BIOS Update Drastically Increases Ryzen’s Game Performance

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>>59707109

>>59707109
>redgamingtech
redteam+

>>59707141
I looked in the about and it seems to be named that because the main guys has the handle "crimsonrayne"

Which is edgy as fuck but that's a separate matter.

>>59707109
Intel getting blown the fuck out with every update

>>59707109
Is this real or fake? Any other sources on this?

so when are they going to fix the broken IOMMU shit?

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>>59707109
>RedGamingTech
Haha. Yeah, no.

>>59707132
I want to hold hands with amada

>>59707758
I want to walk her home gently

>>59707637

After they get the memory controller sorted out this month.

>>59707739

Faggot. He has no affiliation with AMD.

He covers all aspects of gaming from PC's to consoles.

>>59707912
Consoles are AMD

>>59707912
The only aspect of gaming that matters is the Intel+Nvidia one

>>59707782
Working on that Harem, I see.

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I ordered my Ryzen system over a month ago and I'm still waiting for a motherboard to show up at my door.

was thinking of upgrading to Ryzen 1600X from my Skylake i7-6700K once ITX mobos come out with X300 chipset. discovered that my fast ram doesn't work at rated speeds on ryzen. my dual ranked dimms (G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3200 @ 14-14-14-34) wont clock to my specifications as they do on my i7-6700K.

Maybe some BIOS updates will happen that will let this RAM shine, but totally pointless right now.

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>>59708427
>was thinking of upgrading to Ryzen 1600X from my Skylake i7-6700K
KEK

>>59707637
That's a motherboard issue, you should contact ASUS/ASROCK/MSI/etc for that

>>59708197
>mobos still MIA

Either nobody is literally making them(which is retarded), or there's very high demand.

>>59708427

yes they will. its just bios issues that are being ironed out almoast daily

You know this is FAKE, right?

BIOS has nothing to do with performance, performance comes from the CPU, not motherboard, if your USB is bugged then you need a BIOS update, if your chip is shit performance then you don't need a BIOS update.

Really clueless tech illiterate people everywhere.

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>>59708834

>>59708834
BIOS can apply microcode updates to the CPU, like to fix a bug causing poor performance.

>>59708834
Nice try, intel shill. Everybody but you seems to understand that your computer is constantly switching into virtual86 mode to run legacy hardwired real-mode binaries so the NSA can spy on you. You won't convince us otherwise at this point

The DRAM latency reduction AGESA update hasn't even hit.

>>59707109
this guy seems to have downs

I don't want to overclcock my rig, I am seriously thinking of sending the cpu and motherboard back and buying an i7 7700k rig. I am not an engineer nor did I pay 1300 Canadian dollars to beta test a platform that AMD rushed out the door before it was ready!

>>59707109
How true is this? Next week i will buy new cpu and mobo so... I'm between i7 7700 and R7 1700.


Wat do /g/ ?

A M D - Wait (tm) For the Drivers (r)

JUST GIVE ME $100 i5 6400S IN CANADIAN PESOS

>>59709181
Who is this semen demon?

>>59707109
If you watch the video he mentions the largest performance increases were in games like Hitman and Tomb Raider, two games that were giving Ryzen a hard time.

What do you think happened on the BIOS side? What can happen? Can a microcode update fix some CCX issues?

>>59709277
BIOS deals with P-states, which are rather critical when performance is in question, but I don't think this is sorely due to BIOS updates, Windows updates should do some lifting in this case as well

>>59709187
AMDrones don't know what to do if they're not waiting for something.

>>59709406
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3186781/processors/intels-cannonlake-pc-chip-shipments-may-slip-into-next-year.html#tk.rss_news

It's a good thing we're in this together :P

>>59709426
>Those 8th Generation Core laptops may be more attractive to customers. The first 10-nm Cannonlake chips will be slower than 14-nm 8th Generation Core processors. Intel acknowledged the speeds during the manufacturing event, with a chart showing 10-nm chips catching up with 14-nm chip performance in one to two years.


WHAT INT HE FUCK

>>59708427
Your RAM will most likely work and if not, there's gonna be a BIOS update coming. The issue here is "upgrading" from a 6700k to a 1600x - not even a 1800x would qualify as an upgrade unless you're doing heavily multithreaded workloads.

>>59708427
You got a Skylake that's the same shit as Kabylake, just clocked slightly lower, are you retarded? Why would you upgrade?

If anything your upgrade should either be a 10 core or higher.

>>59708427
>Ryzen 1600X from my Skylake i7-6700K
Dude, your 6700k will absolutely trash a 1600x in gaming.

Just overclock it a bit and it'll wreck an 1800x too. Hell it'll probably be a bit faster at stock.

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>>59709131
You ever see a post and think "no self respecting 4chan memer would use sentence structure and punctuation like this" and then you remember how often people claim paid shills are around here?

>>59708041
Nintendo Switch is Nvidia and Wii U was IBM+ATi
Nice try shill

>>59709828
>Nintendo Switch is Nvidia

I guess that explains the heat, slowdown, and dropped frames

>>59709859
Kek

>>59709584
(You)

>>59707109
You have to be pretty desperate to shill this badly and make up lies.

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>>59710499
No one does it better than Intel.

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>>59708834
>>59708834
>BIOS has nothing to do with performance

>>59710771
>Basic Input/Output system
>has anything to do with how fast CPU does stuff

>>59708041
the ps3 was also nvidia + ibm

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>>59707132

>>59710771
Does anyone know where I can get those printed and screened on posters?
I want to hang them in my office.

>>59711381
The twitter handle is on the image, remember to tack on ":orig" to the end of any twitter image url
e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8bY7ooUwAAhke0.jpg:orig
to get the same size file as was uploaded.
If you want to know where to print something search for a print shop.

>>59710771
Well, it doesn't, unless the OS you're running is shit, or the "performance" you're trying to clock is during boot time.

Early OSs used to have a parenthetical relationship between launch chaining and syscall chaining, as follows:
>hardware is hard-wired to start BIOS
>BIOS starts [bootloader which in turn kills itself after starting] kernel
>kernel supports starting programs
>program queries kernel
>kernel queries BIOS
>BIOS operates hardware

Now it's usually more like this:
>hardware is hard-wired to start BIOS
>BIOS kills itself after starting [bootloader which in turn kills itself after starting] kernel
>kernel supports starting programs
>program queries kernel
>kernel bypasses BIOS and directly operates hardware

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>>59707109
AMD strong.

As someone said, the BIOS controls hardware P and C state tables, which are critical to the performance of the CPU

>>59707109
very reliable source... not

>>59711520
BIOS UPDATES DON'T EXIST OKAY WHY WOULD ANYONE UPDATE THEIR BIOS ANYWAY THAT'S NERD SHIT

>>59708453
(you)

>>59711520
ITS NOT RELIABLE BECAUSE I SAID SO GOYIM

>>59709039
That'll get decent 3200mhz kits down to below 70ns, faster kits will hit 60ns.
Not terribly far off from intel's 45-50ns.

Most of these gaming kids don't understand technology anyhow. They just shitpost to bait people. Those who do actually know their shit do not pick 'teams' they pick whichever has the best bang for buck and not at launch. Intel and Nvidia have had their share of shitty launches in the past. The trouble is most of the posters on this board are too fucking young to remember or care. Anyhow. The wait meme is right. For *ALL* company launches. Buying a brand new platform at launch is stupid. I purchased a RX480 which I enjoy. But I jumped the shark somewhat since a couple of months later I could have purchased a better binned version with lower power usage and higher overclocking potential. Being at the cutting edge is always risky.

I don't see any reason to spend money on mobo+ryzen+cpu cooler+Windows because I have a 6600k which gonna be enough for 2 more years. If you're a gaymer you most likely have a similar cpu, so who's gonna buy ryzen?

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>>59709500
>intel performance gains so bad they sliped into negative

>>59713258
Everyone's sitting on Sandy/Ivy, people who actually want/need moarcoarz, some AMD fans? Good fucking competetive CPUs, what's not to like?

>>59708197

don't worry, I'm sure the Taiwanese child slaves are working 23 hours a day at least. You can play your video game soon white man

>>59711135
>>59711467
Oh my sweet summer children. Neither of you understand how hardware works.

>>59713296
I have a 4690k and I hope amd's equivalent to the i7 is competitive. That way I don't have to upgrade my mobo if I want a newer cpu fuck that shit

I have a gsync display so no vega for me. I still hope vega is as good as ryzen is shaping up to be

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>>59707739
Y-y-yeah red means he works for AMD

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>>59710520
Hmm.....

>>59714033
It is competetive, yet they need to fix AM4 platform in general.

>>59713296
ivy i5 user, just wait™ing for ryzen 2

>>59714145
1700 is $329 though

>>59714119
This.

>>59714150
>its competitive

there aren't any legit reviews out yet. fuck anything that comes out before embargo is lifted

>>59708834
How much is the pay shilling for Intel?

>>59714174
Considering people tested 2+2 configs, it's competetive, but I'd take these 'tests' with a grain of salt anyway.

>>59714193
Not everyone who points out a fake is a paid shill.

>>59714203
Oh, sorry.
Nice to meet you, Schlomit.

>>59714196
I personally am waiting for gamers nexus because they strike the balance of producing content that is detailed, rigorous, and easy to understand for me. Also their focus of gaming lines up with my hobby. I am cautiously optimistic for the rest of ryzen, though I'm not sure my cpu cooler is transferrable to AM4. It has the AM3 bracket at least

>>59714256
Contact the manufacturer, most are shipping AM4 brackets free long as you prove you need them.

>>59714256
>shilling nexus
At least say Wendell, schlomo.

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>>59708834
This is the state of /g/ in 2017
infested with plebbitors

>>59714269
Well that's nice to know. My processor isn't too old yet at least.

>>59714308
They praised the 1700 for its outstanding performance especially when compared to the i7 6800 line, but that doesn't matter to shit posters.

>>59709149
Buy a 1400, 1600, or 1700

>>59709149
Do you game exclusively or do other stuff that can leverage 16 threads? The answer is obvious

>>59709149
get 1600x=1800x

>>59714363
Their testing methodology was still full of shit.

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>>59713344

>>59713344
XD

>>59713344
>t. (((White))) man

>>59713344
lol :3

>>59714416
please elaborate

>>59714390
not even other tasks that leverage 16 threads, do you play games and have a video on in the background? maybe a long youtube podcast or something?

Do you have other programs open at the same time as you game?

Do you shut everything down when you want to game and boot up fresh?

Most benchmarks are done when the computer has a bare minimum of other applications running, not a real world use scenario, at least in my experience.

>>59714505
>Do you have other programs open at the same time as you game?

Nope. How can you be watching a youtube video while gaming? You can't be engaged fully in both, especially not if you are playing multiplayer. I don't understand people who do this. An i7 is sufficient for background applications, but I understand that amd is closing the performance gap between the 1700 and i7.

>>59711467
>>59708834
Its not boot times. Its power regulation which is managed by the UEFI (Which isnt basic at all. Its the firmware that runs the motherboard and the chipset underneath.)

But most importantly. Which is a point that all the shills in this thread have ignored and tried to sweep under the rug. "BIOS" updates contain microcode. And if you seriously deny that microcode impacts performance, maybe you should remind Intel of that too. And then they'll stop releasingg their many updates per quarter.

The differences between Ryzen and Kaby Lake are that Ryzen is getting updates every week which can't piggyback on kernel updates because kernel patches aren't released that frequently. And Kaby Lake is just Sky Lake with better power management and a newer chipset. All the microcode debugging for this arch is already done. Its no secret that Ryzen is the testing platform for when AMD released Naples for the server market.

Now fuck off.

Will Naples bring the Shoah to Intel finally?

>>59714560
Yes. Its already shoah with Skylake-X being housefires.

>>59714560
Yes. Check my digits.

>>59714565
>130W in 14 nm
>doesn't perform better than anterior Xeons
>still needs a new socket
Kek

>>59714552
>>59714505
>Most benchmarks are done when the computer has a bare minimum of other applications running, not a real world use scenario, at least in my experience.
And this is completely useless for me. I want those i3s and i5s tested against ryzen with 100 tabs open in chrome and youtube 1080p video in the background.

Lads, is there info about Ryzen hackintosh?

>>59714598
you already see this with the i7, compared to ryzen, the i7 is 95-99% used in games that use 4 cores, that means if anything happens in the background, massive fucking stutter. The i5 and i3 are worse then this in real world use.

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>>59714591
F-forget about Naples, goy. Out chips will keep your datacenter warm.

>>59714591
honestly if intel wasn't retarded and didn't make new sockets every few weeks they'd be looked at as a good idea for servers.. but when AMD is even "about on par" (not to mention naples is gonna btfo them) it's a better buy, since you can upgrade with the same socket.. that's why TITAN went for opterons even though they never took that upgrade to piledriver
it's weird though honestly like, ebay has $5000 chips for $100 a year after they come out usually
fucking people needing that 1% upgrade

>>59714625
The good think is that if I can't build an Ryzen hackintosh I will have plenty of Intel Xeons to fuck with it, albeit with inferior performance.

>>59713344
>[Triggered]

>>59714654
yea, maybe.. you'll see some pretty high tier xeons coming on ebay I bet. some with quad QPI and can have a 4 CPU motherboard rofl

Does hackintosh support anything that OS X doesn't, ever? I haven't done any without simple stuff like i5's or i3's and no GPU

if so then maybe ryzen will work but I thought they were pretty specific on hardware so you might have to wait for OS X to support ryzen chips in their laptops or some shit then it's a good go

if you give me an iso I can just make a bootable flash drive with I'll try it right now..
I'm on a 1700X with asus ROG mobo

>>59714500
It didn't give the results I wanted!

>>59707739
>>59707912
>>59708041

This is getting fucking good

>>59714666
Filevault still isn't supported, even with clover. Outside of that, it's a viable alternative.
I was reading on insanelymac forums that actually no hackintosh bootloader supports. And also I haven't a hackintosh ready iso of a bootable USB. If you want you could try torrent some macOS VM and create a bootable usb from here.

>>59714705
naw I'm too lazy fuck OS X

their shitty OS can't work with a grub bootloader what the fuck?
this is why I hate microsoft & apple
if the entire world stopped using both overnight 99% of software would work on loonix and ganoo in about 2 days

>>59709587
yes, but I would not discard the change of him being a simple retard

>>59714730
>their shitty OS can't work with a grub bootloader what the fuck?
It can, the problem is it will work only in Apple Hardware.
The macOS framework first locates if there's a driver for a SMC chip (A glorified fan controller) and then load some keys from it. These keys are used to decrypt key processes like Finder, Dock and some APIs. Also, their drivers are loaded in function of what Apple motherboard it's running, and their correspondent ACPI. As I understand, Grub can't modify and patch the ACPI on the fly like Clover can, so it will no boot, even with FakeSMC driver, because drivers will talk chinese to the motherboard.
Grub Works, but only on Macs. In other mobos you need a bootloader capable of patching Darwin on the fly or redirect the ACPI of the drivers, or some shit like that.
>stopped using both overnight 99% of software would work on loonix and ganoo in about 2 days
Haha, keep dreaming. Probably will took 5 years in the best of cases. The first two big companies will try to forcefully end the balkanization in GNU/Linux platform and fix some shit in the graphics and kernel before attemping to uniform the API there.
Or worst, they will shill Android as a desktop operating system.

>>59714730
>if the entire world stopped using both overnight 99% of software would work on loonix and ganoo in about 2 days

and then 50% of that would be broken week later after kernel update

>>59714785
>the first two years
My fault. Fucking autistic language

>>59714552
>You can't be engaged fully in both, especially not if you are playing multiplayer. I don't understand people who do this.
MMO faggots and anyone stuck waiting for matchmaking bullshit when they're expected to sit there doing fucking nothing for a few minutes

>>59709500
lmao this is an april fool's joke right?

>>59707109
>20%+ increase
noice
i hope jewtel and its reign of jewish prices get fucked in the ass multiple times in the future

>>59714789
the kernel devs are some of the most anal people when it comes to not breaking userspace

I know you're just trolling, but at least try to make it funny or something

>>59715722
Kernel devs, perhaps, but the distro ones don't care if that means improvements.

>>59707109
Haha fake, BIOS can't change much performance, this is clickbait for the stupid

>>59715755
You seem to be an Arch user.

>>59708197
Check your local computer store. Microcenter if you have one. I refreshed Newegg and Amazon for days looking for either a K7 or a Taichi to be in stock, yet happened to go up to MC with my friend. Walked in. Happened to check mobile shelf. There's like 5 K7 and 3 or 4 Taichi. Got the K7 but the website for the store had NO indication they might be there. Check if you can. Fuck online retailers.

>>59714369
Only that a i5-6400 (for example) can be overclocked on a suitable board with the corresponding bios up to 4.5 GHz + -. Then Ryzen 5 1400 will be utterly crushed in any given game.

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>>59707109
No vendor will spend money of a post-development motherboard OP, stop being a drone.

>>59707109
Fake

>>59713260
fucking gainz overflow

>>59719163
I must admit, that pic is pretty damn funny.
still getting a 1700 :^)

>>59707109
Kill yourself you stupid spic

>>59707109
Rypooo is shit, just deal with it !

>a bios update fixed the 25.5Gbps
How fucking delusional.

>>59708834
This is so funny

>>59714785
>5 years
no, it'd be a week at the very most

>>59716380

I did the same, except with memory express here in Canada.

Just waiting for April 11th so I can get my R5 1600 now.

>>59720870
Don't buy Ryzen, get a i5-K
Much superior overclocking and IPC

>>59722140
>threadlet CPU
Lmao look at him.

>>59708197
I had to wait an extra week for my motherboard to arrive from preorder.

AMD SHILLS BTFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cHJ7FDZKg8

>>59724135
>Gamers Nexus
Lol

>>59724135
Get a haircut you fucking mongrel and stop advertising your crap on /g/

>>59724135
Is this the little girl who cried about being told mean things on the internet by some AMD fanboy or is this the guy who got mad that AMD didn't send him free stuff?

>>59724215
The former, the latter is the guy who manages to blow up his hardware every few weeks.

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>>59724135
pretty based desu
> pic related

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>>59724135
It looks like the difference has narrowed down to 5-10 FPS. Not exactly something to celebrate, shilltel. And keep in mind the AMD setup will still be cheaper because it comes with a cooler and doesn't require an overpriced OC-capable motherboard.

>>59724454
>>59724461
You're both retarded for watching a guy with an obvious agenda, he's the same as Linus, a worthless paid fag.

>>59724461
Yup. The cooler is decent and Ryzen 7 can be OC'd to 4 Ghz even on the cheapest of B350 boards because of the voltage wall. AMD's been kicking ass lately (e.g bios updates, infinity fabric ram boost, consistently good drivers).

>>59724135

All he needs to do now is test an AMD gpu on Ryzen.

>>59724541
AMD fucked up for not bundling the wraith MAX with the 1700X/1800X.

>>59724498
Gamer Nexus is the only one that does a pretty good and well documented research, this new video shows the REAL improvement of all those bios and OS updates, meanwhile other Youtubers are just bullshiting showing unreal improvements with no proof at all.

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>>59724461
>still losing to a fucking i5

>>59724588
GN is trash like 99% of youtube reviewers.
They're possibly even worse because of all the company drama they're involved with.

>>59724590
Yes I'm literally crying tears of rage just like your retarded strawman over 3.5 FPS despite that I own an i7 and Nvidia graphics card.

>>59724588

It's all meaningless if the driver for the GPU gimps the CPU.

>>59724461
>6900k OCd tanks in minimum frames

Great fucking review, you fucking idiot.
Why do these retards put these reviews out when nonsense results like this exist?

>>59724646
yeah, but remember the top AMD GPU is a fucking RX480? Now we wait® for Vega and redo the tests.

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>he fell for the rypoo meme

AYYMDFAGS BTFO

>>59724669
* Fury X

>>59724669

I'd that the only way to create a CPU bottleneck?

Think carefully before you answer.

>>59724669
Top AMD current GPU is the Fury X, which is like 10% slower than a 1070, that's more than fine for 1080p and light 1440p

>>59724698

We're trying to create a CPU bottleneck to test the drivers though.

>>59724677
Nvidia GraphWorksTM

[spoiler]
Requires Geometry Engine 5.0 (Volta only)[/spoiler]

>>59724716
So lower the resolution? Historically Nvidia did much better than AMD on lower resolution.


Optimally if you can't wait for Vega just test 480 vs 1060 or Fury X vs a slightly underclocked 1070.

>>59724677
nice graph scale
have your (you) and leave

>>59724677
>144
>142
>massive gap between them
These types of graphs are always dumb no matter who it is meant to be comparing.

>>59724779
That's the fucking joke, and you aren't meant to point it out.

>>59724820
Doesn't make the joke any better.

>>59724560
Yeah that kinda sucks. But the Spire is pretty capable. It can do 3.9 Ghz.

>>59724762

It's like you faggots learned nothing watching adoreds video.

Crossfire 480s gave Ryzen a 30fps jump over a single 1070 on Ryzen.

If the gap is closed similarly with say a Fury X and a 1070 in the same benchmark, then we know we have a problem with Nvidia drivers. And all these test results show is a slight improvement.

>>59724653
6900k could have been throttling, can't explain the low min frames otherwise.

Just logging something like CPU usage/temps should have shown this, too bad the fag is too retarded to have this running instead just posts results without doing any investigation.

>>59724617
Still doesn't change the fact that's it's a worse CPU than an intel at half its price.

>>59724846

He doesn't want to show how over rated his bullshit testing is.

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>>59707132

>>59724135
>this review is brought to you by nvidia
Couldn't make it up.

AMD shills got BTFO a long time ago.

They are resistant to facts, so it doesn't matter, they will always live in their small bubbles.

>>59724860
Kill yourself, retard.

>>59716062
Seeing as a BIOS update fixed a core timeout error* on my i7-3700k.. I believe it.

>*core number 3 btw

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>>59724677

>>59724716

MultiGPU?
Lower resolution?

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>>59724984

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>>59708834

>>59725041

Lower resolution. So throw a 1070 and a Fury X in the lowest resolution you can.

Then benchmark and see what the results were. If the gap on Ryzen and Nvidia cards is there, then all these tests are fucking garbage until Nvidia gets off their ass and releases a patch. Or AMD stops jerking each other off and releases Vega.

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>>59724498
well we still have the guy from Tech Deals left if you tellin the truth and I like him best

>>59724677
thats looks like something Linus would throw together

>>59707109
haha nice try dirty homeless guy

>>59724498
but linus isn't gay. i think you're gay for saying he's gay. you gay

New thread?
GamerNexus analysis is better than redgamingtech


>>59724771
>>59724771
>>59724771
>>59724771