>ask for help on programming assignment >get smug response

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>>59505300
I've worked a few years in several large companies and have hardly run into pretentious people. From my experience people are happy to help.

did the cunt at least help you

>>59505300
Unfortunately when you're around "smart people" for long enough you'll eventually come to learn that most of your peers are massively insecure about their own intelligence (because their entire concept of status derives from worshipping intellect)

this is especially true in high school, university, and academia, and in left wing circles where appearing smart / gifted is obviously encouraged by the system to an unnatural degree

anon, everyone around you is full of shit. life advice, anon, the truly intelligent people either pretend to be dumb or will be too busy working on amazing personal endeavours to talk to anyone outside of a narrow field of specialists

but yeah, the industry is slightly better

> weed pic
You might be the problem here

>>59505300
it depends on a lot of factors.. company culture, team makeup, your boss, etc.

tl;dr it depends

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>>59505346
This, basically.

>>59505330
Nope

I figured it out though

>>59505300
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
Asking stupid questions is looked down upon in any industry and in any major worth a damn.

Especially in college. Most students are too lazy look anything up in the text or online.

Hopefully you find some solace on this anime imageboard. There is always some thread complaining about 'pajeets' or 'women'. Post in one of those, that might make you feel better.

/smug
/pretentious
/ostentatious

>>59505373
It was a question with regard to a homework assignment. The issue got solved but no resources could help.

Not sure what you're trying to say/imply though? You might be autistic, you have my pity.

Quentin, you should understand how hash tables work. It's just not that hard.

>>59505425
>You might be autistic
Someone called you out for asking a stupid question on an "intro to programming" assignment. That is according to you. And you were so bothered about it, you posted your /r9k/ experience here.

I accept my autism. Do you accept your laziness? I'm assuming you are lazy and not stupid.

>>59505487
okay kid it's almost bedtime

>>59505300
I have one of those in my classes and it pisses me off to no end

>>59505300
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
why would stackexchange exist then ;)

Did a baby shit on your text book?

>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
Somewhat. You should generally be competent enough to solve your own problems, or at the very least piece together the information you need from other sources. That said, you should consider the fact that you are in an academic setting. The purpose of the assignment is for you to learn how to figure out on your own how to solve it using what you have learned from paying attention to the class lectures and taking notes every day. Students are wise not to provide too much help towards homework problems, otherwise it might remove the challenge element of the assignment, and possibly be considered academic dishonesty. It's one thing to ask for help with a subject that was covered in the lectures, it's another to ask someone to make you have less work to do on the assignment by sharing some of what they've learned with you. My professors have often told my classmates and I that on programming assignments, it's fine to share some high level concepts, but that we shouldn't share code. This can get blurry though, so my personal policy has generally been to do all of the homework at home and not talk about it too much with other students.

>>59505300
Depends on what you mean by help. I'm glad to point people in the right direction, and help them learn, but I won't show others my code.

>>59505300

Maybe if you weren't a braindead stoner, you wouldn't need the help in the first place.

>>59505332
This.

>>59505333
trips for truth, you don't know how much weed affects STEM ability until like 3 months after you stop.

I'm proud that I can do calculus at all because of how bad high me was in HS.

t. ex stoner now employed in industry

who knows what topic you are even talking about.

im going to assume you use windows and the person you asked is on mac

just a wild guess

>>59505300
>get smug response from classmate "you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"
>Are software devs this pretentious in the industry?
Yeah. Unless it's something somewhat trivial, it's generally just shit-talking for fun.

Today, a dev was laughing at interns for having shitty laptops and not a cool gaming laptop like him. He said that he has a gaming laptop so he can be cool and socialize. I told him that that's what a living room is for. Interns laughed at him. It was a good time.

>>59505690
>because of how bad high me was in HS.

Are you sure you're not just the spawn of an incestuous relationship?

>>59505690
literally kek

weed makes you feel stupid, you actually are just better able to preceive how stupid you are. It slightly makes you stupid too but only slightly, and temporarily, it goes away as soon as you stop

>>59505690
Don't go to class, straight A's past two years, smoke weed every day. Nice n = 1 hypothesis, brainlet.

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>>59505739
>brainlet
I want /sci/ to go.

>>59505609
You start this paragraph with rhetoric and eventually make it to potentially valuable anecdote, so I read something very strongly reminiscent of dogmatic babble that tutors dish out to pad lecture time. That shit's dangerous for the unwise, especially to those who need to ask questions as they might have not all of their shit and perspective in a stable place yet. "Should, purpose, might, consider, for, thing" these phrases don't have much real value to engineers and learning, itself is a mechanical phenomenon. These phrases lead to distracted, social snobbery and bigotry anyway. Realistic engineers optimise them out of their vernacular.
You should consider ( ;) ) that the ideals of those institutions which are a confusing mix of ego and career driven academia/research/industry/education misfits.
Sounds like you have a pretty good attitude for your own education but don't under-estimate how much you can pick up from other through seemingly hardly-stimulating exposure.
I think that further into your education, code will be fine to discuss and strategies/algorithms/justifications will be the subject to plagiarism concern.
I didn't actually achieve what I wanted to say about your advise being dicey. But I hope I strung together the picture.
Hey, why do you call yourself sempai when you yourself are a student (undergraduate?)? Anyway, real pride is in being a learner and sharer, not teacher. Just incase you had some affinity for the phrase sempai. I assume that you're good and even helpful when the topic is Ruby.

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>>59505300
>tfw so far above people no one knows how to help
>tfw professors and other doctoral people don't even know what the fuck I'm up to.

>>59505975

>You start this paragraph with rhetoric and eventually make it to potentially valuable anecdote, so I read something very strongly reminiscent of dogmatic babble that tutors dish out to pad lecture time. That shit's dangerous for the unwise, especially to those who need to ask questions as they might have not all of their shit and perspective in a stable place yet.
The purpose of my post was to explain why it is that many of Anon's fellow classmates may be unwilling to help, and what is expected of them as a programmer.

> "Should, purpose, might, consider, for, thing" these phrases don't have much real value to engineers and learning, itself is a mechanical phenomenon. These phrases lead to distracted, social snobbery and bigotry anyway. Realistic engineers optimise them out of their vernacular.
You should explain your reasoning for your argument.

>Hey, why do you call yourself sempai when you yourself are a student (undergraduate?)?
Student, yes. Undergraduate, no. I am currently working on my master's degree. I call myself sempai because I've had a few beginners looking up to me in the daily programming threads, and some were calling me sempai. I figured I'd just add it into my tripcode. In any case, sempai doesn't mean teacher, it just means you're someone's senior, so it's fine for a student to use it.

>>59506357
I'll try to get back to you.

>>59505739
damn aspergers sounds really amazing man

>>59505332
That's why I slowly began dropping advanced classes in high school alltogether. Most of the people in higher level academia are simply "worker-bee" type people that are easily led by authority figures. The most sad part about it is that they will never leave academia. They will never progress from where they are in life, because they refuse to break from the mold. They sit in on one continuous path their entire lives without realizing it goes nowhere. They end up with some low-paying drone job and die in it.

>>59505300
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?

Just hop on IRC and claim that the programming language is shit and that it can't do what you want. You'll get lots of very complete responses.

>>59505633
This.

I essentially did this to someone who asked how to read values out of an array by looping through it. I'm a Junior. You might as well ask someone how to factor when you're in Calculus.

>>59505332
Well written anon. I took a screenshot.

>>59506654
Damn dude. Well put.

>>59505332
Did as well.

>>59505456
Matthew? It's your turn in fbchess my man.

>>59505332
truth

>>59506009
everyday

I don't mind helping my co workers with a fast answer/reply about how an in-house tool works. I also don't mind a quick chat about how what I think the best approach would be to refactor/upgrade an old part of the code base.

But I do mind these things when I'm in the middle of something. These topics are good for lunch break and at the start/end of the day.

>>59505300
dude is a cockbag but in the workplace your colleagues will get the shits if you don't try to find information out for yourself first.

and seriously, the best skill a programmer (or anyone in a technical role) can have is the ability to find the information they need efficiently.

Learn how to learn and the rest will follow.

t. person never trained in comp sci that works with 2 comp sci phds

>>59505332
>the truly intelligent people either pretend to be dumb or will be too busy working on amazing personal endeavours to talk to anyone outside of a narrow field of specialists

yeah nah. That *can* be the case but is far from always the case.

>>59506654
>I took a screenshot.
How do you do that?

>waaaah hold my hand!
>I need spoonfed everything
>I might have to look at a man page or actually open the text book and that is scary!

>>59506611
obv still in high school

>>59505332
Most really smart people I know are shiftless losers because they are content to live fairly simple lives.

Not everyone is out there being a go getter anon.

>>59507206
instala el gentoo

>>59505300
Never understood this attitude. I always loved helping out my peers because it gave me a sense of superiority that you don't get by mere smugness alone.

>>59505332
This so much, i studied in all boys high school and just recently got into university, and damn people care about their appearance they even refuse to talk to you if you have a bad rep or have old fashioned beliefs probably because our dept have one of the highest concentration of women, hell a guy who watches and anime and deliberately bring up how he watches anime in japanese and portray it like that hes doing something amazing, i was fucking alienated, or maybe i am an autist

>>59505366
You answered your own question? Gee whiz dude

>>59505300

Any developer who thinks he's great is almost invariably trash and just hasn't been called to task yet. You may not understand something but at least you aren't suffering from Dunning–Kruger.

The know-it-alls quickly get put in their place once rubber meets the road.

>>59508793

That said, you're probably just starting out and will have to suffer through "high school smart/tough guys" for a while.

>>59508793
t. anon from his mom's basement

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>>59505332
screencapped this post, good advice

>>59507206
Command+Shift+4 and then draw a box around the post

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>>59505332
10/10 quality post
>>59506546
kek

>>59505300

People who do that are insecure assholes. Most teachers, in my colleague at least, prefer if the students have questions and need help. It shows that they are engaging in the class and learning something.

Plus, if that asshole know the subject already, why the fuck is he taking the class the same class as you ?

Asking for help when you've exhausted your options is encouraged.

If you ask for help and haven't done your due diligence, then yeah, you're probably going to get trashed. Nobody wants to waste their time doing your job for you if it doesn't look like you put in the effort.

Even then though, you'll probably get a few freebies before people realize you're an incompetent fuckwit who doesn't care about wasting their time (if that is the case). It really depends on your attitude how people are going to react to your questions.

And then yeah, there are some smug assholes, but they're probably not as common as they are in school.

>>59509141
>If you ask for help and haven't done your due diligence, then yeah, you're probably going to get trashed. Nobody wants to waste their time doing your job for you if it doesn't look like you put in the effort.
This is cancer though
>submit detailed bug report
>clearly state that bug is not duplicate of other similar bug for reasons x and y, describe testing methodology etc
>gets brigaded and marked by retards as duplicate

Software people are toxic as fuck. They expect that you simply didn't do anything yourself and they make a bunch of dumb assumptions and they're all too stupid to into critical thinking and deductive reasoning, and then after all of that shit they condescend to each other. It's like when some innocuous discussion of something like RAID comes up and some IT Pro faggot posts LOL RAID ISN'T BACKUP for the millionth time


cancer cancer cancer cancer cancer cancer

>>59505300
>software devs
programmers

>>59505690
t. brainlet

>>59505300
As long as you can say you've RTFM and scoured google to no avail, asking questions is all good!

>>59505300
You see, all the problems in software development are split into two categories:
1) those that you can figure out yourself - you get some kind of working solution and may ask others to review your solution
2) those that you can not figure out yourself - you discover a bug in existing code or a technology drawback and may post a bug report before thinking of workaround
you don't just fukken casually ask other to solve your problem
if you want to do so just go become a manager or something

>>59507373
>and portray it like that hes doing something amazing, i was fucking alienated, or maybe i am an autist

He has low self esteem and trying to validate himself by appearing cultured.

It's the same with any art. Teachers are paid to support you, they don't give a shit about where you go in life. Classmates, otoh, are competition.

Translators have got the same shit.

>>59505332
This

>>59505300
>shit quality weed
doomb muricon

>>59505366
it was trivial, wasn't it

>>59505300
no, that guy is an asshole

>>59505300
>Are software devs this pretentious in the industry?

Not at all.
We always help each other.

But you're probably a retard who doesn't even know the most basic things - we don't take kindly to that.

>>59514909
Actually I showed a professor at my uni. The method returns void yet sorts a String array. They couldn't tell me why it works since Java is pass by value. The string array is declared only in the main method not as an instance variable.

>>59505300
>Are software devs this pretentious
Yes, we all are, but I might be the most pretentious one of them all.

It's like you're new here.

>>59505332

this is actually extremely sound life advice from /g/

>>59505332
This

>>59505300
GARBAGE GREEN bro!!

"Atleast it's in the higher class and not REGGIE"

I became *that* guy.

At first when people asked me questions about something they didn't understand, I thought they did it out of pure interest in what they're studying, and I was happy to help them. I mean, I got to talk to people with whom I shared some kind of interest.

But then when they asked me the same thing for the 4th time, thinking every time their problem was any different than the others, I finally understood. They don't learn. They simply don't care. When the exam is done, they forget everything you've told them. If they cared, they wouldn't have such stupid problems. I'm an average person and I don't have the problem they're having. It's either because they're all dumber than the average person, or I'm a genius, or they simply have no interest in what they're doing. I'll take the latter. They're just interested in getting passing grades so that they can get their worthless piece of paper and get rejected at the door of the workplace of their dreams. They got into CS because they want to "just liek maek gaymes" or straight out had no idea what to do with their lives.

Now, if someone ever asks me about something trivial, I'll either answer "this was covered in the lesson" or "You'll easily figure that one out".

>get smug response from classmate "you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"

>tfw constantly get the urge to say this to brainlet fags in uni who can't grasp basic shit but don't to not look like an asshole

>>59514991

Primitive datatypes are passed by value in java. The rest are passed by reference.

A String is not a primitive datatype.

>>59515197

>Primitive datatypes are passed by value in java. The rest are passed by reference.

That's not what pass-by-reference means retard.

public static void myMethod(Boolean myBool)
{
  myBool = false;
}

...

Boolean myBool  = true;
myMethod(myBool);
System.out.println(myBool ? "value" : "reference");

This code prints value

>>59514991
You're a stupid codemonkey aren't you?
And your professors are shit too it seems.
That's trivial shit.
That guy was right, he should have been even smugger.

>>59505332
capped

>>59515344
ur a dumbass lol

>guy in my lectures
>always shouts out an answer or just interrupts the lecturer
>not always right anyway
>always looks and sounds so smug while doing it
>everyone is sick of him and rolls their eyes when he does it
>lecturers even told him to shut up a few times
>fails 2nd year

>>59515344

You pretty much proved my point

Thanks

>>59515134
>Now, if someone ever asks me about something trivial, I'll either answer "this was covered in the lesson" or "You'll easily figure that one out".
t. social reject
Just say you don't know if you don't want to help them, 'tism

>>59515442
>>59515410

>Failing to understand the difference between passing pointer values and references to variables
How does it feel to be more retarded than a pajeet?

>>59507373
That's just him being a weeb anon, you should know that by now and realize that you are automatically better than him tenfold by the fact that you're not (at least a blatant) one.

>>59515486
>Just say you don't know

Why would I lie?

>>59515486
don't try to help him

>>59515344
Boolean is not primitive

>>59515703

That's exactly the point.
If Java were pass-by-reference, myMethod would have the side-effect of setting myBool to point to false.

>>59515726

Is this bait?

>>59506009
Can you tell an example?

>>59505300
DUDE

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>>59505300
you sound like one of those morons that got spoonfed all the required courses and retained none of the knowledge or you just don't know what you are doing.

...and after reading the rest of your replies in this thread, yep I was dead on.
have fun failing out of your meme degree.

and Jesus Christ get a new plug, why the fuck are you smoking those mids?

>>59515853
WEED

>>59516090
LMAO

>>59515726

Boolean is a primitive datatype in Java. Look it up.

Full list of java primitive datatypes:
-bool
-byte
-char
-int
-long
-float
-double

Values of class types are references. For example: Strings are references to an instance of the class String.

Hence your example with the Boolean, not being changed by the method, is because boolean is a primitive datatype. If you tried doing the same test with a String it would in fact, change.

>>59516393

>I don't know what a boxed primitive is
Go back to college.

>>59505373
This. I would be like "seriously dude, you should know that by now" i still help them doesnt mean i cant poke at them

>>59515410
>>59515442
>>59515703
>>59515771
>>59516393

OP here, I never knew cancer could be so funny

>>59516433

A boxed primitive would pass it by reference, yes. But that hasn't come up yet in the examples above.

I think you should be the one who should revisit some
>classes

Cuz right now you're being rather primitive.

>>59516579

Are you blind or just dumb? In my example I never wrote boolean, only Boolean.
The method takes a Boolean, not a boolean.

But even if you avoid the whole issue of boxing you're wrong.

public class ValRefTest
{
        public static void main(String[] args)
        {
                String myString = "Original Value";
                testSideEffect(myString);
                System.out.println(myString);
        }

        public static void testSideEffect(String s)
        {
                s = "New Value";
        }
}

Compile and run it.

>>59509391
Stackoverflow is fairly cancerous, but they have their reasoning, the questions are not merely answered for the benefit of the questionnaire, but for other people who encounter a similar problem, a solution would be ready for them on the same thread.
That's why you have the whole duplicates thing, so that there would be one proper answer to the same issue, and not 50 different variants.
I don't like it but it works.. to an extent, realize that much of the IT industry are a bunch of insecure betas and women

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>>59516647
pretty much the same problem I was having but the following code fixes it.

Now, does anyone know why it works? :)

>>59505332
fucking nailed it

>>59508825

8=====D

>>59505332
>>59505328
good post

>>59505300
>>ask for help on programming assignment
>>get smug response from classmate "you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"
>Are software devs this pretentious in the industry? Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
Most are not except for some old farts that do not have an open mind.

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>>59505300
>ask my qt waifu for help on programming assignment
>ara~ara~ anon are you telling me you dont know how to do something as simple as "that"? mooou mattaku how did you even make it this far?! am going to help you but you have to buy a pudding, neee?

Its your own fault for not living inside an anime.

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>>59519405
OwO

>>59507206
you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!

>Linear functions and absolute functions
OP are you in grade 11

>>59519577
that's more like grade 7-9...

>>59505300
I'm guessing you're one of those people who constantly asks for help on questions that can be found on the first result on Google or always asks for help on why his code isn't working when the compiler error clearly states why.

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>>59519424
you haven't really been here that long if you think this is bad

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>>59506546

>>59505935
underrated toast

>>59505300
Chances are you asking for something that is answered and easily found on stack overflow. Even pajeet code monkeys can figure how to find programming help themselves.

>>59505300
>"you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"

people like that should be gassed

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>>59520232
>postures as oldfag
>posts something from 2015

>>59522089
>being on 4chan past 30

that's basically kill-yourself tier

>>59514991
It works, because the list is passed by reference, so it can be modified inside the function. Only primitive types are passed by value.
Also, you call mew every time you create an object, so it remains until the GC removes it.
This is basic java behaviour, and your prof should have known the answer.

>>59516647
You are changing the reference to a new object, not modify the object to a new value.
Think of it as pointers. Calling assignment operator on a pointer will not change the object it references, but the reference it holds.
Try calling a method on the object, that changes its state. And be aware, that boxed types and String are unmutable, so they don't have state changing methods.

>>59522401

Exactly.
In such cases you are following the pointer.to the object and changing that, not changing the pointer/variable itself.

Passing a pointer =/= pass-by-reference.

>>59505300
The only smugness I've encountered inna industry was from pajeets who don't understand the culture they're working in

>>59522431
This is Java, not C++. Java and C# smear the two things, so people coming from C area will get confused.

>>59522584

That's correct. Java has no mechanism for pass-by-reference like it can be done in C++ or PHP. That's the point.

>>59505332
>the truly intelligent people either pretend to be dumb or will be too busy working on amazing personal endeavours to talk to anyone outside of a narrow field of specialists
Fucking this.

Time for a black pill. Programming is probably the worst IT profession. The truth is most of you are going to spend your entire careers building apps for insurance companies to help them scam the middle class out of compensation claims. You'll work 12 hour+ days and then you'll go home each day tired as fuck but you won't get to relax because you'll have to study more bullshit about development to keep up. If you don't your autistic peers will over-take you and that will show up in the job. Not to mention that tech is always introducing so many new fads each week that companies like to phase random buzz words into their "stack" so if you don't live and breath this shit you won't be able to keep a dev job long term.

You'll eventually have to sacrifice everything to the alter of abstraction and you'll be expected to put on a smile while you do it. Now if you pass all that (most of you won't, your degree is worthless) - you'll get a job writing code for 12 hours a day at some shitty company. You'll do that till you get too old to keep up which in tech is probably like 30 then you'll retire. And if you're lucky and your skills aren't already out of date from your brief employment at company to company, maybe you'll get another job writing code for less than what young people earn because of pajeet and agism.

So when did /g/ realize that programming is one of the worse jobs in IT? I mean think: There is the long hours. The complete lack of job security. Endless homework or "personal projects." The money is good but specialization in technologies that go out of date in a month is required and the poor work life balance make it pointless. IMO: anyone who is good enough to be a developer is good enough to do a job in IT that pays better and treats you better so I'm guessing most developers are just incredibly naive and ignorant, career-wise, I mean.

>>59522602
I agree. Java hides the value/pointer passing from the reader, and misnames it as reference. This leads to the confusion.

>>59522706

I'm glad somebody understands.

What OP has asked for help with is something that our teacher neglected to explain in any real detail, and is a concept that is harder to grasp for people who don't have prior experience with this kind of programming.

You guys have to understand how early they are in their course, and that OP hasn't "made it" any real distance. Thus, being smug about understanding it is nothing short of intense autism.

>>59507035
what a shitty reply

>yea well you're not 100% right in every conceivable case.. where's my replies and adoration?

>>59505690
Yeah sorry bro, I dank up and get great marks.

Weed can potentially make you unmotivated (ie. all you want to do is smoke and play video games) but I don't think it actually has impaired my intelligence or ability.

>>59505332
What a fucking moron you are. This feel-good shit may appeal to people's emotions but here's reality:

Just because you perceive nice people or generous people as intelligent doesn't make them so. You're the one who's insecure. Some people work their asses off to accomplish what they have and despise stupid people who will complain about failing classes due to their own ineptitude. Of course though, stupid people like you are going to say that intelligence doesn't matter because you're not intelligent. Truly intelligent people act how they act. Some are nice to you fucking retards and some are mean.

AND, that bully in highschool isn't jealous of you, no matter how many times your mom says so.

>>59505332
I've noticed that people who show off their intelligence or think they're very smart frequently overestimate themselves. When I attended middle school, there was this computer whiz who always had this air of superiority. It was so funny to see the pathetic look on his face when he did horribly on a standardized test. In contrast, the student who got nearly a perfect score (99.99% percentile) looked like just any other regular student. When I was in high school, there was this chemistry whiz who did well in has classes acted confident to the point where he think he's better than most of his classmates, but funnily enough, he believed he could create a perpetual motion machine using magnets.

>>59519405
Cute, how do I get inside an anime?

>>59505300
It depends. I've had senior engineers kinda look down on me a bit or who have found me a pain in the ass because I did something incorrectly or not the best way. But generally people have been helpful and are willing to teach you.

Kids in college on the other hand were total pricks so...

>>59507035
He hit a nerve, huh?

>>59523018
Wow I haven't seen this much projection since microfilms were phased out.

>>59522706
>>59522717
Java doesn't hide anything. It doesn't have a method to pass by reference because Java is always pass by value. This is actually even easier to understand if you aren't retarded.

>>59507373
you sound like an aspie

>>59522043
We had one guy as an intern who couldn't figure out how to create an object in C#. When we told him to Google it he typed in "Programming Make New Object".
I wasn't sure whether I should laugh or feel bad about him.

>>59516393
>Boolean
>bool

blame society and your substandard education

>>59505300
It's ok to ask and yeah there are pretentious people in the industry. With the amount of things to learn in IT it is a given that there'll be some things you wouldn't know.

Anyway I usually try to research first before I ask around.

>>59505506
>this mad

>>59505332
All these brainlet retards acting like this is a good post
lmao

>>59524216
Topkek
>>59523018
Lmao act how they act. You're right on that and only that. Except they choose to not act like a true neanderthal and actually keep themselves in check rather than be a slave to their emotions and sound like a babbling raging spastic fool.