Intel Claims its Next 10nm Chips Will Be a “Generation Ahead”

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>>59669229
DELET

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>>59669229

>Be Intel
>Have lots of money along with x86 crown since C2D days
>Get BTFO by a company that has 1/10 the resources as you
>We-e-e number one guys

>>59669229
fuck you fucking jews we should have had this years ago

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>>59669254

>>59669277
Nice gif

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>>59669229
Well, notice that Intel is trying to claim their new tech will be generations ahead of Samsung and TSMC.

Have any of you girls ever tried a mobile phone or tablet powered by Intel?

I have a 7" Intel powered tablet that I never ever use. It is, seriously, the worst tablet I've ever owned. A two year older cheaper tablet powered by a MediaTek chipset is much snappier.

Intel paid manufactures to put their garbage chips in phones and tablets and even at zero cost for the SOC they sold close to nothing because ARM chips are absolutely superior to anything Intel has to offer.

I can't wait for RISC V and ARM chips to become powerful enough to replace desktop CPUs so we get some real competition (specially from RISC V). At that point both Intel and AMD will be on suicide watch.

And if it doesn't end up being as expected, the faggots from Intel will just pay companies to gimp and shit on AMD, again.

>>59669229
>amd on suicide watch
That is mobile technology you dumbfuck

>both are 10nm
>intel is a generation ahead

Huh?

Isn't each reduction in nm a new generation?
Which means that samsungs and intels 10nm are in the same generation?

What are they on about.

>Intel claims

Lol
Where's Cannonlake? 2019 now? Another Broadwell for desktop?

Where's that 10nm anyway? Samsung has been shipping theirs for a while? Why is Intel releasing another 14nm part again?

>>59669786
S-soon, just you wait until 14nm Coffeelake and 14nm Cannonlake, 10nm Icelake will be amazing!

>>59669229
>1.7% yields
Nice try Intel.

>>59669804
Lol, by the time Icelake comes out Zen will be in its third iteration on IBM's 7nm fucking SOI, while Intel is still fucking around with either Skylake refreshes or Skylake dieshrinks.

>>59669229
doesn't really mean much when the technology will only be used for a dying architecture that is full of erratas and also has massive costs and low yields.

>>59669786

>Lol fucking yearly rehashes from Intel fucking jews screwing you on new sockets every 9 months lmao
>What? Why aren't you releasing a new CPU every year you fucking jews?

>>59669849
>amd64 dying
No. Sometimes it's even faster than POWER8.

>>59669996
doesn't really fucking matter when trays are anywhere from $500 to $3000 dollars.

Intel's i686 bullshit is finished and dead.

>>59669229
Like that Optane tech would be x1000 better than NAND?

>>59669229
>j-j-just wait you AMDfags won't know what hit you in 2018 when the NEXT die shrink hits!

14nm didn't do very much. This is just marketing bullshit as usual, just like "15% improvements".

>>59669229
finally proper 10nm and not that gook botched abortion

>>59670021
any 32-bit architecture is dead already.

>>59669786
>>Intel claims
>>59669818
>>Zen will
literally kill yourself

>>59669619
One company's process is not like the other. The number usually refers to the smallest polygon you're able to create on silicon, not necessarily transistor density, conductivity and other physical characteristics. Intel is still ahead in that term.

>>59669786
The distance between gates in intel's 14nm is smaller than in samsung's 10nm\
Cannonlake got delayed because developing a new process is a bitch

>>59669804
> 14nm Cannonlake
> being this fucking retarded

>>59669229
Sure, when the yields stop being 1.7%, though.

>>59670091
remember that fucking intel 64 bit implementation and amd64 split?

almost all apps were fucking incompatible
this is why we are keeping the same architecture

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>>59669229

intel isn't scared of amd or ryzen. new msrp list released 2 days ago and not a single cent shaved off MSRP.

ryzen5 is going to flop so hard if it relies on 3600mhz DIMMs just like ryzen7.

>>59670226
The same company that said at its earnings call that it would rather lose marketshare than cut margins isn't lowering prices?

Color me surprised, are you new to Intel's business tactics for the last 30 years?

>>59670139
>the itanic meme
kek

>>59670254

but i thought intel ded???????

>>59670226
>3600Mhz
3000 is more than enough you fucking retard shill. Also Intel is clinging to the retarded idea that people will pay a premium for Intel so they get gimmicky crap like Optane and built-in Netflix DRM.

Always the same promises, if it has a 5% IPC increase it will already be "great".

>>59670436
>if it has a 5% IPC increase

It's a dieshrink of Skylake.
So no IPC increase, maybe 1%

>>59670226
The best way to get reduced intel cpus is just run though warehouse returns/surplus
Thousands in crates not going anywhere.

>>59669229

Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying -fuck- about announcements and/or day 1 benchmarks and just waits until a few weeks until the real user benchmarks of production units come in?

I get that it is exiting to hear about new products but speculating about performance of a non-existing product (engineering samples don't count, you cannot buy them) or even arguing about them is full retard territory.

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>>59669229
>Mobileshit
Yeah, Intel has given up on desktop computers

>>59669229
>Next generation is a generation ahead of old generation
WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT?

Intel was always more than a generation ahead of everyone else in terms of area scaling and feature size.
For some reason though, that never netted them a huge advantage at all.
Maybe these figures are only valid for their densest scaling library and not for those they use in their x86 desktop and laptop chips.

>>59669313


>Not knowing that the topic is fabrication processes

>>59669229
>Just Wait

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>>59670396
>3000 is more than enough
literally kys

>>59670820
>arma 3
Literally pajeetcode incarnate.

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>>59670834
kys I said. It literally never stops being good to have fast RAM. If you weren't computer illiterate you'd know a computer architecture is built first by memory and secondarily by a cpu.

>>59669229
Can't wait for 2019 guys!

>>59669229
>totally going to be performance increases guys!
>a whole 25% this time!
More like 5%. Again.

>>59670846
it does stop, the RAM can be so fast the CPU can't utilize it, then it is useless to be faster

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>>59670820

>he uses a shitty chipset with shitty memory controller where memory frequency matters outside of extremely synthetic benchmarks
>laughinggirls.jpg

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>>59670846
Would you kindly do a background fill on these? The transparency really fucks up on alternative styles to the point it's illegible.
Pic related.

I really don't think they will deliver 25% boost... At most 8%

>>59671321
>At most 8%
I'd say more of a 7%.

>>59671329
I'd say 1-2% real world benchmarks

>>59671370
1.6 to be precise. Please, this is /g/, we're all armchair CPU designers.

>10nm
>Shows a 53 x 34 nm fin

Wtf

>>59670957
Ryzen scales a lot more with RAM frequency due to infinity fabric clocking at exactly 50% of DRAM frequency.
So, increased RAM frequency means higher inter CCX bandwidth and lower inter CCX latency.

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>>59671741
>infinity fabric
I genuinely chuckled.

>>59671741
Interesting, would you mind giving your sources, because from what I read, it's fixed at 25Gbps or something like that and ram speed just compensate for this bottleneck.

>>59669229
>j-just wait guys, the next generation is gonna be great!

Just like delidlake, am I right? lol

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>>59671856

>>59671856
>tripfag
Into the filter it goes.

>>59672207
DELID

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>>59672358
Solder is only 2nd best next to liquid metal.
Delidded 6950X

>>59672185
Every fucking fanboy faggot for every company uses this argument. I've seen you losers say this for Intel, AMD and NVIDIA. Stop calling the kettle black, pot.

>>59672810
>TDP 1092 watts
I'm sure the temperature is accurate

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>>59671041

>>59669229
>are these x-rays of teeth?

no joke at one point inlet said 80 core desktops would be common, decade in and were still at quad..... how long till coffee lake?

>>59672857
Uh, I own an Intel CPU, so maybe slow down a bit on the fanboy accusations.

> I've seen you losers say this for Intel, AMD and NVIDIA

Holy shit, maybe that's because each of those companies have had instances of products with disappointing results that failed to meet expectations? Stop framing everything as some fanboy dispute, not everyone who shits on a company is some fanboy trying to throw shade.

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>>59673028
>decade in and were still at quad
They exist

>>59669229
>that fin height
manlets btfo

>>59671856
The fuck are you talking about?

>>59672810
Direct die cooling with solder as thermal compound senpai.
Don't forget to sandpaper the top of the die before soldering.

>>59669229
Remember when Intel scrapped plan to open their Arizona plant and mothballed the construction for 4 years because they decided other fabs were so far behind, they don't need to spend money to bring 10nm online quickly?

Remember when Intel rested on its laurels so long, Samsung blew past them and TSMC is nipping on their heel after decades of being far, far behind Intel?

Remember when Intel panicked started investing heavily in 10nm after a late start, but they couldn't catch up, so now they're making the bizarre claim that their 10nm process is _A FULL GENERATION_ ahead of others' 10nm processes because a couple features are slightly smaller than Samsung's?

>>59670820
>Arma 3

Can you pick a shittier, more poorly optimized pile of dogshit?

>>59670834
i dont know anon, arma 3 is a pretty well made game and BI are breddy good developers. t. not an employee

>>59669313
>I bought chinkshit and it's not as good as quality western stuff

What a fucking shocker. I got bit by the craze too back in the day with the teclas air 2 or some shit, fucking useless shit overheats all the time when doing anything else than light browsing.

Just get a proper tablet before you start bashing tablets.

>>59669277
Didn't he quit youtube?

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I will never truly understand how anyone on /g/ could actively and openly root for any one of the tech giants Intel, Microsoft, Apple, Alphabet/Google, Facebook, and HP. Are people really that deaf, dumb, and blind? Those corporations are a cancer on a humanity that values its freedom and anonymity.

>>59675008
nu-/g/ would argue against liberty and freedom at every possible turn, or will only defend it as some sort of utopian concept, like world peace or full employment.

They literally wont care about botnets because "nothing to hide xD". They will buy apple products because "haha im not poor". They will buy and use whatever they need to feel like they are superior to someone else somewhere on the internet.
AMD vs Intel is soccer-tier rivalry for nerds. They dont care about you and yet you shill their products like you're on the board.

>>59674678

Just career suicide.

>>59675008
Most of these kids are too young to know how it used to be.

>>59675008

go back to plebbit you commie

>>59669313
Wtf I love intel now

>>59670254
They need AMD to stay healthy.

Once AMD started to fuck up, companies grudgingly used Intel and paid premiums. At the same time, the companies funded ARM server projects and invested into the RISCV ISA as potential replacements for Intel processors in servers.

So of course, Intel would rather AMD look like a viable option, in hopes that many companies back away from ARM servers.

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>>59675272
>commie

Educate yourself, my friend. You have fallen for the false dichotomy. "If you hate fascism, you are a commie" is just as invalid as "If you hate communism, you are a fascist". Both remarks are as illiterate as suggesting that fascism is "right wing". My friend, both fascism and communism imply a massive, centralized, authoritarian government. As such, both ideologies are in opposition to freedom, liberty, and privacy. I loathe communism as much as I do fascism. My loyalties lie with the people, and anything that threatens to the freedom, liberty, and privacy of the people are my adversaries.

Wake up, anon, and join the good fight before there is no one left to speak out for sleepers like you.

>>59675494
You're not on the good board to talk about politics. >>>/pol/

>>59675494
People like you, who would have us all believe that humanity as a species is well enough that each man deserves the capability of judging purely by himself all other things, need only look at the ghettos of rich nations to see what such a culture truly brings the average man involved within it.

Lofty discussion only has a place in circles of wishful thinking, it always has, and it always will. For if not me to rule over you, you would be lording over me. That's the only true nature of humanity.

>>59669229
And WTF should they claim. That their node is going to be inferior?

>>59675678
>he is incapable of being in good terms with another human
>he is incapable of having a normal, friendly, reciprocating relationship with his fellow men
Fascists really are the scum of the earth. Delusional, bitter rejects that need to control and boss everyone around to mask their own insecurities.

>25% performance over Kaby Lake

Yeah, right.

>>59676094
Anarchists are just tools of the people who want to be in power after the modern regime falls.

I have to assume people who believe in a self-governance-per-man system are anarchists. That's the definition.

>>59675806
Their density IS unmatched tho.

>>59676218
They still won't win in a TDP fight against Ryzen. It's insanely efficient.

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>>59676250
Too bad it has 2012-tier performance. PooMD, always 5 years behind. Sad!

As somone whos CPU history is
i7 4790k
i5 3470
i5 760
Core 2 duo E8400

And last 4 laptops also being Core 2 duo, i5, and 2 i7s and a duel Xeon server

Literally havent owned an AMD since K6

Wow you Intel fags sure are butthurt

>>59676454
dual, even

>>59669313
>reddit formatting
why people do this?

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CPU history

>Intel Pentium 4 HT 3,4GHz
>i7 950

>mfw I've only had two cpus over the course of 13 years

>>59675678

The rich are not rich at the expense of the poor. Poor are not poor to the benefit of the rich. Is is not easy to become wealthy. Those who are wealthy have earned it through years of hard work, informed decisions, discipline and sacrifice. A deficiency in those things will have a detrimental effect.

You assume the pie never grows. New wealth is constantly generated. In addition, there is an enormous amount of wealth sloshing around that it is almost impossible to have difficulty capturing some of it.

Not everyone is going to be wealthy, but not everyone is going to be poor. I prefer to judge a society on the success and quality of life of its middle class. The middle class of the US is extremely successful and have unlimited resources available to them in order to live a life of comfort. Nothing is given away for free, and no one is entitled to live comfortably off the fruits of someone else's labor. But there is no society with a greater chance to succeed than the middle class of the US. That potential is the reason why the US is the country that everyone on the planet endeavors to reach, and that is why we must protect this shining city on the hill from all attempts at usurpation by the massive globalist tech giants and their authoritarian agenda.

> Intel claims

Well it must me true then... Good job OP

>>59669229
HOW CAN POOJEETS EVEN RECOVER

>can't win on electrostatics
>brag about scaling metrics
>meanwhile you literally have to cancel your 10nm server parts because yields are so horrible

Nice one, Krzanich. You're totally not going to get replaced.

>>59676870
>reddit formatting
what the fuck is this, are you referring to leaving a space between paragraphs?

>>59677474
Single lines are not paragraphs.

>>59677107
>have earned it through years of hard work
They just collect the "free" work of the workers.

Filthy bourgeois and your false propaganda.

By the way >>>/pol/

>>59677491
id sooner call it phone formatting

>>59669229
>25% more performance
>45% less power
they need it to compete with ryzen on their shitty 4cores

>>59677107
>The middle class of the US is extremely successful
You mean "was". The middle class in the US is no more.

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>>59677107
>The rich are not rich at the expense of the poor.

>>59676339
Kill yourself.

>>59677107
>The middle class of the US is extremely successful

How out of touch do you have to be to believe this?

>>59669229
Is this an early April's Fool article?

>>59670820
>3fps improvement for hundreds of dollars
Nice try, friendo

>>59675008
>What is AMD PSP
Just because it's an underdog doesn't mean it doesn't play by the rules, you idiot.

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>>59669313
>RISC V
Wat? Is there any indication whatsoever that this academic project is turning into a commercial venture, much less a successful one?

amd btfo yet again

>>59670881
While true in theory, RAM is so hopelessly behind CPU speeds that it will never be true in practice.

>>59672810
>
what was he trying to say by this?

>>59673138
There's a difference between common and existing

>>59672207
lol

>>59678742
Stay mad and poor, rebrandeon babby.

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>>59676339
Well, since Intel has made no performance advances of note since then, that seems pretty good.

muh nanometers

>>59677044
how did you ever afford a i7 950 if you couldnt afford an upgrade to a SB/IB/etc? That thing was like $600 when it was new. That said I only went from a 920 to a 5820k last year so..

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>>59677107
>The rich are not rich at the expense of the poor.

>>59675210
What he said

>>59671856
Oh this Intlel again who got BTFO last week

>>59675494
>>>/pol/ pls go

>>59669313

None of these girls have child bearing hips

My previous remains flaccid