Are you a data hoarder /g/? I certainly am, I try to be organized

>>59488010
Setup a ftp and let us look through it senpai. Thatd be pretty great of you desu

I get by pretty easily on a 500gb SSD. My clover folder on my phone is huge because I keep putting off sorting it out though.

no. there's no point to it. life is ephemeral and short

people who try to make things last forever (e.g. insist on collecting their photographs, maintaining a music collection, or in your case, hoarding random data that's literally not worth anything even on a sentimental level) are just afraid of confronting their own mortality

What do you use to store all of it? A home-server set up?

Been wanting to build myself a Linux (probably Red Hat or CentOS) based home server for a while now so I can have my own git repos all in one location for my stuff.

>>59488045
>just afraid of confronting their own mortality
or i just like viewing some things more than once.

>>59488045
>insist on collecting their photographs, maintaining a music collection
how does this in any way imply fear of death? jesus christ

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>>59488010
Yeah, I have a problem

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>>59488030
I'd actually love to! My current situation however would prevent me from hosting something effectively, and much of this data actually is on drives I've removed from my only pc at the moment. Its complicated.

>>59488045
A deep depression eats at me anon, I know that line of thinking. I try to get past it by believing that I in some way or another am providing a service as a sort of digital librarian that I fancy myself as. Assuming we make it out of our solar system I'd like for the humanity that lives on far after I'm dead never to lose information, or as little as possible. It may be a silly purpose, but try not to be so glum.

>>59488010
I am.
>be me, be now
>have a 2tb drive that is maxed off
>all other drives maxed off too
>just start backing up data to a 2x4tb in raid 1
>moving 200-500 gb at a time
>mfw this 2tb is dying
>mfw "click click" the whole time
>mfw my vm files wont transfer one of the vmdk files because of io error
>mfw, because it was on a usb 3.0 adapter, smart data didnt go though
>mfw this drive now fails smart and has relocated sectors I didnt know about
>mfw smartctl "calculates" this drives remaining life is only 200 something days

>inb4 backup blah blah
this drive WAS a backup drive, then I just got way too much data and had to store it directly onto this one

>mfw I have another full 2tb drive - made by seagate

the fear is real

tldr is buy wd or hgst drives and keep everything in raid (mirror not something like 0.. never use 0 if you like your files.)

>>59488111
in the future there will be museums and they will have pottery from the ancient world and art from the renaissance and maybe even an iPhone in our section

your hard drive though, probably won't be on exhibition

embrace the present, allow the past to slip through your fingers

>>59488045
this

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>>59488100
>powershell

>>59488010
I used to be but I started audited my working theory of curation and found it deprecated. Originally I had been hoarding in case information would no longer be available. However, media; books, movies, games, music, are always available in the right communities. So now I focus only on rare datasets and dumps that aren't easily found on sharing communities. I found the drive to collect media relatable to greed and I felt my epeen getting larger for every 8TB drive I added to my server. Having information readily available doesn't mean having a copy on the disk, I've rationalized. Having a link and auditing the availability of this media is easier and allows the scope of data and information curation to expand at a far greater rate.

My data hoard is called the fucking internet

>>59488010
Not a big data hoarder but still want a tape drive to store 1.6tb of animu on cheap $10 tape

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>>59488153
>he doesn't know powershell
>2017

>>59488130
The clicking is a terrifying sound, mine click now and again and I worry for hours. Every single one of my drives is either pulled out of another PC or given from a family member that upgraded theirs.

>>59488144
Museums aren't my interest anon, people don't go to a museum to patch software or anything else related to what I store.

>>59488203
Tape drives are my goal.

The only thing I do on my pc is listen to music, watch youtube, download the occasional movie. I have 3TB of shit I'm never gonna watch or listen to. It's fun to have 100GB of old Japanese eurobeat but I'm not a big fan. I have every Seinfeld episode in HD but I don't want to delete it since torrents might not be seeded in the future. I have a large pepe collection but I almost never post with an image. It's great to have all these animes but I don't even like most of it.

What happened to me.

>>59488203
What tape has a 1.6TB capacity and sells blanks for $10? That's a fucking steal. If the drive isn't too expensive, I'd get one.

We use LTO at work, and it's great, but bigly expensive.

I use a zraid of 5x2TB traditional drives for my hoarding.

>>59488010
I hoard anime. I have ~2.6TiB, but I've actually watched basically all of it.
Other than that, I don't have a large amount of anything.

>>59488010
>>inb4 backup blah blah
>this drive WAS a backup drive, then I just got way too much data and had to store it directly onto this one
>
>>mfw I have another full 2tb drive - made by seagate
>
>the fear is real
FFFFFuck. I've had that situation. Do you keep a stack of BDRs on hand to burn the really important stuff off in small chunks? Because now, 25-50GB is small.

>>59488010
I mostly hoard OS images, custom ROMs, apps, recoveries, etc for past and present devices, specific versions of software, and the FLAC copies of my music collection (I keep it in aac on my SSD).

I've recently started adding a bunch of shit to it to free up space on my 480GB SSD (I like keeping it at least 1/3 empty), but I'm also deleting smaller shit I know will never get taken down and larger files I will never need. It allows me to keep a large amount of hard to find shit, and also a lot of files I use often that I'd otherwise have to download again.

>>59488231
>The clicking is a terrifying sound, mine click now and again and I worry for hours. Every single one of my drives is either pulled out of another PC or given from a family member that upgraded theirs.
guy you replied to here.
On windows it can be caused by the indexing or some shit. My drives would do that every time I didnt move the mouse for 10 minutes. I switched to linux and they all stopped clicking. This clicking though is actually because of drive failure.. so keep that in mind if you are using windows.

It sucks that Im desensitized to the clicking though.. I still do realize the seriousness of my situation.
Im pulling the last 300 gb off of this drive right now, so far I cant copy 4 files, the copy fails each time.. idk what to do about that.

>>59488356
Yeah. Don't trust an SSD for long term storage. Clear it off, use it for current stuff.

For archival

Tape > optical > spinning disks > SSDs > USB flash > floppy > magneto optical

But I do know a few people who claim that floppy is actually better than SSD for long term data integrity.

>>59488310
Well the $10 figure was bit of a stretch (more like $10-20 for LTO-4) The 1.6tb figure is the compressed size if your data isn't already compressed, native size is only 800gb.

Used single LTO-4 tape drives I found to be around $300-500 with price varying wildly in all directions.

If you have hoards of data your not going to access often it might be worth it

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>>59488130
seageate is timed failure.
even you offline backup could fail the same time as the online raid

pic related

>>59488349
You replied to the wrong guy but no, I have fancied getting a blue ray drive for this very reason but the good discs + the good drives cost way too much.
Ive also looked into tape drives but I feel Ill do something stupid like by the wrong type, shit brand, or store them wrong.

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>>59488412
>floppy

>>59488227
gwmi is not powershell specific, although the shell itself was powershell. I would gamble that powershell itself isn't really what is used most often, but that it is a vehicle for wmi that used to exist as wscript et al

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>>59488314
I don't hoard too much anime but I save all of the ones I've enjoyed. Eventually going to be put on a media drive for an HTPC along with all of my ripped films and series.

>>59488356
OS images and such are commonplace on my drives as well, I OS hop now and then and not having to download iso's again is super convenient.

>>59488389
I will have to copy stuff over to an unused drive if I can find one as well, spooky thoughts anon.

>>59488456
>even you offline backup
yea I keep the seagate unplugged and powerd off for this very reason.
The drive In purging right now is a wd green 2tb.

my plan was, after the wd is vacant, copy the seagates data to the wd, the sort the files, delete the shit I dont need, and reintegrate it all onto the 4tb raid, then retire the 2 tbs or use them as a long term offline storage with mirror copies of eachother.
Then I want to get a dedicated unit with more 4tbs so I can have the breathing room I got a taste of when the 4tb raid was empty. (we hgst now) (saving your pic btw)

>>59488010
>>>/t/734712
>WorldTracker.org Mirror- 550GB of books covering just about every subject imaginable

>>59488487
Floppy was actually decent in terms of reliability, only got a bad rap because near the end floppy Quality dropped trough the floor since it was an afterthought rather than the primary means of storage

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Is anyone else's worried their memory retention has become lazy as a result of (almost) never needing to remember anything?

Because I worry my data hoarding is doing this to me. I have terrible memory once I'm away from my pc, but as a result of that I feel the urge to hoard an sort everything even more.

It's a viscous circle.

>>59488740

read a book

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You tell me senpai

>>59488937
f

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>>59488100
>winshit
>powershit

>>59488937
That's a lot of hentai desu

>>59488937
>imgur image
yeah, no.

just over 6tb of storage, 2/3 is used

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>>59489122
My screenshot app uploads to Imgur and I'm too lazy to change it.

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>tfw you hoard data but don't have the infestructure to back it up
>tfw PDFs that you archive years ago will be useful now but they're buried on HDs that you can't connect for a reason or another.

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>>59488010

I spend a few hours twice a year cleaning out my data hoard of stuff that I don't want any more.

At some point within the next year, I am going to do a system-upgrade parts-shuffle, and I'll have a spare box that I can turn into a dedicated headless home server. Maybe June? Maybe September? idk

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>>59488010
yeah...It used to be warez and PDF's, now its movies and audiobooks.

>>59489139
K. what kind of setup do you have that can support 20+TB as a single volume?

>>59489087
>you're shit

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>>59489238
Synology DS2413+
7x 6TB WD Reds in RAID 6.

>>59489238
Its not hard, a shitton of data cards and drives under freeNAS can do 20tb+

>>59489338
*sata cards
fuck you safari autocorrect

>>59489323
t. wintoddler

>>59489362
How is that year of the Linux desktop going for you?

>>59489331
fucking nice! what do you have on it? I have like a 300GB monthly cap so it would take me forever to fill that shit up.

>>59489373
The Linux Desktop experience is going great, have you paid 6.99 for Microsoft OneDrive and set your default browser to Microsoft Edge yet? Click here to ignore this message for another hour.

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>>59489373
>How is that year of the Linux desktop going for you?
bretty gud. been using it for years. still no ads and no telemetry :^)

>>59489378
Movies, TV, backups. I only have 7Mbps internet (fml Australia) but I used to have 100Mbps, and I go to LAN parties to exchange files.

I used to have two SSDs for caching read & writes but I managed to kill them both in a year for excessive I/O. I need some more.

>>59489392
>>59489394
>Microsoft fucks up at every turn
>Lincucks still can't get marketshare as people just move back to Windows 7

>>59489427
>Movies, TV, backups. I only have 7Mbps internet (fml Australia) but I used to have 100Mbps, and I go to LAN parties to exchange files.
Never been to a LAN party... too autistic I guess. Actually, never even heard of a LAN party in US. I read that people just bring their computers, set folders to share and everyone just copies shit like mad.

>I used to have two SSDs for caching read & writes but I managed to kill them both in a year for excessive I/O. I need some more.
jesus.... lol... I guess TRIM gave up. What brand/model were they?

>>59489427
What in god's green earth have you done to an SSD to kill it in under a year?

>>59489478
Cheap Kingston ones. The cache hit rate was 66% when I had them, so they were getting smashed a lot. A hit rate that high generally means I only use the newer stuff most of the time. Hitting the RAID for those requests makes your disks die quicker.

>>59489524
You should have used RAM fir shit like that.

>>59489557
This, RAM was cheap as hell a year ago

>>59489557
>>59489566
I can't add RAM that easily, since it's a Synology box with a shitty motherboard.

>>59489566
If you go down the DDR2 route, it still is. DDR2 is perfectly fine for all kinds of shit. And it's much faster than SSDs anyway.

Nope, my 6 year old 500GB HDD is still only half full and it is the only data storage I have used in that time.

>>59489584
Speed isn't really an issue. The bottleneck is the network. I don't need more than a gigabit at this point.

>>59489579
Time to move up to a custom NAS box then, pre-built ones never do give a lot of flexibility

>>59489440
>People are moving back to an OS that will inevitably hit EOL within a few years and not receive any security patches
>People are moving back to an OS where the manufacturer is explicitly disabling support for any processors that come out in 2017
>Real fucking people are actually going out and reinstalling Windows 7

Have you paid 6.99 for Microsoft OneDrive and set your default browser to Microsoft Edge yet? Click here to ignore this message for another hour.

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>>59488100
>he doesnt have 3 cases of 2-4TB disks
laughing sluts

>>59489633
>Time to move up to a custom NAS box then, pre-built ones never do give a lot of flexibility
any guides on how to build one? chassis? mobo? OS? seems fucking complicated.

>>59489672
WTF do you have on them? Corporate shit?

>>59489633
Too much investment, I might consider when drives are cheaper. But at the moment my drives of choice are $400 a pop.

>>59489704
>WTF do you have on them? Corporate shit?
Most of them are blank. Otherwise backups for 8x 4TB HGST UltraStar 7K4000s in a RAID 6.

>>59489717
>Most of them are blank
Fuck... how much money have you sunk into that shit?

>>59489692
>any guides on how to build one? chassis? mobo? OS? seems fucking complicated.
chasis: any 4-5 year old desktop with 4+ slots for hard drives.
mobo: see above
OS: centos, mint, whatever.
seems fucking complicated: if learing how to ftp to a linux box or setting up samba is "fucking complicated" you should seriously consider going back to >>/a/

>>59489692
Its nothing harder than just putting together a normal PC but with a NAS chassis and maybe a raid card.

It is somewhat harder than just buying a ready made NAS box, but you do get more options when it comes to basically everything, more RAM, more drives, etc.

There is also freeNAS which is built just for purpose and makes it really easy to get things setup software side

>>59489751
None

>>59489770
Thing about FreeNAS is it's a ram hog because of ZFS and ram prices aren't the best right now. You also want ECC for that. If you're just storing movies and shit you probably don't need to go that route. OpenMediaVault is very similar with standard filesystems.

>>59489777
reveal your secrets

>>59490016
>Work in a data center where there are pallets worth of disks
>???
>Profit

>>59489979
>You also want ECC for that
Its not like ECC DDR3 is real expensive at the moment (under $80 for some 32gb kits)

But really freeNAS is just one of many things you can use, was just an example of something that's simple to setup

>>59490026
Nice. But what about inventory? Does no one bother keeping track of parts or is it such a volume that you snagging one or two every so often flies under the radar?

>>59490189
For most companies a small crate of missing drives could be counted as a rounding error or they could just be retired

>>59488037
This.

I mostly download from /e/ and then just slideshow through them with that minimal slideshow app with the backwards Z

>>59490189
Most places i've worked have had horrible asset management practices. At this place it was so bad we had a room full of cases of disks because people would buy them and then forget about them.

>>59490223
And I'm not talking about a well organized stock room either, I'm talking about a office that was stacked floor to ceiling, and if you needed something in back you were going to have to spend half a day digging it out.

>>59488268
>100gb of old Japanese eurobeat

Would love to know where you got all of that. I have the same thing as you, fear torrents of things you like die and just keep it all stored. Most of my data is based on this, most of the films and tv shows I like I don't delete fearing never finding to download again, and if I got them on a low seeding torrents, hell yeah I will never delete, even knowing I might never watch it again. 3tb of stuff that I think is "rare" or impossible to find, maybe because of that we create some kind of fear of loosing it, these "special gems" that we may not like that much, but have some kind of emotional value. My father have the same shit, but with Vinils and books.

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I still have stuff in my downloads folder from 2012, I really should archive it all onto something

>>59488450
Still though, even natively stored carts are cheaper than disk. A 1tb is ~40 USD, so equivalent tape would net you 3.2 TB of storage.

>>59488030
please do this.

>>59490303
>Still though, even natively stored carts are cheaper than disk.
Not necessarily when you factor in how expensive tape drives are. Unless you're buying 1000s of tapes. There is a reason why virtual tape libraries exist.

>>59490328
True, but that's just initial set up costs. You have to buy the desktop to play with the disk drives too I suppose. Of course, I wished they made USB 3.0 Tape drives, becuase most use SCSI or fibre, so a connector card is in order.

Also, does LTO 4 even support LTFS? otherwise you need bullshit software to store data, whereas LTFS compatible drives let you mount carts like flash drives and shit.

>>59490303
You also have to think that tape drives are enterprise grade gear and in the long run a few tapes storing the same thing is going to be more reliable than a single 1tb consumer drive while still being much cheaper.

>>59490328
There not too expensive for some of the older stuff and getting a single tape 5.25 bay drive

>>59490341
No LTFS in LTO 4 sadly

>>59490341
>You have to buy the desktop to play with the disk drives too I suppose.
No, just a USB SATA dock. Its what I use for my cases of disks.

>so a connector card is in order.
SAS HBAs are cheap. LTO-6 tapes are fairly cheap too at $30 for 3TB. Problem is the drives cost $2k each.

>LTO4
At this point it is going to be such a hassle with swapping tapes you shouldnt even bother.

>otherwise you need bullshit software to store data
I just use it for backups. StarWind VTL works well for emulating a tape drive.

>mount carts like flash drives and shit.
This would be absolutely horrible. Tape drives have horrible seek times, and wtf are you going to do if a file spans multiple tapes?

>>59490365
>There not too expensive for some of the older stuff and getting a single tape 5.25 bay drive
If youre comparing used tape drives then to be fair you should also be comparing the prices of used disks which still end up beating tape unless you need LOTs of it.

>>59488010
I hadn't realized until this thread, but yes, I am. I save everything that I feel I won't ever be able to find again.

>>59490266
Im the same way. I've been building my library of TV shows and movies since I got my first computer and some of it I cant find in torrents anymore. So I keep it all just in case anyone ever wants to watch them or wants to download them.

>>59490341
>you need bullshit software to store data
what, is tar too hard for you?

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>>59488100
>NTFS
>No redundancy
>No checksums

>>59488010
Nope, I'm only at about 30 of the 42TB on my Plex server.

This is an autistic response.
>>59488045

>>59488045
I think hoarders just has a warped perception of how much time in the future they have. "One day, one day I'll get around to this." They don't understand how low of a probability that is.

I was, but I've experienced data loss about 4 times out of hard drives dying, two of which died after a friend borrow it, last time it happened both my external backup and laptop got damaged... I was thinking of getting a RAID setup, but then realized it was Overkill for my needs, I mostly rely on the cloud now

>>59490456
>I dont plan on having kids

I stopped counting at 75TB, then most of my array went dead and I haven't bothered recovering it yet, too busy, most the stuff I can re download, the rest I can wait for.
Now I measure in KG's. I've got probably 20KG's of cold drives in a box, and 22TB live (would be 30 but a 8TB's off getting RMA'd).
When I save for a bit I'm buying a van and turning it into a mobile data center proper.

>>59490388

>At this point it is going to be such a hassle with swapping tapes you shouldnt even bother.

Please clarify.

>This would be absolutely horrible. Tape drives have horrible seek times, and wtf are you going to do if a file spans multiple tapes?

No shit sherlock. Obvious statement is obvious. Tapes are archival medium. It's not like we're booting Windows off them or using one to run video games. And secondly, if i chose LTO 4 and had an 800 GB tape, in what use casse scenario where I am backing up maybe my music library and Clonezilla Snapshots or games I'm too lazy too re-download, would the file jump over? If we were going to anticipate going over, I'd just use a new cart.

.>>59490365
Do you know the first generation that supports LTFS? I'm going to look, but I guess reply if you want for other anons.

>>59490419
>tar
Isn't tar just the utility that makes the archive file for dumping onto the cart? My understanding is that some tape drives need special software to obtain access to the drive itself, and to control red/write operations.

>>59490469
What has kids have to do with digital data?
Your kids will think your digital data is trash, there are more better digital data to consume in the future.

>>59488010
>Are you a data hoarder /g/?

Yes. honestly I don't really think when i do hoard but yeah its a bad habbit.

>>59490473
>Please clarify.
LTO4 tapes are 800GB, you'll be frequently swapping them compared to HDDs.

> Tapes are archival medium.
Then why are you bringing up LTFS? If you're archiving shit you dont need a real file system.

>>59490510
>What has kids have to do with digital data?
Kids like to watch TV and movies.

>Your kids will think your digital data is trash,
I watched plenty of shit when I was a kid which was made before I was born.

>>59488010
Not really, but I do have a back-up of all my files from my second computer to today. Every time I get a new computer, I make a backup of the one I'm ditching and put it with the collection. Sometimes I go back and look through all the shit I had saved back in 2009 and have a good chuckle. I would have back to my first, so shit around 2006, but my retarded little sister took it to her friend's yard-sale and pawned it off for $50 while I was off at college.

>>59490526
>Kids like to watch TV and movies.
There are new ones.
>I watched plenty of shit when I was a kid which was made before I was born.
What you watched and know are preserved only because they are "classics", and there are a million lost shit that you'll never watch because they're not classics. Classics will always be preserved on the internet. "Father's favourite shitty shows" won't be on junior's watch list.

>>59490498
Not my kids, but friends or other people with the same nostalgia.

>>59490634
sure thing MGTOW

>>59488010
I've collected years of music and video but then I realize, "no one is going to care about any of this shit in 50 yrs, nevermind 300. Why keep it?" Thinking of wiping all of it. Just have nothing but my own experiences in my head."

>>59488010
Yes, it's a horrible habit of mine. I hoard tabs, bookmarks, pdf files, music, movies. I save threads sometimes, and save images I like.

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Just music. Never bothered with anything else.

>>59490720
Oh cool

>>59490720
absolutely horrible taste

>>59490493
No, tar was originally designed to read/write directly to the tape. Instead of a filename you pass it the block device, like /dev/sa0.

>>59490812

Uhh sweetie, I'm sorry you can't appreciate Veggietales. You have so little taste you could chew lemons on the daily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltG37Bbx1qk

What is the best way to hoard stuff?

>>59488470
>I have fancied getting a blue ray drive for this very reason but the good discs + the good drives cost way too much.
What do you mean they cost too much? The drives don't cost more than $50, do they? I know discs from Verbatim cost less per GB than HGST hard drives.

>Ive also looked into tape drives but I feel Ill do something stupid like by the wrong type, shit brand, or store them wrong.
The fuck? Tape backup is a ton more expensive than blurays unless you're storing a metric fuckton of data.

I've always wondered but never got around to asking. How often do you find yourself needing to replace hard drives in a NAS due to failure and how much reoccurring costs do you end up with from that? Say I have a NAS with 4 hard drives. I've thought about building a NAS but it could get expensive if replacing $100+ hard drives that would be out of warranty after a couple years.

>>59490959
>>59490959
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Dell-PowerVault-MD1000-Storage-SAS-inkl-HDD-Rahmen-2x-PSU-2x-AMP01-RSIM-/262887893357?hash=item3d3556e96d%3Ag%3AedgAAOSwax5YwY2H
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https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST32000644NS-Enterprise-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B01FJ1YGJK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1489995486&sr=8-2&keywords=2tb+sata+II+drive

by far the cheapest way to hord data

>>59488010
>come to me first when they look for something specific after trying to google it
Put it on a google.
You know there is a problem when you have specific files on your PC that can't be googled, people gotta share everything somehow to keep information alive.

>>59491406
1073€ for 30TB

>>59491041
I would have to look it up again, but the blue ray discs that have a capacity of 50gb require a certain rating of blue ray burner.
blue ray is still in the state where they are selling blue ray players that arnt burners for anything other than dvd or cd.

>tape is more expensive
I know it is, thats why I didn't impulse buy them.
Also I have stuff like 1tb of xbox isos that are not emulatable yet and I dont really want them wasting drive space for 10 years. Also have a few hundred gb of movies (many more hundreds of gigs of movies to come) and hundreds of gb of other stuff that I wont want to access for years to come.
I have no clue what is more reliable for long term storage, tape or just throwing an hdd in a drawer.

>>59488030
Damn I remember we had an ftp server with a bunch of programming ebooks some years ago. What happened?

How to make data last?

Is burning files to DVD the best way to go?

>>59488010
Share you homo

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>>59489378
>2017
>Not having unlimited data
Why?

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>>59491406
way ahead of you anon

Do you guys fill up your hard drives to a certain point, and leave some extra room, or do you just fill it up as much as you can?

>>59492408
does anyone still burn dvd's?

>>59492508
>2010+7
>Not partitioning the hard drive

>>59490292
>130GB
What is that, like 7 floppies worth.

I hoard porn. Mostly JAV and doujinshi. I'm at 10TB now.

>>59488010
Yes, but I'm very shit at organizing them, I like to collect educational PDF's and links and such, but I am having a hard time organizing them.

can someone tellme differences between "internal" harddisk and "external"? If I want to store lots of data (>4tb) which ones should I buy?

>>59488130
What's the most reliable HDD?
also, are SSD's more reliable?

>>59493680
Thats my boy

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>>59493680
>jjav
thats the shit that just takes up the most space here aswell.

is it possible to just pay monthly to some server space for 50TB of space? how would the connection latency be? could i torrent with VM connected to server or could i send big files to the server. how fast would the connection be tho?

>>59493832
Renting 50TB would be pretty expensive.

>>59489362
Yet there is still no real viable alternative to active directory.

Not that NEETs would know what enterprise features are, or anything about life out of the basement.

>>59488010
I'm a data anti-hoarder, constantly deleting things to start fresh. For some reason "new" things feel more "pure" to me and "old" files feel "dirty".

>>59493959
it goes both ways, started like this but was actually just a matters of time until you forgot to delete a few things and it will all change.

>>59493716
HGST HDDs are the best available but are a bit expensive.

>>59493593
>not using windows remote desktop

Any pros of using internal HDD over external?

>>59494102
In my experience internal PSUs are better on HDDs.

>>59492508
>way ahead you
is kinda right because I dont own that build but price/TB is hard to beat see >>59491957

how mich raw storage do you have also what RAID do you use?

>>59488010
I have 130TB in raw storage in my file server.

>>59488010
>patches for things like old video games

Do you have the no-cd crack for 1.07 D2?

Does anyone else archive digital artwork? I meticulously date the filenames from when the piece was first posted/created, using the format YYYY-MM-DD-artist_name-subject-title.png

>>59488010

>Then why are you bringing up LTFS? If you're archiving shit you dont need a real file system.

Sysadmin here. Even if using tapes for non archival purposes, LTFS sucks. For files under a few gig, it's nightmare territory, casing a lot of unnecessary pass on the tape. Good old fashioned tar is better in nearly every case.

>>59493593
Are you stupid? Partitioning is so 10 years ago.

>>59489979
ZFS is only a RAM hog if you go for the dedupe route. Otherwise it's just slightly more than equivalent software RAID+modern filesystem.

>>59490493
The software you're thinking of is to tell the drive to load a tape, set the speed, and other options. When it comes to the data part, you just open the device and write.

>>59493716
Google for Backblaze quarterly hard drive report. I forget the exact title, but that will get you choose enough.
Every quarter, Backblaze publishes the stats on the drives in their systems. And they have tons.

>>59493861
This emphatically.

Also.... having source somehow makes the software better because they "can" fix issues, find issues or even add new features.... though like 0.000001% of them actually do.

All I hear from them is "Muh Freedoms" like some fat, stupid cow. (but then again, not far from the truth).

Windows makes the world go wrong.

>>59490292
From 2012...

That's adorable.

I have files that are older than you probably.

>>59490720

>2 BAD MICE

dude respect

>>59495623
yeah, HGST > Seagate > WD > Toshiba.

Don't buy shitty WD drives.

>>59488010
Archive.org man! You're not a border you're an archivist!

>>59488231
Tape rot no bueno. I have a nas, and thanks to cheap storage, a few encrypted offline copies on disk. Because tape drives that are worth a damn are targeted at businesses with deep pockets.

>>59494102
External HDDs vibrate more on average.
They stop/start CONSIDERABLY more on average.
Both of these alone massively increase the death time of the drive

The electronics to bridge to USB is also usually cheaply made and easily breaks, rendering your external useless unless you rip the horrific plastic prison off it, cutting your fingers in several places in the process, and using it as internal.

And even then, doing that will probably net you a still quite quick death anyway because a lot of externals are lesser internals that never passed QI.

This applies to custom USB interfaces being used on internal drives regularly. Just don't do it unless you absolutely need to.

>>59495687
Truth

>>59495869

What a bullshit.

I have a MAXTOR D3 STATION manufactured by Seagate.

It has a BETTER, 2 platter version of ST2000DM001 with firmware CC46.

It just lies on my desk and nothing bad happens. I turned off the APM completely so it doesn't park. It is basically an internal drive connected with a USB to my laptop.

>>59495926
Congrats, you got a not entirely fucked up drive.
You are a minority.
I've never known a single person to have an external last more than 5 years.
Most averaged under 3.

And yes, that was people that sat them on a table and never touched them.

>>59495652
>>Windows makes the world go wrong.
you accidentally said something correct

>>59488045
You know some people collect things cause it's FUN, you autist.

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>>59488010
Yes and i need help my laptop has a 1tb and a 1tb hdd also a 500 GB m.2

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I guess

I shoot a few photos in raw, I keep them all. I always need more storage.

Server is a HP Micro

>>59496138
>>>59488010 (OP)
>Yes and i need help my laptop has a 1tb and a 1tb hdd also a 500 GB m.2
Forgot to say i have 7 drives on me

People who use ZFS on cheap consumer drives: How often do you scrub?

>>59488010
>mfw i was this close to saving this thread
fuck

>>59488010
Fugg dat. I nuke my installs every 30 days.

>>59495559
Performance is terrible if you don't follow the 1GB per TB rule. I've gone that route.

>>59497567
Depends on your standards for performance. If your performance requirements, like those of many hobbyists, boil down to "sequential transfers should be able to saturate gigabit ethernet" (which is incredibly undemanding by the standards of 'enterprise' stuff) then ZFS can survive with surprisingly little RAM.

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I have 5 external 4tb in a bin under my bed filled to the brim with shit and I have literally never taken them out once they went in. Then I just buy a new one and fill that up. This is in addition to the four internal 4tb HDDs I have in my PC and four 1tb externals hooked up by USB

I don't understand how people get buy with one hard drive unless you have literally zero hobbies and just browse BuzzFeed all day or some shit

>>59497624
I had a 10x 1TB Z2 Raid with 4GB of ram and couldn't even stream a Blu-ray with it once it hit over 50% capacity.

>>59497674
Oh and I when I added another 4GB stick it still wouldn't saturate 1GbE. Averaged 25-40mbps.

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>>59488045
>t. projecting fedora tipper

now fuck off while i enjoy my database of rare content

>>59488045
>Wow so deep and enlightening
I don't expect a nihilist to understand the value behind doing anything honestly

Why post if the thread is going to expire.

Neck yourself

>>59497674
>>59497707
I have a 10x3TB array that's about 80% full, it performs fine, even limited to 4GB of RAM. I'm using mirrors though, not pairity RAID.

tell me anons, what can i do to compress my files as much as possible, i'm running out of space and it'll take a while before i can buy a new external hard drive

>>59498135
Sit down and organize. Delete things you don't foresee yourself using anytime soon, or delete thing that aren't archival quality (e.g. mp3s, non-transparent video encodes, etc.)

>>59498135
depends on what those files consist of. Usually the things that take up the most space - music and video - are essentially incompressible. (they've already been compressed, basically)

It's like the slower it downloads the more precious the data becomes. If you download with 100MB/s, having 10 TB of stuff isn't that impressive and it doesn't have that charm to it.

>>59489139
What would you do if you lost all of that?

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do I have a problem?

>>59488456
Idiotic table, i don't know why it's floating around.
Samsungs were brilliant drives and with a 3-year warranty.

>>59498454
Depends on what you store

post the ayy lmao selfie neet

>>59493959
yea, just wait untill you keep going to look for files/ a video/ info/ tutorials or some other shit you could always find... and its literally be erased from the internet. gone forever.

I archive ANYTHING I might want in the future.

>>59490720
>Sex Pistols
>Gong
>Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus
>Dizzee Rascal
>Absurd
>Die Antwoord
>The Clash

"I listen to everything" starter kit
Had fun looking at everything

>>59493716
its a tough call really. ssds are retardedly expensive (even though they are cheaper now).
ssds come with in mlc, tlc, and other types of memory chips. mlc is "the good stuff", lasts alot longer, but is alot more expensive. Its sorta hard to find. tlc is what is being used in errythang, cheap as fuck, and will last long enough for a typical consumer to blow though a laptop and buy a new one.
I use ssds for my operating system and for files Im immediately working with (stuff like installing windows inside of a vm) and then when Im done with the heavy work I transfer it to hhds that are in raid 1 (a couple other raids are better but require more drives)

oh and also from what I hear, (some times) ssds will fail in a way where you can read your data still. BUT other times they dont fail that way and you get extra fucked.

>tldr: ssds for os, hdds in raid for storage

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I used to be a data hoarder but then I wanted to be a minimalist, mostly because I could sense one of my HDDs was on its last legs and realized I didn't want to deal with the regular expense of always swapping or adding new HDDs moving forward.

So I've taken the archivist approach. Archives cost resources to maintain and attempting to save everything can be inefficient, unfeasible, and sometimes impossible therefore we have to perform selection. Archives are also meant to be used/accessed regularly and so I've pretty much weeded everything that I knew I wasn't going to use or I knew would always be easily available on the internet.

Deleted all my discographies and kept only the tracks I like as well as rare/foreign/indie/local albums. Converted all the lossless audio to 320kbps mp3.
Only downloading movies if I intended to watch them then deleting after.
Stopped downloading porn and relying only on streaming sites.
Kept only the ebooks that actually interest me; I was very liberal with this and saved even those I thought I had a low chance of getting around to read because they didn't take up much space.
Delete ISOs of games after installing them. Then uninstalling after finishing the single player campaign or getting my replay fill.
I still have every photo I've ever saved except for thread dumps which I combed for gems.

I started a few years ago and I'm actually still in the process of selecting from the old archive but from 2TB, I'm already down to around 50GB.

>>59493716
Assume all HDDs (in fact, all storage devices) are unreliable and will only last until the warranty expires and budget accordingly. Expect some of them to fail before then so keep your receipts and avail of those warranties. The only way to prevent permanent data loss is with backups and redundancy.

>>59488010
Meeting too it runs in the family for me.

I am, sort of.

>>59488487
He doesn't know about Zip Disquettes

>>59499783
*Me

>tfw have 8 Tb + 4 TB + 2 TB of chaturbate recordings
I use blurays to backup recordings for models I like the most
it will be fun to look back one day and realize I have hundreds of hours of a person being nude or masturbating

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> 2017
> Not using multiple encrypted GDrive Unlimited Accounts

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>>59499953
weirdo

>>59493959
just use tails os already

>>59488010
Not that bad, but I prefer downloading porn for some reason so right now I have about 7 terabytes of it, in part because JAVs are all high quality and I can never find split scenes.

Thinking of grabbing another 2 terabyte internal drive. Saw those Seagate Barracudas are on sale for 60 bucks right now. Any good? Newegg reviews make it sound like there's a fifty percent chance it'll be doa.

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>>59488501
>gwmi is not powershell specific

PS is the new Windows Shell, CMD is dead - deal with it

>>59500261
Well the problem with buyer reviews in general is that a lot of people who buy the product and have it work as intended never bother to review it. "It's a hard drive it works, what's there to say?", they think. The ones who go off and post reviews are more likely to be the ones that had a bad experience that's given them an axe to grind.

hence why on some things you'll see "manufacturer response" posts to every single negative review, and why some places really badger you to post ratings and reviews

>>59490432
I have a FreeNAS instance that I backup all of my shit to along with an external SSD for important stuff.

I use backblaze too.

Don't fucking judge me anon

>>59489206
How's that r810 to work with, never used one

I used t have about 8TB of junk, then I went and KonMari'd it and found out that I only had about 2GB of things that I like.

>>59490720
create a torrent of it