>tfw got ryzen >tfw skylake x is right around the corner

>he thinks he'll get anywhere near the overclocks on a Skylake-X (now with even more L2) compared to a Kaby

You're retarded.
While you're waiting for Q3 for Skylake-X, which might or might not be a fucked up launch on Broadwell-E's level, you could have just waited another quarter or two for Zen+

Either way, you're waiting.

>>59810212

I ordered ryzen m8, im just sad that i had to miss out on that 4.5-4.8ghz 6 core cpu

>>59810212
Sky-X L2 cache is 4 times that of KL per core, while L3 has shrunk considerably.

For overclocking this ain't all swell news, the L2 caches run at the speed of the cores as they're private caches, and now you have 4 times the size of what regular Skylake had, while L3 since haswell has been run on its own separate clock domain which was good for OCing as the core clocks didn't impact it much.

>>59810321
You have no right to more performance than we give you, stupid goy. Be grateful that we didn't lock the multipliers.

>>59810212
Everything after Haswell has shit overclock potential

>>59809932
>falling for ayy emm dee meme processors

you have nobody but yourself to blame

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>>59809932
>6 skylake cores instead of 4
>won't fix stuttering issues
>ryzen will still have better minimums
>ryzen will still feel "smoother"

>>59810432

>kaby lake has shit overclock potential
>most chips OC to 5ghz

Had to do 7 captchas to post this btw

>>59810475

There are barely any stuttering issues unless you're running shit in the background, and moar cores will fix that

>>59810316
>4.5-4.8ghz 6 core cpu
TDP? :^)

>>59810475
>lower minimums matter when your average doesn't get above 10 fps

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why do people say Ryzen can't OC?

>>59810893
Kinda weird, can OC higher than Intel 8 cores on LN2, but can't go higher on air.

>>59810838

>caring about power consumption

Faggot

>>59810893
Because nobody actually gives a shit about LN2 OC, the only relevant kind of OC is the kind you can run 24/7 to get a legitimate performance boost while you're actually using the system.

>>59810893

How long would a CPU last if it was run consistently on that voltage ( 1.9v)?

>>59810838
Nobody gives a shit as long as most CPUs can get there and achieve stability. I'd throw a custom water loop on Ryzen if it could reach 4.8GHz, but it can't.

>>59810946
It's okay to melt the socket when it's Intel

>>59810966
I'm hoping for a decent pelteir plate. Roughly would been one that's 140W.
While they're cheep at around $10. They consume 140W.
That should cool it to 10-15c when clocked.

>>59811364
>>59810989
Before:
>BUT AYYMD HOUSEFIRES!!!
How ironic.

>buy product
>when successor to product will release next year

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TFW you avoided the Intel backdoor

>>59810893
>>59810970
Speaking of.
Is it the heat, or intensity that does the damage?
As in the voltage physically displacing materials in the chip. Or just the heat generated melting transistors.
While ln2 gets the temps down on measurement, internally may be molten, yes?

>>59810893
Let me just go out and buy some LN2 every time I want to do anything with my CPU.

>>59809932
Just bought a 7700k for $350 and don't give a fuck. I'm gaming so w.e

>>59810893
>5.8ghz
>world record

>>59810488
Wow, you're a mouthbreathing retard shill that can't even figure out how to use legacy captcha. Most i7-7700K can't even hit 4.9. i7-7740K won't do much better.

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>>59809932
>skylake x 6 core
>140W TDP

How can Intel is so much worse in efficiency than AMD?

>>59811824
By spending 5 years straight counting their shekels and shrinking dies instead of actually doing something with their architecture.

>>59811824
>launch windows
>q3-q4

Meanwhile Zen2 is Q1 next year and the 16 core MCMs are out by June

I have haswell i5 and I will never buy Intel shit again.
With backdoors and they wont even let you watch netflix 4k unless you have kaby lake

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>>59809932
>all this shilling for ryzen and skylake
>mfw the cancer that is AMD PSP/Intel ME
>implying you even need the performance boost

This board is beyond saving.

>>59811824
How can you be is so bad in grammar?

>>59811974
what are they going to improve in Zen2?

>>59812084
The hell if I know, but they promised a "tock, tock, tock".

What I see as potential things to fix and add:

More I/O
IF datapaths from 32b to 64b for consumer chips, reducing need for higher clocked memory
256bit FPU pipes
Wider integer units(could use another AGU)
High clocking Glofo/Samsung process for consumer dies
Lower latency L1
Lower latency memory controller
2900MHz supported memory

Of course these are big things, there's rarely ever one big thing that improves performance, it's a combination of everything, and zen2 is likely to have more registers, retire/store/load queues which is natural for a new generation.

What I expect is some 7-10% higher IPC and higher clocks from these things combined.

>>59812084
Mostly this >>59812172
Biggest impact with next Zen iteration is going to be clockspeeds undoubtedly. I think better pipeline optimization and improved process from Samsung/GF should give Zen2 higher clockspeeds just like Intel did with improved process from Skylake to Kabylake.

>>59812509
Imagine a 20% IPC increase, they did say zen2 was 15% more than Zen a while ago.
Who'd even need clocks then?

>>59812068
Look pal we've already got enough shitposts flying around without the "muh freedumbs" crowd chiming in.

>>59811813
>Most i7-7700K can't even hit 4.9
>As of 2/22/17, the top 78% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 4.9GHz or greater
>Most

Really makes you think.

>>59812576
>Silicon Lottery recommends having Kaby Lake processors delidded for the best overclocking experience.

Yes goy void your warantee for more MHz

How many people here have actually bought Ryzen? Seems like a lot of shilling when most people still buy Intel.

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>>59812767
What's up now, huh? Huh?! Step to me, nigga.

>>59812784

Do you do gaymen only or also "productivity"?

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>>59812767
watch me nigger

>>59812784
Whoa, nice Vcore for that clock.

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>tfw I'm sitting it out
Noobs

>>59809932
>>59810316

I want to buy kaby lake, but it says i have to install windows 10 :(((

>>59812834
I use it for work mainly. I don't play many games any more. I still have my PS3 though because I want to play Persona 5.

>>59812869
That's mid-idle downvolt desu fampai. I need just over 1.3V for 3.9 and couldn't get 4 stable even at 1.45V, so gave up.

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>>59812914
The "I have given up on life" solution to the high end CPU wars.

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>>59809932
Still will come with those shitty intel clips. Thank god I have an alternative cooler with a backplate because I am sick of these intel cpu clips which suck ass.

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>tfw bought kabylake pentium $70
>Single thread performance better than all of Ryzen, only slightly less than top-tier i7s
>Don't do any fancy video editing or rendering so I don't need the extra cores

pic is me counting all the money I saved

>>59813041

can you run windows 7 on it?

>>59813051
I don't use software that doesn't respect my freedoms.

>>59813075

i respect you freedoms.

>>59813041
Great Facebook machine there, might as well get a phone.

>>59813090
Runs any game or emulator on max settings ON linux drivers. Can't ask for anything better.

>>59810946
Found the NEET.

>>59813041
>Single thread performance better than all of Ryzen, only slightly less than top-tier i7s

Neither of those things are true though. Any Ryzen chip overclocked past its frequency will outperform it in single core, and an overclocked 7700K is 30%+ faster per core.

It's a nice chip for the money, but you fags always have to go nuts and pretend these budget CPUs have zero flaws and you got the world's best deal.

>>59810946
Enjoy your housefires.

>>59813201

>implying the 10 dollars you'll save per year make a difference

Poorfag detected

>>59813212
>Zero flaws
Only flaw is that it's made by a Jewish company that locks it down so no OCing
>World's best deal
It is.

>>59810639
>he closes all his apps when does his gaymen

>>59813300
Okay champ, you come back in a year and tell us how that dual core is working out for you. Hell, it'll only take six months if the G3258 is anything to go by. Another "great deal" from a company known for handing out such things. :^)

>>59813340
Alright I will. I'll see you exactly one year from this post date.

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>>59809932
>tfw skylake single core performance on 6 cores will now be the same price as Ryzen

Why is there endless anti AMD threads on /g/ these days? It's like there people are paid to shitpost against AMD or something.

>>59813446
T-t-there's no w-way that's true

>>59813446
Even if AMD is as shitty as these threads make them out to be, most people would just accept it and move on..

>>59813414

I dont see anything wrong with that sentence

>>59813749
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but I think op is implying that Intel is going to sell a 6c12t CPU at the same prices as Ryzen. Which will never happen. I bet 20 good boy points that the cheapest Intel 6c will be over $500.

>>59814340

6800k was about 400-440 dollars, which is right around the price of a 1700x (at launch)

>>59811505
Congrats cunt. Enjoy your AMD backdoor

next consumer i7 is guaranteed to use a new platform, right?

>>59814562
>6800k
Fair enough, my estimate was off. But that's still a $400+ for 6c while Ryzen's 6cs are nearly half of that.

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>>59812975
>post YFW one of these breaks

>>59812084
From what I remember

1) make the fpu better
2) decouple the core connections from ram, or increase what it latches onto (currently if you got ddr 3200 it runs at 1700)

These are at least what I see as the major updates.

>>59812172
any news on the CCX latency?

>>59814711
till software/hardware/firmware catches up, intel 10 > intel 8 > ryzen 8 > intel 6 > ryzen 6 > intel 4 > ryzen 4 > intel 2

for almost any consumer application.

there are instances where ryzen does better then intel 10 core but home use does not see that in anything but unicorn applications.

intel 6 core skylake cpus will house fire hard if they don't solder them, and as some games use 6 cores more often then 8 cores, ryzen 8 will likely still be overall the better choice.

>>59811417
amd amd fucking killed motherboards like a motherfucker if you used the 9000 or overclocked the 8000 and had no real clue what you were doing.

Amd gets to speak from experience, these cpus will be literal fires at those watt levels when you push them, fuck kabby lake already touches the 9000 stock watt use when you hit 4.8~ with it.

>>59813245
at stock and idle ryzen is around 65-95 watts, overclocked to 4.0 its starting to push 200

stock 6 core skylake is already pushing 140 watts.

>>59810316
>4.8 ghz on a 6 core enthusiast CPU.
Just cancelled my r7 1700 order
Thanks mate.

>>59811759
full 8 core oc, not single core

>>59812767
waiting on the motherboard I want to come in stock to buy everything.

>>59809932
Wait... Does this mean that 7900k (the 8 core cpu) will be around 600 dollars? If so I can with confidence say that AMD did it. They stopped the monopoly.

>>59813340
the difference is 50%+ cpuse used for gaming have 4 threads, companies cant write a 7600k off just because it has 4 threads, so the i3 and pentiums will likely last longer then the dual core dual thread cpu did,

>>59813640
lol as shitty as these threads make it out to be? these threads make amd sound like a pentium 4 compared to an overclocked 7700k

fact is amd with this cpu came into the realm of good enough performance, won on efficiency, and when the apus come out, will be fun to see what laptops go with.

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>>59810316
>>59815411
>believing a 6-core will reach 4.8 at non-housefire temps and less than 200 W
silly

>>59811724
> for $350

Point and laugh boys

Intel's 6 core mainstream won't be out till 2018.

Of course when it does, and might go back into the gutter.

>>59815628
>being poor
Point and laugh boys

>>59815486
Hah. No. Intel won't undercut themselves that much.

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>>59809932
Can't believe you're missing out on the next great product from Intel(tm)

>>59811724
Enjoy not being able to run games without stuttering when you have a browser open in the background.

>>59811567
Also interested in this. Anyone knowledgeable?

>>59818260
If there were any certified EEs on this board they'd probably have fucked off long ago or risked losing their mind at all the retardation constantly being spouted around here.

>>59816387
The king has returded

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>>59809932
and it even comes with embedded spyware!

JustWait™

Intel Wait Lake

>intelfags on suicide watch

>>59819166
Just Wait(tm) for 140+watt housefires.

>>59811567

Its the voltage. Going above 1.4v on 14nm will cause electromigration, which is that the electrons in the silicon atoms will start to migrate to nearby atoms. This causes the original atom and the atom being migrated to to fall apart from instability caused by either too low of an electron count or too high of an electron count.

There is no way around this, the only option is to optimize your silicon to run at higher clockspeeds with the same amount of voltage. CPUs today are voltage bound, the thermal bound oc limit myth is a relic from the 45nm and upwards era.

>>59812915
Then get Win 10 you fag

>>59809932
>6-core jewtel
It will stutter even harder than the housefire abortion that is 7700k

>>59810946
>housefires are ok

>>59813041
You should have bought a phone instead. At least you have mobility.

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>>59819166
Please delet dis, sir

will zen2 still have AM4 socket?

>>59820638
Yes, there is a clear upgrade path for Zen CPUs and motherboards.

>>59820638
Yup. AM4 is going to be in use until DDR5.

>>59810893
Because it literally can't.

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>>59820739
Ddr5 when? Rumor says around 2020

>>59822532
>Ddr5
2 years at the least.

>>59809932
>140W

>a new fucking socket

computers are memes

>>59809932

Who gives a shit? The only time to kick yourself is when you miss the golden CPU.

Q6600
2500K

6 core skylake is not going to clock 4.8 without melting your mobo VRMs.

>>59822650
Are you sure about that?

>>59816387
>Intel Designed Housefire Solution
KEK