The House just voted to wipe away the FCC’s landmark Internet

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>>59636681
>If Trump signs the legislation as expected, providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online and, without their permission, use their personal and financial information to sell highly targeted ads.

this shit has been happening for years
t. Obama Administration

>washingtonpost.com
fucking kill yourself commie

>people defending/playing it down.
This is fucking pathetic. Some political form of cognitive dissonance.

>recently put into place laws that haven't even gone into effect yet are being repealed
Oh no, literally nothing happened

>If Trump signs the legislation as expected, providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online and, without their permission, use their personal and financial information to sell highly targeted ads.
They have always been able to do that. The fact that you didn't even know this shows how little the issue actually means to you and that you're clearly only jumping on the bandwagon so you can shit-talk the opposing political party.

>>59636725
>>59636705
>guys, this has always been happening
>that's why it's okay to repeal this recent law that didn't even start being applied yet that was meant to prevent this from continuing
Damn, /g/ sucks at logic. That's why you hardly even fizzbuzz.

>>59636758
You're talking to ISP shills, hide and report.

So, what is the best VPN? Do they fuck with download speeds, I've never used one.

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>>59636758
you're one delusional person

>>59636842
tunnelr

>>59636681

Good.

The US better embrace capitalism or they are literally communists.

>>59636724

Dude, maybe you're just the faggot losing his shit about literally nothing.

All this highlights, to me at least, is how flawed the system of internetworking is in terms of privacy and access. You're only renting the usage of these company's networks, so should they not have a say in how you use it and what they do with the information that they gain from you using it?

>>59636922
Being spied on by Big Brother ISPs sounds a lot like communism. Privacy is fundamental to private property, and breaching privacy is violating the NAP.

>>59636958
>Privacy is fundamental to private property

Only YOUR private property. If you use the property of others they are the ones who set the rules, correct?

Aren't they just moving it from the FCC to the FTC and it'll get new regulations about privacy?

>>59636972
Install a camera in your bathroom and let the government see.

What? Do YOU own the sewage pipes? No? Ok, go ahead, install that camera.

>>59636972
Exactly. Which is why ISPs should not be able to abuse my property like that. How old are you?

>>59636980
>republicans
>making new regulations
unlikely

>>59636991
Have you ever owned a house? Any shit goes wrong on your property you foot the bill, because it's on your property.

>>59636996
But you're using their property. I bet it's even their router sat in your house.

>>59636972
No. If I hire a train to deliver my property across the country, the railroad company has (by the very definition of property) no jurisdiction over MY property inside their train. Train = their property. My package = my property.

How do you even live with the cognitive disonance that only the ISPs' property matters but not the customers' property?

How is my ISP going to sell ads?

Am I going to get pop ups on my computer from my ISP?

My ISP is invisible to me, they have no presence on my screen unlike google, how will they sell ad space?

>>59636958

Companies being able to sell valuable goods (information in this case) is just capitalism.

Governments micro-managing what companies can and cannot do is basically communism.

>>59637016
And I am paying them in money for that. Isn't that enough? Do they really need to also be allowed to use my property (namely my private data) for their own profit? How is that fair?

>>59637024
The train company knows your package is aboard their carriage, correct? How is this any different.

As long as they don't look INSIDE your package then it's fine, correct?

>>59637052
>Governments micro-managing what companies can and cannot do is basically communism.

So you don't know what communism is? might want to look that up

>>59637052
So what you're saying is communism is better than capitalism?

Couldn't agree more.

>>59637016
>But you're using their property. I bet it's even their router sat in your house.

bait

>>59637052

Communism has nothing to do with that. Communism is about collective ownership of the means of production. Stop throwing around labels like that in a crude and desperate attempt to persuade people to agree with you by fear of belonging to "the adversary team".

>>59637052
>Governments micro-managing what companies can and cannot do is basically communism.

communism is when the state owns the means of production (factories, businesses), not when the state says phone companies or ISPs can't spy on their customers

>>59637006
I would like to have a nice relationship with my government, if possible.

This is good:

Me: Pay taxes
Government: Organizes stuff I cannot organize

As opposed to:

Me: Pay taxes
Government: Puts camera in my bathroom

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>>59637031

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>>59637031
>How is my ISP going to sell ads?
>Am I going to get pop ups on my computer from my ISP?
>My ISP is invisible to me, they have no presence on my screen unlike google, how will they sell ad space?

dunno lol

>>59637031

they take everything you browse and log it
websites that sell advertising can lease it to companies who will contact your isp and ask - what does anon here like?
those spaces will be filled with adverts of your interests - pink dildos and cream

>but i have an adblocker
good for you!
you know how companies get hacked?
you know how the information gets leaked by the hackers?
would you like everyone on the planet to know exactly what you browse?
i dont. i look at some dodgy shit.

its not just the potential advertising
its the full indexing of everything you do online

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> there are people in /g/ who supports this because this is Daddy Trump's party's bill

Like wtf happened here? What's next, you're going to bend over and use substandard encryption too?

>>59637084

But this is how American politics work, right? You are either with us or with the terrorists.

>>59637095

You got something to hide, bub?

>>59637132
>civilian-grade encryption
>substandard
Fuck off encryptard with your misinformation.

Asymmetric law-enforcement-only backdoors are perfectly secure. The backdoors can only be used by the ones who planted them and only with a warrant.

The only difference between civilian-grade encryption and military-grade encryption is that military-grade is not asymmetrically (or in any other way) backdoored.

Study more.

>>59637132
See: >>59637145

The "my team" mental illness is very strong in NA.

>>59637157
Anyone who does not expose themselves for government inspect in all aspects of life is either a terrorist or a pedophile. Whether you are eating, pooping, walking, or sleeping, you have a duty to let the government watch. Doing otherwise means that you a communist Hitler bin Laden pedo criminal.

>>59637145
That's just how humans in general work. They tend to be fearful of hateful labels because they wanna be a part of a larger group and feel the need to please (or at least not anger) the other members of their group. That's why politics are done like that: just label ideas you don't want people to adopt with hateful labels like "fascist", "communist", "something-phobic", etc.

>>59637164
>Asymmetric law-enforcement-only backdoors are perfectly secure. The backdoors can only be used by the ones who planted them and only with a warrant.
Cool meme NSA shill.

>>59637186
Filtered.

Oh no, this was going to change so much. It's not like government regulation and municipalities taking preferences to certain ISPs and cutting out competition got us here in the first place.

You can really tell who's fresh off the boat from Reddit in these threads, because they're just always talking about those ebil republitards ruining everything while the good guys like John Leibowitz are fighting for them. These bug brains think they're gonna be the good guys leading the charge in a cyberpunk world, while living in it for the whole time as background characters.

>>59637204

Is there a way of automatically filtering all trip codes? There literally has never been a valuable contribution by a tripfag.

>>59637234
4chanX can do forced anonymity for all users or if you don't even want to see the tripfag, you can use the filters to filter out any tripcode.

>>59637210
topcuck

>>59637210
>ISPs spy on customers
>"it's government's fault, guys! we need fewer government regulations! the poor ISPs dindu nuffin!"
You sound just like libtards blaming guns for killings.

Stop with the ideological verborrhage too.

>>59637264

Thanks!

I guess it's best to filter all tripcodes then. Shouldn't be long before I filtered all of this clinically retarded minority.

>>59637192
>science is a meme

>>59637324
>Backdoors are secure
>Oh shit, a bug was found that lets someone get around the encryption the government promised was secure
>Oh shit, someone stole all the private keys and now anyone can get around the encryption now.
Keep shilling NSA, you're not going to win.

>>59637345
First problem is solved by cryptanalysis.

Second problem is solved by forward secrecy.

Anything else?

>being a cryptographical illiterate

>>59637369
>defending backdoors
Wow.

>>59637384

Wouldn't you if it were your job?

Also: Retarded comment by tripfag

>>59637164
Look at snowden.
Look at vault7.

One single person fails at their duty, private keys get leaked and suddenly all your "civilian encryption collapses":
Banks, infrastructure, satelites, electricity, emails, accounts on sites, privacy, logins and passwords on computers, research in uni and corporates, credit cards ...

I dont know from whom you want to defend your country, but when your "internet infrastructure" goes to shit, your country sort of stop working properly and goes into chaos and anarchy without singke bullet shot from your enemy.

Please stop spreading memes and educate yourself. The only way to be secure is when EVERYBODY (your enemies included) are secure.

>>59637384
Filtered out.

>>59637369
>It's literally impossible for the bad guys to find our backdoors and it's literally impossbile for a breach to happen. For get the NSA and CIA leaks, they don't count. Literally nobody could get around our encryption because it's literally impossible. You can trust the government, we would never lie to you or decrypt all your secrets behind your back because we don't like you. We are your friend and would never betray you.

>>59637405

This will give the people the chance to rebuild society to their liking. Let it burn.

>>59637099
I have AT&T and hated when they implemented this.

Easiest and probably only way to get something out of me.

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>>59637405
>your enemies must be secure too, goy
It's funny how you say that and at the same time accuse ME of being the shill.

Why are American so obsessed with Corporations becoming a Government with unlimited private political power and authority?

A government with no checks and balances is never good thing. Why would it be good for the corporations?

>>59636724
It's unnerving.
>oh, who cares, they already do it!
>why have any thoughtful opinion about anything!
>just pick one of two extremes about every matter!

>>59637416
So you're suggesting everything is so broken it needs to die like a phoenix and be reborn from it's ashes?

>>59637405
Mutually Assured Destruction applied to digital technology.

>>59637413
>"It's literally impossible for the bad guys to find our backdoors"
>I don't know how an asymmetric backdoor works
Please, you're just making your cryptographical illiteracy more evident with every post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_(computing)#Asymmetric_backdoors

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>>59637420
N-nani

>>59637292
It is the government's fault you fucking retard. Municipalities gave the rights to their telephone poles to one company and expect shit to work out. The federal government can't do shit even if they tried because local laws can overpower state laws. Using your gun analogy, it's the same reason that California has fucking retarded gun laws compared to the rest of the US, even though the 2nd amendment exists.

>>59637052
All this >muh capitalism
America hasn't been Capitalist in years
When Obama was paid to undermine our coal industry, guess who bought it all, and now Trump brings it all back into power, under a sole owner
Sounds like fucking capitalism. Can't beat the system, become the system. Hurray for this new brand of capitalism being praised everywhere by debt monkeys.

>>59637458
Of course, now I see how it's the government's fault that the ISPs are taking all their customers' private info and selling it to the highest bidder.

At last I truly see.

>>59637453
>Please be aware, it may take up to 48 hours to process your request. If you are an AT&T DSL customer you'll need to restart your modem for the opt out to become effective.
It never ends.

>>59637425
>just pick one of two extremes about every matter!
In the USA, being in the middle is the exact same thing as being on the opposite side.

>>59637423
Ever since Clinton we've spiraled out of control, rapidly and violently. The media is owned by the same people that fund our politicians. We have no savior and Trump can barely function.

>>59637447
Your backdoor is running off the assumption that the government is pure and honest and would never work against your interest. How do you know the person who planted it won't start working against you because they don't like you?

>>59637491
I agree, tripfag. Civil war when.

>>59637491
Polarizing politics is the way the right found to control us. That is why the US is still one of the most backwardsly right-wing countries in the world.

>>59637511
its the Puritans

>>59637498
Checks and balances, rule of law, shit like that. You know, this is not the first time we're giving the government some power that can be abused. Mechanisms to deal with that have already been invented. Welcome to modernity.

>>59637511
>polarization of two sides
>i-it's the right's fault!

>>59637435
>mutually assured destruction
Except when you fire off nuke, it is pretty easy with our current technology to find out from where it go. And nuke wasteland is very scary even for dum dum politicians.

But when you are from super poor country, there is really not much you can lose by killing lets say usa online infrastructure. And in online world you can make a lot of fake evidence to claim it was somebody else. So really hindering your online security is just short sighted way how to get all pedos.

>>59637421
It is pretty clear you have run out of arguments so you went for
>ad hominem
good luck to you for what ever reason you do this.

>>59637511
The US doesn't have any right wing politicians. Just rebranded conservatives akin to the new age liberals. They want big Gov to manage small business instead of letting it manage itself.
In today's world, real conservatives are killed off in car accidents.

>>59637531
It is though.

>>59637210
>ebil republitards
But they are evil.

https://stallman.org/republican-election-rigging.html

>>59637530
Government doesn't give a fuck about the rule of law, they're trying to chip it away right now.

>>59637543
So you suggest anarchy?

>>59637543
The Government would care more if 3rd parties didn't line their pockets and Americans could scrutinize them, or they were subject to the laws they write for everyone else.

>>59637531
it is, the right has always silenced the left
I doubt you would know, but leftists use to fight for freedom of speech

>>59637553
I want a government that isn't going to betray the country they promised to protect.

>>59637542
Hate to be the one to break this to you, but from an outsider's perspective, the difference between the dems and repubs is MUCH smaller than what the talking TV heads pretend it is.

>>59637568
The party of yesteryear isn't the party of today. Two feet carrying the same nation crushing deity.

>>59637535
This anon gets it. More people need to be redpilled.

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>>59637569
How are they supposed to protect it from threats such as terrorism and child pornography without the capability of investigation?

Do you even have an idea how many crimes go unsolved because of encryption?

#UnlockJustice

>>59637475
Yes, it is the government's fault on a local level, because they favored 4 big companies that were one big company at one point and made it impossible for a small company to enter the market. In any other country, you could switch to an other ISP that won't sell your information., but many places in the US only have one choice.

>>59637588
>Do you even have an idea how many crimes go unsolved because of mathematics?

>>59637588
>He doesn't know the CIA runs child porn rings, controls the drug trade, and manages terrorist groups
Yeah man, it's all this evil freedom that's the problem. Next we should take away free speech because you might deny the 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 were killed by evil aryan monsters like yourself

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>>59637577
But I know that, anon. Which is why we are working to change the Democratic party.

>>59637577
Democrats and republicans are similar but where they differ the republicans are usually on the "wrong" side.

>>59637634
Like voter IDs? Or illegal immigration?

>>59637634
Republicans don't want people going to jail because they made someone upset on the internet.

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>>59637604
>do you even have an idea how many people die because of physics?

do you even have an idea how many people die?

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>>59637614
>unironically believing pizzagate

>>59637593
Guess who facilitated that? The fucking companies. Fuck off with your bullshit scapegoating.

>>59637636
Yes to both of those. Democrats aren't even against voter IDs, I bet they would fully support national IDs but republicans are against national IDs so we get this weird compromise thing where each state has their own ID and republican states try to use them as a sort of poll tax.

>>59637660
Pizzagate and pedogate are two different things my shill friend and suspicion of child porn rings controlled by the CIA have been around for much longer. Why not investigate the bankers and the agents who fund the drug lords before taking more freedom away from citizens.

>>59637660

This, what an enormous faggot.

>>59637636
>voter IDs
Read http://www.stallman.org/republican-election-rigging.html

>illegal immigration
That's an unamerican misnomer, no immigration is illegal. Just some immigrants have not been documented.

>>59637660
He's a trumptard, he'd believe China had sky castles flying over America if the mango Mussolini said so

>>59637666
>666
>democrats support voter IDs, it's the Rs fault we don't have them

>>59637684
https://www.thenation.com/article/alabama-birthplace-of-voting-rights-act-once-again-gutting-voting-rights/

>>59636681
Good. You are free to not buy their services if you disagree with their practices. The market works.

>>59637660
>>59637676
>>59637680
CIA shills sure jumped on that one pretty quickly. I must be shaking them up big time and they're scared.

>>59637660
>unironically falling for media psy-ops

>>59637679
Is entering your house without permission legal or illegal?

>>59637634
You mean like how Republicans don't want to import """""refugees""""" that will rape your dog and kill your daughter?

>>59637701
>everyone I disagree with is a shill

>>59637701
>S-Shill!!!!!!!!!
Go away trumptard

>>59637695
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-says-voter-id-laws-are-a-legacy-of-jim-crow-and-slavery/

>>59637717
>>59637721
>Stop thinking citizen, the government is your friend. Good citizens don't think they just listen.

>>59637665
Guess who fucking let them facilitate that, the fucking local government, what is so hard for you to grasp about this?

>>59637615
keith muhammed, sorry, keith ellison will change it into what? a far-left radical organization sympathetic to nation of islam? no thanks.

>>59637660
>caring more about bullying people on the inter about pizzagate than real world child trafficking

>>59637701
>>59637731
ISIS and NAMBLA shills pls leave.

>>59637673

Not.
Even.
One.
Piece.
Of.
Evidence.
Or.
Source.

>>59637741
The CIA controlls ISIS and NAMBLA, CIA shill.

>>59637697
the market needs to be regulated because corporations cannot control their greed and have no ethics

>>59637726
Voter ID laws are being used like that.

I support IDs for voting but it frequently disenfranchises actual voters and doesn't seem to catch many fraudulent voters. It seems to be doing more harm than good overall.

>>59637762
>>>/pol/pizza

>>59637769

That's already happening. The market is regulated by the government that cannot control their greed and have no ethics.

>>59637679
Stallman's such a psycho commie. It's crazy.

>>59637769
Yeah, unlike the US government that can control the economy. They're morally superior to these evil companies, waging justified wars in the Middle East, and justifiably spying on its own citizens.

>>59637804
He's not against capitalism, but isn't against idea of socialism so he's more of a democratic socialist.

>>59637821
What a tool.

The FCC shouldn't have the power to declare anything a utility. That is the purview of the FTC. If you start allowing government organizations to perform the same functions you risk them delegitimizing each other.

Not too hard to understand.

People are passing around memes that say with this law, any citizen will be able to purchase any US citizens internet history. Is it true that everyones private shit will be open for anyone to buy and sift thru?

Im just imagining the fallout of my family doxxing each other like that and yikes.

I'm telling you, if even one banker with a mere conincidence jewishing name was executed per week for funding drug lords and child porn production you would see the supply drop like a rock pretty fucking quickly.

>>59637869
Only if you can afford extreme bulks at can out bid Facebook, and after that have the resources to process it.

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>>59637733
The far-right is the one that has a record of funding radical Islamists though, anon.

>>59638184
This right versus left football game is why you're a fucking loser with your ass caught up with every dick that passes through the political system you fund.

>>59638201
The "third-way" meme is why you're a fucking loser who dwells in your mum's basement and masturbates to Cambodian cartoons.

>>59638238
>referring to things as memes
Go back to >>>/pol/

>>59636681
ISPs used to just route and forward packets but now apparently they own your whole Internet life. Let's see if Trump really defends The People as he says.

>>59638341
CTR pls go

>>59638360
Fuck you nigger if Trump signs this his is putting the rope on his neck himself.

>>59638360
CTR was disbanded after Hillary's campaign stopped funding them.
Shareblue's the new big guy in town, funding by China and NGOs of the USA.

Those kikes are gonna monitor you regardless if you give a shit about privacy you should be using a VPN anyways

https://www.searchinternethistory.com/
Who will you look up, /g/?

>>59637542
>Republican election rigging
>Completely ignores how DNC rigged primaries in Hillary's favor

Stallman is the type of blockhead that only living one's whole life in academia and not doing anything outside of it can create.

You shouldn't be worry if you don't have anything to hide

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>>59638567
>rigged
You keep using that word...

What Republicans do is actual rigging because we're talking about public official elections. What the Democrats did was not rigging because it's their own fucking party and they get to dictate the rules and how they wanna pick their candidates.

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>>59638487
is ok when every other internet service spies on you
but when this particular spying has something to do with trump, it's the worst fucking thing ever

>>59638567
Primaries are not elections.

Fucking Christ

>>59638567
>Completely ignores how DNC rigged primaries in Hillary's favor
But that's wrong, you fucking retard. Stallman not only did not ignore Sanders' systematic disenfranchisement, he was one of the first to denounce it. Check his political notes:

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2016-may-aug.html

>>59638668
>It's OK to spy if Trump says so.
No spying is OK and much less if someone that proudly says that he defends the people sells out the privacy of citizens for monetizing reasons.

>>59638567
Primaries are not election durr

>>59638775
don't lie to yourself
you only care about this thing because it has something to do with trump

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>>59638915
The left has defended privacy rights for far longer than Drumpf's been around, newfriend.

>>59638663

>What the Democrats did was not rigging because it's their own fucking party and they get to dictate the rules and how they wanna pick their candidates.

I'm not talking about super delegates. I'm talking about the Podesta emails where they were already talking about everything as if she won the primaries in 2015, and how they set up events to make her get easier questions and such.

>>59638814
Then why are they called primary elections :+)?

>>59638934
And just like workers rights they'll fuck that over to please the elitists.

>>59638934
Is that why obongo deregulated the NSA one month before leaving office? Is that why he blamed Bush during the Snowden leaks, yet didn't do anything?

Maybe one day Amerishits will realize they're just products, not even human

>>59638915
Classic projection.

>>59638934
The fuck you talking about you psycho commie.

>>59638985
:(

>>59638976
That nigger should be in jail still it's no excuse for Trump to do the same mistakes.

>>59637059
The ISPs want to be be able to look inside your package you retard. No one is saying ISPs shouldn't know that you are using their wires to transmit something, that's just retarded.

To convince people that the botnet is bad, use Trump. It was an outrage when the idea of a Muslim registry came up, so if someone says they have nothing to hide tell them that Trump could use it to easily make a registry of any demographic and use it to persecute them. It's not even that dirty of a trick because it's an actual reason to reject this stuff.

>>59637024
>How do you even live with the cognitive disonance that only the ISPs' property matters but not the customers' property?
you sign away your data rights when you agree to purchase their service. do you just sign anything without reading the fine print?

> internet privacy
> in the age of google, facebook, and data mining

>killed policy that wasn't enforced yet
>the previous policy would have still let them sell your data

>>59639266
>safety
>in the age of terrorism, guns, and drone strikes

>>59639266
did u no that every tiem u use google or gmail, drumpf gets a dollar??

>>59638946
What DNC did was an internal party thing. The swam needs to be drained there.

What the Republicans/Trump did was collude with Russia. Gotta drain the entire Republican down the toilet. America would be a better country.

>>59639314
Safety is a meme used for enforcing surveillance.

>>59639315
What kind of childish insult is this? Oh, you're probably one of those Karlie the Koders

>>59638934
>this is what leftypol shills actually believe

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>>59636681
>landmark
>washingtonpost
when you do things like this it makes me not want to believe you at all and think that getting rid of this thing is probably a good idea

>>59639394
at least karlie kan kode and doesn't invade people's privacy on the internet...

So, what kind of VPN show I use? I'm guessing Opera's is a no-go?

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Should have voted for McAfee, cucks

>>59636681
Wtf I love open borders, islamism, and H1B abuse now!

>>59636681
I work at an ISP
You brainlets don't understand. They're not in it to sell your data, they're doing this because the government wants free reign on your data and where you go, previously it has been protected and only accessible if they got a warrant. It's retroactive too and no longer requires a legal process to see your data headers

However this is great because once a case goes to the Supreme court they will likely vote in favor of the 4th amendment and solidify Internet privacy

Shitty right now, sure. Great future though

But you all use VPNs right?

Remember https does not protect you as good as you might think. Your ISP can see which IP and which domain you open in clear text format. They can not see the full url, but they can see the domainname. Remember that.

>>59639542
You should use dnscrypt.

>>59639531
>But you all use VPNs right?

I'm not sure which VPN to go for. They say Opera has one for free but it seems way too shady.

>>59636842
IVPN if you got money

This whole thing makes American Internet China tier.

>>59639531
Only 4 liberal judges left in the SCOTUS. If Ginsberg dies during Trump's presidency it's game over for the libcucks.

>>59639556
That is new to me, seems fine, but what if these servers keep logs? Wouldn't that be funny?
>inb4 german, canada and us servers.

>>59638934
Decent b8, but your pic gave it away.

>>59636681
Disgusting. Republicans and Donald-worshipping cucks will defend this or pretend it never happened.

Shame on you.

>>59639599
Do some research on why they voted this way. And I mean real research, not reading a headline on buzzfeed about how much money congressmen received from ISPs.

>>59639685
No one will leave this thread to persue more knowledge. Those that know what's going on came here with this knowledge. Everyone will leave as they came, some will just be angry

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>>59637164
>>59637369
>>59637447
>>59637530
>>59637588

hello, hueland's military grade shill
How many buzzwords will you throw today to defend authoritarianism?

>>59639759
He gets paid by buzzwords per post.

>wow my APP USAGE is now sold my ISPs to literally who

wow

>>59639677
In the same way that liberals pretend Obama didn't extend the NSA's power during his last term, allowing the identities of US citizens obtained by spying to be exposed to people who aren't even in the intelligence community?

>>59639815
Reminder that Obama got Nobel fucking peace prize for bombing the ever living shit out of middle East and continuing the use of Guantanmo and extending the rights of Intelligency Agencies

A fucking peace prize.

http://www.vocativ.com/415350/house-rep-pushing-to-set-back-online-privacy-rakes-in-industry-funds/

drumpf in drag lol

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>>59636842
>"Yeah I'd like a listing of all of your subscribers who's traffic mainly looks irrational and consists of a dead end, likely outside of our country."
next day
>KNOCK KNOCK
>"We got a warrant and probable cause based on this unusual Web history. We're seizing your electronics."


Lol /g/ is going to jail.

>>59639842
The double think is real

>>59638976
>Obongo
>left
Nigga's a neocon, ya chump.

>an orange zionist oligarch selling out the common man
WOW WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?

>>59639799

At this point, I don't really care what they do to my data. It doesn't even phase me anymore/

>>59639252
>it's in the contract so it's okay
There's this thing called ETHICS, you know.

>>59639759
>everyone who disagrees with me is a single person

>>59639759

NAMBLA paid shill pls go.

>>59639572
I think hotspot shield has a Firefox plugin
You really want to use a VPN that isn't US based for obvious reasons

>>59639927
>anti-americanism
>in an American forum
Pls go.

>>59639879
ISPs can now sell your Application Data (whatever that really means) and browsing data (which means like how long you stayed in page, how much you clicked - the Search Engine Optimization Data)

but, these are the 2 things they can now sell.

but, these have been sold for YEARS by the actual websites or datamined by y Google bots and services that you use daily. Every website has done this. Facebook, Google, Yahoo, MS, every big player or medium player.

And nobody cares about THAT

why is that?

>>59639919
>>59639903
t. CIA
Your internation drug and child porn operations are coming to an end.

>>59639939

America itself is acting un-American, fuck off. I'm no patriot to the cucked country.

>>59639941
>why is that?
because drumpf
if drumpf owned microsoft, nobody would use windows

>>59637164
>Asymmetric law-enforcement-only backdoors are perfectly secure. The backdoors can only be used by the ones who planted them and only with a warrant.
>shilling for NSA this hard

>>59639944
>be a NAMBLA shill
>accuse me of running child porn operations
Not sure if bait.

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>>59639944
>p-pls let me have my encryption so I can blow you up
Stop already, Ahmed. You're not fooling anyone.

>>59639939
> police crawl through your headers
> ton of encrypted data from a known vpn IP
> vpn us based
> crawl through VPN headers and link you together and figure out what you have been doing
Clearly 4th amendment violation.
They aren't allowed to see your phone records without a warrant so why should they be allowed to see your Internet history?

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>libtards trying to make this into an all important meme on reddit
>they censored the fuck out of wikileaks proving all intelligence agencies permanently store every single piece of data ever transmitted on the internet in every first world country which they use to blackmail our elected leaders and to threaten and control politicians and government agents
>we are supposed to be outraged that some shitty ISP wants to sell browsing statistics to another company
>an ISP that only has a monopoly to begin with because they fund the campaigns of political hack democrats like Comcast MSNBC does

explain to me how this isnt manufactured outrage meant to attack companies or republicans.

>>59639981
>>59639982
Keep shilling CIA, you won't control the evils you claim to be against anymore.

>>59639842
He got the prize after like five months on the job, it was so stupid. They gave it to the EU once for no reason. The Peace Prize is a joke now.

>>59639986
Because ISPs are ACTUALLY and OBJECTIVELLY hijacking your DNS queries (see >>59637099). This is not make-believe like your Wikileaks conspiracy theories, this is for real.

>>59639986
It's a shitty thing IMHO that ISPs can sell my browsing data and application data.

and a slippery slope. I donn't care about meme parties they are all just puppets

>>59639941
Because le ebil boogey man donald drumpf supports it therefore it is bad!!!! hold up lemme tune into the MSM so it can tell me what to think next

>>59636681
So my mom will get hentai ads since we're in the same network?

>>59639868
>oligarch
>can't even pass his healthcare

>>59639677
I'm pretty okay with Trump, but even I think this is awful on so many levels.

At least this is one case where mainstream media is on the same page with us for once.

>>59639941
>And nobody cares about THAT
Excuse me, but are you clinically retarded?
We've been fighting this shit for over a decade and only recently have been able to achieve some real milestones that YOU are now destroying.

>>59640006
>This is not make-believe like your Wikileaks conspiracy theories, this is for real.
you are really making a good case for why i shouldnt give a fuck about this and how youre just a paid shill by pretending the wikileaks stuff is fake

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>>59640033
>conspiracy theories about child prostitution rings being run off of pizzerias
>you're a paid shill if you doubt it

>>59640048
>Pizzagate isn't real
prove it

>>59640022
Drumpf couldn't pass his either.

>>59639985
>4th ammendment violation
?
No its not. They bought that data legally from its rightful owners, the ISP. You also consent to forfeit ownership of that information when you sign up with your ISP. So really, it's more like people can now buy information packets about people, but due to the willing middleman, it's legally not violating 4th ammendment in any way.

It's kind of like your wife or mom opening the door to your house (or the house they own and you just live in) and inviting in the police even though you didn't want them in. It's not your call to make if you don't want information about your home shared anymore.

>>59639939
American VPN's are likely to be compromised, it's been proven multiple times that even TOR isn't safe from FBI monitoring exit nodes.

Europe takes it's privacy very seriously, it's one of the few benefits of the EU. A VPN operating from Germany or the Netherlands or Sweden is unlikely to have an undue amount of intrusion or dragnet monitoring.

>>59639999
What a waste of some pretty good quads.

>>59640057
>proving a negative
You're trying to hard, son. Gotta be more subtle with your bait.

Also,
>burden of proof

Whats the problem? just change ISP's if the fuck you over......ohhhh yeah I forgot the invisible hand of the free market = monopoly, well guess you are fucked then.

>>59640048
Pizzagate could very well be a falseflag but you can't deny the weird coincidences

>>59640070
>muh europe
No thanks, I'm not supporting that socialist shithole. My American money goes to American businesses!

>>59640070
>Germany.
No
>Netherlands.
No.

If you can find VPN from Switzerland you might have a good argument.

>>59640093
There is no free market in the ISP market, it's a corporate monopoly created in communion by government regulations/deregulations + ISPs.

This is just correcting the FCC overstep. The FTC will declare ISPs a utility before the end of the year and all this shit will eventually be rolled back again. It wasn't done properly in the first place, which is why this had to be repealed. Only the R's are smart enough to realize that proper protocols must be followed, you can't just let any 3-letter agency declare something a utility and infringe on private business.

>>59639941
>one wrong somehow justifys other wrongdoings
trump supporters are actually this stupid

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>>59640099
>weird conspiracies

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>>59640048
>brings up pizzagate in a thread about the NSA CIA and ISPs collecting all your data


hmmm really makes you wonder if the people promoting the reddit meme about how awful this repeal would be are really just the same paid shills who spam reddit and 4chan

>>59640106
>>Germany.
>No
>>Netherlands.
>No.
Explain

>>59640111
Nice wishful thinking, deluded faggot.

>>59640122
How is a picture of an irrelevant conspiracy proving me wrong?
Are you CIA?

>>59640118
I wan't to understand why people take Facebook and Google fucking them in the ass like it's no fucking biggie

but then when ISP can sell your SEO-data you go fucking nuts.

When they can't even compare to the amount of SEO-data, browsing data, app data Google and FB and their subsidiaries can sell and buy to profile the fucking WORLD

>>59640124
>everything is a conspiracy against me
That's literally your answer for anything.

>>59640149
see
>>59640118

>>59640099
It's probably real but I'm unsure if it's an underground sex ring. They do very clearly use food as slang for something, but the rest feels like a reach. I'd be more inclined to think they're dealing drugs when they're talking about having pizza parties or ordering hundreds of hotdogs for a small get together.

There's no way anyone is moving one hundred people in silence on a whim to a small building and nobody notices anything, unless there are like entire communities in the states that are in on it, keeping quiet, and acting as safe havens for illicit acts by govt agents. Just makes more sense if someone is moving hundreds of grams of something, or maybe a hundred cuban cigars.

>>59640111
>The FTC will declare ISPs a utility before the end of the year
Why the fuck would they do that? If ISPs are a utility then the FTC relinquishes control.

>>59640148
It proves you wrong because it shows weird coincidences are not proof of conspiracy.

Now fuck off back to whichever hole you came from.

>>59640138
>we should let different agencies perform duplicate functions

Nothing good will come of that. At best they will agree and we will have to pay for more bureaucracy. At worst they will disagree and delegitimatize each other.

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>>59640152
>people talking about ISP, NSA, CIA data collection
>strawmans about muh pizzagate pizzerias
hmm really makes you think who these people are that are spamming memes about how terrible this repeal would be all over 4chan and reddit
hmmmmmm yes it really does make you think

>>59640165
I never said it was proof you dumbass

>>59640106
>i-it's not a real free market!
Just like the Venezuela isn't real socialism, right?

>>59636705
>it's okay if trump does it

>>59640157
No you fucking faggot that does not answer to the question how a fucking change of regulatory body causes this much ruckus

Why iss not there a fucking 300 reply thread about how Facebook anogle sell the data of the ENTIRE WORLD (and SELL MUCH MORE DATA THAN ISPS CAN SELL)

every fucking day
on here

why
you fucking retarded double standard slave

>>59636681
>providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online
>providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online
>providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online
>providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online
>providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online
Are you really that retarded that you think they haven't already been logging every single thing you do and sending weekly reports to the NSA and CIA for like 10 years now? ISPs have never been your friend, and they've been doing the personalized ad shit for years too. USE A FUCKING VPN

>>59640124
>>59640175
I liked this new pasta.

>>59640149
Because I can choose not to use Facebook or Google. I can block their addresses in my HOSTS file.

I need to gimp my speed with Tor/VPN if I want to prevent my ISP from tracking me. And commonly you can't choose another ISP.

>>59640201
We already know Facebook do these things. They're completely wrong and so is this. Loving the damage control.

>>59640175
I am starting to believe that Google, Amazon, YouTube, etc. are the ones against repealing this because they want a monopoly on selling user data.

>>59640190
I just explained to you how it is not free market.

Adam Smith wouldn't define the current ISP situation of US as free market.

Frederich Hayek wouldn't define the current ISP situation of US as a free market.

Karl Marx wouldn't define the currnet ISP situation of US as a free market.

>>59640208
Post this with your 4chan pass sign and I might buy your bullshit.

>>59636681
>protections approved just last year
so basically all the fuss is about the stuff that was happening all the time?

>>59640169
>red herring

Its disgusting how low this place has sunk

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>>59640218
Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos who owns Amazon.com

hmmmmm really makes you think...

>>59640218
Y-YOU CONSPIRACY THEORISTS

>>59640201
We get a thread on that every day in the privacy threads and people frequently state that they abstain from social media as a result.

The problem now is that there is no abstaining from your ISP. That'd be like abstaining from the roads. Facebook is more like a shady burger joint that you know you can avoid.

>>59640149
>>59640218
>I wan't to understand why people take Facebook and Google fucking them in the ass like it's no fucking biggie
Except it IS and the left is constantly fighting against THAT breach of privacy as well (see https://stallman.org/google.html and https://stallman.org/facebook.html and other Stallman pages as well), you fucking retard. Why do you have to literally LIE to make your point?

>muh Google FaceBook JewTube red herring
Those are terrible, but not the subject of this thread. Not to mention ISPs are doing something much worse. Google isn't literally hijacking your DNS queries.

Now stop muddying the waters, you paid ISP shills.

>>59640164
it didn't stop them from doing it to water, gas, electricity, telecommunications, mail, etc, etc, why should the internet be any different? Regardless, that's the commission that should be bearing the brunt of this pushback, not the congressmen trying to right a wrong

>>59640085
>CIA agent deny their very diabolical operation
Typical. /pol/ is on your ass and you'll soon be BTFO.

>>59640217
>They are completely wrong.
Yes, they are.

>Damage control.
No. I¨'m literallys creaming out of my lungs that you are trying to wipe a shitstain off your floor when the actual fucking sewer pipe is pushing the shit inside your house

>>59640266
>the left is doing it! look at this!
>stallman the lone nut case foot skin eater
lol

>>59640220
4Chan is the only place I connect to Google domains.

I don't have a Google account and don't use their search service, nor a Facebook account, and I block their addresses everywhere else with uMatrix.

The best I can do to keep posting in 4Chan is to use the javascript-free captcha. Either way,

>people take Facebook and Google fucking them in the ass like it's no fucking biggie but then when ISP can sell your SEO-data you go fucking nuts.

is a false equivalence.

>>59640187
No, you just equated it (here >>59639986) to something we have real tangible evidence of (namely this >>59637099).

Excuse me if I prefer to pursue a problem that is concrete instead of an unconfirmed one.

>>59640266
>Google isn't literally hijacking your DNS queries.
google owns the biggest and most used DNS servers on the planet. not that it matters because they have their trackers on every site on the planet anyway. sounds like they want a monopoly on selling user data to me.

>>59637593
Underrated post. I live in Europe. Not in a city, in a rural area. I have 100/100 because I don't see a need to pay 2x as much for gigabit, but I do have the option.

The US supposedly has a free market but when viewed objectivity from a historical perspective it's not. Govnernment enforcing monopolies for a few big private corporations is called fascism.

>>59640284

Stallman is just one example.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=google+privacy+site%3Acommondreams.org

>>59640289
Oh wow. So you don't practice what you preach.

OK, lol.

>>59639986
Holy shit, your politics have completely outstripped your sense of self-preservation.

>>59640319
>ignoring the rest of the post to make a false point
ok buddy

>>59640331
wheres your sense of self-preservation with the government collecting every piece of data every transmitted and using it against people with one press of a button any time they need it?

>>59640304
>google owns the biggest and most used DNS servers on the planet
And yet, the ones doing this >>59637099 are not them.

Can you see the difference in gravity between what ISPs are doing and what Google and other social media and advertising companies are doing? Both are bad, but one is worse, and if you fail to identify which one, then at least admit both are bad and that therefore the fight outlined in this thread is legitimate and your criticism of it is invalid.

>>59640304
>sounds like they want a monopoly on selling user data to me
And ISPs don't?

>>59640124
Dumb animuposter.

>>59640365
you know whats worse than both? intelligence agencies collecting every piece of data ever transmitted and using it to control both elected and unelected officials to force them into accepting foreign armies invading their countries on behalf of their citizens. where are your washingtonpost-reddit memes for that?

>>59640403
This. Fucking this. And this has been uncovered by WL and Snowden.

but piece of shit retards whining ITT about ISP doing little something are brainwashesd so heavily they think WL and Snowden are literally fucking conspiracy theories see >>59640006


fucking stupid amerikeks getitng baited into such easy smoke and mirror

you deserve all the fascism and tyranny the republican govt. can install upon you

>>59640293
>I don't perceive it as a real problem therefore it's not
Why are brainlets allowed to post?

>>59637769
Wrong. Regulation causes monopolies. Why do you think big corporations Libby for more regulation? It's to ensure no new players can afford to enter the marketplace. Study the areas where monopolies or duopolies are in place, you'll almost always find that these are granted by the government.

>>59638184
Was Obama far-right? Clinton? Could it be that both sided of the ile have been doing the exact same thing? Could it be that it's one party with the heads giving you the illusion of choice?

>>59638341
It really is like the postal service deciding to read all your mail. By US ISP logic, it's alright since it passes through them.

>>59640442
>you deserve all the fascism and tyranny the republican govt. can install upon you

>rolls back government oversight of the private contracts between consumers and ISPs
>fascist

choose one

>>59640306
YEAH MAN, NO TRUMP NO KKK NO FASCIST USA

>>59637003
Have you heard about their Gay rights regulations, their abortion clinic regulations or their entire regulation regarding transgender bathrooms?

Republicans only hate regulations when it doesn't pertain to their agenda.

>>59640403
>>59640442
Okay, so I'm just gonna assume you admitted your previous point (that is, that we are hypocrites because we only criticize AT&T and Verizon but not Google and Facebook) was wrong and moved onto another point - namely, that we're hypocrites because we only criticize corporate espionage but not government espionage.

But wait, that one is wrong too:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q="surveillance+state"+site%3Astallman.org

Not to mention any oldfag /g/entoomen will let you newfags know that we literally have a constant stream of privacy, encryption and anti-NSA threads.

Try again.

>>59640289
>4Chan
>C
Hello new.

>>59640444
>I fail hard at text comprehension and to make it worse decide to embarrass myself publicly by posting about it
Why are brainlets allowed to shitpost?

>>59640504
Likewise democrap

>>59637186
Is this ironic or is this your real beliefs?

>>59640354
Except they don't have that since Facebook is optional and doesn't log personal demographic information outside of what you like.
They don't have to know your address, race, bank account info, history off of their website, etc. Facebook is only a problem if you let it become one by doing weird shit on their website. ISPs tracking info and selling it is a problem which can persist beyond a single website.

Also while this is simply repealing new legislation, this can become a problem because now it is explicitly stated that selling Internet history is legal for all ISPs, whereas it was a legally murky area before, and ISPs typically really only handed over information to help with investigations, and behind the scenes likely kept their actions reasonable due to them not wanting to face class action by a large group of angry customers.

With this new law, anyone with the money can get the info, so this means ad companies, governments, employers, nosy people with money and knowledge of demographic information on who they want to spy on, etc.

Getting out of the legally grey and into the green is bad because now things can hit their logical end without companies making their moves carefully and respectfully of their customers.

>>59640452
>Was Obama far-right? Clinton?
Not far-right, but not left either. Both were rightist neocons.

>>59640507
No. I'm calling you a stupid cuck for not bitching as loudly about Google owning most DNS servers and selling FAR MORE INFORMATION than American ISPs ever could.

And there's no constant 300 reply thread about that. Nor about ICs doing it on a retarded Western world scale too.

>Stallman
wow 1 guy.

I'm not talking about 1 guys blogs. This shit has been blogged about endlessly in /g/, completely disproportional when compared to much more dangerous and critical actions of ICs and companies such as Google, FB, MS, Yahoo, etc.

Is there a way to create a peer to peer network without using an ISP? At this rate, I'm considering cutting service with mine as a form of protest.

>>59640452
>Wrong. Regulation causes monopolies. Why do you think big corporations Libby for more regulation?
Wrong. Lack of regulation causes monopolies. Big corporations are constantly lobbying for fewer regulations.

Are we even in the same Earth? How can one be this deluded?

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>>59640548
>Facebook doesn't log personal demographic information outside of what you like.

Sorry, I couldn't read the rest of your post

>>59636724
Maybe you should address what is driving you to extreme and unnecessary definitions of privacy in the first place, you degenerate

>>59637495
It all began with the Powell Memo, the Occupy Wall Street of the New Deal era.

>>59640562
you just need to obfuscate it

https://gnunet.org/

>>59640507
>stallman again
lol. bro, you gotta stop pretending that this debate is about a few lone neckbeards /g/. its about the big reddit internet push by faggots who come here to spread their washington post memes and who do so all over the net in coordinated fashion.

where was the washingtonpost-reddit meme push when wikileaks released info last week that the CIA collects every piece of data ever transmitted and uses it against us citizens? there was none.

this washingtonpost-reddit meme push is entirely because jeff bezos owns amazon and owns washingtonpost, and google and them want a monopoly on selling user data

>>59640556
>wow 1 guy

https://ralphnaderradiohour.com/category/digital-surveillance/

https://duckduckgo.com/?q="surveillance+state"+site%3Acommondreams.org

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-privacy-and-digital-rights/

Hmmm. It's almost as if you were deliberately trying to misinform the readers of this imageboard.

>>59640556
Google fights for liberal values and social justice so it's ok

>>59636681
> "I have a simple question: what the heck are you thinking?" Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) said in debate on the House floor. "What is in your mind? Why would you want to give up any of your personal information to a faceless corporation for the sole purpose of them selling it? Give me one good reason why Comcast should know my mother’s medical problems."
> Capuano challenged Republicans to "leave Capitol Hill for five minutes" and "find three people on the street" who want ISPs collecting and selling their browsing histories.

Really makes your neurons fire...

>>59640575
They dont. They can only work with what you give them directly on their site when you set up a profile, what you like, and who you're connected to.

Facebook isnt selling logs of your Internet traffic at large, something arguably way more valuable than the things a person chooses to let people know they like or who they choose to let people know they connect to.

Internet history can show you the things people don't want you to see.

>>59640594
interesting, how does this work exactly?

>>59640622
Misinform? I am literally nearly caps locking that you dumb fucks wont even bother blogging about Vault findings or whatever other leakers have published as much as about this shitty ISP thing (which is minor in comparison)

This is like a speck of shit. A fucking annoying thing on itself.
but there's a fucking shitstorm, around the speck of shit.
that in comparison to discussion generrated
looks like it doesn't even exist.

I'm talking about amount of discussion in /g/ and news papers.
Hell I think your stupid fucking press censors talk about WIkileaks since King Nigger era because thats so easy to do in USA
not meme sanders or stallman.

>>59640604
Oh, so your issue is with Washington Post? You should've told me sooner, I would've posted a difference source then, like maybe this one:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/03/28/house-vote-gop-puts-your-personal-online-data-sale

>instead of discussing the subject at hand, let's discuss genetics
Nice way to derail discussion, ISP shill.

>>59640641
>Facebook isnt selling logs of your Internet traffic at large

You are an absolute fucking sheep. Every site that has a facebook badge reports your browsing to facebook, every site that has a Facebook-sponsored ad reports to facebook, every link you click on facebook reports to facebook, every link you click to go to facebook reports to facebook

>>59640650
https://gnunet.org/concepts

>>59640667
genetics? wtf lol

you wapo reddit activists are getting more schizophrenic by the minute.

no one is falling for your coordinated internet push just so you, facebook, and google can retain your monopoly on selling user data.

>>59640665
>you dumb fucks wont even bother blogging about
http://www.commondreams.org/tag/wikileaks

>>59640637
that's just it, though.. GOP knows they wouldnt find 3 people on the street like that... but politicians on both sides of the aisle stopped serving "people on the street" a long time ago... all that matters to them is what makes their corporate benefactors happy. and ISP data mining makes them happy

>>59640671
Yes because those buttons are like and share buttons which interact with your profiles history of likes and shares.

Facebook does not have information about me browsing 4chan. Hell, they don't have information about me browsing sites with a facebook button when I am logged out of facebook.

With your ISP on the other hand, they have 24/7 logs of everything, and there is no logging out or not making an account.

>>59640693
>what is genetics?
The sources of the news, you dumbfuck.

>no one is falling for your coordinated internet push just so you, facebook, and google can retain your monopoly on selling user data
You were proven wrong and you basically double down on your wrong point.

Nice job.

>>59640703
>>59640697

YOU LITERAL FUCKING MORONS THIS BILL WAS ABOUT ROLLING BACK FCC OVERSIGHT AND GIVING THAT POWER EXCLUSIVELY TO THE FTC


REEEEEEE.................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>59640693
>you, facebook, and google can retain your monopoly on selling user data
You ISP shills can't spend 5 minutes without falling in blatant contradiction.

You shills spent basically this entire thread arguing that this isn't a big deal because ISPs have basically been selling user data forever, but somehow, at the same time, it appears that Facebook and Google have a monopoly on selling user data.

Well, which is it? Do you even know what a monopoly means?

>>59640703
>Hell, they don't have information about me browsing sites with a facebook button when I am logged out of facebook.
actually they do. even if you are logged out, its still collecting info on you as your facebook profile. they have lots of shit going on behind the scenes to tie everything to your actual identity. this has all been admitted.

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>>59640641
>company that has stated publicly that it crafts complex, many-factored profiles based on everything from the preferred pages you browse in/out of your account and, since 2014, has also kept track of your browsing data to inform the ads that would appear in one's feed

>not logging personal information

Your lies are cheap and fickle.

>>59640306
Yeah, shits pretty fucked in the US as far as ISPs work. I live in a city near the border of two states, and my friend who lives less than 4 miles away from me, just over the border in the other state, can't get the same ISP as me and vice versa.

>>59640776
>>59640757
They have no way of accessing your Internet traffic history off of Facebook unless you are still logged in and/or clicking like and share from integrated websites.

By all means, tell me how Facebook logs my 4chan browsing while not logged in, and where they stated that they can do it.

Your ISP on the other hand, has the means to do this.

>>59636681
>The Senate and The House
You mean Republicans. All of them.

Democrats opposed it. All of them.

>>59640818
facebook isn't tracking 4chan because this is google's turf you fucking dolt

if they want the data that bad they'll just buy it from google

>>59640859
But isn't Facebook supposed to have a log of all of my Internet history even when I'm logged out off everywhere I've ever been?

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>>59640818
>They have no way of accessing your Internet traffic history off of Facebook unless you are still logged in and/or clicking like and share from integrated websites.
lol. even the most basic understanding of the internet would have you know this is false. why are you commenting on something without even basic knowledge of it? even if youre not clicking anything on websites with their trackers, its still gathering massive amounts of data and adding it to your profile. they also use predictive algorithms to estimate what you did and who of the people they have profiles on did it. you are so naive it hurts. its no wonder you join reddit washingtonpost astroturf campains while ignoring actual bombshells like wikileaks and snowden.

>>59640896
Facebook knows literally everything about you. By tapping into street surveillance cameras and crossing that with their face recognition database, they know exactly where you are and where you've been.

Facebook is Emmanuel Goldstein.

>>59640896
on the sites they have their tendrils in, yes

the web is owned by facebook, google, and aws

between those three companies basically 95% of your shit is tracked

if facebook wants your 4chan data they call google

>>59640818
>They have no way of accessing your Internet traffic history off of Facebook
In order to just create an account, you have to sign up with an email which could be used on multiple sites. Unless you set an e-mail host just for Facebook, they can follow your browsing patterns easily. You're either really ignorant or a liar, but either way even a 12-year-old can see past the crap you're spewing.

>>59640896
>what is browser fingerprinting
>what are cookies
>what are analytics

You, sir, are a grade A moron

>>59640917
So explicitly state how they are tracking me off site, while logged out, on websites without Facebook integration.
Facebook is a data hoarding boogeyman, sure, but they aren't accessing anything you haven't given them access to.

>>59640729

Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the new FCC chairman has ties to Verizon.

>>59640948
>Facebook
>browser fingerprinting
I'll give you cookies, but every website gets access to cookies and they only get access to the cookies you let them have access to. If you don't keep cookies, place constraints on what cookies you keep, etc., they are again in the dark on what you do offsite unless you are logged in and using Facebook integrated functions on sites.

>>59640980
please return to your admin/corporation curated content on reddit. the shit youre posting is so false that not even your average normie who knows zero about computers would say such a thing.

your thinking is purely a result of social engineering by websites like reddit that coordinate misinformation aimed at arrogant kids while inflating their egos by telling them theyre so smart for not believing in old fashioned things like borders or gods.

>>59641000
THIS WAS A MOVE TO BLOCK THE FCC YOU FUCKING LITERAL 100% RETARD

>>59641049
So tell me how Facebook is tracking me off site, while logged out, and on websites without Facebook integration.

I've admitted cookies are a given, but that's something all sites can access since you hand them out from your own machine, beyond this, they aren't anywherr near the level of information an ISP has on an individual.

>>59641062
Consider reading.
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/26/521567085/if-congress-kills-fcc-privacy-rules-little-would-protect-consumers-from-provider

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>>59640896
>>59640818
Facebook themselves said they use cookies, their own site's utilities, and other plug-ins embedded on third-party sites to track members and non-members alike. Their claim was that it would help be able to better target non-Facebook users and serve relevant ads to them, and through these practices they've come under major scrutiny from federal regulators in North America, Europe, and Asia.

Ignoring this is the equivalent of denying unmarked traffic patrol.

>>59641111
>npr
>literally receives direct funding from democrats
very trustworthy source. youre better off reading a neutral thread on a forum with people who are for and against it