Nvidia's shitty DX12 driver API is what's gimping

>>59682519
not all the benches, but a good number of the ones that make it look like absolute shit.

What does this has to do specially with ryzen and not all the other CPU architectures out there?

>>59684370
how about you watch the videos?

>>59684382
I'm not going to watch shill videos, when I can have a discussion.

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>>59682519
>our single core performance is shit
>lets blame the competition's GPU drivers
>even though ours have been shit forever
>and no one uses DX12

Good arguments anon.

>but you're just an intel/nvidia shill

I actually want Ryzen for a new video encoding build. I'm willing to admit it loses to Intel in applications that don't utilize all the cores, why aren't you?

>>59684370
guys logic is that nvidia should make drivers and hardware best capable to take advantage of DX12

this would make ryzen look better in benches
seems that in comparision with AMD DX12 drivers there is a lot of space for improvement

>>59684403
he got some ground to stand there, if X from company A performs vastly differently than X from company B... its some info you have that you did not have before

>>59684403
also, go kill yourself anime loser weaboo faggot

>>59684403
>our single core performance is shit
>benchmarks like Cinebench and CPU-Z say otherwise

Hmm, who to trust?

In The Division benchmark Nvidia DX11 gets higher FPS than Nvidia DX12.

Why isn't the argument about the developer being a lazy shit that can't even write their own game to be faster than Nvidia's DX11 Driver software compiler instead of just blaming Drivers/Rizen/Nvidia/AMD?

It's not like this is the first time we've seen developers fail at DX12, Quantum Break also runs faster in Nvidia DX11 than Nvidia DX12.


Also the simple fact that DX11 runs better blows this whole argument out of the window, DX11 is the baseline and DX12 shouldn't run worse than it unless you fuck up somewhere.

>>59684435
>I understand things at basic levels
>there is no complexity in my life
>I enjoy the glorious IQ of 74

>>59684444
You should explain yourself.

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>>59684403
>our single core performance is shit

Nice meme.

>>59684435
Because you'd need to be a tech-illiterate retard to make that argument. It's well known that Nvidia's driver has a massive advantage over AMD's in DX11 due to the fact that it's multithreaded (whilst AMD's isn't, which is their failing). However, in DX12 it only runs on a single thread, which is why they struggle so much for performance in relative terms.

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>>59684426
>begin surprised ATI video cards preform better with AMD CPUs

It's almost like they tested them together and programmed the drivers to target that CPU. Nah, couldn't be, it's not like that hardware is made by the same company or anything.

>Ryzenfags still made
>Ryzenfags still saying games don't matter
>Ryzenfags still saying the drivers will get better with time
>Ryzenfags still worried about losing to an i5 in benchmarks when a few fps don't even matter
>Ryzenfags still shitting up /g/ and every other tech board on the internet with this cancer

>>59684403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5mxFfkr7g

>>59684461
> It's well known that Nvidia's driver has a massive advantage over AMD's in DX11 due to the fact that it's multithreaded (whilst AMD's isn't, which is their failing). However, in DX12 it only runs on a single thread, which is why they struggle so much for performance in relative terms.

So the game developer failed to even match Nvidia's DX11 driver performance, how is this Nvidia's/Ryzen/AMD fault?

There are games that actually run better in DX12 for both AMD and Nvidia like the new Gears of Wars you know.

Sniper Elite 4 also have good DirectX12 support, having better performance than the DirectX 11renderer for both AMD and Nvidia.

>>59684477
>trusting microsoft pajeet code
I could list several reasons why that's a bad idea but i'll just start with one
>Windows 10

>>59684403
Actually what it's showing is that whether you have an AMD or an Intel CPU, you're better off with an AMD GPU than an Nvidia GPU if you're going to run a game in dx12.

Which we already knew.

>>59684493
See
>>59684491


I guess every good working DX12 game is now a shill game or something?

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>>59684464
>begin surprised ATI video cards preform better with AMD CPUs
nope
same with go with 2011 socket cpus you retard

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>>59684508
>trusting microsoft
Okay good goyim, but I warned you

>>59684464
so why begin suprised when intle and nvideo did gud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myPRNtifMaA

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>>59684530
>>59684574
>implying I even watched OPs embed

Stay mad Ryzenfags. Anyone that feels the need to justify their purchase of first generation hardware has and will always be cancer.

>mfw waitfags didn't wait

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>>59684611

>>59684574
You've got to at least test ryzen's v corei's on a radeon gpu

probably should have a second/sub bench with two equally weak gpu

> It's not like they would want their products to work well together or anything

>>59684611
>>implying I even watched OPs embed

I'm more of a multiply fan

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>>59682519
>it's another white man keeps the blacks down episode

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>>59682519
http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49#120
would not be surprised
would not be surprised in the slightest

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>>59682519

>Nvidia is responsible for shit AMD performance in DX12 API

you just cant make this shit up

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I-ITS EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT!!!!

>>59684434
cinebench measures the opposite of single core performance, it's the most extreme multi-threaded task, which is also why it doesn't carry over to most real-world applications, and it's not just because of bad programming, it's a fundamental fact of nature that you can't do everything in parallel

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>/g/ has fallen so low that adoredtv is not dismissed immediately

What has happen, has the reddit amd users taken over with their fagotry?

>>59685902
It's a well known fact that /r/amd are genuine amd shills who leak everywhere they can.

>>59685163
>cinebench measures the opposite of single core performance

It has a single core mode for measuring single core performance, you stupid piece of shit.

>>59685902
>all Intel and Nvidia shills have left is ad hominems now that their housefires are obsolete

Sad!

>>59686086
ryzen has an awful single core score in cinebench so what's your point

Fuck off nvidia shills. You guys do realize that this is just the first gen of this new generation of processors right? Just wait for the next gen and AMD will btfo Intel and Nvidia.

>>59682519
Why doesn't AMD write their own DX12 driver API then....

AMD retards are bigger failures than Apple followers, that is for sure.

They are blind to facts.

They come up with the wildest excuses to why their products don't perform.

>half the thread can't comprehend what the benchmark is showing
I've been wasting my life on a board full of literal retards.

>>59686153
i'm not about to watch a 21 min long adoredtv video so why don't you tell us what it's showing

>>59686108
But that's not true, so your post is pointless.

>>59686179
kys shill

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>>59686183
I'm not the one on suicide watch here. Tell me more about how mad Ryzen makes you, Sanjay.

>>59686120

> Facts show Nvidia Dx12 is garbage, AND bottlenecks BOTH Intel and AMD, BUT bottlenecks AMD more

Fucking XF 480s beating a Titan Pascal top fucking kek. Theres also a bench mark showing a Fury X performing as well as or better than a Titan X in RotTRR with Ryzen.

This was AMDs long game after all. DX12/Vulkan/Mantle use Ryzens power much better than DX11, you just need a non shit DX12 driver :^)

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>>59685902
>has the reddit amd users taken over with their fagotry?
Yes.

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>>59686120
>rambling post full of ad hominems
>Y-y-you're the one ignoring f-facts!!!

>>59686210
That picture gave me cancer
>browses /g/
>skype
>steam
>discord
>chrome,vivaldi and firefox
>dropbox

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>>59686247
That's the kind of people amd shills are. They literally just come here to shit up the place.

>>59686196
it's the objective truth that ryzen cpus score lower than 7700k in cinebench single threaded test

>>59684403
>I actually want Ryzen
oi vey this'll throw the goyim off the trail

>>59686284
What does that have to do with anything? The claim was that Ryzen's score is shit. It isn't. The 7700K's single core performance being better doesn't change that. It's also better than any of Intel's >4 core chips, so I guess those are all shit too, right? Who needs more than 4 cores anyway? Computers are for video games only!

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why are we still using directX again

>>59686260
>you didn't watch the video
No wonder you are so blind to the truth

>>59686656
Like clockwork AMD shills come out to deny reality.

>>59686656
>adoretard
>truth
the same imbecile saying that 8370 beats 2500k by 10% in games now and proven to be full of shit

>>59686683
>>59686682
>he goes based off of nvidia GPUs
A
S
Y
N
C
!

>>59686901
You should literally kill yourself if you take anything adoretard saying seriously. That poofer is a genuine amd shill.

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>>59686965
>>59686683
>People are shills when it doesn't suit me
The ozziecunt "prover" was the amd shill 2 weeks ago. How times flies for flipflopping intlets. His benches aren't more proof than krauts at computerbase.de

>amd is shit
>ITS THE NVIDIA PROBLEM!

>>59687125
>AMD GPUs bring out better performance on both Intel and AMD CPUs, than nVidia
>AMD FUCKED UP!

>>59687585
>if we use don't use Nvidias top GPUS

benches speak for themselves. nvidiots are once again on suicide watch now that nvidia is proven to be the shit driver company.

At what point do you have to accept facts?

Nothing wrong with so long as
>RAM is changed
>motherboards are redesigned
>Bios is changed
>Operating system is changed
>compilers are changed
>Apis are changed
>drivers are changed
>software is reprogrammed

Ryzen is fine, its every other last thing that is wrong.

>>59687813
you're right, changing stuff and progressing is idiotic, i still don't get why a bunch of shitheads forced us out of 32-bit systems, or what the point of this fancy-ass new "SSD" gimmick is

>>59687110
why someone sane would want a hot defective and pricey card when there are better alternatives

>>59687813
>new architecture
>already running fine (inb4 oi vey muh 7 fps!)
>some specific optimisations still needed
everybody calm the fuck down.

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lol 470 already wrecking 1060. GET GIMPD GREENS!

>>59687988
Fury X was selling under 300 bucks at some point during stock clearances.

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I'm going to get me 1600x+vega.

>>59686108
>>59686284
>scores lower than the 7700k
>awful single core performance
what did he mean by this

>>59682519
>Nvidia's shitty DX12 driver API
But it shows the same performance issue in DX11, how the fuck is the DX12 implementation to blame? This conclusion is nonsensical and it's not supported by the numbers in that video. It's like you've decided on your conclusion before looking at the numbers and then attempt to make it fit.

Its just cause the nvidia dx12 wrapper is single threaded

>>59682519
So, in the end the conclusion is that if you want top-tier performance you buy Intel + NVIDIA anyway, right? Just that Ryzen isn't shit, but it still falls behind.

>>59686441

Because the governing body of Vulkan doesn't want to invest money in offering a competitive API?

Valve updated source 2, Id launched Doom, and I think one other game is using it in the future.

>>59688246
Not that guy but does it really?
The 1060 is supposed to be more powerful than a 470 right and sure we see that in the DX11 benchmarks. As expected.
The 470 then magically wins in DX12 the nvidia scores being so bad that the DX11 frame rate is higher than the DX12 one

Surely nvidia has an issue here

>>59688191
funny how in that same video the guy shows the amd card he tested as being worse on average.

>>59688298
Ryzen has worst single thread performance, if your software is single threaded, Ryzen is going to perform better than 7700k.

>>59688324
nvidia already makes good use of the hardware in DX11. amd needs DX12 as a crutch to unlock more of the potential performance of their hardware.

>>59688298

>Top tier

>1070 getting blown the fuck out by crossfire 480s

What was the purpose of his post?

>>59688298
yes. overclocked high end ryzen comes out ahead with super high clocked memory (3600 MHz) in some benchmarks but it doesn't have official motherboard support and the overall cost is a lot more than a 7700k cpu+motherboard+ram.

>>59688348
>the new and improved version as a crutch
Just because AMD isn't doing well in DX11 doesn't make it just fine that nvidia can't keep up in the new stuff
Two wrongs don't make a right

>>59688368
>falling for the multi-gpu meme
dual 1080 or single 1070/1080. dual rx480 can fuck off. i'm not even memeing, this has been common knowledge for 10+ years that you should prefer a single high end gpu to multi gpu.

>>59688348

>Old technology that only benefits Nvidia

Vs

>New technology that benefits everyone

>Crutch

What was the represented purpose of his post?

>>59687904
AMD did not make their name with "progress", they made by making a chip you could put into an Intel motherboard using an Intel socket. This was fine, it inconvenienced nobody.

They should return to that and stop distracting people from optimising the market leading Intel/Nvidia experience that hard-working professionals demand.

Lets face it, AMD is for teenagers, NEETs and the kind of people who regularly get turned down for credit cards.

>>59688368
the crossfire 480's also cost way more and have much less functionality in new games. over half of recent games don't even support multigpu in dx12 mode which is the only time the xfire 480's beat the 1070 going by adoredtv's own words.

>>59688381
>>59688396
>muh async compoote
shill harder amd cucks

>>59687611
>If we don't use X variable
Well that just shows that X variable was THE FUCKING WEAK POINT, YOU FUCKING MORON.

>>59688388

So why does the RX480 in cross fire absolutely slay a single 1070 on Ryzen?

>Memes not what they used to be

>>59688396
>only benefits Nvidia
I can't see how DX11 does't benefit everyone
You're both being disingenuous as fuck

>>59688088
1060 3GB =/= 1060 6GB

>>59688403
So you don't really want to discuss hardware
You just want AMD to fail so your purchase doesn't come into question

>>59688402

So now we are at the heart of why this thread exists.

Nvidia sucks dick at Direct X 12. In software and hardware.

But hey, maybe they just need a patch right?

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>>59688324
>Not that guy but does it really?
Yes, have you watched the video? Pic related, from the video.

Ryzen + NVIDIA performs like shit in BOTH DX11 and DX12. The issue literally has nothing to do with DX12.

>Surely nvidia has an issue here
Oh yes, but the issue is not restricted to DX12. The conclusion is retarded, the numbers in the very same video show something else. Making this about DX12 is completely nonsensical, ESPECIALLY when NVIDIA performs better in DX12 than DX11 too. It's absolutely retarded and directly contradictory to the results presented.

Does everyone just accept the story without even looking at the fucking charts in the video?

>>59688388
>Tech doesn't improve with time
DX12's devs and AMD all made a big issue out of improving MGPU performance and stability. Yes, it depends on the actual developers of games to enable MGPU, but DX12 was still developed with MGPU options in mind - and AMD's hardware team have been working to overcome the issues with Crossfire (which was ALWAYS better than SLI)

>>59688438
>it's not our fault, it's the developers fault

>>59688446
>Implying its not

>>59688451
it's the end user experience that matters. doesn't matter what excuse they've got to explain why their shit doesn't work unless you're an amd fanboy

>>59688433
i don't get what you're trying to say?

it's still laughable that people are unironically begging for other people to get dual rx 480 just so they don't buy gtx 1070 and when the gtx 1070 still wipes the floor with dual rx 480 in dx11 which also happens to be the mainstream api used in 100% of games right now and the last 6 years.

fanboy will always be deluded, i guess. going from 390>1070 is one of the best decisions i've made. absolute beast of a card at 1440p

>>59688415

Direct X 11 is highly single threaded, with a huge bottleneck being the CPU.

Versus Direct X 12 eliminating the bottleneck, and allowing more cores to be used.

Who does Direct X 11 benefit at this point? A company who has sunk tens if not hundreds of millions on optimizations? Who's current and future hardware is optimized for it? Who has zero incentive to see AMD succeed in Direct X 12 that actually utilizes AMD hardware?

Yeah, disingenuous...

>>59688471
>Literally telling you that things are improving
LALALALALALA I DON'T LISTEN LALALALLALA, BLAME SOMETHING QUICK
>retort with the same tier argument
LALALALALLA I DIDN'T EVEN READ YOUR POST, LALALALALLAA

>>59688368
>crossfire
Crossfire doesn't exist in DX12 anon-chan. DX12 mGPU is not Crossfire, it's DX12 mGPU and has nothing to do with AMD in particular. If you want to look at Crossfire results, look at 2x RX 480 in DX11, that is ACTUAL Crossfire. You know, those dogshit results at 50-55FPS 1080p, that is Crossfire.

Again, DX12 does not use Crossfire (or SLI), it's all done by the game using the DX12 API, it's not driver side like CF and SLI are. Driver-side CF is dogshit in a lot of cases, including the one presented in this very video.

>>59688484
>i-it'll work in the future, we're working on it, just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

>>59688472

Who's begging for dual RX480s? If you think that level of performance gap is acceptable, you've fallen for the corporate line, versus what is better for the consumer as a whole. The side you really should be on.

But since I have never tasted Nvidias cock, maybe it tastes like heroin...

>>59684386
>Doesn't understand the topic of the video
>Hey guys lets discuss the topic of the video which I clearly don't understand based on what I just said

>>59688504
kill yourself

>>59688491
Not him, but to call it crossfire/SLI even when its technically not doesn't matter on a level like this, so long as its understood.

>>59688491

It's a generic term for dual AMD cards you sperging faggot.

>>59688388
>>59688402
These.

>>59688515

Because you suck Nvidia dick? Seems pretty drastic.

>>59688499
>Literally hasn't experienced crossfire or SLI in his life
>Thinks he has a say on the matter
Its just like sex; you can't tell us how it feels because you've never had it. How can you claim to be an expert of something you've never experienced?

>>59688539
i had gtx 260 core 216 SLI, and i'm telling you, it's better to have a single high end gpu than dual mid range gpus, this is common fucking knowledge, kill yourself retard

>>59688435
I'm staring myself blind on the difference between the two DX12 nvidia scores
Why do they take such a massive performance hit on Ryzen when the two AMD cards take less?
The difference between the two DX12 Radeon scores I can explainaway with bladibla 7700K clock speed times IPC
But why not only a similarly reduced performance for nvidia?

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>>59688504
what the fuck are you talking about? you saying like that is exactly what i said. you're not literally saying it but you're making the implication that anyone who buys single gpu (ie 1070) is a fanboy shill and someone who buys rx 480 xfire is doing something that's against muh corporation.

just stop posting. the 1070 is better than dual rx 480 and more practical. deal with it.

>>59688552
>GTX260
Wanna try it on anything from the last 10 years?

>>59688533

The point is that if the standard bearer of a single card were true, then the dual RX480s wouldn't absolutely butt blast a 1070 the way it did.

Which enforces adoredTVs point, that Nvidia sucks dick at Direct X 12. Whether it's software or hardware.

>>59688552
This AMD owner agrees with this assessment

It's single Vega for me even if two 480 are cheaper

>>59688554
Potentially, though I could easily be wrong; Nvidia might need to optimise their drivers for Ryzen. Wouldn't surprise me if they do need to but are putting it off for as long as possible as some kind of back street deal with Intel, even if no money changes hands.

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>>59688581

>>59688555

Learn to fucking read you dense mother fucker.

The topic is Nvidias shit DX12 experience. Crossfired cards should not be beating the 1070 in this game. No matter the processor.

It's even an Nvidia sponsored game for fucks sake.

>>59688516
>>59688518
The thing is, it does matter. Because he makes a claim about how smooth and nice "Crossfire" is, but the actual truth is that he is using it as an overly-generic term including DX12 mGPU.

The problem is that *actual* Crossfire performs like shit and his statement is incredibly misleading. DX12 mGPU is a very, very rare beast. If a person buys 2 RX480s now because Crossfire is super great, he will end up incredibly disappointed because the vast majority of games use actual Crossfire (=shit) and not DX12 mGPU (=great). This phrasing can easily fuck up somebody's purchasing decision if they don't do extensive research and aren't quite familiar with mGPU in general. It's not simply a different name for the same thing.

>>59688581
except this is not true in the slightest. it is known nvidia and intel don't have the best of relationships and also nvidia would be doing the exact opposite and optimizing for ryzen to show consumers that nvidia works better on amd cpu than amd gpu themselves. the 1060 is already slightly better than the 480 on ryzen r7 if you want to believe joker productions benchmarks. he's some weird amd guy though so i doubt he'd lie about an nvidia win.

>>59688581

Never attribute to malice what is easily explained with incompetence, but never rule out malice entirely.

ryzen is still new, nvidia will probably optimize their drivers

>>59688602
> Crossfired cards should not be beating the 1070 in this game.

actually yes they should. theoretical performance of the 480 xfire in dx12 according to amd themselves say that they should match or beat a 1080. in this game they don't even get close to a 1080 but beat the 1070 by about 5% which is perfectly acceptable. in dx11 it's another story though and xfire scales like shit in dx11 compared to single oc gpu.

>>59688608
>The problem is that *actual* Crossfire performs like shit

why dont you prove him wrong instead of denying everything he said based simply on meme gpu """"knowledge""""" you've absorbed from /g/ shitposts

>>59688608

Fine, when you see someone applying the term "Crossfire/SLi" you just interpret it as API specific Split frame rendering.

Your failure to understand is not my problem.

>>59688554
I can't form any reasonable hypothesis as to why it happens, it's probably buried somewhere deep in the NVIDIA driver. The only thing I can guess at is that it might have something to do with Ryzen's peculiarities which do not exist on Intel CPUs, such as the way it's segmented in 2 CCXs and the significant latency penalty of going from one CCX to the other. Perhaps the NVIDIA driver itself is not managing its threads optimally for Ryzen.

This of course then compounds with the lower IPC and lower clock too, but IPC/clock alone cannot explain it (Ryzen isn't that far behind to justify it).

>>59684403
>anime reaction pic

opinion discarded

>>59688648

So now the commonly accepted truth is no longer a commonly accepted truth?

That hardware is not static and optimized by software?

Welcome to the insanity of explaining AMD technology to a bunch of faggot who haven't learned anything beyond Computer Science 101. And just regurgitate those "commonly accepted truths".

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>>59688654
>lower IPC

is this one wankstain still shitting up this thread trying to sell everyone how amazing crossfire is according to his own fantasies? yeah nah, i'm not falling for that meme.

>>59688702

Ryzen has a lower IPC then Kabylake Lake, that is not debatable. It has faster, more efficient SMT over Hyperthreading.

>>59686114
Closed source, my negro.

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>>59688678
>Welcome to the insanity of explaining AMD technology

the line of a paid amd shill if i've ever seen one. you still haven't been able to prove anyone itt wrong. you failed. deal with it.

>>59688705

Are you reading challenged?

No one is advocating multiple GPUs. We are asking why Nvidia Direct X 12 performance is so shit that it gets beat by two lesser cards.

>>59688738

/out/ for you faggot.

>>59688725
I have yet to see anything indicate that
Sure it's slower single thread but I haven't seen a test with a 7700K and a Ryzen chip single core with fast RAM and clocked similarly.
It's a moot point because why would you underclock your i7
Or do you have a source I don't know of?

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>>59688649
Are you retarded, anon? Watch the fucking video. Crossfire (on the 1800X) gets 50.3 FPS and DX12 mGPU gets 94.87 in the Geothermal valley benchmark. Look at it, it's in the fucking video. That's absolute shit performance, DX12 mGPU does great and CF is shit.

>>59688653
This is AFR, not SFR first of all (was that an actual mistake or just a typo?). Don't attempt to sound like such a smartass when you don't even know what you're talking about. Secondly I understand just fine, but other people watching this video WILL NOT and will be mislead by the incorrect terminology used. He makes it sound like CF is amazing when in fact it's shit in the very test he performs.

>>59688262
That's a full blown lie, at stock clocks I get at least 143 on my R7 1700 and that was a while ago.

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IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

NVIDIA IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD DRIVERS COMPANY

ADOREDTV NEEDS TO BE STOPPED

>>59688702
>>59688783
Ryzen has Broadwell-E IPC, which is very slightly behind Kaby Lel.

>>59688725
it's faster at best and marginally slower at worst. the only thing kaby has going for it is muh clock speeds.

>>59688788
Now I want to see CF vs single GPU

>>59688408
>High end GPUS that deliver the best performance on the market are the "weak point" that bottlenecks cpus
Do you even listen to yourself.

>>59688802
Yeah I'm looking for benchmarks right now

>>59688783

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Faq/How-does-IPC-compare-between-AMDs-Ryzen-and-Intels-Kaby-Lake/108

Two seconds of google.

>>59688788
are you literally a slobbering imbecile who drools on tablecloths? i only ask because he literally said in the video that he was talking about crossfire performance under the dx12 driver so I can't imagine how fucking stupid you would have to be to think he was misleading anyone, unless you want to believe he's lying for some reason.

>>59688813
Sadly I don't think those results were provided, but I'm too lazy to scrub the entire 21m video again. But CF does run better in some other benchmarks in RotTR.

>>59688788

There is no more alternate frame rending

It died with Crossfire/SLI.

Direct X 12 offers native split frame rendering.

>>59688748
are you? you seem to not understand the concept of sli/crossfire, especially not the dx12 multigpu which is supposed to be super efficient and even scale 100% across 2 gpu which amd showed in their ryzen release testing with sniper elite 4.

nobody here is surprised that 2 gpu in dx12 scales well and beats a card a tier higher. you seem to think that 2 gpu that are about ~40% weaker individually shouldn't beat a card that is one tier higher.

even gtx 970 sli in rottr dx11 blows the fuck out of a single 980 by over 50 fps despite being a weaker card.

2 tier 2 cards > 1 tier 1 card. it will be the same if you use 2 1070's vs a 1080 and 2 1080 vs 1080 ti.

>>59684883
Could it be AMD gimped their cpu to force the amd/amd combo to be better?

idk I think ultimately, AMD wont get my business unless I like their cpu more, gpu's can be swapped easy but I see no reason to upgrade from a 4790k.

Even if amd/amd out performs in dx12, ok...not that many games fully take advantage yet anyways...so why change to amd now, when by the time dx12 is prevalent, nvidia may have caught up?

>>59688809

No you delusional fan boys. It has 62% IPC increase over Excavator, which is nearly Sandy bridge IPC. Which puts Ryzen at Haswell/Broadwell levels of IPC.

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>>59688788
lmao the 7700k is even better in dx12 which the amdtards said the ryzen cpu would be better in

>>59688839
There is NO CROSSFIRE PERFORMANCE UNDER DX12. It does not exist. He should not be talking about Crossfire at all in the context of DX12 unless he's a misinformed.

>>59688860
No it fucking doesn't, every single DX12 mGPU title out right now still uses AFR, but it's not driver AFR, it's game-side AFR (and competent devs can do very well with it).

DX12 mGPU provides the OPTION of SFR, but nobody is using it.

>>59688879
>Even if amd/amd out performs in dx12
It doesn't 2x RX480 is still faster with a 7700K than with a 1800X. Of all the combinations tested Intel + Radeon comes out on top.

>>59688837
Heh. Yeah I found that too.
I also decided it's too inaccurate

>>59688879

Nvidia won't catch up any time soon. They still believe a hybrid system is just as good as a hardware based acceleration.

And we see time and time again it just can't compete in workloads like Async Compute.

>>59688894
d-d-doesn't matter! You should still buy the 1800x for 500$ and crossfire 480 and play only dx12 games with 3600 RAM Or are you an intel shill?! THINK OF THE FUTURE!

>>59688895
So he should have tested with Crossfire and disable mGPU?

Is that a thing?

>>59688914

Because...?

>>59688336
by 3-4 fps= rounding error
when there is no real difference you get what is cheaper.

Is using an nvidia/amd together with dx12 enabled yet? Is it something any game with dx12 will allow?

>>59688800
you probably at least run 2900 RAM, this is on 2133 most likely

>>59688945
>http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Faq/How-does-IPC-compare-between-AMDs-Ryzen-and-Intels-Kaby-Lake/108

Dirtiest data collection I have ever seen

>>59688944
He tested fine but the phrasing he uses in the video is misleading and inaccurate. He should have clearly explained the difference between DX12 mGPU and CF/SLI, or at the very least he should not have referred to DX12 mGPU as CF. Near the end he goes on about how smooth the "Crossfire cards" are when the fucking video shows DX12 mGPU video. It fucking says in huge letters "DX12AFR" on top of the screen and he talks about Crossfire.

He is either misinformed himself or is using this terminology intentionally to mislead.

And when motherboards with stable 4000+MHz RAM speeds come out we'll have this thread again
And when Vega comes out we'll have it again
Infact let's have it again tomorrow. It's sunday after all and I have time

>>59689026
Well "never attribute herp derp..."

>adoredTV is a shill!
>the only tech-reviewer that went in-depth and revealed amds shortcomings
>called out the VEGA for being another blunder

how is he a shill?

>>59689117
>pretends to be unbiased
>"v-vega is shit"
>has a Freudian slip in his latest video where he forgets to follow the narrative and accidentally says vega will "lay waste to the 1080 ti/titanx" despite saying the opposite a week earlier

lets not act stupid here. all he does is talk about how "great" amd is and how their masterplan will become world domination and other bullshit like that. he even admitted he's on amd's payroll. they're literally his employer now.

>>59689212
>he even admitted he's on amd's payroll. they're literally his employer now.
lolwut

>>59684464
>Ryzenfags still made
ENGLISH PAJEET DO YOU SPEAK IT

>>59686108
>lying on the internet

>>59689894
he did. in one of his videos he states that he had partnered with amd as a result of his previous videos and in the comment section someone asked if he is paid by them or just a partner and he said they they were his employers at that time.

>>59688738
>tfw to dumb for cs101
(you)

>>59689212
>too stupid to understand a fucking adoredtv video
its like you need to go back to special ed

>>59682519
how is it new that nvidia is not utilizing the cpu as well as amd?
that shit is know since the release of pascal
that's what amd fags pissed themselves with the rx480

it's not gimping retard

>>59688874
dude, watch from 16:43. mgpu 480s beats fucking titan xp with ryzen.

>>59690019
he says in the video he asked for a fury x and amd didn't give any to him for the test. how is that for an employee/employer relation?

>>59690264
>high end $600 card no longer in production is not available to send to partnered reviewer
>suddenly means there's no relation

yeah i'm sure if i start making nvidia shill videos they'll send me a $1200 titan xp for free for some shitty tomb raider comparison video right? it doesn't work like that. he already said they sent him a free reference 480 and a freesync monitor with them telling msi to send him the rest.

>>59688398
>Implying
Noch einen

>>59690322
>implying AMD, the fucking creator of fury x, doesn't have any fury x to give.

>>59688398
>AMD did not make their name with "progress"
are you 12?

>>59690359
he's already said they couldn't get some products to him due to location limitations. they probably have a budget for these sort of things. they're not going to send him a $600 test unit and then an extra $100 on shipping and returns. if that was the case then everyone would have fury x for testing. not even digital foundry have their amd provided fury x anymore as they said amd needed it back.

>>59690408
bu-but he is an employee? why not giving the card to an employee?

>>59690432
you are also an amd employee, where's your fury x?

are you going to say adoredtv is a liar now despite him saying in recorded written and audio evidence that he was/is an amd employee?

>>59690478
they couldn't give me one due to location limitations, they have budget for these sort of things.
you are the one saying that he is an employee. bring forth the proof.

>>59690478
>he was/is an amd employee?
[citation needed]

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>>59688783
AMD themselves say it

>ITT: r/amd
fucking lol

>>59690622
this triggers them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RguU0i9LnzA

>>59684426
No it's that Nvidia DX12 drivers work fine for the 7700k, but don't utilize Ryzen at all and tank the FPS.

It's clearly not a problem with DX12 itself, which works fine with an AMD GPU and Ryzen, but with Nvidia's DX12 drivers with Ryzen + Nvidia GPU.

How can you not see that, honestly? It's 4 benchmarks side by side of 7700k+480 in dx11 and dx12, then ryzen+480 in dx11 and dx12.

>>59690509
>>59690551
i will look for it later. he seems to have deleted my comments where me and him talked about him being an amd partner and employee. i'm sure there are more comments of his which prove it anyway.

>>59682519
>1060 3GB
That GPU is like 10% worst than a regular 1060

>>59690652
>amdrone calling someone retarded
>bought a r9 295x2
fuckig lost it

>>59690751
and 470 is like 10% worse than 480. what is your argument?

>>59690697
>work fine for dx12
>loses fps in dx12
>works fine

Come on, anon.

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>tfw Intel+Nvidia

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>fury x trashes titan xp
dx 12 driver of nvidia has a clear problem
source: german magazine C't

>>59690715
so maybes and mights, fuck off shill

>>59690966
>someone trying to expose the truth is a "shill"
>he still doesn't think someone who makes 99% of his videos and all video content about amd and how everyone is trying to destroy amd due to some evil conspiracy is a shill

>>59691150
>trying to expose the truth
>has not the slightest shred of evidence
?

>>59691194
the only thing i can find that he hasn't deleted is his admission of having a partnership with amd when he gave away 3 rx 480s. what evidence do you have that he's not partnered with amd?

>>59691296
>employed by amd
>partnered with amd
stop moving the goalposts you tremendous faggot

>>59682519
Hahaha Intel and NVIDIA jews combine forces to fool the goyim.

>>59691296
>>59691150
>Meanwhile in multiple videos he says he does consultant work for nvidia shareholders

i guess that goes against your (((narrative))) though doesn't it

Why are almost all the Ryzen benchmarks people are posting the Windows-proproprietary gaymen ones?

Where's my SPEC?

>>59682519
>implying nvidia isn't being salty

>>59691324
stay in denial all you want. the proof is there somewhere but i can't be bothered to look right now.

>>59691353
nope. he says he did some analyst work for some companies (doesn't even mention nvidia) and that they never got back to him and he lost that work probably because they realized he's a fraud.

someone who makes nvidia/intel videos and only talks about how amazing intel/nvidia are and how they're going do this and that to win and beat all these other corporations are shills right? but someone who does it for amd isn't a shill, yes? simple yes or no question.

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>>59682519
We got another one, boys.
Fury X outperforming the Titan XP with Ryzen.

That's how shitty Nvidia drivers are on Ryzen, that their $1200 2x more powerful card sometimes performs 15% worse than a Fury X.

It seems to be both that "threaded optimizations" needs to be unchecked, because it un-optimizes for Ryzen, and that "Message Signaled Interrupts" (MSI) are enabled by default in AMD drivers, but not Nvidia.
There's probably some other issues too. There's a whole stack of things that get wrongly configured for Ryzen by default that add up to these 20-40% lower FPS than you'd expect in some cases.

>>59682519
what's up with this irish guy?

>>59691429
For those that can't read the context clues to figure it out:

"1 mit Radeon R9 Fury X" is indicating the "1" by the "1800X" is with it using a Fury X.
All other results are with the Titan X Pascal.

You'd think after seeing those results that they'd have retested the 6900k and 7700k with the Fury X as well to actually get more accurate comparisons, but oh well.

>>59691394
>stay in denial all you want. the proof is there somewhere but i can't be bothered to look right now.
>the proof is there somewhere
i don't believe things that i don't see faggot

>>59691394
>>59691514
Someone can be bias and still correct, is what you don't seem to understand.

Yes, the AdoredTV is bias. No disbuting that.
He's also more correct and technically knowledgeable than 99% of tech youtubers.

>>59691767
linus and logan are pretty dumb.

so is Intel dropping the price of their CPUs?

AMD every release

more coarez and shitty drivers NOT OUR FAULT everyone ELSES

>>59691873

lolno

ryzen and amd will never be a threat to intel and nvidia.

>>59691915
but what about the benchmarks people are posting, Ryzen looks more competitive than their older products

>>59691939
for certain games that use dx12 that are nothing but glorified tech demos. I don't bother looking at AMD benchmarks anymore because of how deceptive they have been recently

>>59691915

Nice bait tho, AMD has been ahead of both, but intel being intel fucked them (and us) over.

You can start by thanking AMD for x64
Also their x19x0 cards were good along with the 9700 Pro

But yeah, those Athlon64 X2 CPUs sure were bad, huh?

>>59691992
>But yeah, those Athlon64 X2 CPUs sure were bad, huh?
No!!!! 240watt longer bibeline hyperthreaded single core pentium is better!!

POAST RYZEN SPEC BENCHMARKS

THIS WILL KILL THE INTEL

>>59690596

Fucking thank you.

Nvidia sucks shit at DX 12.

>>59692043
hiberthred bibeline is best bibeline
the longer the bibeline the more klacks you get and klacks is all that mattard

>>59692065
That doesn't explain the 7700k DX12 results.

It's a driver issue with Nvidia on Ryzen. An issue they need to fix ASAP.

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>>59691873
no

>>59691915
(you)

>>59692126
are you fucking blind?
Nvidia loses FPS on DX12 even with Intel CPUs there.

>>59692158
Are you blind?

It loses 7% FPS in DX12 on the 7700k
>7%

It loses 40-fucking-percent in DX12 on the 1800X.
>40%

>>59690596
now test Intel CPU with similar single core performance to Ryzen, like 2600k and see if results are the same, now this shows nothing really.

>>59692199
Its still a FPS Loss you ding dong.

Just means they bothered to optimize a little bit for intel and didnt give two shits about AMD.

But it still screams their DX12 Drivers are hilariously underwhelming.

>>59692126

You mean where the 7700 got better results using two 480s also?

Nvidia does not want DX12. Because they now have to add in a bunch of shit they stripped out in Kepler and beyond, which kills their performance per watt check point.

It also cannibalizes their Quadro cards because they'll now have to add compute and double precision, and the prosumer will just grab a 1280 and tell Nvidia to fuck off for charging what they do for Quadro.

>>59692228
Yes. Nvidia DX12 driver sucks. But it sucks more on Ryzen and COMPARATIVELY TO INTEL makes Ryzen look worse in DX12 games than Intel CPUs.
It doesn't matter so much that their DX12 driver is worse than their DX11 one so much that it's even more worse on Ryzen for no reason except mostly bad default configuration and compile.

Which is what dumbass benchmarkers fucking compare. How well one CPU does vs another on the same GPU and same graphics API.

>>59692235
>It also cannibalizes their Quadro cards because they'll now have to add compute and double precision, and the prosumer will just grab a 1280 and tell Nvidia to fuck off for charging what they do for Quadro.
kek this is Nvidia in a nutshell.

>>59692261
>Yes. Nvidia DX12 driver sucks.

Finally, thank you for admitting it.

And yes, dumbass benchmarkers are dumbasses, see how long it took for the GTX970 shit to get out.

>>59692249

Are these averages or maximums from adoredTV?

>>59692286
I said it from the beginning, you dimwit.

>>59692296
yes

>>59692299
Then i quoted the wrong person

>>59692302

Which? Averages or maximums?

>>59692318
Yup

>>59692333

We seem to have a misunderstanding. These benchmarks from adored are averages and maximums?

>>59692344
That is correct.

>>59692355

These averages are maximums from adored? Is that what you are honestly trying to communicate with me?

>>59692373
Outlook unclear.

>>59684403
>posting money slut
It's like you're not even trying to hide the shilling.

>>59684883
Its been the case for years.
>Nvidia release Physix
>AMD and their fans buttmad because amd cant into Nvidia tech.
They blame Nvidia because their cards are performing bad.
>AMD catches up years later when wavey hair isnt relevant anymore.

>>59691992

nobody cares gramps stop living in the past. i bet you post benchmarks that are a decade old when amd was "good", don't you?

typical amdrones

>>59692405
nVidia did come with PhysX offer to AMD and there were even fan made PhysX drivers for AMD.
AMD declined nVidia and asked fans to stop the drivers.

>>59692435

ok kid :^)

>>59692405

Better make sure that tessellation is set to X64. Gotta tank every ones performance. Not just AMD's.

>>59692440
They're a bunch of stuck up folk aren't they.
Its almost like they want to be shit.

Stop trying to make this about Ryzen you dumb AMD drones and maybe someone will actually listen to you. Performance on intel cpus is affected too.

>>59692476
>amd declined
Nvidia made no such offer

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Wtf, why hasn't AMD taken these kikes to court yet?

>>59692476
or maybe, they don't like nvidias proprietary approach, seeing how AMD is more in favour of open standards.

>>59692506
That is true, they just lied about it instead

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/10652-nvidia-never-really-offered-physx-to-ati

>>59692518
Because they'd get BTFO

>>59692405
>can't into Nvidia tech
Because Nvidia makes everything proprietary you dumb fucking shill, while AMD open sources 99% of their shit.

>>59692440
>offer
>pay us money!

>>59692533
fucking hilarious

How does a company full of SEAmen emulate jews so well?

>>59692537
Basically inferior.

>>59691901
It's literally Nvidia"s drivers. AMD's own hardware is working fine.

>>59692533
>Fudzilla
>reputable
you do know what fud means right?

>>59692495

Nearly everyone in this thread is bitching about Nvidias shit tier drivers in DX12.

Lurk more.

>>59692549
Since when chinks/asians in general are not avid followers of merchant ways?

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>>59686316
>oi vey this'll throw the goyim off the trail
>implying I haven't cherry picked the best AMD/Intel processor for 20 years for various uses.

Let me know how much you enjoy that first gen Ryzen when you're upgrading in a few years. I was proven right with the Athlon line of CPUs and I'll be right this time. Still got a Thunderbird overclocked to 1.4Ghz on stock cooling doing its thing all these years later. Got that for video encoding, got this i7 k-series for video encoding 3 years ago, will pick the best processor out of the bunch when I build a new machine in a couple of years.

You'll still be here shitposting about muh-meme processor while never utilizing it to the fullest extent. That's why all you guys do is circlejerk about muh-gaming performance and why you're so easy to troll.

>>59692584
Then we can go to original story
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/blog-post/1685636/nvidia-blames-amd-dropping-physx-support

>>59684464
I suppose you are gaming on either a tegra or an intel hd graphics then? Otherwise you are intentionally getting worse performance.

>>59692621
>http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/blog-post/1685636/nvidia-blames-amd-dropping-physx-support

>Sensing it was giving business away to AMD, last September Nvidia pulled support for cross-vendor operation meaning that either gamers had to get an all Nvidia setup or be stuck on an old driver release.

did you even read it?

>>59689212
Except he fucking said that would happen IN RISE OF THE TOMB RAIDER, with VEGA + Ryzen + DX12

NOT in every scenario you fucking retard

>>59684497
I would rather have a GPU that actually works and doesn't crash every five minutes.

>>59692621
>>59692678
Holy fuck. Was this the thing where you needed to have an extra Nvidia GPU in your case in addition to your main AMD GPU you had (because they were 30-50% better performance/$ at that time, and best high end, especially at higher resolutions), to have PhysX?

And Nvidia fucking disabled PhysX from working if there was an AMD GPU in the system at all, even if there was a cheap Nvidia one as well for the PhysX?

I remember that shit. Plenty of underage on 4chan won't.

Nvidia are the fucking worst. How can anyone defend that?

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>>59682519
>it's always Nvidia's fault
top kekkikity kek

>>59692952
Yes, youre also thinking of the Physix card.

>>59692952
>allowing your competitors to use your features for free

lrn2business.

speaking of bad reviers, anyone seen the techpowerup ryzen update review?

They litterally didnt test the one thing people were talking about, frame times, minimum frame times

they just show average frame rates Hah

>>59682519
>>59693429

>>59693429

>>59693429

More proof?

>>59693588
>>59693608

The point is that all the big tech review sites are testing with Nvidia only GPU's. They should at least have tested with a Fury X. A Furxy X coming pretty damned close to a Titan X (see above cross thread links) is pretty embarrassing for Nvidia.

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>>59692681
it's ok he has brain damage
adoredTV is a shill but so is that retarded anon

either way even though adoredTV is a shill none of you criticising him can give a counter-argument to the points he made in the video.

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>>59688417
I know. I mean 470 4 GB, not the 470 8 GB.

>>59693915
that bench is bullshit
I'm a swecuck and I can see right away it's from our tech reviewer sweclockers.com

even says "2 av 11" in swedistanish which means page 2 of 11

>buy pc
>play video gaymes
>>>/v/

>>59693880
They can't. Most of the retards on this board don't even understand what he found out.

If there's one thing Ryzen's launch did what show just how pathetic most of the "reviewers" are. They know almost nothing but how to build a PC and click play on a canned benchmark.

Take AOTS for example. Everyone tested that with Nvidia GPUs only. Now that a patch was released that gave 30% more perf for Ryzen, how many of those fucks retested the CPUs?

Not only that but no one scratched their heads at the results (7700k being 2x the perf of 1800x). Later on someone found out it disables a lot of stuff when you use a 4c CPU.

>>59693938
maximum damage control

Ryzen+Vega is going to DESTROY Intel+Nvidia in every new game that is well coded in DX12/Vulkan. You can quote me on this.

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>>59693938
oh no, call suicide preventing hotline, quickly.

>Use DX11+Nvidia+Intel forever, resulting in no progress other than a few % increase in clock speeds. Plus having to purchase a ew motherboard every year.

Intel/Nvidia shills will defend this.

>>59693088
lol what the fuck, they're doing this for a living and all they're bothering to do is take the average frame rate which any amateur can do

>>59693915
That variance between min and max is disappointing if true, you know.

Really makes no sense considering the Fury X's, too.
Wait lmao. They basically just doubled the Fury X numbers, didn't they?

>>59693088
Tech power up is fucking awful, yet one of the most frequently posted shillmarks on /g/.

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Before Ryzen came out I made a post positing exactly this. That Nvidia might gimp Ryzen game results either intentionally or because of their stale architecture. That plus the combination of motherboard BIOS problems and Windows issues compounded this fact. But nobody fucking listened to me.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>59693938
I literally have a rx480 and own amd stocks
I'm just pointing out the truth you retard

ps im excited for vega

>>59688931
The whole point is that a cheap Ryzen R5+Vega will BTFO out Intel+Nvidia combo's.

Everyone is basing shit on current performance.

Ryzen+Vega will level the field.

>>59690069
Maybe but tech reviewers should fucking test both GPU platforms even if one has a less powerful GPU than the other. A Fury X should have at least been in the comparisons. Using Nvidia's latest and greatest skews the results.

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>nfw tech review sites are too fucking cheap or biased to buy a used Fury X for testing and selling it back on Ebay afterwards.

>>59694169
It seems less intentional because most of the gimping is due to default settings that can be changed. (enable MSI, disable threaded optimzations)

If it was intentional, they'd have it be something buried deep that no one could change.

>>59694301
but that's more work!!!
pressing a button to make a benchmark run and automatically dumping FCAT results into graph generators is so hard!!!!

>>59693915
>shop the 1080ti with ''''mad vega 10'''

>>59694301
Not only that but they could just fucking drop the settings a little.

It always "Huh duh, we had to use the TitanXP to remove the GPU bottleneck... so now check out our 1080/1440p ULTRA benchmarks goyssss"

The 1080Ti is like what? 60% faster than the Fury X? 70%? That is the difference you get going from ULTRA settings to HIGH settings most of the time. It's so retarded this mentality of "games can only be played on ULTRA" ffs

>>59694324
Heck, at 720p and low settings, which they fucking loved to do, a 480 would have been more than enough.

>>59691456
>Irish

kys

>>59691459
There is a more extensive test coming when the new Ryzen CPU's are released.

>>59684403
Who is this semen demon?

>>59694172
>pisscal rekt.jpg
>1080 ti edited to amd vega 10
>I literally have a rx480 and own amd stocks
sure is pointing out the truth, shill

>>59694469
Oh shit, if that's the 1080Ti, the variance from min to average is pretty fucking awful.

Why don't you just build one computer with Intel/Nvidia parts, and another computer with AMD parts?

>>59694515
lol? it's only an 11 fps difference in a very demanding 4k benchmark. it's way ahead of any amd shit

>>59694519
if you have the money to do that you may as well build one supercomputer with 1080 ti sli

>>59687813
>>59688398
lol watta faggot

>>59688484
>>59688484
>>59688484
>>59688484

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>>59694676
>muh improvement
>it's shit now but it'll be ok in the near future, i promise! oh those other failed promises? i-it's different this time!

>>59694630
>it's only an 11fps difference
>on top of 46fps minimum

What is the point of paying so much for a GPU that can't do 4K 60FPS minimum

>>59694325
Look at the odd fps drop around benchmark areas in ryzen on the tombraider vid. Seems almost too convenient

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>>59694630
mfw he probably has a quad core

>>59694754
lol fucking spoiled brat, $699 is reasonable for cutting edge tech which can do 60 (57) fps average at 4k resolution, + we have g-sync, we didn't even have a single gpu on this level until now, and within a few years this level of performance will probably come down to mid range pricing

>>59694714
What you talking about shill? Ryzen 1700 OC performs better than 7700K, its just fact now

>>59694780
and it's on ultra settings in a recent AAA game and also this >>59694771 it would probably help if they had a 7700k @ 5 GHz or a ryzen with high memory clocks

>>59694783
weak bait. "drumpf btfo" not cutting it any more?

>>59694771
Holy shit. Those min frames on the 7700k. Waht the fuck.

Oh right. Linus fucking takes the SINGLE LOWEST FRAME instead of 0.1% minimums.

>>59694815
>fails to provide recent benches to prove their point or even understand the greater point of the thread, that nvidia DX12 drivers gimped ryzen performance on tomb raider
>just like the rest of the brainless shills in this thead
>gg plebs

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>>59694780
>60fps average
>average
You disgust me.

I don't care about money, poorfag. I'll pay $1k if it gets 60fps minimum in a majority of games, or at least DX12/Vulkan ones. But the Titan XP didn't do that, either.
Paying so much money for something too powerful for 1080p and 1440p, but not good enough for 4k, just makes no sense.

>>59694878
>what is 1080 ti SLI

>>59694884
SLI doesn't work on all games.

IT ALSO MAKES FUCKING MICROSTUTTERING.

S P E C
P
E
Come on show us the SPEC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0