Does anyone else think the Red hat shilling is getting out of

who cares

>>59829531
>caring about the opinion of aspies on a vietnamese cartoon board

>>59829531
redhat fucking sucks and centos is worse. Having only gcc 4.8.1 available when the latest version is 6.3.1 is fucking unacceptable, and shit breaks all the time. Happy now OP?

I live in Raleigh NC and can confirm red hat shills on here.

>>59829737
People who (a) enjoy technology for its own sake, and (b) people who have to work with it for a living.

>>59829851
Then why all the pro-RHEL posts? Sure seems funny to me...

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>>59829876
>implying we even have a significant engineering presence in Raleigh
>implying more than 25% of engineering is in the US
>implying 90% of the remainder isn't either remote or in Boston

We can all agree that hating systemd is a meme.

Most people hear it's bad and so they propagate the idea, and blow it out of proportion without much research, consideration or thought.
When systemd first appeared, it was quickly adopted because not many people had qualms about it.
Those who did (and those were few) had their own reasons and thoughts (they didn't get meme'd into hating it) and moved onto other init systems.
Most of them were reasonable enough not to start a fucking civil war because of them, because even they knew that systemd is a natural step forward in general.

If systemd was as hated as it is now, it would never have been so widely adopted.

>So, how did this meme really come about?
Well, I'll tell you.

systemd is the most advanced init system in existence.
It's better than Apple's launchd and better than whatever Microsoft has.
It's arguably one of the best things that happened to GNU since Linux.
The jews know this, so they spawned a fake controversy around it in order to divide the community, sabotage the project and keep GNU/Linux from advancing as an operating system and gaining more market share.
Just think about it:
>Linux - the most advanced kernel in existence
>systemd - the most advanced init and service manager in existence
>free as in both freedom and beer
And now with Steam OS, Chrome OS and both Wayland and Vulkan maturing, it's only a matter of time before GNU/Linux becomes truly mainstream and takes over the gaming market.
But they were a bit late to notice this before the wide adoption of systemd.

That's how, even though it seemed like a natural step forward in the evolution of GNU/Linux back then, systemd is the most controversial topic in the FOSS world right now.

>TL;DR
Hating systemd is an artificial meme brought about via CIA's advanced meme warfare techniques in order to prevent the year of the GNU/Linux desktop.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf

Since systemd was first proposed it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:

Myth: systemd is monolithic.

If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated. Many of these binaries are separated out so nicely, that they are very useful outside of systemd. A package involving 69 individual binaries can hardly be called monolithic.

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.

There's certainly some truth in that. systemd's sources do not contain a single line of code originating from original UNIX. However it derives inspiration from UNIX. In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

Myth: systemd is bloated.

Well, bloated certainly has many different definitions. But in most definitions, systemd is probably the opposite of bloat. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure. systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

>>59829851
To be honest I really think that this board has a significant role in Linux circlejerking. It's not like normal people are using Linux for desktop. Pretty much Reddit and /g/ ricers are the only ones.

>>59830323
>Steam OS, Chrome OS and both Wayland and Vulkan maturing
I want to support you, but none of these are maturing and what you wrote is quite wrong.

>>59829531
It's because RHEL/Fedora/GNOME/Systemd users have higher IQs, our posts just attract more attention, we're very good posters, unlike OP.

Also Red Hat is a great company which open sources everything, even the companies that they acquire, and contributes back to the community.

On the other hand you have Arch, which isn't a company at all; it's an IRC chatroom full of teenagers without social skills who have managed to put the Linux kernel source, the GNU coreutils, and various shitty bash scripts they found online onto a webserver, and declared that by downloading all of them that one could build a fully functional operating system. Keep in mind they change this "repository" by the minute, and demand that all Arch users update every several minutes to fix various things that the updates from yesterday broke.

They can't program anything, and have only contributed a pointless wiki that provided their few users a way to share the trivial commands necessary to run Arch (symlinking fonts in several directories, doing basic disk partitioning, echoing your timezone into a text file, and other such pointless tasks). Recently they deleted the wiki because it made Arch Linux "too easy to use"

For obvious reasons, they're getting bullied off /g/

>>59831254
>"higher IQs"
>Fedora
>reddit spacing
you're only missing a reference to how you're an intellectual atheist.

>>59831254
Writing a slug desktop environment using javascript and css is literally high IQ.

Just fuck off already, gnome sucks.

>>59830335
Not a myth: Systemd assimilates other parts of a system like ntp, something way out of the wheelhouse of an init system, and then uses its privileged position which it got by writing an init system that's not shit to snuff out more and more and more of the extensibility that makes Linux strong.

Systemd's problems are social and political, not technical.

Who needs anacron, ntpd, syslog-ng when you have timers, systemd-ntp, and journal?

I'm more annoyed with the monoculture that Linux is quickly becoming combined with the assholes developing systemd.

>>59831254
>they deleted the wiki because it made Arch Linux "too easy to use"

No, they didn't. They removed the "Beginner's Installation Guide" and made the official Installation Guide easier. It eliminated redundancy. Why the fuck where there two installation guides to begin with?

>>59831309
I'm using Gnome 3.24 on a Fedora 26 Workstation install with two 4K displays and everything's smoother than warm butter.

I take it you need your graphical environment to run on a very low end Thinkpad that's 5+ years old, right

>>59831325
Does arch still not even have a fucking install script, or do they expect the user to do everything by hand out of elitist autism?

>>59829531
>The constant anti-Arch and anti-Ubuntu threads
Arch is a meme like all stupidly unstable "bleeding edge" distros. It is only for people who are fine with updates fucking everything up, because the devs decided to completely change something on a whim. Meanwhile Ubuntu is quite literally linux for people who hate linux, and the values it stands for. Why is this hard to understand?

>>59830323
>meme warfare
kek

>>59830323
>using my pasta
nice

>>59830250
What the fuck post did you mean to reply to?

>>59829531
everyone always hated on ubuntu for the NIH syndrome and the fact that only newbie users used it
and arch is pretty much a hobbyist distro

Why aren't you running CentOS?

>>59830152
provide evidence

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>>59829531
Nigga, Microsoft is losing and is only a matter of time for them to reveal a secret partnership with RedHat, they have the same aggressive marketing strategy on social networks and we all are on this crazy train called /g/

>>59832301

Microsoft is losing and nothing will replace it. The future is going to be a wretched hellscape of Android and iOS.

>>59831280
What even is reddit spacing? I see normal structured paragraphs?

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>>59829531
>valuing the opinion of housewives on an Estonian tickle-torture enthusiast forum
Kõdi oma tagumik

>>59832301
what fucking planet do you live on?

>>59832587
I've seen this same argument of "reddit spacing" all over 4chan, apparently is either some troll or like the rumor say is /pol/ mindfuckery again

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>>59832301

>>59829531
This board was never diverse. Distros are popular in waves. You'll see trends, not long ago it was almost exclusively Debianposters, and Arch prior to that. Posters like you who care too much about what others think have to rice the new distro and post in neofetch threads.

>>59831418
>Meanwhile Ubuntu is quite literally linux for people who hate linux, and the values it stands for. Why is this hard to understand?
I don't understand because you just stated something but didn't explain anything.

debianistheonlyanswertoeverything

>>59832018
>>59830152

subject and timestamp of the latest post to memo-list or gtfo