Switch confirmed as a re-branded nvidia tablet. AYYYYYYYYYY

Welcome to last month, retard.

We've known this since about a week after the initial switch reveal.

>/v/tard still salty that a handheld is selling better than his console.

>>59480238
>>59480430
>>59480469
Assumptions are not facts.

>>59480223
>>59480430
>>59480813
Charlie on S|A confirmed this a very long time ago.
Its not new information.

>>59480859
No he didn't.

>>59480223
:D
tegra x1 is a pretty cool chip.
I'm kinda stoked by this. Im just waiting for someone to dump an img of the /dev/sda so I can download it.

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>>59480223
Nintendo buying failed products, thank God they have good games. It's the only reason their still in the "game"

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>ITS OKAY THAT NINTENDO LIED TO US!
>THE CUSTOM PART IS IN THE SOFTWARE!
>NO IM NOT CRYING!

>>59480963
>their
>using shitty snibshad picture for attention
KYS

>>59480963
Nintendo have always been the biggest Jews in the vidya industry, buying the cheapest shit possible. It's why they've historically been able to sell their consoles for so cheap and still make a profit. This time they've gone a bit too far, the Shield tablet is only $200, I don't see what Nintendo is offering that makes their rebranded Shield worth $300.

an x1 is fast as fuck tho

a handheld pixel c is kinda an ideal setup

>>59481412
For 2005 maybe.

show me a 250$ 7 inch tablet that plays Zelda and Splatoon and I'll buy it

>>59481636
manchild
Also
>what is qemu

>>59481664
>not enjoying the sense of wonder and discovery from exploring new and fantastic worlds
faggot
>cemu
not portable

>>59481711
Holy shit, are you even 18?

>>59481664
>calls others manchilds
>uses name and trip on anonymous board
>being this desperate for attention

>>59480813
>>59480223
NVIDIA already released that Info when the Switch was announced.

>>59481566
uh, no? there's nothing faster on the market. apple's fastest gpu is a hair slower.

>>59481829
>no they didn't

they said it was a custom tegra on their best desktop architecture and that they spent 500 man years creating this shit

turns out all those 500 years went towards software, arch not being their best but instead maxwell and that there's nothing custom about it other than it being gimped

>>59481829
No they didn't.

>>59481566
>>59481907
He is not wrong, you know. It IS fast for 2005.

>>59481743
>tripfag acting superior to people enjoying themselves
>being so desperate for attention you try to distract from being proven wrong by latching on to a completely wholesome desire and pretending like it's infantile
Sad! I hope you one day realize how pathetic you really are.

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>>59480223
>a re-branded nvidia tablet.

You are fake news. Nvidia shield tablets use the Tegra K1. The Switch uses the Tegra X1, which is also found in the Nvidia shield TV home console.

>>59481138
Biggest Jews in the industry
LMFAO, I see it now!

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>>59482406
The nintendo gender switch pretty much has the same performance as the novidya K1 so....

>>59481913
The 500 man years refers to the design of the Pascal architecture and probably includes design of the previous architectures that led to Pascal. Jen-Hsun Huang used the exact same line during the 1080 Ti press event, so it's unclear what Nvidia is actually talking about.

Best to ignore whatever they say about 500 years or whatever.

>>59482441
>The nintendo gender switch pretty much has the same performance as the novidya K1 so....
Untrue, tripfag.
>K1: 28nm, X1: 20nm
>K1: 192 cuda cores, X1: 256 cuda cores
>K1: 19GB/s bandwidth, X1: 25GB/s bandwidth

The K1's CPU is also a clusterfuck of some 64 bit cores, some 32 bit cores from a Galaxy S4, with a binary translation layer in software.

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>>59481907
>can barely run a empty game with 2004 graphics at 25fps
>ITS THE MOST POWERFUL CHIP ANON! NINTENDO TOLD ME!
>NO IM NOT CRYING!

>>59482419
Gas subhuman gentiles.

>>59482568
it doesn't use pascal

>>59482632
K1 runs faster

the X1 in the switch runs at 1/3rd the clock when handheld and 2/3 when docked

>>59480955
https://techspecs.blog/blog/2017/3/1/the-nintendo-switch

>Less known to many is that the original X1 shipped in a rather sad state. NVIDIA failed to make a working interconnect, and ended up shipping broken silicon. The end result was that the four LITTLE CPUs had to be disabled, so only the four big CPUs were actually active in the original SHIELD TV and Google's Pixel C. This did not stop NVIDIA from advertising eight functional CPU cores, however.

> I was wrong: the A53s are still there, and the logic is still broken. Unbelievable.

>>59481060
The chip has custom code printed on the top instead of the stock type that is used in Shield.

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n-no! its custom! its the m-most powerful portable console ever! the ps4 l-launched at a much higher p-price! w-wahoo!

I don't care about consoles but the X1 is a amazing chip, pretty must the best performner on the market

>>59482731
Just incorrect. Switch's X1 runs at 384MHz docked and 921MHz when docked. For comparison, the Shield TV home console boosts to 1000MHz, but the Pixel C tablet's X1 only hits 850MHz.

92% is not 2/3, baka anon-kun.

>>59482855
*384MHz undocked

>>59480223
Why Nvidia makes shitty chips to consoles? They did the PS3 gpu wich used old technology (X360 get into the Unified Shaders while PS3 used stationary separeted pixel and vertex shader) Now they give nintendo a X1, probably wanted lot of money on the X2 and Nintendo is always cheap af.

Snapdragon 820 matches Tegra X1 graphical performance and wrecks it in CPU performance, and 820 is a smartphone chip used in 200$ chinkphones.

>>59482963
But who will use a videogame console for browsing?

>>59482855
307.2/384/768MHz

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>>59482963
yeah no not even close. sd820 loses badly to an apple a9. x1 is faster than a9x, let alone a9. switch is fast as fuck.

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>>59483466
*in graphics i mean

It's just like everyone in the industry has said. You look at the hardware and you say "Man I don't know..." then you start playing Nintendo's games and you just forget about all that shit.

I know that's heresy to say on /g/ but then again why does /g/ care about this rinky dink little handheld-that-pretends-to-be-a-console anyway?

switch also runs ue4 games at 60 fps

the developers of ue4 said it only runs on next gen hardware and they specifically mentioned the wii u was too slow to run it.

switch is far more capable than given credit for

>>59483533
I know you buy Nintendo hardware for the game nowadays, not the hardware, but the Switch is a hard pill to swallow. $300+, barely stronger than a WiiU, no backwards compatibility and paid online. Sure the Wii was weak, but it was backwards compatible with the Gamecube and came with a bundled game, WiiSports. They actually have the gall to charge for 1, 2 Switch, this console's tech demo. Nintendo just went full jew this time and it's turned me off from buying the system.

>>59483569
switch takes a massive shit on wii u performance wise. pls stop repeating retard tier /v/ memes here.

>>59482441
>gender switch
>novidya
Just kill yourself

>>59483569
It's the same old loop. Everyone would love for Nintendo to find success putting all their games onto the PC and selling a pro controller, but then the truth comes crashing down that Nintendo is able to fund their impressive software through the income their hardware generates. Sega used to be the exact same way, and look what happened to their software the moment they went third party. A game like Breath of the Wild would never come to fruition from a third party Nintendo. And there's no way they'd be developing ARMS, Mario Odyssey, and Splatoon 2 and Xenoblade 2 alongside that. It'd be 2 of those games at most, drop all the others.

It's a sad state of affairs because if Nintendo could put out both amazing hardware and software the rest of the industry besides PC would be a fucking joke. The Nintendo + PC meme would be undisputable. Instead you have everyone standing around kicking their feet wondering "how much is too much?"

>>59482851
Too bad it can't run wiiu games 720p@24fps

>>59483533
>then you start playing Nintendo's games and you just forget about all that shit.
You forget about the chip and you realize that everygame runs sub 30fps with less than HD resolution.

>>59483820
>less than HD resolution
I thought the Switch did 1280x720

>>59483561
not necessarily, switch supports modern APIs so having unreal work on it should be easier

>>59484195
no the dev of ue4 specifically stated ue4 needs next gen hardware at a minimum. easier or not, ue4 demands faster hardware. so no ps3, no x360, no wiiu but switch yes.

>>59484338
yeah because next gen hardware means proper API support

>>59483597
by being slower than wii u?

>>59484338
>ue4 needs next gen hardware at a minimum

That's a meaningless marketing term. UE4 can be made to run on almost any PC, the AMD SoCs microsoft and Sony use, and now even Nintendo's new ARM64 CPU + Nvidia GPU combo.

>nintendo fell for the nvidia meme
>bought old chips
>bought shit teir mobile chips
I am surprised these things don't catch fire with nvidias reputation.

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>>59484828
>a while ago at Nintendo HQ
>engineers discussing which components to use
>"looks like our competition is using AMD SoC's for laptops"
>"let's get ahead of them and use a phone/tablet SoC"
>everyone nodded

>>59484502
Fast RMX and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe both prove that's not true, and it runs zelda better

Seriously, why the fuck is console war bullshit moving to /g/ though

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No guys, we can't remove RX 480 and GTX fanboy threads! Those gamer graphics cards threads are /g/ culture!

It won't cause any gamer retards shitposting in the future!

>2017
>buying consoles
If anything I'm glad that nintendo did this. Emulating the switch will be even faster. One year from now, PCs will probably be playing all switch games and making them look better too kek.

>>59480813
>muh unique special snowflake Nintentard dreams!
it also runs freebsd like any generic computer too

>>59483533
We wouldn't have said anything but the /v/ Nintentards have to come in here and spout their bullshit, which of course invites correction because autism.

>>59484828
>>bought old chips
>>bought shit teir mobile chips

tegra x1 and x2 are still the best SoC on the market in terms of graphics performance, so they're pretty far from shit tier. you can't get anything better currently.

>>59486626
>garbage CPU
>uses millions of watts

Anything using newer PowerVR and some A73 cores would be miles better.
More efficient too.

>>59481907
You do know that Apple always uses shit GPUs right? most of their overpriced laptops have shitty 1.2 GHz dual core GPUs

>>59486644

'muh efficiency' is a meaningless metric in this case. no competing solution delivers the same graphics performance as the gpu in the tegra x1, and nintendo clearly chose that over trying to get the best perf/w.

It's not a rebrand...it doesn't have the full features of the nvidea shield.

The switch is way less versatile than a tablet.

If only we could have had a tetra x1 tablet...

>>59486711
>meaningless
>switch lasts for an hour at 20% brightness while gaming
>probably not even 40 minutes outside


Yeah, enjoy your PS2 tier graphics, I guess you don't care much about that when you only get to see them for 30 minutes every day since it takes 3 hours to charge the damn thing

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From a technology and financial standpoint, why on earth did Nintendo make this abomination of a "console"? Technology wise, the switch is a lack luster product all around. Terrible screen and build quality. Terrible battery life. Terrible performance unless you're docked in "console" mode. Docking the console repeatedly tends to scratch the screen and the docking station/port is so flimsy I'm surprised there aren't wide spread complaints already about them breaking.

All for what? Yet another retarded Nintendo gimmick. What happened to Nintendo making a plain old console with no gimmick? The N64 was great. The GameCube (barring it's tiny discs to avoid paying royalties) was amazing as well. Why did they start just relying on stupid shit to sell their console? They could have even stuck with the exact same garbage Nvidia chip if they really wanted to, but just made the console a standard unit like Xbox and PlayStation have been doing forever.
>Inb4 /v/

Just blows my mind how incompetent a company can be.

>>59486685
>overpriced
They're expensive. The high dollar they fetch even used, compared to any other laptop, proves they are not overpriced.

You just can't afford them.

>>59486806
>I's underpowered shit
b-but It's a handheld
>It has shit battery life
b-but It's a home console
Really makes you think.

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>>59486903
>2k dollars
>1.2 GHz dual core processor
>128GB of disk space
>not overpriced

>>59480223
Everyone except retarded nintenyearolds knew it was a massively underclocked tegra x1 for months now.

Tegra is shit and had to be underclocked to even work in mobile and even with a >4000mAh battery, it still only lasts for like 2 hours of gameplay.

>>59487146
>sells used for much more than other laptops
>people willing to bear the market price
Yeah, not overpriced. See, my young commie friend, if something is "overpriced" then the market will not bear it. Also if Apple stuff was "overpriced" the used market would reflect this.

Laptops which are overpriced include every higher end non-Apple brand, because they lose much more value on the used market, thus showing that they keep value poorly and were indeed overpriced.

It's interesting that you can't tell the difference between "overpriced" and "expensive." Perhaps it's just sour grapes from Pajeet, who knows.

>>59480238
hey its news to me i thought it was just generic

>>59480223
Specs are completely irrelevant in video game consoles
Nintendo DS had 5MB of RAM and a fucking 57MHz CPU. Similarly PSP had 32MB of RAM and a 333MHz MIPS CPU.
What happened? Well they sold fucking great, it's the games that matter, not powerful hardware. I don't even play video games, but this fact is pretty apparent from the figures

>>59488792
So, it doesnt matter if a game runs at 20fps?

>>59488922
If a game's fun, not at all.

>>59488922
ocarina of time in gamecube is 20 fps.

>>59489458
>google Ocarina of Time framerate
>find article about how it was almost first person
>article refers to first person as "fps"

>>59489495
t. nintendofaggot not wishing to face reality

>>59489549
How fucking retarded are you?

>>59488692
>Assuming consumers are rational
It's like you managed to fail both economics AND psychology

>>59489591
I was wondering when you'd show up to vent your spleen.

Nintendards BTFO.

>>59489732
>assuming that the number of irrational consumers is enough to sustain any market
>assuming that people who pay higher dollar for a better quality computer with a better quality OS are irrational
Oh you, you're probably a libcuck/commie too, as you seem to be excited about authority even when it's irrelevant to the discussion.

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>>59486626
>you can't get anything better currently
Snapdragon 820, 821 and 835 would like a word with you.

>>59483569
It's actually like 3 times more powerful than the U.

>>59480223

I thought that was basic knowledge from the get-go. It's a Nvidia tablet with a custom OS modified from BSD, and custom controllers.

>>59481711

>Qemu
>Not portable
It is literally the most portable software emulator. It was designed to seamlessly emulate any instruction set on any other instruction set.

>>59484545
it's not a marketing term at all it's a specific point of reference. it means you can run games that run on a ps4 on a switch. it means switch is pretty damn powerful for a handheld.

>>59490433
The engine doesn't mean the games will run

Sonic Boom used Cryengine, does that mean the Wii U would play Crysis 3? Come on, man

The Tegra X1 is a very underpowered device. They have Tomb Raider 2013 running on it at 720p/30fps and that's at full clock speeds, and with HIGHLY downgraded assets. Yes, you will get a performance boost because of the more direct API, but you will also get a proportionate similar performance decline because of the 30% underclock.

The Switch would be *lucky* to run any AAA 8th gen game in 720p/30 and that's with highly degraded assets. In docked mode. We're looking at a reality that handheld mode might not even be supported because they'd have to decrease the resolution etc so severely.

This is all assuming Switch even gets AAA 3rd party support, which I find unlikely simply because it's not powerful enough to run most of the games

>>59490483
Crytek actually made a port of Crysis 3 for WiiU, but EA canned it.

>>59490536
Of course you could get anything running if you lower the resolution to 240p and decrease the tri count enough. Would it be an enjoyable experience?

>>59490372
>I thought that was basic knowledge from the get-go. It's a Nvidia tablet with a custom OS modified from BSD, and custom controllers.
Your whole statement is false and retarded, it shouldn't surprise anyone coming from a mongoloid attention whore as someone who uses a name and a trip.

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>>59490573
>lower the resolution to 240p
just like current nintendo handheld experience

>>59480223
Ok.

Let me know when I have another way to play Nintendo games. Because i'm not just going to NOT play the new mario

>>59482731
they have it purposely underclocked.

>>59483466
yeah you're right the a9 is the best chip samsung has made thus far.

>>59485286
This.

It won't be a year. But Nintendo's consistent insistence on using mediocre hardware means emulation is viable much sooner than anything else.

Better yet unlike the wiiU (how are you going to emulate games that require the controller screen thing short of buying that thing?) Most real games have standard input.

>>59490853
>Better yet unlike the wiiU (how are you going to emulate games that require the controller screen thing short of buying that thing?)

Same way we did the DS. By emulating it.

>>59480813
>HURR DURR I HAVE NO IDEA HOW POSITIONING A COMPANY AS A LUXURY BRAND WORKS HURR DURR
>IT COSTS MORE SO IT MUST BE BETTER HURR DURR
you are EXACTLY the audience applel goes for

>>59490862
That sounds horrible tb.h fa.m

I remember playing skyward sword with a standard controller map. It was fucking great until you got to a meme motion plus puzzle and had to switch to the Wii controller just for that.

>>59480223
So is Nvidia going to fab a 14nm Tegra x1?

If yes then wait for the inevitable switch "slim" or whatever.

>a console has weak hardware
WOW

still gonna buy one when pokemon comes out
i gotta catch em all, man

>>59490483
>The Tegra X1 is a very underpowered device
stop posting you clueless little twat

Could this mean that emulators will be easier to make?

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Am I missing something here? What exactly is wrong with the Switch having a Tegra X1 in it? Nvidia makes excellent graphics processors. Doesn't that mean this is a good thing?

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>>59486796

>>59480223
Wait, i though x1 wasnt released yet and the k1 is the predecessor, what am i getting wrong here?

>>59490910
I'd expect they'll make more tegra processors because this will be the only device that sells enough to make it worthwhile

>>59491093
Something something underpowered
Something something i wanted a portable PS4 that has an 8 hr battery life and costs 200$

>>59491093
It's a 2 year old phone or android tablet cpu.

>>59491217
*TV box soc

>>59491180
The Tegra 4 was used in the original Nvidia Shield Handheld.
They stopped numbering them normally afterwards.
The K1 was used in the Nvidia Shield Tablet.
The X1 was used in the Nvidia TV.

The Switch uses a lightly customized Nvidia X1, that's downclocked for presumably thermal reasons.
As far as graphics capabilities go it's still by far the strongest handheld ever made, but it's a little old by consumer tech "buy the newest every year" standards

I quite like my Switch.
It feels nice to use.
Zelda has been really fun.
I hope that it gets more games.

>>59491217
The other consoles were 2 year old PC hardware.

Imagine I've posted a cute anime girl shrugging.

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>>59491093
>What exactly is wrong with the Switch having a Tegra X1 in it?
Why not use the Tegra X2 in a new console? It has like 50% more processing power and more than double the memory bandwidth.

>>59491225
>As far as graphics capabilities go it's still by far the strongest handheld ever made,
That's a nice way of sugarcoating that it'll be the absolute worst home console of this generation despite coming out WAY after the pisspoor and exbone. Also, the Smach Z will run circles around it. Yes, a PSP wannabe cobbled together from spare parts by a bunch of Spaniards in a shed will beat the best efforts of nvidia and Nintendo.
>but it's a little old by consumer tech "buy the newest every year" standards
No, it's a little shit by consumers standards. Too slow for a console and too power hungry for a portable. You'd almost think it was an nvidia chip...

>>59480223
Don't like, don't buy. Why are people so wrapped up in consumer electronics like it's a team sport?

>>59491272
Another successful consumer purchase.
>meanwhile salty faggots whine about muh power and muh rebranded tablet
So what if it is? Nobody buys Nintendo hardware for the power. It's for the Marios and Zeldas.

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>>59491464
>Nobody buys Nintendo hardware for the power.
Or the battery life or the build quality, apparently. By any metric, the switch is not a good console except of course as a dedicated portable.

>>59491490
>Not a good console
Yeah the only reason anyone buys consoles is for the exclusive games. Don't kid yourself about the power of the hardware fo
consoles. Having a slightly more powerful potato means nothing.

If you like power build a rig. Otherwise you just eat substandard prebuilt shit from console companies.

>>59491355
Would it draw more power, though? Battery life is very important.

>tfw I already have a tegra x1 but it will never ever play nintendo games

Imagine if someone could write a compat layer for switch games to run on android/nvidia shield tv.

That would be amazing.

>>59491443
because over the last 30-40 years, nintendo, sega, sony, microsoft and others have spent billions in marketing to nurture that kind of behaviour.

>>59480813
having tegra inside is pretty much a dead giveaway lol

>>59491602
actually the x2 apparently has a lower TDP than the x1. I'd say they went with the x1 for cost or supply reasons.

Or perhaps they just didn't realise the x2 was coming and didn't want to change the soc half way through the development cycle.

>>59491602
>implying you can't throttle the x2 to the same or even lower power draw with the same or better performance than the switch has bow
>still 50+% more performance when docked
Let's face it, if it was an actually decent console on PS4/Xbox 1 level while docked people would even pay the extra price of having an x2 and the switch would have been decent. As it is right now its a piece of shit.

>>59491355

Nintendo is cheap. Nvidia probably had millions of unused X1's just sitting in a warehouse that they were going to have to scrap.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo came out with a 4k version using the X2 chip later.

>>59491728

this

>>59491490
Could that be because it's a dedicated portable that can hook up to a TV through a fucking USB dock

>>59490433
No, not at all.
You dont see ps4 games on smartphones running either although they support ue4.

>>59491185
Well naturally they'll have to keep pumping them out as they have a contract with Nintendo.

The question is will Nintendo pull a "new 3ds" switch deal with an x2 or will Nvidia just keep pumping out 20nm horrors for them.

>>59491602

>Battery life is very important.

clearly not an important consideration when making the switch

>>59482855
CPU runs at 1GHz while on the in the Shield TV it runs at 2GHz, that is a 50% decrease in speed.

>>59491602
up to 2x efficiency at same performance

at same consumption up to 2x performance, 1.5x in practice

>>59493719
Actually, the Nintendo Switch runs at ~325 mhz when undocked and ~750mhz when docked. The part has a default clock of 1ghz but for thermal reasons nintendo is downclocking it in both cases.

>>59491924
But it's not a dedicated portable either, the battery life is too bad for that.

>>59489805
Hey fuckface, I never said anything positive about Nintendo. You just started calling me a Nintendofaggot out of nowhere.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=UtyaGppWknE

>>59494961
>/edit?
redditors will give you far more views, you fucking newfag

>>59494220
That battery life that's equivalent to the Vita and 3DS sure is awful

>>59492791
Yes, completely.

The ue4 smartphone games I've seen are quite visually impressive like protostar and do not run on all smartphones. In fact I guarantee any one of these games has visual effects on par with ps4: https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Category:Games

>>59483820

bingo, we have a winner. Nintendo games are why nobody cared about such grpahics failures as the Atari Lynx and Sega Game Gear.

Didn't Sega Saturn/CD have better specs than the SNES? I can't remember becuase those were failures too.

>>59489805

people sure are passionate about nintendo

>>59495384
>In fact I guarantee any one of these games has visual effects on par with ps4
*well not any one but there several that do
and tegra x1's gpu is a fuckload faster than most smartphones so it can easily run the more graphically impressive ue4 smartphone games

>>59490582
The whole statement is correct though.

Why are Nintentards so delusional?

>>59491053
>bog standard phone / tablet platform
I can't see it being difficult.