>live in USA >have encrypted hard drives >be suspec

Looks like the Yanks have finally caught up with glorious british law which made not giving up encryption keys a crime.
At least it wasn't indefinite detention though.

>>59522498
The system is fucked. In the UK, having sex with someone underage in some cases can get you less time in jail than refusing to give out a password. I know some muslim pedo gangs have since been released after only serving a year or so in prison Bare in mind 2D loli is illegal to possess in the UK so spergy weebs are getting locked up unfairly.

"Thing is now illegal. Do as we say or else we will put you in a box."
Authoritarian government is only a few steps from a tyrannical government.

>>59522478
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption

>>59522545
Hope you have a high pain tolerance.

http://embeddedsw.net/doc/physical_coercion.txt

>>59522598
If you're getting tortured you're dead anyway, hope that disk didn't mean anything to anyone.

>>59522478
>fuck around with encryption
>have old encrypted hard drives laying around with no clue what the passphrase was
>get v&
>be fucked

>>59522478
thats why you have two passwords for a single encrypted volume silly bun hun

>>59522652
>ok now tell us the hidden volume password
>don't have one? any loser could claim that
>jerry get my "dental" kit ready

>>59522478
>no proof
>no criminal charges
>locked away for 18 months and counting
Truly the land of the free

>>59522881
Kek no good to be white anymore in the US

>>59522538
>unfairly

>>59522881
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indefinitely-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives-loses-appeal/
>On Monday, a US federal appeals court sided against a former Philadelphia police officer who has been in jail 17 months because he invoked his Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination. He had refused to comply with a court order commanding him to unlock two hard drives the authorities say contain child porn.

>In deciding against Rawls, the court of appeals found that the constitutional rights against being compelled to testify against oneself were not being breached. That's because the appeals court, like the police, agreed that the presence of child porn on his drives was a "foregone conclusion." The Fifth Amendment, at its most basic level, protects suspects from being forced to disclose incriminating evidence. In this instance, however, the authorities said they already know there's child porn on the drives, so Rawls' constitutional rights aren't compromised.
>The court also noted that the authorities "found [on the Mac Book Pro] one image depicting a pubescent girl in a sexually suggestive position and logs that suggested the user had visited groups with titles common in child exploitation." They also said the man's sister had "reported" that her brother showed her hundreds of pictures and videos of child pornography. All of this, according to the appeals court, meant that the lower court lawfully ordered Rawls to unlock the drives.

>>59523114
But what if you actually forgot the password?

>>59522632
>nuffin to hide

>>59523143
Somebody should link you previous thread, also, read the complaint.
"Based on the evidence presented at the hearing, the Magistrate Judge found that Doe remembered the passwords needed to decrypt the hard drives but chose not to reveal them because of the devices’ contents."

>>59522538

> Removing weebs from society

So what was your problem again?

>>59523114
>the authorities said they already know there's child porn on the drives
Then why unlock it in the first place?

If it isn't a breach of the constitutional rights, he wouldn't have to unlock it.

>>59522478
Or you should stop being a pedo

>>59523154
>the Magistrate Judge found
Well I find a lot of things, too.

>>59523114
>We have a feeling there's child porn on there
>>59523154
>We have a feeling he knows the password
Some tippy-top evidence they have there, completely justifies keeping a man locked up

>>59523186
Lurking Freenet and having encrypted drive makes you a pedo, huh?

>>59522478

We had this thread just yesterday..

It's not only an encrypted harddrive:
-IP logs that show that he downloaded CP
-at least one "sexual" picture of a minor
-the hash keys of the files are identical to certain CP pics
-his own sister accused him of downloading CP


So it's more like somebody was shot and somebody saw the shooter, but the shooter put the gun into a safe and refuses to open it because he knows that it was the weapon in question.

Moreover I see no reason to defend him, he's obviously a pedo and back in the days 4chan was busting pedos IIRC. If he would get away with this "LEL, can't touch me, I encrypted my disc xD" shit, more pedos (and their lawyers) would get encouraged to just keep things locked.

>>59523205
>Moreover I see no reason to defend him
t. somebody talking about you after a con job putting you in jail

>>59523205
>back in the days 4chan was busting pedos IIRC

No, you don't recall correctly. Pedo shaming is a relative new thing on 4chan. I have no idea were you got this from.

>>59523205
>-IP logs that show that he downloaded CP
-at least one "sexual" picture of a minor
>-the hash keys of the files are identical to certain CP pics
-his own sister accused him of downloading CP

If he had Wifi, these could be easily tossed out.

>>59523228
>back in the days
>I have no idea were you got this from.
he's obviously new.

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>>59523205
You're wrong m8 and you're from reddit so stop with the reddit double return key formatting because 4chin handles paragraphs perfectly.
>reddit faggit

4chan history:
>/g/ was guro
>4chan founded the pedobear meme
>cp posting was rampant in /l/oli board including zoophilia
>only zoophilia got attention because animal rightists
>4chin attacks church of scientology which pushes DMCA
>anons lost
>somewhere around 2008 IIRC birth of DMCA and laws banning cp
>cp posting went for so long, true anomalous could use VPN and proxy and never get v&
>botnet captcha introduced, destruction of /l/oli and VPN/proxies IP b&

This wasn't a site meant for normies so goBackto(reditt);

>>59522538
>Bare in mind 2D loli is illegal to possess in the UK
[citation needed]

If so, many UK /a/nons are in deep shit

>>59523347
Wasn't /g/ loli?

>>59523114
>foregone conclusion
>if you refuse to confess, we'll imprison you indefinitely until you do
>THEN you can get sentenced

Can't you like put a second password in it that activates some stupid function that deletes directories?

>>59522538
>people possessing child pornography are being locked up unfairly

>>59523587
>accused equals guilty
>pedos do something therefore we should take rights away from everyone

>>59522498
>this is a good thing
Hey, we found this hard drive. It doesn't have any data that we can prove is on there, but we're going to claim it's an encrypted drive, and you're going to give the key to us or we're going to keep you in prison. That's very convenient for us, seeing as how you're a political enemy of the state, but that's only secondary to your crime of keeping this CLEARLY encrypted drive.

>>59523205
IP logs show that someone using the same IP as him downloaded CP via his network.

He apparently had suggestive images of an underage relative - that's irrelevant to why he's being held and his appeal is being denied, though.

If the files are encrypted, their hashes are not identical to known CP. This is just the first argument reiterated, and adds nothing. You're just parroting.

It's more like someone was shot dead, and there is only one person in town who possesses a gun illegally. There's no reason not to prosecute them for what we know (the accusations regarding the relative) but there's no reason to prosecute him for what we don't know (that his hard drive is encrypted; that'd be like assuming he shot the victim, when nobody can prove or disprove his whereabouts or tie him to the crime otherwise. It could, in that analogy, have been someone who passed through town who shot and killed the victim)

It seems obvious to you that he has CP (despite there being no binding proof), but if we violate due process, you better fucking believe things go downhill quick. I mean, do you enjoy having your money stolen from you from cops due to civil forfeiture? Because that's a violation of due process, and it happens all the fucking time. It's systematic.

>>59523661
but you are the distributor. im sure that the feds would go after you first.

>>59523737
The FBI also distribute the pizza, remember? We know whose side they will be on.

>>59523737
If someone wants to shoot your doggo, it doesn't matter.

>>59523661
That face

>I seriously hope you arent a pedo

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>>59523587


>due process should not be applied fairly to everyone.
>i get to cherry pick how the law gets applied and who it applies to.

It makes sense. How long he spends sitting in jail waiting to give up the keys shows just had bad the things he's trying to hide are. If he has nothing to hide he'll give up the keys and will be on his way but seeing as how he hasn't, he deserves to be locked up for whatever he is hiding.

>>59523663
Reading the article, they had reason to believe there is actually CP after they decrypted his mac, probably from some sort of recent files or other shit that leaks stuff from volumes

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>>59522478
>hardened arch

>>59523854
>If he has nothing to hide he'll give up the keys and will be on his way

This argument is wrong too.

>police knock on door
>can we come in?
no
>hiding something then? because you would let us in if you had nothing to hide

>>59523872
YOU would say no because YOU have something to hide. If an officer knocked on my door I'd let him in.

>>59523859
You understand that what is illegal is possession of those files, right?

If he possessed them, then deleted them, he is not in breach of the law.

>>59523894
Exercising your rights is a good thing, keeps them in shape.
>Hello officers, nothing's going on in here I'm perfectly safe with all my guns and privacy thank you. Please get off my property now, I'm sure you know the relevant tresspass legislation.

>>59523904
Not like I like the situation, but given how the better your lawyer, the better you'll be off in court in the US, I'm not surprised.

>>59523894
Okay. The police enter your apartment, conclude that you have a lot of expensive things lying around and they let you know that they're going to seize some of your property through civil forfeiture as there's a possibility that you gained those assets through illegal activity.

This is something that happens, and happens a lot - like with the family that had their car seized when a mechanic drove it while testing the repairs he had done with an expired drivers license.

>>59523909
Or,
>Hello officer, thanks for enforcing the law and keeping the neighborhood safe from child predators, sure I'll let you in, can I get you a drink?

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>>59523894


so then i guess you arent opposed to your government installing CCTV INSIDE every room in your house, recording all audio inside your house, logging all of your phone calls, logging all of your computer history, and having someone follow you around 24/7, because, you have nothing to hide, and therefore have nothing to fear from someone watching everything you do.
right?

>>59523927
Okay, what if a bunch of clowns came into your house and stole you dog and ate all your cereal? I can play the "what if" game too.

>>59523933
You're basically guaranteed to be guilty of violating some law, there's more than any human being can possibly comprehend at this point. If they want you arrested, you're arrested.

>>59523894
That means you'll be giving them full permission to turn your house upside down, possibly plant drugs or basically place yourself under the full mercy of the law or corrupt police, for no apparent reason...
why do faggots like you shitpost and ruin imageboards? do you think you're funny or original? or are you so hungry for attention and validation that you would go out of your way to ruin things like a cancer on an anonymous imageboard? kill yourself

>>59523927

This.

it is very common that anything (ESPECIALLY CASH) of value are seized by the police who then make it prohibitively expensive to retrieve said items.

>>59523934
What so you don't want the police checking your computer for illegal files? So you'd be okay with roaming gangs of anarchists on trucks with machine guns firing into people's homes? I mean, you don't want any laws right?

HURRRRRRRRRRR

>>59523942
Then i would have a bunch of dead clowns in my house as i would be protected under the castle doctrine.

>>59523380
It is in the legislation. Any drawn/pseudo image depicting a child in a sexualised manner is prohibited.

>>59523942
Show me some documented cases of this happening while I compile a list of when just a few of the many, many unjust civil forfiture cases.

>letting random people into your apartment
Shiggy diggy cucks something something

Seriously though, if you do that, you deserve the assrape that follows. Both figuratively, and quite possibly, literaly.

>>59523228
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PMhaKUR0fWsJ:https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chris_Forcand+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Fuck off cancer

>>59523203
absolutely, you fucking degenerate massive fag

How do you erase the history of any file you deleted on your hard drive? Or that you actually downloaded something or moved it. Are there log files that say x file was here and it was moved to y?

Can you just remove the file, clear all caches and erase all free space?

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>>59522478
So why dont you tell them the password?
You can reencrypt with a new one after you are cleared.

>>59524167
How do you prove that the drive is encrypted?

>>59524153
>How do you erase the history of any file you deleted on your hard drive?

you overwrite the sector of the drive the deleted file sat on.

HDDs dont actually delete a file when you tell it to. it just marks that sector as available for a write when the system gets around to needing it. Which is why file recovery is a thing.

>>59524185
I know about that. I was wondering if information about the file's existance is stored somewhere by the file manager or web browser.

>>59524179
Everybody knows people keep around volumes or files of random data for reasons, right?

Do you believe courts are made of 1960s scifi computers?

More like the suspect would have to prove the random bits filled drive has other purpose if he wants to claim it isn't. Also you can probably look at hi OS install and see he has the apps/components for this installed.

>>59524167
what anime is this?

>>59524285
Crusher Joe OVA.

>>59524179
>"The government has provided evidence to show both that files exist on the encrypted portions of the devices and that [the suspect] can access them," wrote the circuit judges, rejecting the appeal.

>>59524258
>files
That's not an encrypted drive then, anon. Please don't talk about things you don't understand, it shows how retarded you are.

Have you never had a hard drive fail? Have you ever disposed of an old hard drive?

>>59524308
Oh, they have? Did they show him accessing it in court?

Government claims to know plaintext on encrypted drive. They're still urging the defendant to provide decryption keys. Nobody seeing the issue with this?

>>59524372
I do. If they know those files are there, they can prove it. If they can prove it, they don't need the password.
They have no real proof and, basically, they are trying to extort the evidence.

>>59524179
Easy. Every encrypted file/device contains a cryptoheader, otherwise it would be impossible to determine a right decryption algorithm, or where the data actually starts. If you have a header, you have a proof it's encrypted and you may even tell the software.

>>59524448
What about pulling ISP logs? Can't they prove that someone at the address downloaded them and then extrapolate that it was his machine? Motherfucker was using a mac he obviously wasn't very smart. That and his melanin levels

>>59524482
> Can't they prove that someone at the address downloaded them and then extrapolate that it was his machine?
Well, kinda, but he always can say "I don't know who did that, I have an open wi-fi hotspot/some relatives/a virus/whatever". MAC address can be cloned, so it's not a solid evidence.
> Motherfucker was using a mac he obviously wasn't very smart.
Well, he still encrypted his drives.

>>59524482
Downloading cp is not illegal. You've probably seen cp on this site at some point in your life, and you are not a criminal because of it. What would make you a criminal is storing that data on your hard drive, manually, meaning that you are in possession of it.

Someone was freed for having such data in their browser cache, as it could not be proven that it was their intent to store cp.

I've already explained this. The charge is POSSESSION of cp.

>>59524324
>Have you never had a hard drive fail? Have you ever disposed of an old hard drive?
Failed drive won't look like random data, and it is trivial if drive is actually failed. Speaking about who doesn't know shit.

I mentioned files because last time I was interested in truecrypt for hiding porn from parents, it could be used in disk or in file/image mode.

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>Don't worry, Trump won't let it happen to you! He cares about privacy and your rights!

This guy needs a better lawyer

>>59524575
No, this country needs better privacy

>>59524606
Well that too

>>59522478
>implying he won't eventually win on further appeals.

>>59524545
Correction:? it is trivial to check if drive is actually failed

>>59524547
it's GOP, dude. They only care about big business and rich people who want to pay little to no taxes (like Trump himself).

>>59524606
Are all millennials this stupid?

>>59524636
> Ad hominem
You lost the argument, m8.

>>59523205
>-IP logs that show that he downloaded
he was using i2p you retards. It's like being a tor node.

Anyway this is an interesting case because the guy is
a) a cop
b) at trial for CP
he knows that if he relents it's a death sentence, my guess is he will continue to sit in jail forever rather than comply

>>59524658
> he was using i2p you retards
How he got caught then? Is I2P compromised?

>not storing the binary code for pizza in your head

What a scrub.

In all honesty, losing a case in an appeals court just means that it has a chance to be heard by the supreme court, and applied across the entirety of the country. I can only hope that the supreme court will be more reasonable about the 5th amendment. The arguments that have been made thus far by courts are pretty fucking retarded? It's a foregone conclusion that there is damning evidence on the phone? Then you do not need access to it. If the prosecutors have enough evidence already to say they know for certain what is on it, and that the defendant's testimony would make no difference, then they should use that evidence to convict him. If, however, a reasonable argument can be made that they do not have enough evidence to convict him, and need to decrypt the phone, then the defendant's fifth amendment rights must come into play. Under no circumstances should the defendant be required to provide evidence that would swing the result of their own trial against them.

>>59524513
Funny, here in Germany it's the other way around. Having cp in a cache counts as downloading it, but there is no prison for not telling passwords.

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>>59524645

That's not an ad hominem. You're just being insulted for stupidity.

>>59524903
> legitimate, relevant concern
Nope, can't see it there.

PROTIP: if you live in US/UK, don't wipe your old drives by overwriting them with random data; you might be thrown in fucking jail for not being able to "decrypt" that highly suspicious shit.

>>59524481
>what is dm-crypt plain mode

>>59524972
This. Isn't destruction of evidence, even if it's only presumed to be evidence, a potentially worse crime?

>>59524755

As far as I remember from the case, one of his family members said they saw CP on his phone. They then reported it to the police. The police said "okay, give us the password to your phone," and he said, "nope; fifth amendment."

I will argue this: if the family member's testimony is insufficient to convince a jury of guilt, it is insufficient to demand his rights be violated. If it is sufficient, then it is unnecessary to violate his rights.

>>59524893

In common law systems, which we use in pretty much every English-speaking country, to have a crime, you need two things: a guilty act and a guilty mind (mens rea). Something located in a cache cannot be proven to be intentionally there. After all, if you were browsing /b/ back in, say, 2007, you might have accrued a few CP thumbnails in your browser cache, even though you were not browsing a site intended for CP, nor did you save any of the images intentionally. Your browser saved the thumbnails automatically without your conscious action. There is a guilty act of possession, but no guilty mind, as you are no more capable of not committing the act as you are of not running over someone who jumps off of a freeway overpass right in front of your car.

>>59524959

>Are you using your attack as an argument against the information?
>No
>You aren't committing an ad hominem fallacy

>>59524903
That diagram is stupid.

According to it this statement is not an ad hominem attack.

>>59525009

Destruction of evidence would require that it be considered evidence before you wipe the drive.

>>59525018

Mind explaining where you found an ad hominem attack in that post you just made?

>>59525011
>The police said "okay, give us the password to your phone," and he said, "nope; fifth amendment."
or you could just read the article, or even just the title of the article

>>59525062

'scuse me, hard drive. I've been reading a little about this case off and on. Only payed attention to the fact that he lost the appeal.

>>59525091

*paid

Fuck, what am I doing still awake at 6 AM?

>>59523228
>>59523347

Some years ago, when people would actually accomplish things instead of just talking, 4chan used to doxx people who were pedos or mean to kittens. An area of freedom, an area of justice.

Of course there were alyways edgelords posting stuff just to piss other people off, but we stood up against things we didn't like. But that was before Anonymous became a meme, before smart phone users were invading, before nu-/g/.

You wouldn't understand.


>talesof4chan.org/2015/03/07/b-tracks-down-pedophile/
>https://arstechnica.com/business/2011/10/anonymous-takes-down-darknet-child-porn-site-on-tor-network/
>jezebel.com/5970975/anonymous-outs-members-of-alleged-steubenville-high-school-rape-crew
>https://www.dailydot.com/news/walter-easly-vine-kitten-kick-4chan-reddit/

>>59524481
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>59522478
>dd if=/dev/urandom of=/
>or
>shred -fuz /directory/

He's still 1000x better off like that compared to being in prison for CP as A COP. This is the "I want to die in the first 24h" cocktail

>>59525369
Oh wow anon u just defeated the FBI good jerb

>>59523205
Then they can charge him on those things. It's still his Fifth Amendment right to NOT give up his passwords.

I hate pedos as much as you do, but letting our rights slip for one man is compromising our rights for us all.

>>59525369
>of=/
that's a directory, not a file

Is there an encryption algorithm that would allow two different (both meaningful) decryption results depending on the password?

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>tfw impenetrable MILITARY GRADE encryption

>>59522881
There is a criminal charge. Contempt of court.

>>59525404
>It's still his Fifth Amendment right to NOT give up his passwords.
It's not. Passwords aren't testimonial.

>>59523587
There is literally nothing wrong with being a pedo in 2017

>>59523114
>we say it's there so it must be

Government can literally use this to do anything.

> one image depicting a pubescent girl in a sexually suggestive position

Vague as fuck. That can be said about any clothing catalogue with children's clothing or swimwear.

>man's sister had "reported" that her brother showed her hundreds of pictures and videos of child pornography

Yup totally believable. Hey sis, look at all these naked underage girls. Pretty cool right?

>>59525136
Yeah it was a good time before the edgy teen racists invaded

>>59524513
So are you telling me streaming is legal but downloading is not?

/a/ BTFO

>>59525890
Sure there is.
I know americans see it as a lesser offence than say hording experimental medicine, but people gets outraged because of the victims.
I mean they are fucking children.

>>59522478
I've been saying that but you gtards wouldn't listen

>>59522478
Just looked it up.

In freedomland I'm not required to give any information the police "don't already know exists" meaning if they know (ergo, an officer already saw incriminating evidence on my PC before automatic encryption began). I feel like this can be abused by law enforcement, at the same time I think anyone worth their salt would contest their knowledge in a court of law to know for sure they're not lying about it.

>>59524972
Doubt it. Could be selling/scrapping them.

>>59524658
>Cop + CP
topkek he'll get shanked faster than some faveladinho in a brazilian prison

>>59525369
Good job, they'll still be able to get in. What makes you think that dban hasn't been backdoored?

>>59525373
Yup. He could potentially hold out for years, then release the passwords and be sentenced to time served for the original crime if he waits long enough, kek.>>59526692

>>59526325
Do you mean they are having sex with the children or putting emphasis on the fact they are children?

Both?

>>59525496
Is this retarded? Anyone?

>>59527122

yeah it's retarded

just have two encryptions and give them the false one

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>>59527139
you're retarded.

JUST:
>have encrypted volume
>secret volume
>super-secret volume
"Okay, you've opened the volume, now open the REAL volume kek"
>vacationphotos.gif
>tfw

Or if they were really mad at you, they could conceivably accuse you of having ANOTHER encrypted volume ad infinitum, keeping you detained indefinitely.

>>59522478

Content aside, it's increasingly difficult to justify having encrypted volumes to safeguard legitimate data on grounds of privacy. Govs have the unlimited and infinite capacity to know and be curious, whether it's justified in the first place isn't really the question because absolutely everything in the dark comes to light, the question is whether it's known or unknown. It's an incessant game of cat and mouse and choosing to be the mouse on the long run really must carry a justifiable reason. Humans are in ways bound to be subservient to their juridictions and act within the law, so full compliance does entail transparancy and lack of it is in many ways immoral, we've yet to see morality applied on a larger and more neutral scale.

>>59523166
>Then why unlock it in the first place?
Good question, they're lying and know that without that evidence they will lose at trial.

>>59526081
>Yup totally believable. Hey sis, look at all these naked underage girls. Pretty cool right?
kek

>>59523380
>what were london riots

>>59527178
>not being behind at least seven volumes

>>59523894
>let some random officers into your house
>they shoot your dog and lock you up

Cuck

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Encryption makes you diddle little girls. Don't encrypt if you want to lead a healthy sex life!

>>59525136
>>59523205
>2011
>old times

you are everything that is wrong with this site

>>59525778
This thread is not about the hardness of your encryption anon...

>>59525136
>2015
Ah, the good old times

>>59524481
Please don't talk about things you don't understand.

>>59525136
Modern anonymous has nothing to do with the old one that sent bomb threats to scientology and made swastikas in habbo hotel for lulz.

>>59523158
They're being removed out of the taxpayer's pocket. They usually end up removing themselves from society anyways via suicide anyways.

>>59523942
>Okay, what if a bunch of clowns came into your house and stole you dog and ate all your cereal? I can play the "what if" game too.
those things are illegal, civil forfeiture isn't. really big fucking difference.

>>59527956
No man, you just tell your encryption don't take that shit, don't let yourself be imaged, encryption. Stand firm in the face of these fascists, encryption, and do right by me man.

>>59526924
How can you backdoor file destruction?

lawfag here. guy is probably a pedo degen and deserves to die. regardless this criminal government is out of control blame the jewjudges ruling the constituition is'an open document, living and open for interpretation'

>>59528573
You're just one step away from saying loli is CP

>>59528586
fuck off kikeboi, you want to dindle to little cartoon nipon boys i dont care more college sluts for me. just dont go and do it in real life or download and or distribute cp.

>>59525136
>>59526116
>>59527600
>>59527906
>>59528011

Prior to 2011, Anonymous were scholarly gentlemen damaging other people's internet property and building true camaraderie as a result - definitely not ideologues hunting down pedos and neonazis.

It's just another good meme long coopted by neurotypicals, nothing more. Pepe and wojak will soon follow.

>>59528586
As far as US federal judicial system is concerned, they indeed call it 'virtual child pornography'. The 18 U.S.C. § 1466A is in effect, but is rarely used when standing alone with loli, because it's too easy to strike down as unconstitutional. The rare instances when a case was build up there are more or less outliers.

Similiar situation is in the europe. Loli is legal de facto, but not de jure.

>>59524258
>Everybody knows people keep around volumes or files of random data for reasons, right?

I have entire drawer full of old hard drives I had overwitten with /dev/urandom prior to decommissioning. I have no way of proving they aren't encrypted, nor does a potential accuser has a way of proving they are. If I lived in a "guilty until proven innocent", "release keys or go to jail" abomination of a legal system, this could potentially fuck me beyond belief.

>>59528658
This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY

>>59529110
sigh, back then I thought journalism couldn't get any worse than that

>>59523099
>>59523587
>Thinking that is fair to put people in jail for more time for seeing 2D loli than muslims raping underage girls
That's glorious UK for ya. I mean, New Somalia and New Pakistan

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>>59531880
Are cherubs considered illegal in the UK or do they come under religious protection?

>>59527600
>>59527906
>>59528658

God, are you people assblasted because 4chan used to be less cancerous than today? Oh, the irony..

I've been here for a while and there really were "good old times".

I actually bothered doing some research for you newfriends..


>January 2007: Hal Turner
>One of the first archived doxing campaigns targeted American white nationalist and blogger Hal Turner, who waged a war against Anonymous by disclosing the phone numbers of prank callers that had raided his radio talk show on-air in December 2006. In retaliation, a group of Anonymous members known as Chan Enterprises LLC launched a doxing investigation and managed to obtain Turner’s criminal record, housing details, former locations of residence and detailed personal information such as his home phone number.

>October 2007: Chris Forcand
>As early as in October 2007, members of Anonymous approached Chris Forcand, a suspected pedophile, under the pretense of being underage girls to collect evidence of him luring children in chatrooms. During one of these conversations, an Anonymous participant named “Jessica” was able to obtain Forcand’s mailing address, which soon led to uncovering of additional personal information about him. In December 2007, Forcand was arrested by the police after the information was passed on by anonymous tipsters.

>2010: Operation Payback
>Visa and PayPal refuse payments for WikiLeaks, Anonymous gives them some high-class DDOS attacks.


Only some stories of a time when 4chan was not full of shit. Well it was, but at least it was good shit.

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>>59523894

>>59523166
> there's CP on that drive
> prove it
> w-we can't, but we just know!
> how?
> circumstantial evidence
> so you don't have any hard proof?
> NO BUT WE *KNOW* IT'S ON THERE AREN'T YOU LISTENING
> but you can't actually PROVE it?
> WE DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE WE KNOW IT

>>59523894
Do you know how much a police uniform costs at a costume store, and how Photoshop works for ID cards?

>>59524625
> who want to pay little to no taxes (like Trump himself).
Reminder that Trump paid more taxes than Bernie, Obama, or McCain in 2005 at a 25% rate

>>59523114
>we know you are guilty so we are sending you to the gulag comrade
>hurr durr what is due process
GOD BLESS

>>59532656
Haven't cops been able to do what they want more or less due to them being allowed to present 'their own judgment as an officer of the law' as usable evidence in court? Like yeah they can't just shoot a dude in the head (yet), but they can just say "We searched that guy because we smelled weed on him"

>>59523205
>OMG THIS GUY IS IN JAIL FOR NO REASON! I ONLY KNOW THE HALF THE STORY THAT THIS GUY TOLD ME!

yep

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>buy a hard drive

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda

>get arrested because the random data areas of the hard drive are clearly child pornography

>>59528625
You can have thise filthy whores.
You're wastinf your time anyways.
Ill stick to my shota and loli ;)

>>59522478
The whole western world is fucked aren't we?

What the hell can we even do about this?

>>59533648
Simple, get involved in your local politics and have them legally counter the federal-global government.
>It is locally illegal to enforce federal laws. Come at me.

>>59533720
Sounds like too much work. You do it.

>>59533720
> Simple, get involved in your local politics and have them legally counter the federal-global government.
Can't do much by yourself though. You can raise all the issues and changes you want, but you can't do much if you just get shouted down and challenged at every turn.

>>59523114
>pic of human female
>Apple product.

Something isn't right.

>>59532560
That's like trying to say that unless police physically see drugs in your house they're not allowed to even try to get a warrant regardless of circumstances.

The difference being that police can force their way into a home while a good password and proper encryption can't be cracked.

So the question is:
If police come across a case where a man has a record of dealing drugs, is known to have bought and sold drugs and has family that says he has drugs but this man stores the illegal products within an impenetrable bunker that only he has the key to, should police let this man go?

>>59534094
> should police let this man go?
It's not about what they should or shouldn't do, it's about the rule of law at the current time. Until the law changes, or unless there's a law that specifically allows the man to be kept, they need to release him.

>>59534094
In the US I would argue that the warrant allows them to possess the harddrives and attempt to decrypt it, but you cannot force the person to give the possible password because that is in his head and would be self incriminating.
The argument being you cannot compel someone to self increminate.
If they happen to find the passphrase written down in the house during the lawful search of the house or manage to crack the code manually. Then by all means that is legal.
The issue is simple in my mind and revolves around the idea of self incremination being established as illegal in the US.

>>59532643
He also makes way more money. What's your point?

>>59534803
That 'Trump pays little to no tax' doesn't ring true as much as Liberals want it to. As he said during his debates, he uses legal loopholes that people like Bill and Hillary Clinton wrote into law to help their wealthy friends. Hillary could've helped close those loopholes during the last 30 years, but she chose not to, because she and her friends were using those exact same loopholes.

Why would you gimp yourself and purposely pay more tax than you need to?

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>all the pedofags itt in damage control

>>59522598
>http://embeddedsw.net/doc/physical_coercion.txt


Wouldn't matter, Keyfiles already deleted when specific incorrect combination entered into safe, setting off a shotgun shell pointed at the uSD card containing said keyfiles.

decryption literally impossible.

>>59533193

It's really simple, actually.

Does the hard drive contain information vital to a conviction?

Yes: 5th amendment applies

No: Why hasn't he been charged?

>>59522478
if you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide

>>59525011
>As far as I remember from the case, one of his family members said they saw CP on his phone. They then reported it to the police. The police said "okay, give us the password to your phone," and he said, "nope; fifth amendment."

Inb4 the cop is actually a closet weeb and his family member saw a yuru yuri pic on his phone and freaked the fuck out.

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Anybody have experience using a "rubberhose" encryption scheme? Currently have two encrypted drives wuth two keys, but would like to hear how others have done it. Just /dev/urandom a drive, and use some cryptsetup param to include a headerless volume i assume?

>>59522667
Hidden volumes are nested, no way to tell what's hidden and what's not.
One file, two keys, each key reveals something different

>>59523205
>back in the days 4chan was busting pedos
Did you mistype "Was full of pedos who would ensure you saw CP at least once a day"?

>>59523722
>systematic - systemic ? not trolling. Just suspecting you were looking for this word instead.

>>59522478
>hand out hidden volume key
<nothing here anon
>go free

>>59534094
>The difference being that police can force their way into a home while a good password and proper encryption can't be cracked.
What if there is some madman in a bunker and they have trouble getting inside? Any cases where police had big trouble getting inside?

>>59526081
>Yup totally believable. Hey sis, look at all these naked underage girls. Pretty cool right?
I can confirm that this happens though. I remember some creepy kid did pretty much exactly that to some random chick when I was in highschool.

>>59536349
Even with a bunker it's possible to get in within a reasonable time period. I can't imagine a bunker ever taking more than a month to break into, but decent crypto will take millions of years.

>>59532280
Fucking with Hal Turner had nothing to do with his politics dude, he just gave good reactions.

>>59522478

Hate to beak it to you, but its the same in the UK bonger - and most other countries.

>>59525496
>>59527122
>>59527139
thats the normal and hidden volumes scheme in truecrypt / veracrypt

apparently its called rubberhose
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubberhose_(file_system)

>>59535408
what tools are you using? what encryption scheme/software?

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>>59522538
>weebs - autistic evolutionary deadend
>muslims - future of UK, also the ones doing the raping are pro-actively taking what they want and getting away with it a.k.a. the alpha males

Gee I wonder why it keeps happening

>>59528179
That's a good thing

>>59536119
>hand out hidden volume key
>they upload CP
>don't go free