YEAH DON'T FUCKING MIND ME JUST STE--I MEAN pirating this

ummmmmm...
no?

I hope you're at least getting paid.

>>59567760
Ok. I don't care. I will continue to get free shit.

You literally have no position besides beratement. Saged.

>>59567760
sorry bitch, if you put your shit up on the internet it's free to be ripped.

>>59567760

>trying to pull off this same weak bait shit in a board beside /v/

Not, even /mu/ care about it.

>>59567760
Yeah but piracy doesn't actually "steal", its just copying. If I steal shit from a store it is a loss for them because I just took something from them that cost money to manufacture and now they cannot sell it to someone. Piracy is as if you went in to the store then magically duplicated a product and left. You didn't steal any actual profit, you stole potential profit, which may have not existed if you weren't going to buy in the first place. So blow me. Even if it was stealing it wouldn't deter me from doing it.

Please tell me you're getting paid by some big company to try and post this stupid shit OP

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We have this thread every day.

No, it's not stealing. Those who exclusively pirate will never buy it on the first place. I wouldn't have bought practically any of my media if I didn't pirate it on the first place. Be grateful that there are some like me.
Just call it file sharing. I wonder what happens when 3D printers aren't complete shit on the consumer side.

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>>59567867
>I wonder what happens when 3D printers aren't complete shit on the consumer side.

When someone attempts to sell you software, they are not in fact selling you a product - that is, their ware - but a service. The service they are providing is a license. The software, assuming it is released to the public, can most likely be readily available online. So why pay this man? Because the license is a license that gives you the right to not be sued for using the software. If you don't pay him, he threatens to bring the full force of the state to force all your money out of you, or worse. The only thing this man is selling you is freedom from his own threats. This is extortion. Will you stand down or fight back? Piracy is the only moral answer.

>>59567760

It's not stealing when nothing is taken away, fa.m

>>59567760
Go away corporate shill, theft involves actually taking something away from someone so they can't have it anymore. piracy is more like cloning someons product and then them getting asshurt solely because they didn't get your shekels.

It doesn't effect the economy because piratefags are poor NEETs who cant afford to buy anything anyway.

ITT: retards reply to stale /v/ copypasta. Some are legit newfags, others are hoping that if they reply "seriously" to it and pretend they've never seen it they won't out themselves as /v/ermin.

>>59567760
Software is closer to an idea than a physical object. There's no manufacturing or supply chain investment after you've made the original, and you lose nothing by it being taken without payment. Lack of a sale is not a loss. Your potential sales are not a loss via an inability to recoup investment per unit. It's simply, and literally the same as absolutely nothing happening to your anything.

Piracy is free advertising for your product. It's zero effort bait that's almost automatically taken. That's a lot easier than convincing people to pay money with flashy advertising or other bullshit.

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>>59567883

So what's the easiest way to get pirated content onto my TV nowadays?

cp ≠ mv

>>59567934
Man I know you're playing me. But you're right.

Software sellers refuse to choose a side on the new media argument, conveniently shifting on a dime to fit their agenda and take power away from consumers. Claims of planned obsolescence were an early form of this, but now we have a clear and undeniable practice that shows software developers inventing harmful rules as they go.
I don't mean to get too /v/ here, but I'm talking about the gaming industry, and anyone following in their evil practices. Game developers, often the large scale ones that like to feel they have a sense of "control" over the market and exercise their power, have been using DRM-dependent and always-online models to create a new media style contract wherein buys purchase a supposed ware (presuming we come out on the consumer unfriendly side of the overall argument that software is to be treated as traditional product), the buyer assumes that because he paid for it in a traditional transaction he has ownership of this property in that traditional fashion (everything you take for granted about personal property), and three years after the software (game, usually) was released, verification servers shut down with no end of life plan for the product in question. In the worst cases, this means that there is no way* to put the files and assets purchased by the customer and sitting on his hard drive back into a usable and playable form, or "game", as it was originally sold to him. In other words, the game industry is abusing the digital nature of their product to enforce a new and frankly harmful approach to the exchange of digital media, while simultaneously demanding that a strict interpretation of old media practices applies to how their games can be distributed and treated.
I feel an addendum and elaboration is needed here, but I'm short on characters.

>>59568178
Kodi with Exodus addon

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You are a foreigner.
It is more immoral to me to give money to a foreigner than it is to divert that money towards my local people.

Stealing can only be achieved within the premises of one's own nation.
When done to foreigners, it's called "conquest".

So your position of argument is all wrong, because this is a political matter, not an economic one.
And in political matters, ethics is on the side of interest and not on the side of arbitrary philosophizing.

>>59568178
Make it a display for a computer.

>>59568189
The funny thing is that you don't have this problem when you pirate it. The real product (actually it's a service not a product) is even more difficult to use than the pirated one lmao.

But I think people who buy games also really just buy everything they are force fed

>>59568178
Rpi

>>59567760
Oh hey, no problem. I hope you enjoy drinking it as much as I enjoyed making it. It sure is fantastic that that we have this amazing technology that allows us to share things almost infinitely at virtually no cost! What a wonderful time to be alive, isn't it?

>>59568189
Before I drop this I think it's important to address whether new practices are a matter of practicality/reality in digitally distributed wares that can be upheld and coexist with traditional or reasonable notions of property exchange.
First I refute the claims that these practices are a matter of practicality or necessity. End of life plans should be inherent to any long term development cycles, as many options are available which are consumer friendly and do not harm the producer's development strategy.
The game or other ware can be planned from the beginning without offline functionality. This is a no-brainer good design practice for any program that isn't inherently reliant on an online connection in some form, but it runs contrary to popular and harmful DRM practices.
The game or ware could offer a final end of life patch. This option may recategorize the item as freeware, but as it can no longer be supported or sold, the producer loses nothing by making this move. Alternatively, it could empower customers with user-hosted server abilities, or the ability to connect and use the product without server dependency. In this model, the producer may even continue to sell copies of this now slightly modified game after its development cycle.
The developers could go open source with the game or ware. This is a truly minimum effort solution which puts a welcomed empowering burden on users to get the product working after its development cycle. The only real argument against this in cases of ware-killing is that middleware licences may provide difficulties. At the very least, a partial release solution would give users the opportunity to acquire or work around such licences and work as a "better" practice than ware-killing, though obviously a sign of poor development practices.
I'm sure there are other solutions, but the point is that ware-killing is both a harmful practice incompatible with any reasonable ideologies, and far from a necessity.

>>59567760
Why doesn't he copy the bottle of wine if he wants to irate it?
OP is a moron though.

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>>59567777
Shadilay fair brother

>>59567846
I think OP knows this, but was pulling our chain!

>>59568384
OP is a yanker.

>>59567760

but pirating the bottle of wine would mean there is 1 bottle of wine in the story and everyone makes a perfect copy of it thus having an unlimited supply of wine

whats bad about that concept?

The Internet is not a large truck. It's actually a series of buses.

>>59568266
>But I think people who buy games also really just buy everything they are force fed
Abso-fucking-lutely. As long as consumers fail to look out for their self-interests and are unaided, they will be taken advantage of.

You also bring up a strong argument for ethical piracy that I think has an understated significance. I've heard of plenty of cases in which old old software is no longer supported by current systems or hardware and/or no longer sold by its and/or no longer sold by any party whatsoever. It's a compelling reason to "steal" a copy of that software then, since its "loss" isn't accounted for by any proposed economic model.
I don't want to rehash that argument though, instead I want to mention the significance it has on our evolving concepts on another level. This usually applies to software, but when analyzed, it matches up well with an argument for "stealing" hardware (download a car argument). Say a consumer wishes to run a bit of old unsupported software from the 16-bit era. The hardware he needs to run this software, even if he has a "legitimate" copy, may be impossible to buy through official or even unofficial means. Is it then not ethical for him to build a copy of the hardware to run his software? Surely if the original software argument holds up, then "stealing" the ideas that make up the patented hardware components should as well, even though they apply to a physical and seemingly traditional medium. He still deprives no one of a copy. He still deprives no one of a sale. Is it then also not reasonable for him to produce for personal use any other unavailable product? What about if he wants to build the same old system, but with a few major improvements and sell them? Extrapolating, any time an idea "owner" does not use his property to its fullest potential, he is harming the market and it should be "ethical", if not legal, to steal his ideas. So information ownership has always been flawed, digital just makes it obvious to us.

Piracy would be more like looking at the ingredients and putting it back on the shelf and making it at home

>Create non-viable market.
>Whine of piracy.

Perhaps if industries made buying software something convenient (e. g. steam, minimizing risk of viruses and finding a working copy), people would buy more.

But hey, let's instead put cryptoDRM in the game so that it can't run on some computers and in fear of buying something that doesn't work, people pirate instead.

It's like new-wave feminists telling rapists not to rape because they should be free to dress up like a harlot.

>>59567760
>Piracy is theft

No. Property is theft, you idiot.

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You want to argue ethics against piracy,
yet nothing is done to give the same protections and rights guaranteed in the material economy such as the store your just posted in the picture.

There is no quality guarantee as with that wine,
there is no health (security) guarantee as the FDA provides for that wine and multiple other organizations,
there is no refund guarantee as that store and wine have under circumstances understood by the customer and dictated by the law where such a refund is made legal,
there is no accountability on the seller for any damage done to a customer like there is with markets and brands as dictated by law.

You don't have any rights as a software developer who doesn't provide the same accountability that everyone in the traditional economy does.
Even fucking car manufacturers pull whole lines when failure or low quality thresholds are met,
but you don't have that accountability or responsibility.
Yet you want to argue rights and ethics.

I'm sorry to say, but piracy is an answer to your own lack of accountability as developers.
And it will continue being as such.

>>59567760
Poor bait. Not even a single real argument.

>>59569045
He's replying to himself.

>>59567760
No matter how many times you post this, your logic is still a failure because real physical items are not the same as infinitely copyable information.

>>59567760
i donate to cracking groups and trackers, make money with the cracked software, buy seedboxes and continue to donate with money i made with cracked software with skill i learned with books/videos i downloaded for zero cost. this is how its gonna be

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>>59567760
>>59567846
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>>59568618

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as piracy, is in fact, unauthorized copying, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized sharing. Piracy is not the act of obtaining an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, but rather robbery or criminal violence at sea.

Many computer users make unauthorized copies every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the act which is widely performed today is often called piracy, and many of the people who do it are not aware that it is basically copying, and not stealing.

There really is a piracy, and some people are doing it, but it is just robbery at sea. Piracy is an act of theft: an action at sea in which goods are forcefully transferred from one ship to another. Piracy is important to be aware of, but unrelated to unauthorized copying; it can only function at sea. Piracy is normally not used in combination with unauthorized copying: the two acts are basically seperate. All the so-called piracy is really unauthorized copying.

>>59567760
Literally every day shilling with an incorrect text.

THIS IS NOT WINE FAGGOT

>>59569520
/thread

>>59567867
can confirm that I explore my options through """""pirating""""" and then when I find something worth paying for (which is dreadfully little because it seems most people and companies have 0 desire to implement some decent quality standards and just sell whatever shit that merely works) AND not a fucking hassle to use legitly, I buy it.

Note that legit use not being a hassle is a key factor. Fuck for example latex lucy whose videos can only be played in some dreadfully shitty adobe air online session drm client bullshit and whose website only takes credit card. As much as im into her, I would continue to only pirate her (if I still bothered collecting porn, which I do no longer) solely because when you do pay you just get the worst possible product experience.

cd projekt red on the other hand can have my and my gf's ass, they do god's work and do it well

If I could shoplift without getting caught I would shoplift everything I need to live plus a new car.

>>59569520
You had me until seperate.

>>59567760
another weak bait, are you getting paid?

Or are you retarded?

>>59567760
I pirate everything and don't ever pay, even if i like it.

WATCHUGON DO BOI

Yeah it's stealing, I do it because I can get away with it.

Piracy is a phase. As soon as you can afford not to, its less hassle and your time has a value.

Fuck the music industry though, I remember illegal price fixing of £15.99 CDs in the late 80s.

That is £40.00 for a CD in 2017 money.

Data is a worthless commodity because there's so much of it. I can listen to years worth of free ambient music if I really want.

>>59567760
It's actually alot more like this:
I have the resources required to copy the recipe. So I'll copy the recipe and use those resources to male the wine.
If I like it, I won't buy it, I'll continue using the recipe.

where do people get this kind of copypasta?

is there a database somewhere?

>>59572147
>tfw you created that copypasta and didn't release it under a copyleft license.

OP is infringing on my copy rights.
Where's the DMCA button?

>>59567777
This, there is literally nothing wrong with digital piracy especially if you don't like the developers but like the games.

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Why do retards on /g/ get upset over someone stealing some shitty iPhone from some faggot nu-male? Then they try to justify stealing thousands in intellectual property.

This place is retarded.

>>59567838
It's been working on /g/ for days. Makes sense, since this is just /v/'s tech support and purchase advice board.

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>>59573428

Another thing.

These same retards claim it's all a bunch of 0's and 1's, yet they have no problem putting restrictions on said 0's and 1's with garbage like the GPL.

Why should it matter if someone uses GPL code without the authors consent? According to /g/'s logic, the GPL shouldn't even exist.

>>59570237
>type in "piratebay.org"
>takes about 1 second
>type in the movie/tv show/song/album/game title you want
>takes maybe 2 or 3 seconds if you know what you want before you get there
>click the magnet link option
>1 second
>opens up qbitorrent or whatever torrent program you use
>1 second
>select the folder you want it to be saved to
>5 seconds, maybe 0 if you have it set to automatically use the same folder every time
>wait maybe 10-20 minutes for the file to download at 2mb/s (speeds will obviously vary)
>if streaming sports/live shows is your thing there's illegal streams of everything out there, usually at like 5000+kb/s
>hurr durr my time is valuable

I make pretty good money, but the reason I pirate is because its often way faster, more streamlined and better quality than the legitimate, legal way.

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>>59567760
Piracy isn't legally labeled as theft. That's why it's a civil matter and not a criminal one.

This is the only response that needs to be made to these bait threads.

>>59567760
>Pirating Wine

Why would you pirate FOSS?

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>>59573428
One steals from purchased possessions from innocent people while threatening their life while potentially causing physical/psychological harm. The other steals immaterial content from corporations while causing a minor reduction in profits. They are not the same.

>>59573492
You left out the part where malware seeps into your computer.

If a game doesn't offer a demo or uses heavy DRM I'll be glad to pirate it.
I never pirated from GOG besides first two TES games as they're free already and you don't have to set up DOSBOX yourself.
As for anime, I would love to watch legally on Daisuki but they have Flash player.
I'll pirate every single movie I don't watch in cinema and I will pirate every single song I listen (although it's hard to find FLACs on the internet).
What are you gonna do, moralfags?

>>59573492
I'll do you one better.

>have qbittorrent always open because seeding anyway
>use the RSS feature to follow the uploader groups you like
>use RSS Downloader to get new episodes for your shows automatically
>have your shows be waiting for you when you want to watch them, in the quality you prefer, with no ads and no nonsese. All for free as in beer.
>????
>profit

>>59573537
>causing a minor reduction in profits.
I fucking hate this meme.
No, I cause zero reduction in profits.
Even if somehow it was impossible to pirate and I really wanted to sell my soul to get some shit while supporting those evil corporations, I wouldn't be able to because I don't have any money.

>>59573561
only if you're an idiot. In which case most computing tasks that involve the internet have a chance of giving you malware. Although really there's no such thing, with operating systems now you have to give the malware permission to fuck with your computer. You didnt "get a virus", it didn't "seep into your computer", you gave that virus permission to fuck up your computer

>>59573584
that's smart. Although usually I just dont watch a show until the season's over and then download all the episodes at once. I hate watching 1 episode, waiting a week, watching another, etc, I like to watch them all back to back.

stealing is awesome

>>59573635
If anything I'd argue the opposite, without piracy a lot of shit, especially older media, would just go vastly unwatched and garner little to no attention. Like, there's no way I would have bought back to the future, but then I downloaded it, fucking loved it, and then bought the box set

>>59567760
I don't care it's it's immoral, I do it because it's free and I can get away with it.

>>59573453
Dosen't even work on /v/ and obviously looking at this thread it's not working here too.

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Copyright gives the author of code the ability to distribute it as he or she wishes with the full force of the law behind them. The same copyright system that allows people to sell their software for profit, is the same copyright system that allows people to give away their software with a specific license like the GPL or BSD.

Being okay with one without being okay with the other is called cognitive dissonance. You are either okay with the authors of software dictating the terms of its distribution or you're not.

>>59573453
He does it because he knows he'll get replies and a bunch of butthurt faggots will take him seriously. Basically don't feed the troll.

>>59573813
I haven't seen a single post taking him seriously

Even in /v/ it's just a bunch of non-pirate fags replying to each other acting butthurt

>>59573830
With some people the fact he gets replies at all is more than enough to satisfy him. This is why public sage must return.

>>59567760
Difference between stealing a bottle of wine and making a copy of the bottle of wine

>>59567760
If you could replicate bottles, the only money comes in creating different tasting wine.

>>59568446
All "piracy" is ethical. Extortion is not ethical. Selling licenses to not be sued is extortion. Building your entire industry on manipulating the government to be your strongarm in your extortion schemes is not ethical.

>replying to bad copypasta
Why is /g/ so dumb

>>59567772
Could be a paid troll, could be an autist.

>>59568160
Kek

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>Cannot Copyright Math Formulas
>Can copyright algorithms
???

>>59567760

If you don't like what's happening to your product, stop making it. If you can't stop making it, lower the price. If you can't lower the price, sell the rights to someone else.

im not atealing
im making a perfect clone

>copying something is the same as stealing
No it isn't.

>>59577146
Imperfect clone, over time copies of copies suffer data corruption

>>59569520
My sides anon.
XDDDD

>>59567760

>If you are not going to spend money on an item because it not "appealing" enough, then that makes stealing OK?

And all penis in vagina sex is rape, OK?

>>59568178
HTPC

>>59579356
>And all penis in vagina sex is rape, OK?

true

>>59567760
Make your own wine.

>>59567760
I steal shit all the time. I don't deny that piracy is stealing. I don't feel bad about stealing. Please stop posting pointless threads. A potentially useful thread died for this.

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>>59567760

Nice bait. You already know you're wrong, so no need to explain it.

>>59567760
>Every game that comes out is $60
Big companies just milk the industry and make more than enough money, so I don't see how piracy would hurt them.
We should support indies instead.

>>59567760
>go on youtube and listen to music on certified channel
>video gets cached
>arrr im a pirate xd

Digital commercialism is just hard because you can make a million copies of the same thing at no expense. Companies should just change the way they do things, like making stuff less expensive or creating/improving services like steam, netflix, crunchyroll, spotify, etc.

>>59567777
QUADS HAVE SPOKEN
/thread

>>59567760
>its another MPAA shill that doesn't understand the difference between stealing and copying episode

>>59567777
quads did nothing wrong

>>59567760
>Deprive owner of item

>>59567760
Stealing and copying are different things, and the law recognizes it. That is why one is called theft, and one is called infringement. Making a copy of something doesn't mean that nobody else can have it. Stealing something does.

>>59567760
>Don't mind me, just taking a photo of this bottle of wine. No, it's not stealing, I'm just making a digital copy for myself.

>>59567760
Dumbass is stealing shitty middle-shelf supermarket wine instead of the nicer top-shelf liquor literally three feet away.

Who the FUCK s pirating movies and actually excusing themselves like this? Literally no one.

I and everyone else who pirates shit only does so because there is next to no chance I will ever get caught. And there's a detatchment from the victim.

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>>59568160
>this guy

>>59567760
>guys steals bottle of wine
>he how has one bottle of wine
>store has one less bottle of wine
>store loses

>guy pirates software
>he now has one copy
>other person also has one copy
>both people have a copy
>only the creator of said software loses

It's definitely not the same. If a piece of software isn't garbage, then the author should open source it and ask for donations. I'll always make generous donations but I'll never purchase the software itself, as this gives the creator control over my machine. I'm not a cuck.

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>>59567760
I wouldn't care if I stole a bottle of booze from the liquor store, and I don't give a fuck if I steal a movie.

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pirated 1 game and 10 movies this week.
feels good nigga

>>59581958
Give back the booze, Jamaal, but enjoy the movie!

>>59581938
>guy sneaks into a movie theater

this kills the piratefag

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>>59581970
nah

>>59567760
I pirate video games. I also spent ~$2000 USD last year on games I probably wouldn't have otherwise bought.

Also, fuck you. Piracy is piracy. It's a digital product, it can be copied a million times without causing any extra manufacturing costs to the manufacturer. If someone makes 100 wine bottles for sale, which of 100 are stolen, then there is nothing left for sale. If 100 copies of a movie are put on sale, and it's pirated 100 times, you still have 100 movies you can sell. Great bait etc. or just stupid, either way you suck.

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>>59567760
really - what the fuck is the pay for shills? I'd love to do it

>>59567760
>Piracy is theft
idgaf
> Piracy hurts the economy and loses jobs
change job, easy
>So stop it.
nope
We don't live long enough to care about other people, you should have realize that if you weren't underage b& and have actual real life experience.

>>59567760
Yes.
Getting paid for each redistribution is absolutely justified.
Stephanie Meyer sure deserves all her money.

Do you know that you're stupid?

>>59567760
Wine is physical though. Intellectual property is a spook.

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>>59567760
So are the media conglomerates now paying people to shill this shit?

>>59579432
>A potentially useful thread died for this.
>potentially useful
>on /g/

No it didn't, come on.

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>>59582223
Some guy went to the trouble of counting keys on his keyboard to make that pic.

I pirate all of my games.
Deal with it.

if wine makers kept shitting in the bottle, you're damn right I'd want to try the wine before buying it.

>>59567760
>using improper terminology
Arrgh matey, what ye have against pirates?
We just want ta travel the seven seas! Arrgh.

>>59567760
OK.


>Sent from pirated Fortune on my stolen iPhone.

>>59583611
it probably took less time to do it than for you to make that post, cuck boy.

>>59583566
Why won't you just let me live in my happy lies?

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>>59567760
picrelated is piracy, your post is stealing. any questions

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>>59567760
T. Butthurt pajeet

>>59584154
>T. Butthurt pajeet
Newfag here. What does t. [insert word] mean?

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>>59567760
Alright OP is b8ing but whatever

There are two realities, one where I pirate every product I can't justify buying and one where I don't buy or pirate any product I can't justify spending money on

In the first I'd be where I am right now

The second is me living a very boring life. Just because I can't pirate it doesn't mean I'm going to buy it, don't think I'd ever buy anything I've pirated, otherwise I'd just buy it in the first place.

To the manufacturer of the product, the numbers stay the same, so I don't understand how they're affected. Please explain, if I'm not ever going to buy the thing I've pirated, how this makes the world better, in one reality I have a bit of fun, in the other it's the exact same except I'd be a little bored.

>>59567760
>put in DVD
>ad for some random bullshit comes on

They did it to themselves

As soon as I noticed pirated movies play from the beginning with one click I refuse to buy shilled animated menu filled junk until they do what pirated movies do; Give me the movie from start to finish with one click.

>>59583953
>muffled autistic screeching

>>59567760
Why are you posting this shit every single day? Go kys

>>59585017
go fuck yourself, OP

>>59567777
this tbqh my fámicoms

Only so much I can afford on my neetbux

how do i pirate more ghz?

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It's the truth whether you like it or not. You can't deny it.

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>>59585121
At least post full comic

>>59585505
Well, since your illegal data will inevitably travel through some submarine optical fiber cable, then technically you are commiting piracy.

>guy with perfect photographic memory goes to book shop
>reads a book on sale in the store
>leaves (w/o book)
>guy reads it to you from his head
>FBI arrests you

>>59585545
Stop grasping at straws and just learn to embrace piracy.

>popular music acts are selling more tickets than ever to their live shows
>This is in spite of the fact that everyone now films the concerts and uploads them
Explain this

>>59585595
What do you mean? I love piracy.
I was just pointing a fun fact.