Don't mind me just pirating this wallet! >pirate fags

>he thinks invalidating a made-up concept is the same as denying one access to property

Pirating is like copying everything inside the wallet without touching the original, actually it means it was paid for in full meaning its not even a problem for manufacturer. Owned m8

>>59503829
Don't mind me copying this wallet!
You can keep yours

>>59503829
It's okay, if you clone the credit card you're not stealing it.

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>>59503852
>Owned m8

>>59503866

you're actually making a totally separate copy so that means it creates a duplicate bank account with a (1) next to it.

You're duplicating the money not just the plastic

If you are not going to spend money on an item because it not "appealing" enough, then that makes stealing OK? What? "Well I wasn't going to pay for it anyways so it's not like I'm hurting you by just taking your product." Yes you are! You're taking a unit of their product. Sure, maybe you won't pay for it at first, but if the movie ends up being good then maybe you'll want to see the movie and then they have your sale. But if you have seen the movie already then they get no sale from you you! You obviously have no economic knowledge on that regard.

Piracy is theft, you are taking from someone. It is no different then going to a store and taking a movie off the shelf. It does not benefit anyone but the pirate who decides he is too good to pay for things he want. Too good to get a job and earn the things you get. Piracy hurts the economy and loses jobs. So stop it.

>>59503829
boo hoo someone think of the CEOs

If I take atoms from you, you no longer have the atoms.
If I copy bits from you, you lost nothing.
Requiring dollars in trade for atoms is arguably reasonable.
Requiring dollars in trade for bits is absurd.

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Dont mind me just pirating these mountains!

>>59503948
>Dont mind me just pirating these mountains!
don't mind me just pirating your post

>>59503898
Digital piracy is different from "stealing", because it does not deprive the original owner of their access to the copy. The moral issue with piracy is that it DOES deprive the original owner of the right to profit from their property, however that really doesn't come into play if someone wouldn't be willing to pay for it otherwise.

Think of it this way, if the "theft", does not cause the original owner to lose property, nor does it cause a drop in their potential income, who exactly is being harmed by it?

>>59503829
>I've always had the financial means to purchase the things i need and therefore i have no idea what it's like not having said financial means to purchase things.

>>59503829
Keep posting this! Your logic will magically get less shit over time!

Piracy does not deprive anyone of anything- property, profit or (real) rights

I'm just gonna start replying the same to all of this threads
Are you telling me that amateur painter outside of the Louvre is stealing the Mona Lisa?! He's even profiting from it!

>>59503898
>friend asks me if movie is good or not
>tell him it's shit
>decides to not go watch the movie
>movie company denied profit
Wtf I'm a pirate now!

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Jews like the MPAA will claim that they are losing millions, and even billions of dollars to internet piracy. After all, if Internet piracy didn't exist, then consumers would have to buy products legally! Right???

No! Just because I pirate a movie doesn't mean I would have bought it if piracy wasn't an option. A lot of times I've only seen a movie just because I've been able to see it for free. I didn't feel like they worth spending money to watch. In that case the kikes hasn't lost anything!

Internet piracy could actually be beneficial for jewish media. If you pirate, then ask yourself this - how many music artists and TV shows have you discovered through illegal means that you would have glossed over otherwise?

Piracy allows us to discover things we would've skipped over. I think that Internet piracy is actually what placed some bands and TV shows on the map thanks to word of mouth!

>>59503829
>making a copy of a wallet
Who cares. Everyone wins.

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>be pirate
>download YouTube videos on my machine
>next day on the news
>"YouTube stolen, hundreds of popular videos disappear"
>mfw

>>59503829
It's not theft if I feel like I deserve it.

t. Socialists

>>59503888
he's right though

>>59504236
>I feel like I deserve it
That's exactly the reasoning people use to claim that copying stuff is "wronging" them. They feel that they're entitled to money for selling their stuff, even though the market isn't willing to pay their prices, and they're not willing to pay to make piracy non-viable. It's basically pure capitalism, being unable to compete with the black market.

>>59503888
Only response? Get out of here back to your shitty job

>>59503911

>Requiring dollars in trade for bits is absurd.
Unless those bits have not been created yet. That is, it is reasonable to pay for labor to create a product, but less reasonable to pay for a copy of an existing product.

>>59503829
I would steal your wallet if it was as easy as pirating. I would also murder you if I was guaranteed to get away with it.

He вoзpaжaй, пpocтo пиpaт твoй кoшeлeк

>>59503829
There's a disappointing lack of ocean in that picture.

>>59503829
Yes, go ahead and copy my wallet friend, im still left with the original.

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>>59503829
It's not my wallet.

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>>59503829
Just make sure to publish all changes and to contribute any money you add back to the original wallet.

>>59503898
>Piracy is theft
The supreme court doesn't agree with you.
Why do you not follow the law anon?

>>59503898
Piracy is not theft. You need to educate yourself more on this issue because you clearly don't understand the terminology. Do you honestly think piracy is hurting companies like Microsoft, for example?

>Some poor dude pirating my wallet
>I still have money to go buy groceries
>The dude now has money for some groceries too

How is that a problem

>>59503829
Can't infinitely replicate a wallet for free.

Ban 1's and 0's xD

>>59507482
>be a wallet maker
>everyone just copies the wallets instead of buying from you

Wait wait wait.

You said pirating a wallet. But what about the contents on it?

What if you could only pirate wallets? Do you think there's such a demand for wallets that you would get rich from reselling them or some shit? Do you love wallets?

>>59507545
Yeah but it would be the same wallet. Some people would want different shit.

You could make a wallet with an apple logo or something.

Those examples are cancer since you can't apply that in real life.

If everything was "pirateable" everyone would have everything they want and that's not a problem, the wallet manufacter would not receive anything but who cares ? He don't need food since he pirates it, he don't need a car since he can pirate it, etc.

>>59507562
>You could make a wallet with an apple logo or something.

of which you could sell how many before it gets copied again?

And to be clear, I'm pirating all the shit too, just saying I do think thank I am hurting their business, about which I dont give a fuck of course, but denying it does nothing.

>>59507604
Listen, if I could hurt a business that way I'd do it everyday. I'd make it my job to do this shit. I'd pirate the fuck out of their wallets as much as I can.

It's not ever effective. Not even that effective against small businesses.

>>59507545
Everyone already inherits wallets so you lose in any case.
Might as well whine that it's immoral for parents to pass down wallets.

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>>59503829
IP law is broken

>>59503898
>Piracy is theft,
I pretty much only download stuff that is unavailable otherwise. BBC F1, Sky F1, Old movies. Not making excuses. New movies suck anyways. Waste of time.

>>59503829
I bought the software why shouldn't I be able to do what I want with it?

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>>59503829

>>59504229
wow! good thing you downloaded them beforehand!

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>>59503898

I pirate things I wouldn't buy either way.
I am not a potential customer, so how are they losing money?

>>59503829

"Pirating" simply means copying information.

The whole idea of "intellectual property" is kinda wierd if you think about it. You can put work in building a house and say "I made this house, so I can use it. If you want to use it, give me something in return to compensate my loss of this house". But informations can get shared freely. If I tell a story to somebody, this person can tell this story to everyone. There's no real way (and no good reason) to keep him from doing so. And that's why it's so hard to stop piracy: because it's the wrong logic for this whole issue.

Not saying programmers should get any money, but the current state of Software is just an anacronism and will be differnt in the future. So let's accelerate this transformation by letting more people know that information can never be "property".


>>59508304

Bastard, I just spilled my coffee laughing so hard..

>>59509014

* = shouldn't get any money

>52 replies
why.
and here I thought /g/ was at least a bit intelligent.

>>59509033
>/g/
>intelligent

>>59503829

If you just copy the wallet without removing the original I wouldn't mind.

>>59507647
Well actually that's what they're doing about digital marketplaces and your inability to resale what you bought.

>>59503898
High quality bait

>>59507545

> Wallets can just be copied now.
> Still trying to make money making wallets

How clinically retarded can you get?

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>>59503829

>>59508301
> Selling something that is not scarce.

Arguing for 'pirating' being illegal would be like if one day replicators become a reality and are labelled as contraband due to IP laws.

'Pirating' is just software replication.

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>>59503829

>>59503989
Thanks for slowing that.

>>59503829
I don't feel a need to justify it. I buy Guatemalen bananas, African cocoa, and infringe copyrights. At least I'm vegan :^)

>>59503898
What's the difference between pirating a movie and going to my friends house and watching the movie? Both instances i saw the movie without paying.

They have more than me. Fuck em

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>>59509306
>when kalyx is unironically better than numoot

>>59503829
let me pirate this wallet
then i give you 50% of the pirated wallet
then i pirate your wallet again
then i give you 50% of the pirated wallet
repeat ad nauseam

damn op thanks for showing me the way to infinite money

>>59509286
Stuff like that has been happening a long time. Mainframes and such have physical DLC that can be unlocked for additional fees, and be in trouble if you circumvented the locks yourself.

copyright infringement is not theft, it's copyright infringement.

it's not stealing, it's unauthorized copying.

>>59509252
>nobody makes any new wallets
>nothing to copy
>economy crashes

>>59503829
Corporate shitpostet

>>59509541
I am a reptilian wishing to use piracy to bring humanity to ruin by turning them to theft against one another and driving them away from the means of production.
But I have a problem, it seems people are only willing to pirate information. They won't pirate sustenance.
My plan for mass starvation have been foiled!

>72 replies
>no metion of library
>one mention of going to a friend to watch a movie
>>59509421
Isn't it illegal? Isn't there a warning "don't show this movie to other people something" before the movie starts?

>>59509766
There's an exception in the case of a "private and free diffusion" at least in my cunt, wich is a fucking legal copout.

>taking an exact copy of "my wallet" that I never have to know about and effects me in no way.

go nuts lads!

>>59509831
I hope the definitions are not blurred. Or some corporate nigger can sue you because you've been showing a move to five friends while rules lawyering on open to interpretation law..

>>59503829
IF YOU COULD DUPLICATE PHYSICAL MATTER THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR CURRENCY OR REMUNERATION TO BEGIN WITH

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59509913
man what would the world look like of this were true.
Would the majority of people just do research then?

>>59503859
No wait dude that's counterfeiting

>>59509936
No. Most people are passive shits. And human suffering would still be a commodity, so there would be an economy based on that and niche stuff that can't be mass produced. You'd see fuckers in wooden tall ship replicas having most of the crew living in deplorable conditions for its own sake.

>>59503829
>Pirating this wallet

So you took the wallet, copied it and its contents, and put it back in his pocket?

I mean, he still has to cancel his credit cards and look out for identity theft, but that's not so bad. At least he still has his cash and family photos.

>>59503829
> stock watermarks
Hey, OP. You pirated the image. You didn't pay for it, even though some photographer took his time to create this photoset.

Pirating is stealing if you use the piece of software all the time without paying for it. If you can afford to assemble an i7-7700k, a GTX 1080, a greeting monitor, etc, then you can more than afford to stock that pc with games. However, not everyone has a robust pc. Most people have rigs that might not handle some software. The pirating community serves as a way for those people to test out a piece of software on their rig to check for performance. Also, there are several kinds of software that do much the same thing but with subtle differences. Pirates allow people to check a software for its functionality. Also, software developers are sometimes prone to overselling their product by overpromising and underdelivering. Pirating is a way for people to determine if they find the software valuable or useful.

The idea is to make a decision within a day or three. At that time, you either buy the software or delete it from your system. That's the honorable thing to do. Those who delete the software immediately were never going to buy the software, thus the company never lost money. Then there are people who genuinely cannot afford either a good rig nor good software. Those people were never going to buy that software, thus the company never lost money.

>>59510236
pirating is not stealing under any circumstance

it's copyright infringement, different crime

>>59509936
Star Trek had interesting hypotheses on this subject.

Of course when people could satisfy all their needs, they would look to discover other needs or things beyond the physical.

>>59510253
>copyright protection is defined by the DMCA, an american text of law
>because my country opens its asshole wide for the americock, that text of law has value over here
I consider it treason to my nation to consider copyright infrigment a crime.

>>59503829
more like cloning desu senpai

>>59510305
>my country doesn't have its own copyright law

how cucked?

>>59503829
Property is a spook

>>59510490
It has it's own copyright laws for it's own shit. I just don't understand why any country other than america has to comply with shit protected by the DMCA.

>>59510254
If we didn't have a need for material objects we could begin the hunt for green women. This is obviously the best argument for communism.

>>59503829
>trolling

look /v/ is leaking again

>>59510092
kek, op btfo

>argues against piracy/copyright infringement
>using a picture he has no right to distribute

>>59509062
dis

>>59504169
Nintendo pls

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>>59509434

>>59503989
But she didn't leave the box there, that's not copying.

Piracy is stealing. It's often also murder and kidnapping and destruction.

> Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them.

> Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

> A US judge, presiding over a trial for copyright infringement, recognized that “piracy” and “theft” are smear words.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-banned-from-using-piracy-and-theft-terms-in-hotfile-trial-131129/

>replying to the same fucking thread again
Why is /g/ so easy to troll

>>59503898
I pirate because:
I only watch movies once, since it's a waste of time watching the same thing again. It's like I'm borrowing from a friend, really.
I don't buy games because they are either too expensive (60£ for a game, really, that's enough money for 3 weeks of food) or they are only sold in digital format, like Stardew Valley, which I'm loving.
I don't buy music simply because I never did. I've always pirated it. But people have been pirating music since vinyls, so it obviously doesn't hurt the industry as much as you think.
I don't buy books because I only read manga, and I'm not spending money on chinese cartoons that take ages to get translated.

>I don't like this thing, so it's literally murder
Just kill yourself retard. Copyright infringement is not theft, it's copyright infringement.

>>59514933
>I only watch movies once
rentals exist
>don't buy games because they are too expensive
subscription services and sales exist
>I don't buy books because I only read manga
kys

>>59515163
>rentals exist
I don't use botnet services, sorry.
>subscription services
Again, botnet.
>sales exist
Not for Nintendo games, which is what I care about that have physical version. The price drops only 10£ after 5 years.
>kys
Confirmed salt.

>>59503904
this

its literally an appeal to emotion fallacy, except that the emotion is you are supposed to feel is sorry for music industry reps who are making $500,000 this year instead of the $1.5 million they previously made from selling everyone the same beatles white album multiple times on cassette, cd, dvd and vinyl

its literally jesus feeding the 5000 and then corporations trying to swoop in an take a hold of the situation, they're hoping they can get away with you paying for the same shit without even having the medium format anymore, which was in actuality what you were paying for even if overpriced

the argument that small bands wont make money is bullshit, they scrapped to get by back then and it is no different now. but even now people are much more generous nowdays to support their favorite artists in person, which renders the payment of a produced medium ala vinyl, cassette, cd, 8 track, which was the job of the record label, to be fucking trashed and obsolete in the computer age where the mediums are commonplace and dirt cheap and unnecessary

>>59515163
I don't want to spend money.

>>59513044
Nope, /g/ is very hard to troll.

>>59515251
This guy gets it.