Explain me why KDE is not the most popular desktop environment

Xfce exists

Cinnamon exists

>download kde
>pls login hahaha :^)
nope

>>59811945
It doesn't work.
Come back when it does.

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>>59811945
The only reason I switched to KDE is that cute dragon

>>59811945
Crashed every single vm I tried this on.

bloaty nonsense

Openbox exists

>>59811945
It works pretty well for me. I got bored and I tried lxqt for a few days but no KDE Connect so I'm back.

>>59811958
updated every 2 years, ugly

>>59811972
works fine, your toaster is not a computer

>>59811990
> feedback about a test in vm...

>>59811994
Every DE is bloated

>>59811999
We are speaking about DE, not a window manager

>>59811945
Bacause red hat wants gtk and QT is a mess.

>>59811970
>I lie on the internet
nope

>>59811945
>using KDE on the dedicated GNOME distro
why?

>>59811994
this is the main reason

also because it looks like shit.

>>59812181
KDE is very well integrated in the fedora spin and there is no reason to use the shitty KDE neon.

KDE really is a best, but I don't really use most of the features. I barely use multiple workspaces, never mind virtual whatever they call multiple different desktop widget sets.
Cinnamon is pretty enough, and does what I want from a DE.

>>59812053
your mother is bloated

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>>59811945

Historic reasons.

KDE uses Qt which at one time use to have a proprietary license.

So GNOME was started and the GTK toolkit originally made by the GIMP developers was selected for it's free license. GNOME would later develop and maintain GTK.

Most distributions chose the free software license desktop over the one built on the proprietary toolkit.

Not the case today anymore. But history.

it's a shitty windows knockoff.

GNOME 3 is an original DE. It doesn't try to be windows.

>>59812616
Yeah and it succeeds in being shit.

>>59811958
Literally impossible to use unless you're half-blind and are unable to notice the constant massive screen tears

Every couple years I try it, but I just haven't really enjoyed using KDE since 4.0.
Far too many knobs on different, disconnected things to tune and get working, and it usually ends up ugly and broken.
Used to live and breathe 3.x, and Trinity was in a rather broken state the last time I tried it.

>>59811945
looks like shit

>>59811945
kde WAS most popular, and gnome was nearly dead when ubuntu came out. People really liked orange/brown theme and gnome became popular. Then ubuntu released kubuntu which was ubuntutards first experience with kde, and it was utter crap.
Thanks buntu.

>>59811945

It's a ugly windows clone, and pretty much all applications worth a damn (with the exception of Krita) uses GTK which is better integrated in Gnome.

With Ubuntu now going back to Gnome, KDE is on suicide watch.

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The current state-of-the-art show-off KDE Neon crashes when you try to install it. It's a fucking joke.

>>59812731
Just use a different compositor. Not hard.

>>59813346
>le compton meme

>>59813396
>literally not a meme.

>>59811945
>Fedora KDE
Literally the worst KDE ever.

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>>59812053
(you)

>>59813432
>animu
Opinion discarded.

>>59811945
Because in it's current form is pretty ugly. They should invest in some good graphic and UI designers.

>>59813457
Welcome to the anime website. Enjoy your stay, anon-kun.

SIGSEGV simulator.

>>59813281
Enjoy your file picker without thumbnails, GNOMElet.

>>59811988
>>59812300
I need lewds of these qts.

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>>59813556
>13 years
>13 FUCKING YEARS

>>59811945
That is thanks to the mind set that wrough Kmail and unleashed it on the world.

>Crashes you say? Nuked your entire archive you say? Who cares, we just make shiney shiney!

>>59813655

>13 years
>13 FUCKING YEARS

And yet Gnome is a hundred times more popular than KDE, shows how important file selection with thumbnails really is...

the windows gui is still the best

>>59813781
Agreed. How do I still windows shell in ubuntu?

the software center thingy doesn't work in fedory + kde

>>59811970
>using the smiley with a carat nose

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>>59813763

>>59813763
Popularity doesn't make it any less shit though.

a lot of the non-GNOME fedora spins come with retarded shit i noticed

>>59811945
why does KDE need 2 (two) hamburger menus on the desktop?

>>59813976
If you lock widgets the one in the panel goes away.

>>59813976
You can disable them both.

>>59814152
How do you disable the one on the desktop?

>>59813838

LOL, 557 votes, was this poll done on the KDE official forums ?

>>59814180
My bad, that was actually from 2014. Here's the 2016 version.
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2016-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-123/desktop-environment-of-the-year-4175596299/

>>59814173
Somewhere in desktop preferences, disable dekstop toolbox or something like that.

>>59814173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WupG-tXatoM

>>59812166
Gtk codebase consists of layers upon layers upon layers of cruft, dirty hacks and pure shit nobody, and I mean _nobody_ (including the 2 semi-active developers it has left) can comprehend anymore.

Even Linus fucking Torvalds, a known C++ hater and a competent C programmer, switched his Subsurface project to QT/C++ because he couldn't make sense of the fucking mess Gtk was and found its devs to be insufferable faggots.

Qt is objectively superior in every way: clean code, clean API, active development, more portable, looks better, uses native widgets on different platforms and now that it's fully GPL-ed there's absolutely no reason Gtk shouldn't fucking die already.

>>59814303

Qt is anything but clean code, it's fucking mess, and granted so is GTK, the best way forward would be to create a new GUI toolkit from scratch.

It's also telling that in over a decade of existing, neither of these toolkits have managed to become the de facto standard, the reason is both suck.

>>59814288
looks like shit

*projectile vomits*

>>59814480
>Let's throw away thousands of years worth of man hours just to have same functionality we have today, but have subjectively cleaner code

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>>59814566
I agree, kde looks bad out of box. Here's my kde after customizing it.

>>59814303
this

why does the API break EVERY fucking version?

i have NEVER seen a GTK program that didn't fill the terminal with error messages and warnings

>>59814679
literally looks like xfce except its slower and shittier

the only thing good from kde is kwin and dolphin

Just like SystemDildo:

- too big
- too fat
- too monolithic

Any questions?

>>59814755
it's sad because KDE used to be pretty modular

>>59811945

KDE always was and still is a bug ridden pile of crap and a usability carastrophe

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>>59814679
end your life

>>59814772
Are you retarded? It has become more and more modular over time. Practically all they are doing is de-coupling the different parts of KDE and having graphic designers slightly improve the aesthetics.

>>59814800
it's still not as modular as 3 was

>>59811945
It is the most popular desktop environment.

Dolphin is the best file manager

>>59813922
What kind of retarded shit? I'm asking this naively, I've never tried a non-GNOME Fedora spin before.

>>59811945
Buggy

>>59814960
apparently the KDE one comes with Kiten, and it's some kind of japanese dictionary for learners

>>59811945
is it really that unpopular?

anyways imo it's a) boringly windows-like and b) inferior in its aesthetics - gnome 3 is a heap of shit imo but at least there's the cheap thrill of novelty, as with unity, elementary OS etc. and KDE is also somewhat visually bloated with menus, bars, buttons.

>>59813632
Search konqi on e621

>>59815141
https://e621.net/post/index/1/kde

https://www.furiffic.com/pouar

>>59815141
Benis :DDDDD

Should have stuck with KDE 3. There was literally nothing functionally wrong with that.

KDE and associated applications typically have UIs that are either overcrowded (button for everything syndrome) and/or are laid out awkwardly (e.g. all the controls being tightly clustered up in one corner while the other corner has football fields of white space). Every part of KDE would benefit greatly from a simple rethinking of what buttons are actually necessary and re-layout that distributes space more evenly.

They don't need to go full GNOME with 50px margins everywhere and not enough buttons. XFCE's applications are a good middleground to use as an example.

It's unstable and buggy as hell.

And when it's finally matured into a perfectly stable DE, they deprecate it in favor of a brand new release that has a million bugs and stability issues.

This is the cycle with every single KDE release.

>>59812300
>>GTK toolkit originally made by the GIMP developers
>GTK stands for Gimp ToolKit
>Latest gimp isn't compatible with latest gtk
How can one fuck up so badly?

>>59815217
y tho?

>>59811945
because KDE is buggy as hell

>>59815244
>typically have UIs that are either overcrowded (button for everything syndrome) and/or are laid out awkwardly (e.g. all the controls being tightly clustered up in one corner while the other corner has football fields of white space)
Can you give some examples for these? Because I haven't seen anything like this since Plasma 4.

>>59814679
What terminal emulator is that?

>>59815244
>XFCE's applications are a good middleground to use as an example.

What's the point of XFCE as a "lightweight" DE when it uses more resources and is less functional than MATE?

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>>59812243
>Activities
There are multiple blog posts, articles, forum threads, etc. about activities being confusing, not well integrated, and generally useless.
>A "super-set" of virtual desktops
>Separate wallpaper, widgets, and desktop icons are the only relevant changes

>YAY! ACTIVITIES!

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>>59815344
gimp is a pile of shit.

honestly a lot of productive software on linux is mediocre at best. i can't believe there still isn't some sort of effort to cooperate between projects and create a suite like the adobe stuff with common development and a common interface, shortcuts etc. it's a mess right now. a million fucking little projects and forks one shittier than the other. coordinate your efforts, freetards

>>59815884
Well, Krita doesn't sucks.

>>59815884
Linux is pretty much a toy on the home desktop.

That's not an insult against Linux as a server or embedded systems or what-have-you, but in some cases its usability and functionality for a home user is below even some early-90s propriety computers.

>>59815969
most desktop users literally don't need anything other than a web browser, image viewer, and media player. Linux does those things very well.

>>59812731
werks on my machine for the first time actually, no tearing without compton
>>59813396
its not a meme if it actually works.

>>59815960
it's okay but still, until there's some effort for standardisation it's all kinda fucked. it's annoying enough to learn the shortcuts for one program, doing it for three or more (which most graphics guys will need) is unnecessarily messy. same with the interface etc

>>59816037
i agree but if you work in media / arts / marketing / movie shit / audio production etc the software is usually a pain in the ass to use. feature wise it's often good enough but the lack of cooperation between devs pretty much ruins the experience, which is a shame. i'd love to be free of the bloated adobe suite and their insane prices. i'm willing to pay/donate a reasonable price for that, i just see any options. really the main thing keeping me from switching to some linux distro, i dont care about games much, but for now i', dependant on aidsdobe

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>>59812053
>updated every 2 years, ugly
Updated every time the devs remember, crashes and is uglier than sin with the clock padding and huge font
>works fine, your toaster is not a computer
the ideal DE should run on even 1GB toasters with C2Ds, like Xfce
>Every DE is bloated
wrong, GNOME and KDE are bloated.
>We are speaking about DE, not a window
manager
>We are speaking about DE
>speaking about DE
indian confirmed.

>>59812715
shit is still better than whatever the fuck KDE is supposed to be.

>>59815507
terminator, only good thing about this goddamn desktop
>>59814679
LOOK AT THAT FUCKING CLOCK HOLY SHIT

Only thing I find better on kde is kdeconnect and dolphin. Not enough to get me to invest the time to switch.

>>59813336
The show get's even more interesting if you DO manage to get it installed. It looks good, but it performs horribly.

>>59816104
>the ideal DE should run on even 1GB toasters with C2Ds, like Xfce

Could even make the argument that even that is too much considering that the actual demands made of a DE haven't changed since a time when that was considered a top-of-the-range system.

>>59815557
I was speaking from a UI design standpoint, not from a resource consumption standpoint.

>>59815470
The main/system/start menu is a good example. The file manager and open/save panels could use work.

>>59814732
And KDEconnect...

>>59811945
>too many half-baked features
>the good ones aren't polished, just left to rot while new shit is cooked up
>this half-assed approach is always excused by "lol its FOSS, do your own"
Gnome and XFCE seem to put more effort into making things work, even if I don't like the aesthetics. I can generally count on them to be good from release to release. KDE goes from bretty gud to absolute shit-show from month to month. They need discipline. Stop treating the project like a highschool science fair and it could be the new standard. I and many others like the aesthetic, but the massive half-bake and derelict problems have to go away now.

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>>59816629
How is this in any way overcrowded or awkwardly laid out? it looks just like any other file manager as does the open/save dialog. I agree with the menu but there are two alternatives built-in, one if which is a much simplified menu.

>>59816741
>They need discipline.

FOSS in a nut shell.

>>59816754
not the guy youre replying to but i agree.

for example, the "find" button should be on the top right imo, that' just how it's universally done, and it could just be a text input field without losing any space.

the grouping of features/buttons is kinda odd. on top you have cosmetic features on the left, then the find/preview things, then "split" which i assume is cosmetic again.

likewise in the side bar you have "places" on top and "devices" on bottom, would make more sense to put those next to each other imo since both are basically lists of what are for all intents and purposes folders of different size/position in the file hierarchy

also there seems to be no easy way to hide/collapse those things, but maybe there is one, i dont use dolphin

on a related note, any good DEs that popped up in the last 2-3 years? been away from linux for a while and feel like dicking around in a VM

>>59817019
Budgie

comfiest full featured DE is XFCE.

>>59817004
This is some top tier cherry picking. Give me literally any GUI software and I could do the same.

>>59817061
it's just examples indicative of a lack of understanding regarding GUI design.

personally i dont think dolphin is bad, it's perfectly usable, but the awkwardness becomes a problem when there's more information to be displayed or packed away in menus and submenus.

can you collapse the Places/Recently Saved/Search For/Devices things btw? just curious

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>>59817061
also since you asked, i like finder. /g/ shits all over it and i can't use it right now because i'm on a winshit machine but in terms of design it's pretty neat if you just need a file manager for everyday stuff.

the column view is so fucking useful it always baffles me other file managers haven't copied it.

>>59814679
Are you blind?

KDE is much better than Gnome. The only thing bothering me is the humongous clock in the panel, they fixed it once but made it huge again

>>59817231
You can replace the clock. That is just the default clock widget. Additionally, if you resize the panel to a reasonable height, the clock will also be a reasonable size.

>>59811945
QT wasn't GPL until after GTK was used by just about every distro.

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>>59817039
This

>>59817134
>can you collapse the Places/Recently Saved/Search For/Devices things btw? just curious
Not individually, but that whole panel can be toggled on and off. There are 4 different panels (possibly more via plugins). Places, Information, Folders, and Terminal.

>>59812616
>GNOME 3 is an original DE. It doesn't try to be windows.

Yeah, instead it tries to be fucking Mac OS.

>>59813336
Try openSUSE.

It works fine.

>>59817455
wouldn't that, at the very least, be a valid point of criticism. it's pretty simple functionality that's there both in windows explorer and finder on OSX.

takes up a good 20% of the window

>>59817638
>takes up a good 20% of the window
I just told you you can toggle that entire pannel off (not to mention it's resizable). You can also fully customize the contents of it. I literally don't know what you are complaining about.

KDE is the only DE I would ever consider for productivity. The only time I use GNOME is to impress plebs who visit when I boot up my home entertainment system.

>>59817674
turning it off doesn't achieve what i'm trying to achieve. customizing via options is nice but clunky. there's no reason not to have a little arrow to collapse/expant those things.

anyways, you asked why it's awkward design, so i answered. again i think dolphin is usable software, its flaws are just an example of something that continues throughout the system in places where it becomes more obstrusive and visually confusing. it's not that dolphin is particularily bad, just that there's signs indicating the team doesn't always have a clear concept of what it's doing.

>>59811965
This

>>59817039
>>59817387
ugly and less customization than cinnamon

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>>59817796
another simple example of weird design is the size of the clock vs other text in the panel; the size of the taskbar icons vs other ones in the panel. it's arbitrary, it should be concise, streamlined. again that's no biggie, but a systematic weakness

>>59817796
What are you trying to accomplish? At best you are saving verticle space in a panel where nothing else would be using that space anyways. Sounds kind of pointless. I can see why they wouldn't add that. If you don't want to see the things in that panel, then hide the panel with a keyboard shortcut. If you do want to see the things in the panel, bring it back with the same keyboard shortcut. You are trying to create problems where non exists.

>>59811945
It krashes.

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KDE just works whereas nothing else does

>>59817889
a lot of people probably don't use the recently saved / search for features. the arrows are a simple, quick way to get rid of items you don't need. most users won't bother with settings or keyboard shortcuts. being able to easily customize the side bar, the central element that lets you quickly switch between places in the file manager, seems pretty basic to me.

i don't know how to make this any clearer, i'm not saying it's bad software or that i don't understand how to work around this, just that it simply isn't great GUI design and that it's a systematic problem that leads to heavy clutter in more feature rich applications where a lot of functionality needs to be stashed away in menus and buttons and suchlike

>>59817914
>1000+ packages on arch
bloated pos. keep that shit under control... dont post it again

>>59817948
>a lot of people probably don't use the recently saved / search for features
Then tell KDE to stop indexing your files with Baloo in the system settings and it will no longer appear in the file manager.

>>59811945
It's very simple, OP. Most freetards are also poorfags that can't afford a machine with more than 2 GB RAM

>>59817959
>hurrr... hard drive space is expensive
Stay poor fag

>>59817999
????? why is he posting this TO ME. surely he meant to reply to someone else because that has nothing to do with my post.... can anyone explain

>>59817987
that's an unnecessarily complex solution. an arrow would reduce that to one click. also the indexing would be useful for actual search functionality, i suppose. which should really be put away in "search" element rather than five that are displayed at all times; just make the file type selection context sensitive

>>59818035
>can anyone explain
Sure, retard. I would be happy to.

You made a post criticising a particular Arch Linux installation on the basis of the number of installed packages. The only thing which could possibly be seen as problematic about having a large number of packages installed is hard drive space consumption. However, since hard drive space is ridiculously cheap, it logically follows that only poor people would have a problem with this.

Glad to have cleared that up for you, retard.

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>>59817914
>KDE just works

>>59818067
>The only thing which could possibly be seen as problematic about having a large number of packages installed is hard drive space consumption
Also increased CPU load during package management checking for conflicts and such

>>59818048
>clicking a checkbox to disable a feature I don't use is unnecessarily complex
Jesus christ how much of a faggot can you be. Stop posting.

>>59818082
>oh no, it took an extra 5ms to perform a monthly operation
>that is 60ms/year I will never get back
>life is so hard

>>59818067
same fag anyway its not about hard drive space. might as well use ubuntu if you want a bloated computer
ubuntus dont have hard drive space issues but they have thousands of packages

its not the arch way.... fix it...

>>59818102
um dude I didn't suggest that it's a real problem, just a possible problem for retards.

>>59818082
how did you get the leafs next to your name

>>59818119
Um actually Arch packages are MORE bloated than Ubanto ones because they BOTH include support for as much as possible when building but Arch includes the headers for each package so you can compile shit while Ubuntu separates those into package and package-dev

So maybe learn a thing or two before posting here, cunt.

>>59817914
your kernel is out of date why are you using arch without updating it? thats what ubuntu is for having outdated kernel

>>59818119
>its not the arch way.... fix it...
You are a retard. I use Arch for my own reasons, not for some autistic philosophy

>>59818088
half of the users out there can't manage the simplest things, i doubt they would open the settings and look for that specifically. and regardless of how computer savvy someone is less clicks is always preferrable. not to mention you completely disregarded that disabling indexing is a wonky solution because it's actually a useful feature that might be needed in other places, turning it off is a pretty blunt solution just to hide a sidebar element.

i'm just explaining why it's bad GUI design to you. i don't understand why you're upset about that, especially since you asked for it.

>>59818155
>he updates things unnecessarily
Wow, you sound like an autist.

>>59818139
again he posts something that isnt about my post. somebody tell me why is he doing it....

>>59818158
>>59818173
if you take out the name calling there is nothing left in these posts. i will not reply

>>59818131
gold account

>>59818179
>if you take out the name calling there is nothing left in these posts. i will not reply
Well so far you haven't provided any valid argument other than
>hurr you are doing things I don't like SCREEEEE

>>59818179
I was telling you that Ubuntu is less bloated than Arch, so saying a person should use Ubuntu if they like bloat doesn't make much sense.

Because Unity is the best.

>>59811945
GNOME 3 is simple, highly polished, and very functional. KDE IS SHIT.

>>59818201
its not what arch is for. im posting suggestions on how to make it like arch

>>59818204
ubuntu downloads a thousand packages better than arch and it already has 3000 and downloader so you wont have to look for them

>>59818241
>its not what arch is for. im posting suggestions on how to make it like arch
I literally don't give a shit. I use it the way it works best for me. If you do anything less, you are just a mindless sheep.

>hurr the arch way. one of us...

>>59818241
>ubuntu downloads a thousand packages better than arch and it already has 3000 and downloader so you wont have to look for them
incoherent jumble of a sentence. Are you autistic? Serious question.

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>>59816754
Maybe some shooping can point out some of the issues I’m talking about.

Here’s a mildly tweaked version of that screenshot. Almost nothing has been rearranged, yet it feels more streamlined and flows better. It fixes the problem of the window melding together into a loosely correlated control soup by using visual cues and greater consistency (spacing, etc) to communicate grouping and relation. It also fixes the issue of the selection color being used in a place where it provides no value (main file pane).

>>59818261
you will break on next ssystem update. wait doesnt matter you never system update

>>59818263
you can download a lot of packages faster on ubuntu. if you like having a thousand packages you will enjoy ubuntu more because you can scroll and click download everything with its downloader
3000 packages already there for more fun

>>59818341
>you will break on next ssystem update.
I've been using Arch Linux for years. You are more likely to break your system by installing updates daily than every few months by far.
>wait doesnt matter you never system update
I update when I need to update.

>>59818440
an update a day keeps the doctor away

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>>59818160
So are you saying that you don't have enough room for the "Places" or the "Devices" section because the "Recently Saved" and "Search For" (which I would argue most KDE users DO use) take up too much room? I have plenty of room for more.

>>59818330
Apart from aligning the icons in the sidebar you made it looks worse.
What's with the teeny tiny fonts in the bottom bar?

>>59818493
not sure if you're joshing me now but people don't generally use their file manager in full screen mode i don't think

anyways, it's besides the point. it's simple functionality, it's reasonable to include as i laid out in previous posts, the lack thereof it's indicative of a systematic lack in well-thought-through GUI design

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I like KDE.

>>59818617
I almost always have it either maximized or tiled to half the screen (this is true of nearly any application that I use). Either way it has the same amount of room vertically. I can't see any reason not to do this unless you can provide one.
>it's besides the point. it's simple functionality
It's not besides the point at all. If you can't even demonstrate a need for it, why would someone else waste their time developing the feature in the first place? "Windows does it" is not a valid reason for KDE to do it.

>>59818506
not him but imo it's clearly more structured.

>>59818718
>2000 packages
fix it but good kernel

>>59818745
I need what I have. Not trying to run a slim system by any means.

>>59818745
jesus christ you are an insufferable faggot

>>59818723
have you read my previous posts?

>waste their time developing
this would probably take all of five minutes to do. dev effort is not the issue here,

>>59818755
have you tried ubuntu? i hear its fun for having lots of packages

>>59818762
nice post but i will ignore it again

>>59818788
I hear you're a shit troll.

>>59818796
sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me

>>59818809
Glad you see my point.

>>59818771
>this would probably take all of five minutes to do
Great, then why don't you patch it yourself if that's what you believe? You have yet to demonstrate any need for this feature. Also, have you tried actually submitting a feature request? Do you expect features to be implemented just because you shitpost about wanting it on 4chan?

>>59818816
Not the Anon you're talking with, but I have patched it myself; took about 20 mins if you include compile time.

>>59818718
What de?

>>59818832
Provide evidence. I do not believe you.

>>59818846
KDE.

>>59818849
I do not care, just chiming in. Believe what you like.

>>59818874
>Believe what you like
What I believe has nothing to do with what I like. It has to do with what has evidence supporting it and what does not.

>>59818895
Are you dense? I don't care.

>>59818816
>You have yet to demonstrate any need for this feature.
i pointed out repeatedly why it's likely relevant to the average user and explained my reasoning and why design flaws like that are relevant. you ignore chose to ignore that, as with >>59818330:
some things are down to taste, of course, but structuring the GUI objectively makes sense, as does limiting the use of the selection color to where it's relevant. there simply isn't any reasonable justification not to do these things; personal sensibilities are great and ofc everyone should rice their system to their liking, but your argumentation/dismissal basically comes down to "but i don't like it". that lack of concept and clarity is an issue especially when, and i repeat myself, the lack of structure becomes a problem in more feature rich applications like productive software or system settings with nested menus which often are visually cluttered and confusing to navigate.

>have you tried actually submitting a feature request? Do you expect features to be implemented just because you shitpost about wanting it on 4chan?
i believe if there's a fundamental lack of understanding / interest of the matter in the community as a whole, as clearly there is, doing so would be pretty futile. which is why i don't use KDE or linux in general, as do most people.
>Great, then why don't you patch it yourself?
because I use a different OS. this, again, is besides the point: you asked a question, and i answered. next time you don't want to know the answer to a question, consider not asking.

in any case, i'm done spoonfeeding you this stuff, suit yourself

>>59818981
>I pointed out repeatedly why it's likely relevant to the average user
Okay let's go over your points so far

1. Most people probably don't use the search and recent files sections
I disagree with this assertion. These are most likely used by the majority of KDE users. And the people who are autistic enough to want to remove useful functionality can figure out how to click a checkbox in the settings.
2. Windows has this feature
Not a good reason
3. I want it
Not a good reason

>>59815791
I actually find activities very useful.

>>59819082
As do I. They make context switching easier.

>>59811945
>Explain me why KDE is not the most popular desktop environment ?
You are wrong. It is thhe most popular desktop environment.

>>59819300
I don't use virtual desktops though. Is there a need for it when you have activities? Perhaps I'm missing out?

>>59819600
I use have a different activity for each project. Each project often uses more than one virtual desktop. I typically only have 1-2 applications per monitor per virtual desktop, and never have anything minimized.

>>59818506
"Worse" is certainly subjective. Coming from the standpoint of someone who's worked on user-facing software for several years now, the lack of coherence in the original is frustrating. There's no flow to it at all and the lack of borders does nothing to guide the eyes.

The "tiny fonts" are an attempt at grouping everything in the right half of that bottom bar and making their purpose immediately clear. There are other ways to do this but something is needed. It took me a minute or two figure out that the progress bar was supposed to be another representation of free space. Also, the amount of space these controls take up is disproportionate with their overall importance.

>>59819665
Guess I'll try that out.

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>>59819689
I also went into the kwin keyboard shortcuts in the system settings and bound shortcuts to switch to any given desktop and also for sending windows to particular desktop numbers

>>59819769
Neat. I'll keep that in mind.

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>>59819769

>>59811945
Cinnamon looks nicer

>>59811945
Too many dependencies. Tried to download it through my package manager. The minimal kde install takes up 239 MB and has 444 packages

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>>59815141
>>59815217

>>59811945
gtk3 hates KDE integration

>>59811945
>bloated
>too heavy
>xfce and lxde exist

I don't want something "pretty".
I want something comfy, simple and fast.

>>59811945
i never liked 3 and 4 but 5 is pretty good, shame it's become irrelevant

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>>59817959
>>59818035
>>59818119

Autism incarnate

>>59811945
Anything that you can use consistently without googling "how to configure system settings from terminal" is good.

>>59821841
Kde neon.