefully concealed. Once the news is definitely known, it will be too difficult to determine when it actually occurred, and several years of HOMOS "history" will be totally overshadowed by the question.

If all goes well, the Chinese buyers will have a ready-made child pornography set-up to wipe out the HOMOS "designers" who have committed such horrible crimes against the city of Glasshütte and they will spend the rest of their lives in prison.

>>59902220
They're probably all made in the same 1 or 2 factories in China lad, that's how these things tend to work. Each pretty much the same as one another.

>>59902220
many microbrands use miyota actually. People are fond of the memesplorer II around her. I like the look of the NTH subs but I think they cost too much.

My only microbrand is a Bernhardt and I wouldn't buy another one, it's case and bracelet seem good but the movement is kinda bad, it has fake end-links and I hear their bezels on their divers are tinny

>>59902224
lots of Seikos cost way more than they should and way more than they did new

>>59902267
>>59902224

There is no reason to believe that Seiko, Rolex, or Vostok pieces will increase in value.

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is it bad that I almost like this?

>>59902282

Yes. If you want an Apple Watch you should buy an Apple Watch. At least you know that an Apple Watch will be historically significant and aesthetically influential. What you posted is neither.

>>59902267
Yeah, try getting a 6105 diver for what it's actually worth.

>>59902277
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Watch-Amphibian-Watch-Vostok-Neptune-Diver-GREEN-DIAL-Serviced-/401273767414

>>59902282
Very early 90s.
I love it.

>>59902224
95% of Rolex and Vostok watches don't increase in value. You have to be very lucky to be one of the 5%.

>>59902292

There is no reason to believe that Seiko, Rolex, or Vostok pieces will increase in vaule.

>>59902277
except the empirical evidence that certain Rolex and Seiko pieces HAVE risen in value. certain trends are not hard to spot and have already started/happened for other watches such as Tudor chronographs, prince dates, Omega speedmaster automatics, Seiko aliens watches, vintage rolex gmt's, daytonas and milsubs,

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/wt/, I'm currently looking for 3 watches, a diver, a chink mechanical chronograph and a formal watch.
What do you think of these (shitter) options? Any additional recommendations?

1. Diver:
>Vostok Komandirskie (30€, needs a proper bracelet)
>Vostok Amphibia (50€, needs a proper bracelet)
>Seiko SKX007 (190€ plus 60€ for a proper bracelet)

2. ST19 chrono:
>Alpha Paul Newman (140€ + needs a proper bracelet)
>Seagull 1963 (270€)

3. Formal:
>Orient Bambino (130€)
>Tissot Visodate ETA shitter (350€)

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>>59902077
>graphic arts

In case you want to have a laff, here's this:

https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf

>>59902290
the orient looks nothing like an apple watch and the apple watch will be none of those things. People said the same thing about the first ipod and I've yet to see the cult following for that.

>>59902112
Casio F91W - $8
Casio A158W - $14

>>59902307

They are all good pieces and if they appeal to you then you should buy them. There is no reason to believe they should increase in value and therefore none of them qualifies as an investment at the present time.

>>59902321

I am strongly in favor of Orient but that particular piece is irrelevant.

Pure Class
Chuffed to bits
My wife
Squaaaaaaarlaaay

>>59902224
Poljot and Tudor too.

>>59902333

Omega, Rolex, Vostok, Seiko, Tag Heuer, Poljot, and Tudor share the very important characteristic that none of them presently qualifies as an investment, because none of them can reasonably be expected to increase in value.

>>59902309
Amphibia, handwinding is a plus compared to the SKX if you wear watches in rotation. Komandirskie is not really a diver, though the WR of them is severely understated.

Seagull, Alpha are serious shitters

Bambino, Tossit is Swatch poopoo

>>59902331
"a great workhorse movement"
"I'm wearing this X on a nato strap from this company that paid me to shill for them"

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>>59902309
1. Orient and microbrands have options in the price range for divers but I don't want to deter you from the Seiko if you like it

2. Unless you are overly attached to the idea of a mechanical chronograph, I would recommend looking at seiko mechaquartz such as the ssb031, it has a 5hz sweeping chrono seconds hand

3. I'm looking for this genre myself currently, top contenders are the seiko SARB033, Orient Star Classic, Hamilton Jazzmaster day-date, and the current front runner, the Oris Classic Date(pic related)

In case anyone is too autistic or too stupid to understand the situation, there are presently NO watches that qualify as investments. There are NO watches that can reasonably be expected to increase in price, with the possible exception of extremely competitive bargain-priced quartz watches in solid gold cases; that, however, is based on the extremely remote chance of a dramatic increase in the price of gold and is not connected to watch prices.

>>59902328
you are adding new goalposts to each of those arguments. Nobody said that watches were a good investment until you just brought it up, only that there are some that have increased or will increase in value, and that some are easier to predict

Likewise with the orient, no one said it is a history making watch that changes everything. I merely said it's design is unusual and I strangely kind of like it, a guilty pleasure if you will.

I feel that we have plenty of common ground with our opinions but you are focusing on the wrong things that other people are saying.

>>59902391

There is no difference between "likely to increase in value" and "qualifies as an investment". There are no watches today in this category other than the very small possibility regarding extreme bottom-end quartz watches in solid gold cases.

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>>59902309
The alpha is barely any more expensive than the movement on it's own. That says to me that the watch is made cheaply.

>>59902390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8mg9OAU7LE
Watches are generally not good investments, but you could treat them as investments if you want.

>>59902415

No, that is incorrect. There are no watch investments at the present time.

>>59902390
Lend me your crystal ball m8. You can't know that no modern watches will increase in value. Nor can you know which watches will actually increase in value in the future. An educated guess is the best you can do.

>>59902390
this is simply not true. It is true that no BRAND can be expected to increase in value full stop, all models no exceptions.

however with specific models you may find that an increase in value is easy to predict. 90s era tudors have dropped as much as they are going to, and examples in good condition have already risen in price

the SKX may rise if new old stock runs out as they are no longer being made, this is obviously a much less likely return or over a longer period.

there are tons of examples, but you are correct in general saying that watches are not an investment and cannot compete with the returns of properly invested money. The issue here is no one is advocating purchasing even the watches I have mentioned as investments. They are merely posing counterpoints to your assertion that no currently available retail watch will ever increase in value

>>59902434
>>59902439

There is no reason to expect an increase in value of any watch at this time. ALL watch acquisitions should be treated as purchases and NOT as investments.

Why not just take all your money to the casino and put it on black.

That's a 50% chance of winning, better odds than investing in a watch.

>>59902361
Thanks mate, didn't know about the Star Classic, I love it

>>59902407
>>59902351
Yeah, the mechanical chrono category is a very tricky one. Even those 1963's seem to have some serious QC problems and I would imagine that Alphas shit themselves really easily

>>59902445
Not expecting a watch to be an "investment" is fine. You can't say that no watch available today will increase in value though. It's just a fool's game to try and play at which one will.

>>59902451

All roulette wagers are mathematically identical, with the exception of 0 and 00, which are significantly worse.

>>59902458

Some watches may increase in value. There is no reason to expect any watch to increase in value.

>>59902405
yes there is a difference because an "investment" implies that you expect a return and you make the purchase solely to make that return.

Bottom end quartz in solid gold cases is one of the worst predictions I've heard because if you look at vintage watches with solid gold cases, they are already NOT worth their weight in gold. you are betting off buying coins or bars.

>>59902451
Almost every Rolex other than the Cellini line either maintains it's value or goes up.

>>59902463
>There is no reason to expect any watch to increase in value.
There literally fucking is for some watches. Now stop your useless whining mate.

>>59902459
I feel that a wager on black, a wager on 3rd 12, and a wager on 23 are not mathematically identical

>>59902470
Wrong.

>>59902466

The reason to prefer bottom end quartz in solid gold is that it mostly eliminates the error from expecting increase in horological interest and relies solely on the melt value. There is no reason to expect any appreciation of any watch, but there is a very slight possibility of a sufficient increase in melt value that makes such watches the only reasonable gamble at the present time.

>>59902474

There is not, and you will be unable to articulate a concrete reason that there could be.

>>59902475

Those wagers in fact have absolutely identical expected values.

>>59902451
also a wager on black is not 50% it is 49.7% in Europe and 48.9% in Vegas

No casino would host a game where there was a single bet that stood to mathematically lose them money or break even.

>>59902457
End of the day a mechanical chronograph usually costs $5,000+. 1963 is the only way non richfags will own one.

You just have to be a little gentle with it.

>>59902493

You can purchase a 7750-based chronograph for under US$1000 brand new with little effort. This qualifies as a mechanical chronograph that can be obtained by a "non richfag", despite its obvious drawbacks.

>>59902482
>18 / 38 = 47%~
>12 / 38 = 31%~
> 1 / 38 = 2%~

47 = 31 = 2

>>59902493
Poljot chronographs used to cost like $300-400 a few years ago and were actually quite decent. Though now they cost like $600-800.

>>59902512

The scam of roulette is well-understood, and you have utterly failed at addressing it.

>>59902482

here is a concrete reason that 90s era Tudor Princes will increase in value.

They are not being made, there is a finite amount, there is a finite amount smaller than that that are in good condition. They are becoming increasingly popular as Tudor as a brand becomes more popular, and fashions are trending back towards smaller watches.

Given the limited supply, and the increased demand, you can deduce, with reasonable confidence, that they will increase in value at least somewhat.

Take into consideration the history of their selling prices and you can see that the trend is already taking effect. The only mystery remaining is when their value will plateau, which I would estimate would be slightly before they overtake their contemporary equivalents from Tudor.

>>59902545

You are an idiot.

>>59902518
I wasn't addressing the scam of roulette.

>>59902549
Wow, great argumentation mate!

>>59902549
oh fuck. You've bested me.

>>59902549
in all honesty, thanks for helping me pass the time until the end of my shift. Always a good time to pointlessly argue on the internet

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>>59896445
You're reminding me that i should start updating the guide at some point. (There is a slightly updated version in existence)

And now that i have free access to my laptop it shouldn't take too long.

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>>59901287
Hey, it's not like anyone else posts the Seiko models I do, and I do also post an L5100 Speedmaster and a 116233 Datejust.

>>59901460
Look, I hate Steinshits too, and I would never buy a homage, but they are offering an ETA 2892-A2 Top Grade in a $500 watch (the Ocean Titanium 500). That's probably the best value for a new high grade production movement on the market.

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>>59903158
Well, the amount of people buying these unusual and well made vintage Japanese pieces is rather small. And surmounts to you canucks and your Desert kike friendo.

Also, i have a 4843-8110 incoming.

>>59901887
That's awesome. Keep us updated.

>>59902152
>>59902181
Here are the simple facts: Nomos are literally the first new company to develop the capacity to design and manufacture mechanical movements including escapements on a series production basis since the 1960s. They join Raketa, Vostok, Orient, Citizen, Seiko, ETA and Rolex as the only non haute horlogerie companies capable of this.

Developing this capability took a several year and ~12 million Euro investment in escapements and a further ~2 million Euro investment in designing the ultra-thin DUW 3001 calibre. These are enormous investments from a company with an annual sales volume of 10,000 - 20,000 units, and as a result must necessarily be reflected in increased unit prices.

In an affordable luxury watch market heavily dominated by Chinese-cased ETA-powered marketing-driven shitters, any watchmaker that makes the investments required to become a manufacture and actually increase the technical diversity of series produced mechanical movements should be applauded no matter whether you like the aesthetics of their product line. To the extent that Nomos succeeds by following this path, it may serve to encourage more investment in the technical aspects of watchmaking by other companies rather than just investing in more value engineering (i.e. cost-cutting) and more advertising.

Just in the last 10 years we have gone from a $1,000-$4,000 market where every single watch was powered by an ETA movement to one where you can now choose between ETA, Tudor, Nomos, and Seiko (8rXXs, 8LXXs). How can this development be regarded as bad for people interested in horology, regardless of whether you would personally buy any of those watches yourself? If only Miyota and Seiko would add micro-adjuster models to their ebauche offerings and Tudor would begin to use their in-house movement in more models, we could return to an era of real competition in movements in production watches not seen since the glory days of the 1970s.

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>>59903187
Nice. I like the case design on that one.

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>>59903261
It's a very nice 4843, and was serviced and properly oiled by a guy who enjoys saving these early Seiko quartz watches.

>>59903215
I don't mind people who buy them for the movements. You made many fair and valid points.

The design is just too boring for me

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Any North Korean watches?

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>>59903641
This is about it, really.

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>>59903641
Moranbong, but you'll likely never find one (unless Emperor Trump will be the one to finally push the Norks over the edge and have themselves curbstomped by the USA and the ROK).

You're more likely to find one of the Kim Il-Sung Constellations that the Norks gifted to communist diplomats. There's always one old grampa surviving on state pension somewhere in the former communist world who used to be an ambassador to the DPRK.

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Where my Shocks at

>>59903842
Holy shit that is sweet watch

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hey guys, what do you think of the DA36? It's tough and legible, a great tool watch. I'm thinking of picking one up. How is the crystal? Does it have a slight bluish sheen from the AR coating like in this picture?

>>59903907
If you like the looks, go for it m8. You probably won't notice the AR coating unless it's at a certain angle to be honest.

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>>59903886
There are a few versions, looks like the Omega Constellation was the standard high-level gift for quite a while now.

I wonder if Chinese, Russians, Cubans etc. still get a watch. Probably a Seiko 5 with sharpie over the dial.

>>59896832

Save up and buy 1 or 2 Patek Philippe, wear an 80's Rolex Oyster Perpetual for your day to day.

>>59903873
AWGM100

Was my daily for a couple years before I started buying automatics. Still at medium power despite being on the shelf for 7 months waiting for fishing/camping/shooting season again

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>>59904184
Fuck me

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Been working for 30 years.

>>59901221
this cuck again...

>>59901287

Anything with a skeleton face or back is fucking queerboy material. I don't care how fucking well it's made or how much it costs.

It's gaudy trustfund babby shit, or tryhard m'lady tier.

>>59904432
Ain't nothing wrong with a display caseback m8.

>>59903158

Very aesthetic

>>59904444

Firstly >checked

I would have agreed with you ten or so years ago. Personally, I feel like the steampunk movement (for lack of a better word) has killed that, it's become a pedestrian look that's too easy to mimic.

It's the same thing with pocketwatches, specifically with a hunter case. Both of these "aesthetics" meant something, protecting the watch, or showing off craftsmanship. But too many cheapo knockoffs have ruined the whole look.

I think now, just having a simple dial and functional band is the way to go.

>>59904531
Except no one sees the caseback except you

>steampunk movement
You spend too much time on the internet

>>59904555
This. Caseback is there just for your joy, and I can't see any connection between wristwatch (especially automatic with a rotor) movement and "steampunk".

>>59904555
>You spend too much time on the internet

Yes I do.

But here's the thing, I get that, with it being on the back of the case it's for you. Meaning, as the wearer, it's really an extra little thing that you can look at and appreciate. I understand that, I guess I'm saying, if someone had that, and I said, "nice watch," and then they turned it over to talk about the movement and such, I would just begin slowly rolling my eyes into the back of my skull because I know what automatic works look like. And unless you have like 22 complications or something, there's no way it will look fantastically different from any other automatic piece.

But I will admit my bias here.

>>59904700
> and then they turned it over to talk about the movement and such, I would just begin slowly rolling my eyes into the back of my skull because I know what automatic works look like

You can still enjoy talking about something you've seen before. If they're being a show off prick that's one thing, but if they just want to talk about their watch where's the problem? Isn't that why you come here?

>>59904700

And so now, as I'm rereading what I wrote, I suppose I'm just cringing more at the scenario than the actual item we're talking about. So I guess I'm just moving to a more neutral feeling about skeleton backs.

If you're into it, go for it, I guess I'm just not.

>>59904700
>and then they turned it over to talk about the movement and such, I would just begin slowly rolling my eyes into the back of my skull because I know what automatic works look like.
Sounds like you don't really like watches or you're just a dick. At least smile and nod like a normal human being

Lume ruins watches

>That green tinge in all but direct light sources

reeee

>>59904749
>skeleton backs.
Are you confusing skeletonized movements with display backs?

>>59904762

I think I'm confusing the terms yeah, I mean display backs.

>>59904754
>At least smile and nod like a normal human being


That's what I would end up doing.

>>59896791

I actually wrote this down after seeing your pic, I'm definitely going to pick one up

>>59904278
Nice
>>59904760
Yea this sucks

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>>59904760
That's why I'm trying to stock up on 1990's model Rolex watches that are currently cheaper than shit and have all the modern features, while still having beautiful, creamy tritium paint.

The modern ones have their own charm but I think collectors in 15-20 years will break down collector's Rolex watches into pre and post-Luminova dials, which the (increasingly rarer) tritium dialed ones carrying a significant premium.

Only one so far but I'm planning on getting at least a 14270 Explorer 1 assuming my finances aren't JUSTed for the forseeable future.

>>59905020
Interesting file name

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What do you guys think of this?

>>59905045
Looks cheap, probably is cheap.

>>59905054
100€ more or less, poorfag here

but i saw timex a lot here, is it reliable for the price?

>>59904278
Is that a 16220?

>>59905045
>>59905066
Fine for the price if you like it, looks will probably go out of style in 5 years but who cares since you probably won't own it longer than that.

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Dubs decide how I mod this Amphibian I have.
>Original bezel or Seiko Pepsi?
>Dial?
>Hands?
>Display back or original?
>Nato, mesh or oyster bracelet?

>>59905114
trash bag mod

>>59905114
Get it caught in the subway door so it drags you to your death.

>>59903907
i prefer the da38, although i'd rather it be 38mm because i'm a faggot

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I want something like a SARB033 but with no lume.
The SARX version is too big.
Is there any vintage seikos with similar design?
I also fucking love SBGX061 but it's out of my range sadly.

In short, I'm looking for a watch with classic seiko design, less than 38mm and less than 400$, and most importantly, no lume.

>>59905350
Orient Star Classic

>>59905083

Yessir, sorry, left the thread to take the wifey to work.

>>59901031
In terms of pitting from saltwater yeah
But for general scratch resistance it's not much of a difference

>>59905114
Pepsi bezel
Fake rolex dial
Mercedes hands
Black and yellow Bumblebee nato

>>59905114
Spray paint it hot pink

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Thoughts on the Breguet Type XX?

Is this the best value flyback chronograph you can buy? I didn't like the look at first but it's growing on me

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Left or right?

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>can find brand new Zenith El Primero brand new for 4800
>can only find 2nd hand above 5000

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>>59901903

>>59905980
right. i would have said left if not for the inverted lcd.

>>59906083
Bloody hell that's gross.

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>>59902309
Now I'm actually thinking to "combine" the dressy watch & the chrono and buy a M199S. I know there's a lot of risk involved, but I really want a ST19 watch and the additional date & true moonphase complications are super cool at that price range.

>>59906348
>but I really want a ST19 watch
You really don't

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>>59905526
Nice. I'm looking at picking up a 16200 with a blue dial at some point, and I want a smooth bezel as I already have a 116223 with a fluted bezel, and as I feel the smooth bezel suits an oyster bracelet better.

>>59905939
A quick googling fails to reveal any other flyback chronographs that aren't 7750 based or haute horlogerie pieces costing a fortune, so yes, I think.

Nice design too.

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>tfw no marinemaster to sink dive with

These words in these threads should autoban the poster:
>replica
>rep
>alternative to X
>affordable
>homage
>beater
>workhorse movement

>>59907178
Nothing wrong with beater.
My komandirskie is nothing but a dirty beater

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>>59907178
(You)

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>>59907178
I can't wait to get this Master Control homage, a great affordable alternative to JLC with a modified Sellita SW200, what a great workhorse movement

>>59907242
The only "Swiss" watches with significant portions of them made in China are $750-$3000 ETA powered Chinese cases SHITTERS that Archie fans would despise.

Rolex and above Swiss watchmakers don't outsource anything to China. Fuck right off with your bullshit shitter logic.

>>59907178
agree

should also ban all gooks from here as well desu

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>>59907154
>tfw I cannot bring my diver with me during bath time due to the hot water

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>>59907330
Holy fuck what a nasty vicious shitter.

>>59907533
how hot is too hot for dem gaskets?

>>59907330
>Sellita SW200
>what a great workhorse movement
kek

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>>59907242
>It's a shrimp dick chinaman makes a homage meme because people don't like rice nigger manufacturing standards

>>59907178
>daily driver

>>59907540
yes it is but I like it

>>59907766
worst I've heard about it is that its an eta clone. Is there something else I should know?

>>59907817
Not him, but according to my watchmaker the Sellita ETA clones are complete shit compared to the originals.

>>59907817
It's a clone of a the 2824-2, a movement that seems to eat iself up unless serviced regularly, also feared to break under regular hand winding.

There's a limited track record on the SW200, so you're taking a chance on a low-end movement.

>>59896374
Where did nineball fuck off to?

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>>59907913
ah, well, I may take my chances on the oris at any rate. A shitter is a shitter but I have heard plenty of anecotes that say Sellita are superior to match your anecdote of your watchmaker's preference. May as well buy the shitter I like

>>59907931
>eta 2824 eats itself up unless serviced

I've never heard this before, the handwinding thing sure.

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>>59906213
It scratched my itch for a lumed dial watch though.

>>59907995
Several pics of busted ETA2824s online - but is it due to handwinding or poor service? Internet autists disagree

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This is the sexiest slav dial in existence. Can't wait to receive it

>>59907963
>so much wrong
they even misspelt "pro poljot"

>>59908235
that's probably the most boring dial i've seen, and the font for the numerals is absolutely terrible

>>59908234
fuck it, I won't spend more than 500 or so for an eta or sellita and if it lasts only two years or whatever I will be disappointed but it will ultimately be a cheap lesson over that amount of time.

hopefully I'll be in a position to buy a nicer in-house watch by then, else I suppose I will stick with Japanese brands

>>59908235

No. I prefer the monochrome dials or the neptune dials.

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My blue tag is still my fave diver

Plz no bully

>>59907937

banned for posting "shart in the mart"

>>59908382
wear it in great health friend

>>59905114

Cathedral hands Hamilton mod

I wonder what the next "Big Thing" for mechanical watches is going to be. The majority of mechanicals that we all wear are copies or strongly influenced by designs that are very old. I really can't think of what will come next. Will it just be making all the aspects of what we currently have better? All watches have longer reserves, thinner movements, more accuracy ... I don't know. I really can't see where the room for advancement will be in the mechanical watch technology factor.

Can someone recommend me a field watch that isn't a Seiko Alpinist nor a Hamilton Field Khaki for under $1000

>>59905350
I think the presage line has a really similar one. Its sary something.

>>59908620
SARG007/005/013/011

>>59908558
Chinese takeover with astonishing quality complications ranging from moonphases and chronos to fucking tourbillons.

They just lack two things to succeed right now: QC and marketing.

>>59908408
Kek for real?

>>59908382

Very inoffensive TAG

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>>59908620
Marathon GPM

>>59908691

Hey they had many cool designs, my fathers Link from over 15 years ago looks great.

At some point they added too much detail.

http://www.righttime.com/pre-owned/mens_watches/22318386m.jpg


Everything has hairline scratches probably, but still in great condition even after daily use.

Requesting the microbrand founding tutorial.

I already have the name though, it's going to be Paul Chesterfield.

>>59908805
great name

>>59908558
The next big technological trend is likely to be the incorporation of silicon and micrometer scale parts manufacturing. It is already underway, really, but it's full potential hasn't been realized yet.

Another coming big trend is a looming crisis for watchmakers slapping ETAs into Chinese cases. The Swatch Group is getting brutalized so badly at the moment that they've started selling parts to independents again, much less stopping their ebauche sales.

>>59908805

Wanna shorten it to pc?

My fake name is Oddvar Teräsvasara, with the last name meaning steelhammer, first name meaning nothing.

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>>59908805
>Paul Chesterfield

I like it.

>>59907533
If it can't harm your skin it isn't going to do shit to a silicone gasket.