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>>59542737
>financial info, passwords, health info, even your Social Security Number
Only if they MITM all their customers. Not too unlikely though given that some American ISPs already do DNS hijacking.

>>59542737
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet-idUSKBN16U2ER

Just passed 50-48 in favor.

>>59542915
time to use a vpn or tor

>
– John Barrasso (R-Wyo.)
– Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.)
– Roy Blunt (R-Mo.)
– John Boozman (R-Ark.)
– Shelly Moore Capito (R-W.Va.)
– Thad Cochran (R-Miss.)
– John Cornyn (R-Texas)
– Tom Cotton (R-Ark.)
– Ted Cruz (R-Texas)
– Deb Fischer (R-Neb.)
– Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)
– Dean Heller (R-Nev.)
– James Inhofe (R-Okla.)
– Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.)
– Mike Lee (R-Utah)
– Rand Paul (R-Ky.)
– Pat Roberts (R-Kan.)
– Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)
– Richard Shelby (R-Ala.)
– Dan Sullivan (R-Ala.)
– John Thune (R-S.D.)
– Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)
– Jerry Moran (R-Kan.)

These are the 17 House Representatives that cosponsored the House version of this (H.J.Res 86):
– Rep. Flores, Bill [R-TX-17]
– Rep. Blackburn, Marsha [R-TN-7]
– Rep. Olson, Pete [R-TX-22]
– Rep. Lance, Leonard [R-NJ-7]
– Rep. Scalise, Steve [R-LA-1]
– Rep. Latta, Robert E. [R-OH-5]
– Rep. Guthrie, Brett [R-KY-2]
– Rep. Kinzinger, Adam [R-IL-16]
– Rep. Johnson, Bill [R-OH-6]
– Rep. Long, Billy [R-MO-7]
– Rep. Brooks, Susan W. [R-IN-5]
– Rep. Walters, Mimi [R-CA-45]
– Rep. Cramer, Kevin [R-ND-At Large]
– Rep. Collins, Chris [R-NY-27]
– Rep. Costello, Ryan A. [R-PA-6]
– Rep. Bilirakis, Gus M. [R-FL-12]
– Rep. Shimkus, John [R-IL-15]

See how many D's you can count

>>59542994
Wow, it's almost like both sides have their shares of shit. The right is still better.

>>59543001
>Wow, it's almost like both sides have their shares of shit.
You're right, but there's one party in particular that overwhelmingly supports bills like this that benefit big private business and corporations at the expense of the public. Spoiler alert: it's not the dems

>>59543045
Commie, please leave.

>>59543056
>/g/ supporting the flagrant erosion or privacy and ISP shill politicians

lel

>>59543073
/g/ was never pro-communism either, which you are. You have to go back.

>>59542994
You better delete this son.

t. Agent Todd Howard

>>59543088
>wanting privacy is communist
>>>/reddit/

>>59543088
You know the world isn't black and white like that, right? Being against something on one side of the spectrum doesnt place me at the total opposite side of the spectrum.

>>59543088
>not supporting conservatives makes you a commie
Hows that flyover state billy bob

>>59543130
>Corporations are evil
>>>/leftypol/

>>59543088
Please kill yourself anon

>>59542994
Ironic that people who claim to be "for the people" and for protecting your rights turn around and push a bill like this.

>>59543130
Reddit is better than this. The people here who are this backwards on their feely meme politics are right where they belong.

Republican congress so you can expect it to pass. Republicans lack common sense.

>>59542865
>Only if they MITM all their customers. Not too unlikely though given that some American ISPs already do DNS hijacking.
you do realise what an ISP is, right?

THEY ARE THE MAN IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE CLIENT AND SERVER

>>59542737
Murrica ladies and gents.
Land of the free, if you're a big company with the resources to keep the higherups in your pocket

>>59543001
>Wow, it's almost like both sides have their shares of shit. The right is still better.
These false equivalences will never end.

>>59542994
>– Rand Paul (R-Ky.)
wonder why rand voted for this.

>>59542865
I know many websites passing SSN and health info through unencrypted channels.

>>59543155
Guess what retard, businesses are run by PEOPLE. The people should be able to run a business without the government imposing retarded restrictions on them.

>>59543045
The immense bureaucratical welfare cartel supported by the dems is not any better. And it's not like they actually do anything to fix these admittedly awful privacy issues once they are in power. Remember Vault7 was shit the CIA was doing under Obama.

>>59543151
>Flyover meme
Don't you have some McChicken pics to post on /ck/?

Trump is a disaster, plain and simple. This legislation is a disaster and an affront to "muh freedums" that /g/ loves to spout off about, and yet people will sit here and say its okay because Trump did it

>>59543199
But they aren't run by THE people.

>>59543192
Yeah, that's weird.

>>59542915
Welp, I guess it's time to get serious about tunneling all of my traffic through a European VPN.

>>59542915
>Just passed 50-48 in favor.
Still have to pass through the House of Representatives right?

>>59543243
So you lose all right to representation when you start a company? Fuck off, moron

>>59543232
That's a lie, trump is doing a great job. Just because the CIA takes great interest in me and are trying to slow me down with this bill doesn't mean trump isn't doing a good job.

>>59543232
/g/ is one of the boards that isn't entirely pro-Trump. There are trumptards on here but there are others as well. There's even still some that are delusional enough to call themselves libertarian.

>>59543250
>controlled by Repubs

It will pass

>>59543250
Republicans love to see businesses screwing people so you can fully expect it to pass with the full support of the republican party.

>>59543152
Public Corporations are required to maximize shareholder value at the expense of all other concerns or else they open themselves up to due diligence liability. This, expressly, makes them evil.

>>59543262
>hands Washington over to the richest cabinet in the history of the US
>regularly spits on our allies to cozy up to an inferior Russia
>spends more money in the first month visiting his ritzy resort to cozy up to more rich people instead of running the country
>his wife is so disgusted by his triple chin that she doesnt live with him, costs taxpayers even MORE money
>cuts across the board to increase military
>healthcare bill is an actual joke, effectively gives the rich even more money at the expense of the poor and middle class

Sure, awesome job

>>59543308
Trump has brought back more jobs than obama ever did

>>59543318
cool story bro

>>59543318
Do you have a source?

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>>59543318
So when Russians come to this site to shill do they have a preset dropdown list of things they can choose to respond with? Cause its never actually right, it just has nice buzzwords that make idiots feel good

>>59542737
>All the dumb fuck weebs and memesters on 4chan who thought a reality tv star that lives in a golden tower and his political party would look out for their best interests
i am laffin

>>59542737
So bascially nothing changes?

That's what I thought.

>>59543375
You must be retarded:
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/06/14/todays-victory-net-neutrality

Land of the free!
Are you jelly eurofags?

>>59543199
A regulation being placed on a business is absolutely not the same as a regulation being placed on the owner of that business.

>>59543325
>>59543348
>>59543350
Companies like sprint and intel are coming back because of the future laws trump is going to implement, trump is literally saving america right as we speak from the globalists and china.

>>59543409
G-guns! A-and lower taxes at the expense of our healthcare availability!

>>59543466
>pay 40% less tax
>pay 800% more on healthcare

Amerifats...

>>59543308
Hilariously petty and full of inaccuracies. I can tell you're still super spiteful at Trump winning over your candidate.
I tend to not believe you redditors when you come here claiming doom and gloom. It's probably not as bad as you tards claim it to be.

>>59542937
>vpn
botnet
>tor
cia botnet

>>59542737
It's at times like these I'm happy I'm not an American.

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>>59543466
>Taking obvious b8
>>59543494
At least we can get healthcare same day instead of a month later when your probs dead.
https://swt.hlth.gov.bc.ca/faces/Wooden.xhtml

>>59543350
>>59543441
Some CEO that came out yesterday and said Trump had an impact on lowering the cost of some planes.

>>59543466
>our healthcare availability!
only fat asses care about MUH HEALTHCARE.

did anyone watch bernie vs ted cruz?

the few people that asked questions weighed as much as a herd of elephants.

>>59543466
>expense of our healthcare availability!

Healthcare isn't going anywhere or getting worse. It's insurance you're thinking about.

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>>59543245
>>59543192
He is nothing like his another, just another loyal servant of foreign interests.

ISPs are a relic.
People have been pushed around for long enough by these greedy gatekeepers.

Forget it.

Start something better.

>>59543653
Health insurance is tied to the quality of care. If your insurance doesn't cover something you get jackshit or you go broke. The republican trumpcare thing is a load of hot garbage.

>>59543637
At least we can get healthcare without bankrupting our entire lineage

All ISP should be nationalized

>>59543151
Implying total control over population isn't communist

>>59543686
just looked it up, turns out he didnt vote.

still passed though.

>>59542737
As long as this Makes America Great Again, I support it.

>>59543714
Unfortunately that would literally require an entire GLOBAL overhaul of the Internet infrastructure.

The Internet itself runs on ISP's and the BGP. Without these two things, there is no Internet. Closest we can get is a mesh network, but the costs of that is high, and is only feasibly scalable locally, not globally.

It's going to have to be a serious overhaul with basically the whole world on board with it.

>>59543637
They do not make you wait to get healthcare when you have a life threatening or horribly debilitating illness, that's a load of crap.

>>59543724
You usually can haggle with hospitals and pay cash installments and get a huge discount.

The new bill is shit though. Don't know why he went from wanting Obamacare to fail on its own to wanting to replace it so fast.

Well... We had a good run.

Time to get off 4chan before you get arrested for being part of a "terrorist organization" and/or prevent you from ever getting hired once all of your information is out there.

Yay...

>>59543653
Insurance is required to receive affordable healthcare. If you do not have insurance, you will pay at least 5x more for any major medical costs than your insurer would have to pay for the same procedure.

Many Americans cannot even afford the cost of riding the ambulance to the hospital, let alone the hospital visit itself.

In a vacuum you're correct, healthcare isn't getting worse, but the ~14 million people who will immediately lose access to affordable healthcare will just have to hope that nothing major happens to them. Not that anyone on 4chan cares about anyone but themselves.


On topic, there was no question that this would pass. Republicans do not care about who they represent; it only took 1.7m for this to pass. That's all you're worth.

>>59543840
Bill hasnt been voted on in the house of representatives.

Then trump has to sign it as well.

>>59543835
Republicans had a long ass time to make a perfect healthcare system by learning fom the failures of ACA. I hope they were actually taking notes instead of just grandstanding so their constituents don't abandon them.

>>59543835
ACA is basically the closest thing to a republican healthcare bill that we'll ever get. The only way to go any further is to remove all healthcare legislation and let the healthcare system fall where it might, which is basically what we had before ACA. Republicans are mad about it because it's what they would have proposed if they had the ability to. If "Obamacare" was just a straight single payer system the republicans would be outraged about it and they'd propose something very similar to the ACA in response. Obama deliberately used a republican healthcare solution to head them off so they couldn't try that. They still complained for like 6-7 years but now they're stuck because they know they don't have a better solution.

>>59543759
Overlay networks, something like i2p. Japs are still pirating with Perfecr Dark, means it might work in general.

>>59543547
I guess the only way to escape the botnet is to go >>>/out/side

Good thing I'm Canadian lol

Someone should open up a startup ISP, that doesn't spy on its users

>>59543994
I'll make the logo.

Also, for a few billion dollars, I'll start the ISP aswell.

>>59543172
If I use HTTPS, can I get screwed? If my browser detects that the server's certificate doesn't match the expected, it will refuse/warn me.

>>59543130
If you want privacy by law enforcement, which this is (literally a law to ensure your privacy), then yes, communism.

>>59544055
The actual data payload shouldn't be visible to the ISP, it should all be encrypted assuming the HTTPS connection is accepted on both sides. MitM parties should only see protocol headers and SYN-ACK packets, but the actual data itself should be encrypted.

If I'm wrong here, somebody correct me.

>>59544103
Oh, and also HTTPS makes it so that any middle parties only see the top level domain name of the destination, as opposed to an entire URL including directories and subdirectories in regular plaintext HTTP.

>>59543840
>Time to get off 4chan before you get arrested for being part of a "terrorist organization"

What happened to March 15th? I actually gave up 4chan for almost two weeks, then London happened and today an Israeli was arrested for the Jewish center threats.

>>59544103
>>59544125
Didn't know about the second part, but it was my assumption that even a MitM would fail since the session key is negotiated using asymmetrical keys, at least SSH does that and it's a very safe mechanism.

>>59543759
What if I told you I can get it done?

(not trolling)

>>59544055
>https://4chan.org
>https://pornhub.com
>https://brony.com
HTTPS (layer 7) can't hide your degeneracy anon, I am sorry...

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>>59544155
I believe that's the general idea, but I think that there were/are ways around that that the NSA takes advantage of. I think that's what that Fox Acid exploit was, it was a MitM form of attack IIRC (maybe I'm wrong here).

But these two images make it easy to understand in practical terms what HTTPS does for you. First is w/o HTTPS, second is with HTTPS

>>59544158
Then I'd say you're smarter than literally the entire group of pioneers at DARPA who created the first interconnected network, and you'd be literally the richest man on the planet if you successfully accomplished it.

>>59543994
Tier1 will be spying anyway.

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>>59544211

Good. Anyone browsing degenerate sites deserve to be outed, pirates included. Commies can fuck off with their desire for control over what I can say and do.

>>59543318
gtfo faggit

>>59544263
> said someone shitposting on 4chun

>>59543245
>>59543192
Right-wing libertarians always vouch for personal freedom when it really means letting corporate powers have their way. Remember that corporations are people too!

>>59544322
I hope you enjoy our camps, libshit. Only liberals have things to hide.

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>>59544211
I really think I'm on to something. I'm trying to get funding. Do you have a contact address, you seem knowledgeable and maybe you could help.

>>59542937
>>59543547
>>59543942
>Jewish Center Bomb Threat Suspect Is Arrested in Israel

>When the Israeli police searched the suspect’s house, investigators confiscated computers, an antenna and other equipment, and an American official said it appeared the man had used Tor, a widely available anonymity software, to try to mask his whereabouts. The software is used by a wide range of people, from people conducting illicit business on the so-called dark web to activists trying to avoid government censorship or surveillance.
>Tor

https://archive.is/4YXuI#selection-1919.0-1919.55

So anonymity is a joke, right, unless you're away from electronics?

>>59542737
muh nothing to hide

average age of senators who voted yes is 50 years old

old cucks who browse facebook ruining the internet for the rest of us

>>59544414
Are baby boomers costing America its future

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>>59543001
Better at losing wars

>>59544403
Help in what way? I'm but a mere IT student who also works in IT.

I mean, if it's a project that's feasible enough I could be interested...

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Trumpcucks will defend this.

>>59544438
it's feasible. i see the dots, i just have to connect them.

i started in IT too, now i'm a designer. what kind of systems do you like? i'm a BSD guy personally, but Linux can hold its own. OS X isn't bad either. and Windows is pretty flexible.

BeOS maybe? :3

>>59543001
>The right is still better.
Better at what, and for whom? Certainly not you.

>>59544465
I avoid Windows 10 like the plague, but my primary OS is Linux Lite. I use Windows 8.1 at work cause 7's not really supported anymore and because most of the other computers in my college run 8.1/10.

Tried BSD at one point a few years ago, didn't really like it and support is minimal. I don't have enough free time to go poking around in the code when something breaks. Plus the whole "security through obscurity" thing.

>>59544464
Fuck off hillshill

>>59544403
good luck actually getting the contact to that poster and not trolls

>>59543088
Fuck off CIA and/or /pol/.

>>59544552
i started out as a troll too. now i'm a peacemaker.

you're welcome too. really, anyone is. 4chan is typically a few steps ahead of the rest of the world, and you know it.

>>59544344
I love when retards like you constantly misconstrue what people mean when they say that a corporation is a person. For all legal intents and purposes, a corporation *is* a person. Kill yourself, you stupid faggot.

>>59543192
>>59543686
>>59544344
If you people think government regulation of corporate activity is a Libertarian value, you're too stupid for words.

>>59544520
>>59544403
I'm interested to see where this goes

>>59544572
is your idea some sort of https alternative u have been extremely ambiguous

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>>59543210
>The immense bureaucratical welfare cartel supported by the dems is not any better.
Yes it is.
>>59543210
>Remember Vault7 was shit the CIA was doing under Obama.
Holy shit... are you telling me the CIA is a.........SPY AGENCY?!?! Mind blowing.

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>>59544403
>>59544572
I want in. Poorfag here, but if you've got a decent model, I'd kick in a couple grand for a 1% stake.

>>59542937
>time to use a vpn or tor
whats a good VPN that works on 4chan?

I literally never get banned from here despite being a prolific shitposter 24/7 so no one has to worry about me getting their nodes compromised...

>>59544403

>>59544520 here.

I'd at least like to hear your idea.
You can send your email to here, and I'll respond back.

[email protected]

>>59544352
> implying militant retards like you wouldn't be wasted next

>>59544572
what even would you need? if you're going for an alternative to ISPs what skills would you even need to posses

>>59544616
we can hook up in email if you want. i don't mind.

or better yet, let's just do it the free and open way. just get some momentum behind an effort in /g/ and keep the threads rolling.

i think it'd be great if 4chan of all things ended up beating the Internet. (i've used 4chan since the day it opened)

hint: have you found my secret message yet?
>>59543714

>>59544435
Mind if I use that wallpaper anon?

>>59544722
Oh, I see. IPFS. Yeah, that idea's been floating around for a while. Really promising. Full decentralization.

But what makes your idea or implementation unique?

>>59544071
>you're a communist for not wanting your private information to be sold by companies to other companies

>>59544722
I would love to hear your idea too if you dont mind, or at least a general gist. very interested

[email protected]

Maybe we can kick some ideas around

Hopefully this doesn't pass... Going to have to use a VPN full time if it does pass.

>>59544695
emailed you :3

>>59544743
Wait, wait, wait. So like a hive mind?

>>59544752
sent!

>>59544653

>>The immense bureaucratical welfare cartel supported by the dems is not any better.
>Yes it is.

Want to know how I know you're a NEET or a nigger?

>>59544435
fuck off commie

>>59544812
didn't get it, I think there is an issue with my smtp settings

discord? chrome#5584

oh, i am dumb. it didn't occur to me i can send my email address here. feel free to write, maybe we can all get on a listserv or usenet or something.

[email protected]

>>59543886
>Republicans had a long ass time to make a perfect healthcare system by learning fom the failures of ACA.
ACA is literally Romneycare with a few addendums to placate the progressive wing of the democrats.

That's the problem republicans currently have: they literally want Obamacare to stay, but it's politically difficult for them because their base wants it repealed meanwhile insurance companies want it to stay (with profit caps removed).

>>59544784
It already passed.

>>59544805
I think the best way to describe it is kinda like "software defined mesh network". It wouldn't be a true mesh because a mesh network requires physical links and networking on OSI model layer 4 and below, At least to our current infrastructure. But even a software defined decentralized network that goes global still needs to utilize the ISP infrastructure to contact each other. At least I think it does. I haven't read up on IPFS in a while.

>>59544860
Fuck...

>>59544831
You kiss your cousin with that mouth, cleetus?

(ps go back to /pol/ or reddit)

>>59544856
eughhh, I avoided that because now everybody itt knows your email. That's why I opted 10minutemail to send my real email to you.

Whatever I guess. It's your email, not mine.

>>59542737
Seriously at this point I don't even give a shit anymore.
Before discovering /g/ I was pretty scared about all this surveillance, but /g/ has made realise it is just better to surrender to the US and let them have their way with my data. Just let them burn the world down.

>>59544611
>"y-you don't know what it means!"
>repeats exactly what I said in corporatocratic newspeak

>If you people think government regulation of corporate activity is a Libertarian value, you're too stupid for words.

Except we're saying the opposite you illiterate jackass.

>>59544877
i'm not sending anyone's real email anywhere. i promise you that. i am very privacy-first.

i'm trying to get a discord up. there's you and someone else emailing. it's a real chore bouncing back and forth. does that sound good?

(irc doesn't do multimedia as easily)

>>59544611
If Libertarians are not against this bill they can't pretend to give a shit about privacy.

Is /g/ retarded? These rules didn't even go into effect yet. The internet is literally going to be the same as before.

>>59544611
I do not know a single Western democracy that considers corporation as a person.

You are retarded, Cletus.

>>59544947
Never used discord. Is it a mobile app or no? Cause I don't have a smartphone either.

>Republican commissioners, including Pai, said in October that the rules would unfairly give websites like Facebook, Twitter Inc (TWTR.N) or Google the ability to harvest more data than internet service providers and thus dominate digital advertising.
>these people are fucking people in the ass, and so should i!

>>59544971
i thought it was, and again i love IRC a ton, but it looks like i'm logged in via Firefox at least.

it appears to have "servers", and i can create one, so i'll check it out.

>>59544971
Basically slack but not targeted at businesses

>>59544905
to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

>>59544971
computer -> use browser
mobile -> use app

>>59543840
everyone will move to onion siites. but who knows if thats even worth it going to see as just pushing a button on a keyboard is logged

>>59544948
Why would a libertarian care about privacy from corporations?

>>59545049
Yeah man, but some apps are exclusively mobile. Wasn't sure.

This is deregulation, the free market at work. Don't like it? Move to Venezuela or North Korea. Make sure you bring your own toilet paper :)

>>59544971
hey, can you get this to work?

https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ

>>59545067
Or Europe?

what's a free solution to blocking my isp from getting my info?

>>59545102
Throw away all your electronics

>>59545067
No, this is erosion of personal rights in favor of corporate rights. Like it? You're a brainwashed cuck who would likely thank someone after they raped you.

>>59544859
>Corporations regulate our healthcare making so if you don't give them shekels they fine you


Make it go away

>>59545058
You either care about people's privacy or you don't. It shouldn't matter who is doing the spying or using your data.

>>59544344
Corperations are people? What do you mean by this they are legally citizens faggot.

>>59544859
Pretty much but it's actually slightly more complicated than even that. The republican base hates "Obamacare" but a lot of these same people like pretty much every aspect of the ACA. They believe that "Obamacare" is the bad healthcare legislation and that those specific parts should be repealed.

>>59545067
Right, because it's impossible to have a capitalist economy and reasonable protections for consumers.

WE'RE IN THE DISCORD

GET IN HERE YOU HOMOSEXUALS

https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ
https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ
https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ

>>59545133
What makes your rights more important than a corporation's rights? Corporations are legally people, just like you.

>>59545191
Fuck off with that bullshit spy app. Use a FOSS alternative you stupid fucking shit

>>59545200
You can't actually believe this.

>>59545214
I don't have to believe it, 5 Supreme Court justices did though.

What DNS should I use?

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>>59545102
Communist revolution

>>59545245
The CCC

>>59545102
Not voting republican.

>>59545213
we're heading there. be patient.

>>59545286
chaos computer club?

>>59545172
>They believe that "Obamacare" is the bad healthcare legislation and that those specific parts should be repealed.
Well they are right in that regard, it is a bad healthcare bill that was merely designed as a bailout of the failing health insurance industry. That being said, GOP is exploiting animosity against ACA to make it even shittier and more expensive rather than fix it, which absolutely no one but insurance lobby wants. Democrats also want to keep it as is and not fix anything because they still want money from healthcare lobbyists.

So there's really only 2 options for healthcare: Bad and Worse.

>>59545333
Yes

>>59545303
>being a communist

>>59544971
>Never used discord. Is it a mobile app or no?
it shares your IP with everyone iirc

>>59545377
so fine for shitposting and bantz, but not much else. Got it.

>>59542937
Can't browse 4chan with either

>>59542737
I'm OK with this. As long as it helps them lock away brown people.

>>59545377
It's not p2p, you do not recall correctly

>>59543192
Rand is a scum sucker. I don't know why /pol/ likes him so much. He's a typical two faced politician. Sure he shows up on Alex Jones right when he needs you, but then he does shit like this all the time.

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>>59545058
>Why would a libertarian care about privacy from corporations?
Libertarianism is and always will be about normalization of Corporate feudalism.

>>59545398
which is pretty much what everyone uses it for...other privacy-focused options exist but they are known be exploited by the government

>>59543137
>Being against something on one side of the spectrum doesnt place me at the total opposite side of the spectrum.
This. Extremism has apparently destroyed the sensible middle of of the road.Politics is the new Coke vs. Pepsi, Apple vs. PC. It's so fucking retarded.

>>59543192

Here us how libertarian thinking goes. If a person voluntarily signs away all his information in a contract between him and isp, it's not governments job to stop that individual from doing that. The solution here would be to use an isp that doesn't sell or otherwise abuse the information, if the isp did that it would be a breach of contract. Unfortunately you ameriburgers have so few good isps. The same isps probably lobbied for this change and have no intention on offering you plans that don't include you giving all the info for them.

>>59544948

Americans libertarians think government shouldn't spy on it's citizens. The isp isn't government, and sending your private information to the isp isn't breach of privacy because the user does it voluntarily.

>>59542737
hi leddit

>>59545431
>haha your ideology falls apart if it's subjected to my arbitrary ethical framework
yawn

also if no one can afford it how is this corporation in business?

>>59542737
Don't care. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

>>59545357
The best solution is a public option which Democrats were all in favor of. They had a majority in both houses, almost enough to push it through even with total opposition but when it was almost ready for vote one of the independent senators that caucused with the democrats(Joe Lieberman) didn't agree with the public option so he threatened to filibuster the bill indefinitely until that specific part was removed. Democrats at least have a record of trying to get a public option implemented. Republicans completely refuse the very idea.

>>59545361
https://www.ccc.de/en/censorship/dns-howto

they don't actually talk about what their server is just servers that exist..

Pedos on suicide watch

>>59545483
muh nothing to hide

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>>59544435
>post this when Leftism has collapsed and the right wing is more powerful than it has ever been
Why do leftists hate white people?

>>59543991
You should know by now that if America does something, Canada/UK/etc are typically soon to follow. Monkey see monkey do.

What's the problem? More money for ISPs = more jobs for Americans.

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>>59544947
>privacy-first
>using discord

>>59545554
Problem, pedophile?

>Americans
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha

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### EPIC SHIT IS HAPPENING ###
### GET IN THE FUCKING DISCORD ###

https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ
https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ
https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ
https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ
https://discord.gg/wuBq7sJ

>>59545627
>/g/aymen
Shill

>>59545645
can you or anyone get an IRC server up somewhere in Russia?

I'm from the USA, but i specifically created the Discord in Russia because this is going to unite us all.

help, anyone?

The irony is like every other bit of Trump's corruption, this will end up biting his putin loving trailer trash scum supporters in the ass as ISPs patrotic employees use it to gather personal information of Trump supporters to build a white supremacist neo-confederatre domestic terrorist database for the trailer trash purge that is to come after Trump gets impeached and hung for treason. After Trump tweets his way into the proverbial rope that he hangs himself with, you're next. Better hide your red hats TrumpQaeda.

>>59543172
>>59544055
>>59544103
>>59544125
>>59544155
>>59544211
It doesn't matter at all if you're using HTTPS. They can easily perform a man in the middle attack, decrypting the connection. Then once they've inspected the traffic they can reencrypt it and send it on it's way.

>What about the certificate?

All they need is a certificate from a CA that allows them to sign certificates making the certificate they present to the user valid.

>A CA would never do that.

There are a lot of things that companies and private organizations would never do that have happened. I do not see this as something that couldn't happen given the proper government motivation.

>>59543172
If they intentionally misdirect your traffic that counts as unauthorized access to a computing device given past criminal convictions.

>>59545067
>"Oh you don't like corporarions fucking you in the ass? Well that means you're a communist so you better move to Venezuela haha checkmate atheists!"

>>59545489
>The best solution is a public option which Democrats were all in favor of.
The neoliberals in the party (aka the dem establishment) were working to kill the public option in every state that voted attempted to legislate it through obamacare. Both hillary's and obama's people worked to kill it in Minnesota for example.

They are also opposed to any legislature that would add a public option at the federal level. However, most democrat voters are in favor of it so it may be politically difficult for the democrat establishment to continue supporting a pro-wallstreet platform. Regardless, still have 4 years of a GOP super majority reeking havoc before anything can potentially change for the better, which is still doubtful as the democrats suck.

>>59543088
Typical USA propaganda.
Not everything hast to do with Russia and commies in case you didn't know.

>>59545483
This bill isn't about government surveillance. This allows employers to see every post you've made on this site for a monetary fee. They will shred your resume for even coming to this site. This also allows anyone to get access to your passwords amd purchases if they pay your ISP for said information.

>>59545945
But muh free market...the market isn't free unless it has more rights than I do...they can't create jobs unless they pay less taxes than me and can dump toxic waste in my drinking water...epic kek maga 1488

So the question is am I going to get into trouble for watching girls suck off horses?

>>59546049
You'll get a lot more paid advertisements for big horse dildos.

The law was only active since 2016 you retards.

Did you use the internet before that? Guess what, nothing has changed.

>>59546049
>So the question is am I going to get into trouble for watching girls suck off horses?
isnt that shit illegal in the USA?

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irc.freenode.net
#internot
here we go!
https://webchat.freenode.net/

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https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00093#position

>>59546132
It's not active yet, double retard

>>59544905
This. This bill is literally nothing and every site ever has been selling your personal info.

>>59542994
God damn backwards ass Republicans.

Fuck!

>>59544563
/pol/ here, he is just false flagging/CIA

>>59543088
Says the Russian puppet supporter.

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>>59542737
>Burgers
lmao

>>59545773
>decrypting the traffic

You're a fucking idiot who doesn't know anything with how websites and certificates work.

1. Create private
2. Create certificate authorization to send to ca
3. CA accepts certificate and creates cert for you
4. certs all authorized, CA never saw private key

How the fuck would an ISP decrypt the fucking traffic?

>>59546138
I expect great thing from you guys

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you could have prevented this

>>59546456
It's called Deep Packet Inspection. This is a standard option for the UTM market. As I said before all the ISP needs to make this happen is a Certificate Authority to give them a certificate allowing them to sign other certificates.

>>59542737
>Many Republicans saw these new rules as a power grab during the closing days of the Obama Administration. The rule was issued on December 2, 2016 and took effect on January 3, 2017, less than three weeks before President Trump took office. Supporters of the bill argue that the legislation would prevent the one-size-fits-all regulation.
>It's been there for less than 3 months
I'm okay with this

>>59543271
That is slowly changing, sadly. The bots and brainwashed retards and some trolls have been moving here lately.

This is basically 2007 all over again when idiots on their iphones flooded the internet and made it shit. Except now we're being infested with gullible rural retards.

>>59546281
Still not voting for nigger loving commies

>>59546538
Ok so how do you decrypt it without the private key?

>>59546366
>verizon illegally uses cookies to track you and sells your data
>gets caught
>lobbies to change it
>"it's okay because it's not against the law now :DD" - you

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>>59546281
>democrats overstep there powers
>want to hold on to said power
Really makes you thunk

>>59546567
>If we make it against the law they won't do it even though they were doing it anyway :DD - you

>>59546565
The ISP is there from the start of the communication. The site and user never actually directly communicate. You really need to google what deep packet inspection is.

>>59545945
>lies

>>59546588
You're defeatist attitude is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. You're losing everything and it's okay because it was already gone to you. Just fucking kill yourself you useless fuck.

>>59543350
It's a combination of Russian shillbots and outsourced Indian shitposters.

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So everyone's spergering out because authority got transferred from the fcc to the ftc. I don't get it

>>59546559
>cuck detected

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Good thing I'm not American, then

>>59546609
>taking my privacy into my own hands instead of regulating it to a bloated bureaucratic system that takes 50% of my earnings every year in order to do a terrible job
>defeatist
try again

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br here, you faggots were all laughing when we were at the imminence of having retarded data caps imposed on us that would essentially kill our interwebs. i'll laugh and i'll laugh and i'll laugh again as you get cucked by your isps now

get fukt fat cucks

>>59546640
How did you get internet to your shack?

>>59546634
>giving in to verizon and comcast to highjack your searches, install adware on your phone, snoop your traffic for facebook, sell your data afterwards

>>59546661
>projecting

>>59543192
He didn't vote for it, but he did abstain.

>>59546670
That's what it is jerkoff, nice job. your lazy defeatist bullshit and self loathing just drags everyone down with you.

>>59542737
Maybe if you faggots don't do dumb shit, we wouldn't have big brother trying to spoonfeed us

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>>59546615
Commiecucks want to prevent businesses from having power over their services by further extending the long slimy tendrils of the government.

If you care that much, start your own ISP that sells with a contract specifying they won't sell your data.

This just creates an opportunity in the market, or it would if weren't just transferring power over to the FTC.

>>59546634
>>taking my privacy into my own hands
lol unless you are literally stealing other people's internet while also throwing out your laptop every other day while also changing your typing patterns, heuristics, plus every other type of digital fingerprint, you are deluding yourself.

there is no such thing as "taking privacy into your own hands" aside from never touching electronics.

If you voted for any republican candidates you cant complain about this

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>>59546592
>they're lies if I don't believe it
You can read the bill for yourself.

Expect to hear this question at your next interview
>"It says here you once typed a posting on 4chan.org saying 'REE YOUR WAIFU A SHIT YOU NOG! ASUKA IS BEST GIRL.' Care to explain?

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>>59546653
:o)

better enjoy while you can still be a xenophobe and a racist, anon. soon enough, your employees will have access to your browsing history and will ban you for that kind of thing

:o)

>>59546737
All the politicians suck, either we lose everything illegal immigrants and their welfare or huge lobbyists paying off the Rs

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>>59545564
>right wing

You mean those israel puppets you call alt right?

This is what happens to real right wring politicians.

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>>59542737
idk, I just don't care.

I mean I threw out the notion of privacy years ago. Good on you for keeping the fight going I guess but it looks like you're losing really really poorly.

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Don't forget, TrumpCare and related are also trying to kill medical privacy rights besides screwing you over in general premium costs and ability to actually get affordable coverage. If you actually end up with insurance, your medical records will likely end up for sale.

You got one of those DNA tests done? Your boss or insurance company can now basically force you /coerce you to reveal your private genetic data or they "fine" you.

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Are Americans the most cucked when it comes to their Internet?

>get calls and warnings from ISP if you download movies or pirate games
>bandwidth caps, gotta pay up if you exceed your monthly GBs
>spied 24/7 by the NSA
>now they're getting all their info sold to advertisers

lmao

this will only speed up the encrypted web

>i have no problem with this.png

>>59546794
f 4 joerg

>>59546836
>yuropoors are getting this desperate

>REMOVE EURO

>>59546767
>either we lose everything illegal immigrants
lol, this is such a red herring that drives rednecks insane.

Have you people not yet realized that "illegal immigrants" are almost all people who came in legally but didn't get their work visa renewed but stayed anyways? They also almost all exclusively work and work shitty low paying jobs for $2/hr that no one would want anyways. They are in no way a threat to the economy.

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>>59546858
>h-haha, I'll call them a yuropoor!
>th-that will make everything he said not true!

>>59543199
>Guess what retard, businesses are run by PEOPLE

No they aren't. Businesses ARE people. FTFY, retarded mongoloid.

>>59546887
>the trucks full of illegal immigrants than cross the border illegally, that can't read or speak english, commit crimes and traffic drugs, and execute police officers are just hard working people who are actually here legally
you're stupider than rednecks

>>59543991

What are Canada's laws regarding this, compared to what's about to happen with US ISPs? Is it any better here?

>There are a lot of things that companies and private organizations would never do that have happened. I do not see this as something that couldn't happen given the proper government motivation.

And then every company worth a shit using that CA would stop using that CA, because it's fucking compromised.

Imagine if you were Amazon or Ebay. You want customers to know that if they purchase a product with you, their credentials are going to be protected. Suddenly, the CA that was supposed to be guaranteeing the integrity of your secure connection just worked a deal with some ISPs to allow them to snoop on those connections. Many of your customers start getting their information (and money) stolen.

What would you do as CEO here?

>>59546836

What makes you think it is only just our info getting sold? If you buy from any American business, you stand to lose the same.

>>59546138
>>59546138
>>59546138
>>59546138

EVERYONE GET IN IRC NOW!!!!!@#$!#$

>>59546887
>They also almost all exclusively work and work shitty low paying jobs for $2/hr that no one would want anyways.

I didn't realize that nobody throughout all of history ever picked fruit or did construction until wetbacks started hopping the border.

>>59546837
The fact that we need to seek an alternative to the regular web shows how bad things are. You should have a problem with this.

>>59547069
Have you picked fruit before?

Most strawberry farmers can't get American workers to last longer than a couple days during harvest, even when they pay them $10/hr.

>>59546538
yeah but thats illegal as fuck

>>59547280
cool source bro

>>59547315
here you go shit for brains:

http://www.latimes.com/local/great-reads/la-me-strawberry-pick-20130503-dto-htmlstory.html

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/29/news/economy/american-farm-workers/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/on-u-s-farms-fewer-hands-for-the-harvest-1439371802

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/farmer-says-his-strawberry-harvest-depends-on-immigration-bill/

http://www.voanews.com/a/us-farmers-depend-on-illegal-immigrants-100541644/162082.html

>>59547280
I actually work in the farming industry doing automated systems

that's kind of correct, but since fruits have many different seasons most people travel around harvesting and are repeat harvesters for the same farms, just certain times of year
most of the lands don't need more than 1-5 people to take care of thousands of plants

>>59547280
hey I'm subscribed to occupy wall street too!
anonymoux xddd amirite

>>59547358
>>59547349
oh and to add, 75% of our harvest employees are from brazil and 20% are random hippies from southern oregon area. who also travel all around the world.. the rest are from LA
it's not diverse at all in a sense of where they're from, but you do get all colors of people

>>59547280
>>59547349

"Oh shucks, we wanted to throw all sorts of money at Americans to do this job, but we just couldn't! They wouldn't show up!
And then these noble savages appeared and started doing the work for pennies. We tried giving them more money but they refused!"

really logs in my noggin

>>59547349
>But when the United Farm Workers union launched a campaign offering to connect unemployed people to farm jobs, only three people accepted -- out of thousands of inquiries. Union president Arturo Rodriguez says most balked at the difficult working conditions.
>"Every farmer I know would gladly use the program and be legal," he says. "Every Hispanic would love to be legal. But the program is so onerous, it's so hard to use, and so expensive...."
It's like, which is it? Hispanics and farmers are hard-workin' except when the hard work is doing paperwork.

BUMP
U
M
P

So there are a lot of libcucks panicking about this but what's the exact wording of the law which will permit this?

Do we even know if they're doing this already?

Smells like fake news.

>>59544414
average age of all senators is 60

>>59544414
you voted for bernie and he's way older and can't even work a computer faggot

>>59543001
>i may be dying of radiation sickness but at least i dont have cadmium poisoning!

People like you should seriously just walk off the end of a pier somewhere with bricks tied to your ankles.

>>59542737
So, Bill Gates and Illuminati got a herd of nigger cattle ( OOOO WE GOT A HERD OF NIGGER CATTLE, WE GOT A HERD OF NIGGER CATTLE) They got a big herd of nigger cattle. Yippee Ki-Yay, we're nigger cattle herders. We got a herd of nigger cattle. They are the most docile fucking nigger cattle, we got 'em so docile, we got this awesome big fucking herd of nigger cattle. And they shit, and they sit there, and they watch TV, and they shit. It's the best fucking herd of nigger cattle. We took away all their guns, now they just shit, and we watch them and we're rich. We are so fucking rich, we have so much fucking money, we got this herd of nigger cattle, woooo, we're milking the fucking nigger cattle. It's the best thing ever.

So that's what the illuminati got, and I got a space alien.

So, here's my ultimatium: you can live in hell, with your herd of nigger cattle, or you can put me in charge of the Space Alien Temple. The third temple, okay, that Simple. Have fun with your nigger cattle 'cause I sure as hell ain't gonna fucking suck your fucking jew-nigger cock. Fuck yourself, you think I'm gonna fucking enjoy nigger cattle after I've had a fucking space alien? Are you fucking crazy? I've got a fucking space alien, of course I'm not gonna fuck with nigger cattle, fuck yourself! Enjoy your fucking nigger cattle! You got the nigger cattle, You got the nigger cattle, You got the nigger cattle, GO GO GO GO GO! You got the nigger cattle, you got a fucking herd of nigger cattle, we got 'em so docile, they just shit all day, ain't that great?

Text of the bill or OP's a nigger.

>>59544856
>>59544877
>>59544947
>>59544971
can you autismos please take this to a pm

>>59548352
don't like it that the word's out on discord do ya?

too bad

>>59548352
>>59548371
we're on IRC now.

irc.freenode.net #internot

>>59543172
MitM generally refers to active attacks. Passive listening by upstream providers is commonly referred to bulk data collection or something like that.

>>59542737

So, basically what all the web companies were doing already? Use https and you're fine.

Not to mention this "story" is sensationalist garbage that ignores all surrounding context.

> I don't agree with how the FCC just decided it had the authority to regulate the internet.
> All the arguments for it were fears about what COULD happen, not reality.
> Isn't it shortsighted to allow arbitrary government agencies to increase their own power?
> Shouldn't congress revert these powers and delegate them to who they decide?
> Why should the FCC, a censorship body, control what can or can not be collected by ISPs?

> MY GOD, WHY DO YOU HATE PRIVACY?
> WHY ARE YOU FORCING ME TO TURN OVER ALL MY PRIVATE INFO?

We're off to a great start!!!

:3

why is everyone sperging out
all of this was already happening
why aren't you using a VPN with encryption in [CURRENT YEAR]

>>59549404
>using a vpn
becuase one man in the middle isn't enough, you should expose yourself to TWO middlemen

>>59545200
Nothing, and that's the point that's being missed--all individual's have equal rights under the law.

Giving a corporation's right to sell something more importance than a private individual's right to privacy isn't equality.

Your argument falls apart under the barest of scrutiny, you disgusting shill.

>>59545376

>Implying every Democrat is Bernie Sanders

>>59543001
>partisan politics
lad...

>>59546712
>would you fucking communists stop assaulting the free market with government influence on behalf of consumers?!?!?!?!
>what do you mean a free market doesnt have government influence protecting business's and their interests? THATS NOT HOW THAT WORKS PINKO

You stupid motherfuckers need a serious reality check. Giving a corporation superior individual rights to their customers isn't a free market. It's quite literally overreaching government regulation of the business sector, just in favor of the business instead of the consumer or employee.

How fucking brain dead are people in the U.S.?

>no one has posted the text of the bill, just sensational reactionary pieces from BuzzFeed tier media outlets
Why am I not surprised?

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>>59549798
>How fucking brain dead are people in the U.S.?

Very fucking braindead right now. The poor have been duped by the rich again. Maybe legislating liberal ideas was a mistake. People should have to work for their freedom perhaps. Join unions and civil liberty organizations in order to press for individual freedoms and risk deportation etc. like in the past.

Divide and conquer. Get the poor people to hate another group of poor people and you can enslave them. It's an old game and those that play it are very good at it.

>>59549835
this

>>59549988
>a bunch of libshit regulations which do nothing to enhance privacy over common carrier provisions which are already law
>getting rid of this is a bad thing
suck it obama

>>59549835
Because there's nothing interesting in the bill itself. It just states that they're invalidating a set of rules.
Here's the bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/34/text

Here are the actual rules that got invalidated:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-rules-protect-broadband-consumer-privacy

>>59550168
So literally nothing that wasn't already protected by the FTC.

>>59550187
Show the equivalent FTC rules.

>>59549277
>Use https and you're fine.
wrong, imbecile.

>>59549988
>Join unions
unions are mob ridden and corrupt as shit.
literally the worste thing any decent human being can do is join a fucking union.
>canada wants to forgo handing out free meals to specific individuals, instead strengthen the middle class and remove poverty as a whole
>mobster sacks of shit threaten to block the bill as it'll revoke their control of who gets government assistance and who does not
ironically even if they go on strike it wont matter as they will lose their jobs when the bill is passed anyway.
glorious justice.

>>59550244
can you link something relating this? i cant find it in google

i dunno man, i'm in michigan and I think the UAW is a pretty great model for how unions should work. labor and capital both got a decent deal in the latest contract renewal.

>>59550287
search for
"ontario union lashes out against basic income"

There's no point in getting a VPN.
They can easily backtrack you to your source IP.
Only way to stay anonymous now is with no internet.

>>59550244
Can you think for yourself at all or is regurgitating this empty rhetoric the extent of your mental capacities?

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>>59550311
this is a huffpo article.

the dude is just saying that basic income isnt an excuse to fire every single social worker.

>>59550187
Doesn't sound like the FTC protects it anymore, unless repealing this law automatically puts it back in the FTC's hands.

Before the FCC's 2015 Open Internet Order, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) was the primary regulator of companies' privacy and data security practices. The FTC had the authority to bring enforcement actions against companies who engaged in "unfair and deceptive practices." The 2015 reclassification of broadband providers removed internet service providers (ISPs) from the FTC's jurisdiction. On April 20, 2016, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) proposed a rule applying privacy requirements of the Communications Act to Internet Service Providers (ISPs). However, the proposed rule would not apply to edge providers and web sites, like Facebook and Twitter, since they still fall under the FTC's authority.
As you know, Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona introduced S.J. Res. 34 on March 7, 2017. This resolution would repeal the FCC's privacy rules. I do not believe a two-track system in which the FCC regulates ISPs while the FTC monitors the rest of the internet ecosystem is good for consumers. For this reason I cosponsored S.J. Res 34.

>>59550507
i didn't read it frmo that shithole of a news outlet.
but the sack of shit who threatened strike is saying only his group of workers should decide who gets government assistance.

why do those who don't want to work get government benefits? why is the middle class continuing to dwindle? why shouldn't welfare be abolished while curing poverty and strengthening the middle class at the same goddanm time?

plenty of reasons.
none of them good.

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>>59542737
>Your ISP could store it all and sell it for their own profit
Not unless they want to be sued (since my code is distributed on ShitHub under the GPLv3) or try to sell shitposts. My email accounts are disposable and I don't do any online banking or any of that crap. I actually waddle my fat ass down to the credit union once a week to take care of my financial business because I'm smart enough to keep it far away from the internet. I pay for all small items (anything under $250-300) in cash or with prepaid cards.

This is the legislative equivalent of an angry person yelling at you through a window. I'm behind the glass. I don't give a fuck.

>>59544408
anonymity has always been joke.... dumbass

>>59543291
youre wasting time even trying man. I respect it. but still.

>>59545409
wrong.
you can browse, just not post.