>I'm a cop who has seen child molesters walk free because

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>>59454547
>I'm a cop
Aaaand stopped right there.

>>59454547
Misuse is not an argument against it's proper use.

No child molester has ever been close to being sentenced and walked because of good encryption. If you're caught for kiddy-diddling, you've already either been caught in the act or someone found shit on your computer, at which point encryption won't help at all.

>>59454547
Nice try to appeal to emotion, CIA. But nobody respectable like a police officer would ever come here. Anyone claiming to be in a honorable position like a cop is lying.

>>59454547
No, you've seen people who have had unprovable allegations against them walk free.

>>59454547
Freedom aint free, bad things are going to happen. Misusing something for an illegal purpose shouldn't be a free pass to ban something.

>>59454618
>>59454589
He's not pretending to be a cop on /g/ you utter retards. It's a hypothetical scenario.

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>>59454547
>I'm a cop who has seen child molesters walk free because of money. Would you still support capitalism if it allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?

>>59454547
>Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?

Absolutely.

The problem is that if the good guys can break encryption, then the bad guys can too.

There is simply no way to just give the keys to the good guys without also opening it up to the bad guys.

A backdoor in encryption is always a fatal flaw. There are no exceptions -- not even theoretical exceptions.

The tech industry has urgently tried to deliver this message to the politicians for years now. Politicians will always be too stupid to understand it. So the only way forward is to simply roll out universal strong encryption for everything. It's important to use encryption for everything -- not just "sensitive" stuff -- because that way it helps reinforce the fact that people who use encryption are NOT more likely to be criminals. Of course, you and I know that -- but the politicians and the authorities are far too stupid to know that, so we need to teach them.

>>59454618
>Anyone claiming to be in a honorable position like a cop

Made me snort coffee out my nose.

That's fucking hilarious.

"a honorable position like a cop".

Comedy gold right there.

>>59454547
>MFW police use encrypted radio.Without encryption criminals would still get to walk free.

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>>59454547

Principles are things you stand by, even if it's not in your best intrest at the time.

Think bigger.

LMAO
>I'm a judge who has seen murderers walk free because of door locks. Would you still support door locks if encryption allowed someone who murdered your son/daughter to evade justice.

>>59454764
you can easily listen, just not transmit. most first responder radios function basically like a mobile voip phone at this point

>>59454764
Encryption is only for good guys. Not bad guys.

You think the Jews want you to use encryption, goy? Only they get to use it.

>>59454547
>AM I BEING DETAINED

ez

>>59454547
The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one.

>>59454547
COPS AREN'T HUMAN.

I'm a cop who's seen murderers walk free because of traffic lights. Would you still support traffic lights if your son got hit by a car while crossing the road when the light told him not to?

>>59454547
You either have to give freedom to everyone and except some people are going to misuse it or have freedom for no one and live in a fascist society.

>>59454547
Probably not. But there's a reason we don't let victims decide punishments.

>/g/
>kids
anyway if somene diddled my kids I would just kill them, I know it sounds like edge but my kids are my property and I'm the onw who's going to fuck them

>>59454857
Ancap detected.

>>59454547
>I'm encryption who has seen child molesters walk free because of cops. Would you still support your son/daughter if your son/daughter allowed someone who abused your encryption to evade justice?

>>59454793
retards will make retarded comparisons, there's no way around it

>>59454857
Yea I'm generally against the death penalty but fuck people who engage in NTR

>>59454832
>You either have to give freedom to everyone

no.

>or have freedom for no one and live in a fascist society.

This is stupid.

You get freedom to most, but not all.

>>59454882
You can't pick and choose who you give freedom of speech or privacy too. You give to everyone or take it away. If the government has the power to take away one persons rights they have the power to take away everyones rights.

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>>59454892
>You can't pick and choose who you give freedom of speech or privacy too.

Yes you can.

I can castrate rapists. I can kill murderers on the spot. I can sterilize whores.

The government should do whatever is necessary to protect the people. The Constitution or whatever is just a piece of paper. Government is just organized violence, like a gang or the toughest lions in a pride.

>>59454751
BLM please go riot somewhere else

>>59454923
that's pretty edgy anon.

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>>59454857

nice

post

spacing

fagola

>>59454942
kek

>>59454940
No, it's just nature. The Jews can to whatever they want to people. Why can't you and your people? Because the TV told you to?

>>59454923
I agree that the government is an inherently coercive organization used by one class to oppress another and that you can give freedom to certain people and not others but The government shouldn't because it will probably quickly escalate.

>>59454962
Because we can all benefit by cooperating instead of being savages forever and living in just violent anarchy.

>someone died, ban everything

>>59454547
Child molesters don't go free based on encryption. Pedophiles who have no one accusing them because they probably didn't do shit to anybody but are in possession of pornography you find obscene go free because of encryption.

>>59454942
Stop.

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>>59454547
Pedophiles breathe air
You don't want to be a pedophile, do you anon?

>>59454618
>honorable position

>>59454618
>tool of the bourgeois used solely to stop workers rebellion
>""""""""Honarable""""""

>>59454975
>The government shouldn't because it will probably quickly escalate.

Why not? Because the Jewish television told you so? Why can't your government kill illegals who rape your women? They are invaders, not citizens, and they hurt your people. They should be killed by firing squad. They have no rights in your country, so why do they even get due process?

Why? Because you've been brainwashed to follow pieces of paper instead of your survival instinct as a tribe.

>>59454547
>cop
Nice try fbi

Why don't they arrest those higher up pedos? There should be enough evidence in Wiener's laptop as life insurance.

>>59454547
>we should ban guns cause they kill people
>we should van medicine because it can be used to poison or od someone
>we should ban programming because it can result in people being hacked
>we should ban using fires because they can be used for arson and can hurt you
>we should ban water because you can drown in it

misuse isn't a reason to completely ban something you air headed shit stain

>>59454981
>Because we can all benefit by cooperating instead of being savages forever and living in just violent anarchy.

The violence is solely directed towards bad people. It has been since the dawn of man, and has only changed in the last hundred years or so.

Meanwhile, you let people take advantage of you. You can't even kill a man who killed your wife without going to jail. In a better society he would die from your bullet to his head and that would be the end of it.

Be relieved that in case SWAT appears I'll walk free because I encrypt my CP.

>>59455132
We need some sort of violence to keep society organized. But instead of fighting each other we need to organize based on class and fight the real enemy the class that steals our labor and produces artificial shortages that create most crime in the world.

>>59455124
but banning things make life safer

we banned drugs and there is no longer a drug problem

>>59455194
>Implying

>>59455186
>we need to organize based on class and fight the real enemy the class that steals our labor and produces artificial shortages that create most crime in the world.

You mean the Jew that tells you to vote for globalism? When are you going to do it?

>>59454942
on point

>>59455204
Globalism is just the natural state of capitalism. Capitalism is also what gives the jews power. We need to organize the working class world wide to overthrow the capitalist class and our current political elite.

>>59454751
>>59455080
>>59455091
Go be niggers somewhere else

>>59455091
Fucking communists

>>59454547
Then FIND SOME EVIDENCE YOU LAZY BASTARD. I don't like fucking pedos as much as you, but I also hate lazy ass back woods cops who put innocent people away.

>>59455091
Ah yes, the so called ''''''''''''''''''workers''''''''' rebellion'''''''''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/06/brazil-police-strike-crimewave-troops-espirito-santo

>>59454547
I'd still support encryption as there are ways to incriminate someone based on real-world evidence. Encryption is not bad or even at fault.

>>59454547
I would say, sorry, but I don't have any children, and encryption doesn't stop pedos from diddling kids.
My rights will not be infringed.

>>59455253
They live in capitalism. Of course they are going to just go around and loot stuff. A workers revolution can only happen when the workers are class conscious.

>>59455091
You filthy commie.
>>59455194
?
>>59455220
>its another commie tries to blend in episode
Fuck off, this is a libertarian right board.

>>59455232
>>59455253
This. That's not to say there aren't rotten, corrupt, abusive, or rouge cops out there, but most of them are decent people and to say all are bad is niggerish.

>>59455290
I'm an anarcho-syndicalist.

>>59454547
>Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?
Yes

>>59454618
>honorable position

>>59455295
The state and the forces they control are tools of the ruling class. The current ruling class is capitalist. The state does nothing but follow the interests of the capitalist class.

>>59455296
>red and black flag
>workers revolution
Sounds like a commie to me.

>>59455220
>We need to organize the working class world wide to overthrow the capitalist class

Jewish Communism to fight Jewish Capitalism. Hmmm I wonder what will happen.

Gee I wonder if we were actually mean to fight endlessly on these two sides like this without actually getting anywhere.

>>59455296
Become an ancap, you get the dankest memes

>>59455330
Then abolish the state.
Capitalism did nothing wrong.

>>59454547
They should just change the law that they are allowed to use super computers to crack the encryption.

If Al Capone had 1 million in gold in a safe, and they had a court warrant to open the safe, do you think they would just give up because the safe is made of metal? No, they'd get the biggest tools, and hire a team to do whatever it takes to crack the safe open.

It's a much smarter move than making owning a safe illegal, because many people have legitimate reasons for owning and using a safe, such as gun owners.

>>59455333
I support workers take over of all industry and the abolition of the state not the take over of the state by the working class and nationalization of all industry.

>>59455330
>The state does nothing but follow the interests of the capitalist class.

You people sound so ignorant every time you open your traps. You're too dumb to manage an economy.

>>59455346
>>59455345
You can't abolish the state in a society with class conflict. The capitalist would just form a new state to protect their property.

>>59455355
That's crypto marxism and that's not any better.
You need a helicopter ride.

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>>59455355
Well, you have a very common viewpoint then, nothing unique about you, just like having an asshole doesn't make you unique as a person.

>>59455336
I support anarchism an Ideology made by Mikhail Bakunin. You know the guy who said the whole "Marx is a jew and is..." Quote.

>>59455347
>gun owners
No reason anyone needs a gun in 2017 anyways

>>59455389
Everyone needs a gun until all marxists are dead and buried.

>>59455368
I would form my own state on my property and throw a grenade into any home that violates my NAP too annex it.

>>59455368
>implying
No one cares about class except you commie faggots.
Literally no one.
Private property rights are the backbone of prosperity and liberty.
Fuck off.

>>59455379
>Poor people will move into your house.

There a 22 empty houses for every homeless person.

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>>59455400
And yet socialism caused it.

>>59455389
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN

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>>59454547
>>Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?
>someone who abused your son/daughter
>evade justice
logical fallacy. molester gets what she deserves. case closed.

>>59455396
Private property is theft from the commons which was the natural order of things in tribal society and in peasant communes. The rich need to protect their property somehow so they would either create a private state or just a normal state.

>>59455368
"class" is a myth.

In america, 90% of people below the poverty line are middle class after 20 years of working.

The other 10% never got a job, they are your gangs, hoods, and other "trappers".

>>59455389
SHALL

>>59454547
i would kill them myself

>>59455409
We live in capitalism.

>>59455425
>private property is theft
When will this meme die?
You just want shit that isn't yours.
Get a fucking job.

>>59455389
>No reason anyone needs a gun in 2017 anyways

Communist detected. Kys.

Capitalism has proven to work despite all the crony capitalism.

>>59455427
Class as I define it is based on your relationship to the means of production. If you own the means of production your a bourgeois. If you work your a proletariat.

>>59455435
That's where you're wrong kiddo.

America has been more and more socialist since the 1930s when the New Deal came out. What do you think the new deal was? Socialist policies.

The only reason america hasn't crashed is because the capitalism it's based on is so strong it can survive, and even grow under the burden of socialism. Imagine the prosperity if all of this crap were repealed. The only poor people would be those who didn't want to work. Everyone who wants to work would be able to find a well paying job. There would be no inflation, so a dollar would buy you a weeks worth of groceries like it used to. Fiat Currency wouldn't have to be a thing.

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>>59455444

>>59455464
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these

We live in capitalism with a human face.

>>59455467
>implying commies didn't disarm the populace
topkek

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>>59455456
nobody cares about your high school level vocabulary or "critical analysis".

The truth is very rarely complicated, it's only trying to evade the truth that gets complicated. Your mental gymnastics are never going to accomplish prosperity

>>59455485
Stalinist's enjoy disarming the populace. Everyone hates them.

>59455285
(You)

>>59455486
It isn't complicated. There are two classes. If you own a company your one class if you don't your the other.

The arguments against marxism are way better than the arguments for marxism.

"Marxists" have never heard the counter arguments, and how elegant yet sophisticated they are. A conservative, lassie faire free market is truly the highest plane of thought reserved for the most intellectually refined.

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>>59455449
>Capitalism has proven to work despite all the crony capitalism.

Yes but it is not without its flaws.

The Jew has successfully split economics into 2 spheres of thought so we can fight each other.

If we simply used the best parts of both and none of the bad parts of both, like Hitler did with National Socialism, we would be a lot better off, but of course you have retarded libertarians, ancaps and conservatives on one side championing Capitalism and shitlibs, Marxists and green party championing Communism.

The fight never ends...just as the Jew has planned.

>>59455524
>green party
>communist
Wat.

Feels nice to live in a country where the government is not actively trying to know every single detail of my day-to-day life

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>>59455518
>lassie
thanks safari

laisser-faire

>>59454547
>I'm a cop who has seen child molesters walk free because of encryption. Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?

Yes. Do you support the right to remain silent? If not, get out of my country.

>>59454547
1. I don't have kids
2. I would take matters into own hands before stepping up to law enforcement
3. There are legit uses for encryption too

>>59455501
>>59455506
Every single commie leader that I am aware of disarmed the population.
>>59455517
That's the stupidest way of looking at the economy desu.
>>59455524
I hate the Jews too, but National Socialism has a fatal flaw, you need a leader that can't be subverted. They will never let that happen again. Anarcho Capitalism is the best way to ensure freedom from the Jew. Physically remove the Jews.

>>59455556
What if you removed the jews and had national socialism.

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>>59455518
>A conservative, laissez-faire free market is truly the highest plane of thought reserved for the most intellectually refined.


This.

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>>59455518
>A conservative, lassie faire free market is truly the highest plane of thought reserved for the most intellectually refined.

You took the Jew's bait. Hook line and sinker.

>>59454618
great bait

cops are probably the only people scummier than the people on this site

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>>59455556
Heres a bunch of times they didn't and socialism worked perfectly fine.

>>59455572
State control.
Power cannot be trusted to a select few.
How do you think the Jews have power?

Your national socialist government, at any time, could turn on you, and you will have let it happen.

>>59454547
If you're a cop how have you not fucking killed yourself?

What's it like knowing your life amounts to fucking nothing? Enjoy enforcing a broken system of laws, maybe youll catch a few people speeding or using drugs. What a pathetic waste of a life

>>59455593
What is the people controlled the state in communism through democracy like in all these >>59455600 examples.

>>59455593
Sorry ancap nigger, even if we blow up the state the jews will still control your brain

>>59454764
>It's only fine when I get to do it

>>59455194
>we banned drugs and there is no longer a drug problem
Perfect example, not because its "banned" mean people will stop using it.

>>59455615
>implying the people even care enough to vote on what companies should and should not be allowed to exist

only 30% of americans vote for the president , retard

>>59455600
What about national socialism?

>>59455601
To add to this, the way the Jews rule us is through central banks. It honestly has nothing to do with capitalism.
Anarcho-capitalism completely removes the need for a central bank.

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>>59455518
>lassie faire free market
A true intellectual knows that perfect competition is impossible and humans can engineer their economy instead of relying on 'nature'

>>59455593
>bankers own everything!!!!
>idle rich toiling poor meme

fact: most millionares today work more than 50 hours a week. it is harder to manage a company and make it successful than it is to do the rank and file grunt work of that company

the idle rich toiling poor meme died in the 1930s

>>59455635
National "socialism"

I have seen criminals get away by running into the woods.

We should burn down all of the forests.

>>59455659
Hitler is quoted to call himself a socialist

>>59455651
Do they work 500 times harder then the average employee?

>>59455642
>A true intellectual knows that perfect competition is impossible and humans can engineer their economy instead of relying on 'nature'
bait but
a true intellectual knows that he doesn't know enough to make anything perfect, or even close enough to perfect to work as well as a decentralised management of the economy through price negotiation on a case-by-case basis, which is a free market economy

only a fool claims to be a wise man

>>59455674
Source? Is it the "We are socialists..." Quote? If so that was strasser.

>>59454547
I think the privacy and freedom of the entire country is more important than catching one fucking criminal.

>>59455659
Yes, you marxist cretin.
Just because it isn't a stepping stone towards communism, doesn't mean it isn't socialism.

>>59455675
jesus christ read a book before you jump on the marxism bandwagon, how can you ever debate anyone irl about how great marxism is if you don't know what they're going to say to beat you


eventually you'll realise that you're being told what to think from the top down

http://honisoit.com/2016/03/my-salty-summer/

>>59455634
I want people to elect representatives and then latter be able to recall them if they want too.

>>59455641
There is still going to be some medium of exchange, and whoever influences/dominates that medium is going to have the most resources and the most guns and the most power. If they do not then consolidate their wealth and power by whatever means necessary, then it will be taken from them, probably violently.

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Based Sowell to the rescue

>>59455690
Socialism is collective ownership. Thats the definition.

Yes, because child abuse is a crime and encryption is not. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

>>59455699
>what is bitcoin: the post
As long as we are willing to defend our private property, the Jews cannot win.

>>59455330

Communists really deserve the rope.

>>59455709
The boss is taking his "Fair share" of the value the workers generated.

>>59455697
oh sounds great, how do you expect 7 billion people to coordinate to do that with a government bureaucracy on top of it to manage it all?

>50% vote for 50% vote nay
what now? Protests, fights, factions etc
it will never ever work

>>59455722
That meme currency is never going to take off, nobody is going to buy special miners that'll take months to equal any value.

All statists, communists, leftists and socialists need to be thrown into the Pacific.
Then we will take our Hueys to Jerusalem.

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>>59455735
HE IS THE BOSS

he is smarter than you and does things that you cannot do, because you lack the knowledge to do them.

you're not a marxist. you're an anti-authoritarian sissy

>>59455744
Why? Do you want your God Emperor Trump to suck some more Jewish cock while you watch?

>>59455743
>bitcoin will never take off
But it has already taken off?
One bitcoin is worth 1080.78 US dollars.
And that's just bitcoin.
All sorts of crypto currencies are being generated.

lol @ teenagers on 4chan trying to sound like they understand fascism and Marxism.

The Nazis deliberately purged their socialist wing when they assumed power, and oriented themselves entirely against "Jewish Bolshevism," AKA the Soviet Union and all other Marxist movements.

>>59455754
He is a parasite. Workers do everything. The capitalist class is a coordination class that can be replaced by democratic workers self management.

>>59455722
What I'm saying is that in the end, someone is always going to be the jew in a capitalist economy, especially so in the context of an ancap system.

If you are in a position of wealth in such a system and you do not actively endeavor to oppress your rivals (read: everyone) in some way, then sooner or later you're going to run into someone who could not give less of a fuck about NAP and with the means to take everything from you, and take they will.

>>59455713
The nation state is a collective, and unlike communist (and many socialist) states, it actually represents the people

>>59455736
Localized power. Local democratic councils handle most things and each elect a representative.

>>59455775
workers do labor.

labor is valuable, but not as valuable as long term strategy, innovation, and collaboration, as well as beating your enemies.

>>59455744

No way to be anti-statist without being leftist. Capitalism necessitates a state to guarantee private property rights.

>>59455790
and what if there are people who disagree with the decision so strongly that they riot and start breaking things, or refuse to work?

do they form their own faction too?

>>59455791
All of which can be done without a boss stealing labor.

>>59455769
The only ones who give a shit about it after lolbergs just so they can buy weed with it. It's reddit: the currency.

>>59455311
>>59455080
>>59455091
>honorable position

>>59455132
>The violence is solely directed towards bad people. It has been since the dawn of man, and has only changed in the last hundred years or so.

Maybe in whatever fantasy world you're from, but in the real world most violence is directed towards people that have something the guy with the big stick wants.

>>59455800
They can form their own workers council but it will have less power because they have less people.

>>59455775
t. never worked ever
>>59455794
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You don't need a state to provide private property rights, you just need people willing to defend their property.
>>59455778
No. The free market is a great equalizer, no one would have that power.
>>59455812
Every bank accepts it.
Every currency exchanger accepts it.
Most internet sellers accept it.
It's worth 1000 USD.
You are fucking retarded.

>>59455790
Localised power is exactly why Obama care costs so much money.

Let's say you live in Florida, and there are X many insurance companies, but they won't cover your condition. However there's another company in Wisconsin who will cover you, and at a cheaper rate because they have more capital.

You're not allowed to cross state lines to buy insurance. Localised power only increases the disparity between "haves and have nots"

It's clear that you've just been indoctrinated into marxism, and you're infatuated. But you don't /REALLY/ know anything, you're simply told what to think and do, just like a dog. I hope you like this life, because that's the life you get under marxism.

>>59455800

Not that guy, but they could just split off and have their own little community.

There's also the simple fact that sometimes people are wrong. See: Trump.

>>59455806
No it can't. You're too dumb to see that now, but when you've had 20 years more experience you will know.

>>59455841
Trump is wrong because he doesn't want a one world marxist government? Okay. I'm glad to be "wrong" in your eyes too. You, or any political panel don't know what's best for me.

>>59455828

Then it's not really a right. If your "right" to private property is based on your ability to defend it, you also have the right to anything you can seize by force. I have a right to your house because I can shoot better, own more guns, and have more friends than you.

This is particularly troublesome when you have a lot of stuff. How are you going to defend your factory two states away?

The state monopoly on force is what makes General Motors' factories belong officially to them.

Man this is bringing me back to when I was a right-libertarian in high school.

>>59455828
Dude you're a fucking idiot. "The free market is a great equalizer" lmfao. You're not gonna be defending jackshit from the Sovereign People's Republic of Comcast.

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>>59455841
>their own little community.

So, just like a country, with boarders and their own laws?

>>59454618
Cool. Someone else posted my exact response.

>>59455877
you're great at confusing "thinking" with "feeling"

>>59455856

Trump is wrong because he says shit that isn't true and his whole party and staff have to apologize for him and try to calm him down. In the run-up to the election they had to take his phone so he wouldn't ruin their plan to put an angry puppet in the white house so they could cut taxes for their donors.

If there wasn't a subsequent murder investigation then I suspect that the parents aren't doing their job well.

>>59454547
This is a non-question and you're a straight idiot if you even consider any answer other than yes. At the very least you should have your ability to vote taken away.

Totally understand the emotional aspect to any question but you cannot legislate based on emotion. This is how we've gotten to the point we're at right now. And it ain't good.

Apply this type of thinking to literally any other law or constitutional right. It almost immediately gets you into REAL shaky territory ideologically.

>>59454907
>>59454942
I don't understand the Ancap meme or what it has to do with molesting your own kids, and I am an uruguayan citizen.

Have I been out of /int/ for that long?

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>>59454547
i-i thought that was what you were arresting me for

>>59455883

What if they didn't have a government, or companies, though? And no one was "in charge?"

>>59455876
That's not the entire picture. The NAP is equally important. My private property is my person, anything I exert my force upon that no one else is, and whatever I gain through voluntary exchange. Anything I gain by breaking the NAP is not mine.
>general motors
You are right in that the state is what allows them to exist.
It has nothing to do with private property though.
Such a thing as a corporation cannot exist with out a state, and good riddance.
>>59455877
t. failed economics

>>59455898
Trump is factually correct, and just because he's not socialist doesn't mean he is wrong. He is correct, and by the way, a freer market means prosperity which translates to more "fairness" and less disparity.

A free economy provides more and better scarcities to the population than a centrally controlled economy where "workers own the means to production" and dole it out to their friends, instead of those who want it enough to pay for it.

In a communist economy there is no incentive to make more goods for those who will pay for them, they just make the same amount all the time, whovere gets there first gets it, everyone else can fuck off and wait their turn.

In a free market, if you have a huge queue outside everyday, you either ramp up your production and in that process you come up with better faster ways of making the same goods, or you get your market cap stolen by competitors, who see the potential and create their own version of your product. That's the beauty of it.

If you spent half as much time working as you did smoking weed and jacking off about karl marx you'd probably have some money.

>>59455897
yeah bro sorry you have no answer to that. Too bad that you literally cannot comprehend that nobody is going to play along with your ancap fantasy, and people are literally hardwired to desire hierarchical power structures to give stability and order to their lives, and if the state collapses they're all immediately going to fall in with whoever or whatever can give that to them, and who do you think that is probably going to be? That's right, the Jews.

>>59455912
take a walk down skid row and see how that appeals to you. or go to any prison in the world

>>59455967
oh no i know we'll never have a free market again, we're all cucked by socialism in one form or another.

i'm just in favor of anything that will reduce market regulation and make the economy more free because that always increases prosperity any time it's done, even in minute amounts

>>59455967
>projection: the post
Just because you are a mindless drone doesn't mean I am.

Police are good, police are here to protect us, we need the police because without police the criminals win.

>>59455950

>Anything I gain by breaking the NAP is not mine.

I disagree and I have more guns and friends.

But what about this: what if we refused to accept that anyone can gather absurd amounts of power and resources?

>You are right in that the state is what allows them to exist.
It has nothing to do with private property though.
Such a thing as a corporation cannot exist with out a state, and good riddance.

K, then we're close to each other in some way. I don't believe in any hierarchy, and see no difference between private and state power.

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>>59455994

>>59455970

>using victims of the state and capitalism as examples of a world without the state and capitalism

See all these victims of malpractice? That's what happens when you don't have doctors.

>>59456012
i literally do not give one shit about lazy pieces of shit who only want a handout

you want to help them? deregulate the market so they can get a fucking job and not have their bad habits enabled

Cops aren't even people.

>>59454547

>I'm a cop who has seen child murderers walk free because of no gun control. Would you still support lax gun control if gun control allowed someone who murdered your son/daughter to evade justice?

Fuck your false narrative.

>>59456043
The boys in blue are good people. You're thinking of the federal police who work as a personal army for the CIA niggers and FBI.

>>59456023

Don't work? Don't eat. Bad news for people who "invest" for a living. But you'd love my ideal world. All the "welfare queens" who don't want to work would just die.

>>59455998
>I disagree and I have more guns and friends.
I have guns and I also have friends. I also have neighbors who will not like your imperialism.

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>>59456023
>>59456077

>>59456089

In this scenario I'd promise your neighbors all your stuff if they'll hang you in the street.

>>59456077
Investment is work. It's telling your money what to do. It's making your money work for you.

Alright, left-libertarian here signing off. Have a good night an-caps, and try not to be so angry at everyone.

>>59456101
>implying anyone will fall for that bait
Why would anyone? I didn't do anything to my neighbors and you are the one trying to kill me.

>>59455981
>unique snowflake: the post

i repeat: nobody gives a fuck about your sovereignty and your non-aggression principles, they want reasonable assurance that they can live their lives without getting raped by brigands or roving conquerors, and if that means the entity which is guaranteeing your protection get to screw you out of your rights and your wealth in the process then they will gladly accept that over the alternatives.

>>59455464
That's taxes under capitalism, dude.

Molesting children and having harmless 1s and 0s on your computer is a little different

>>59456098
Trump is going to take your welfare and all you can do about it is REEEEE on the internet.

>>59454547
You should've worked to make sure my kid was never abused in the first place. Killing encryption won't unrape my kid.

>>59454942
kek

wtf I hate the fourth amendment now

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>>59456143
t.ancap degenerate

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>>59456148
Isn't it past your bed time, wagie?

>>59456208
Day of the rope is coming for you NEET, Hitler would have put a bullet in your head. You can post memes all you want, but I know you're scared out of your mind.

>>59456143
Right, because you are not generating traffic which is basically what generates them money and gives them a reason to continue doing it.

This is probably bait, but if not kys asap you fucking degenerate.

>>59456129
>authoritarian cuck: the post
>reasonable assurances
Because a state totally gives that.
Oh wait..
>implying they can take my guns
1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN

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>>59456223
Another day, another dollar.

>>59454547
so called "justice" is a fucking joke, so fuck off, I'll take care of my own problems myself like a man should

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>>59456247

>>59456232
[citation needed]

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>>59456255

>>59454547
>>I'm a cop who has seen child molesters walk free because they were cops. Would you still support cops if being a cop allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?

>>59456251
You're scared and I love it. Any day now you'll be dead. Don't worry, maybe you'll kill yourself to save us the trouble.

>>59454547
>I'm a cop who has seen child molesters walk free because of encryption.
Bullshit. Badge and gun or GTFO.

>Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?
Yes, definitely. One child, even my own, is less important than the greater good. Encryption is one of the few things that keeps the deep state from completely killing freedom. As an American who is proud of the values on which this nation was founded, all of my drives are encrypted. Freedom for all or freedom for none. There is no other way.

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>>59456282
>Bullshit. Badge and gun or GTFO.
At least PRETEND to be neurotypical, spergotron

>>59454942
I would kill the nigger while she watched, then the baby, and then I'd slit her throat and stomp her face in. Never in a million years would I tolerate this. All of them would die, as well as anyone who thinks they're getting in my way.

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>>59456303

>>59456314
Call me names all you want. I still don't see proofs.

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>>59456330
>proofs
>for a hypothetical situation
You're a conservative, right?

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>>59454547
Social Darwinism

>>59456257
Is this bait or are you really this retarded?

>>59456357
I assumed that OP was claiming he was a cop. Either way, that's not the right way to use greentext. Do you know how I know you're stupid? You bring up politics in situations where they don't fucking matter.

>>59456404
I'm just asking questions.

>>59454593
says who?

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>>59456414
>Either way, that's not the right way to use greentext.
t. newfag
>You bring up politics in situations where they don't fucking matter.
You're the one who defends pedophiles, "muh values" and libertardation

>>59454547
Point to point encryption should be legal, it's like the right to whisper or talk in private.

Tor is supported by criminals, spies, and libertarians. It's a sort of democracy and therefore illegitimate.

The solution to the majority of crime is ubiquitous sousveillance.

>>59454691
The first one didn't necessarily think it was a real cop.

>>59456457
2/10 bait

>>59456440
>newfag
Do you know how I know you're new here?
>You're the one who defends pedophiles, "muh values" and libertardation
Fantastic strawman. Take offense when no insult is given. You don't know my political views because I haven't told you, nor do I intend to because it's irrelevant. I'll gladly let a few pedos go if it means encryption is still allowed. Bad things happen, but none so far have convinced me to give up my freedom to go after a handful of people. As others ITT have mentioned, legislation based on emotion is a level of retardation that shouldn't even be possible.

>>59454547

People get shot every day. Should we ban guns?

Let's ban cars too, I've seen people run people over.

We should ban knives, since people get stabbed.

I will reject your premise, OP. You don't need to find pictures on someone's hard drive to prosecute them for sexual assault. A simple rape kit should suffice.

In any case, encryption is no longer optional as this point; it is an absolute necessity for cybersecurity. No encryption = anyone can get to your password keyring and access all of your accounts. Furthermore, we can generally assume that any technique that the police have for breaking encryption can and will end up in the hands of criminals. The only meaningful way we can protect ourselves from black hat hackers is with provable encryption that no one, not even the police and military can break.

Some people are allergic to cinnamon. Ban it!

>>59455769
A large volume of bitcoin is either lost, dormant, or being sat on in China. Exchange to any currency used to buy real goods must go through an exchange, and the exchanges can artificially alter liquidity. It is not a value store.

>>59454942
Or I could just shoot Jamal before he even touches Kyoko.

>>59456596
yes

>>59454942
pls no cuckerino

>>59456696
cuck

>>59454942
Can't I just kill her along with the guy for being incredibly disloyal to me?

>>59454593
I do agree but,
- cyanide
- explosives
- hydrochloric acid
encryption is fine, but there are some things normal people shouldn't mess with

>>59454547
>Dicks are used to rape women. Would you still allow men to keep their dicks after hitting puberty?
You're right, op.

>>59456758
this
remove all dicks

>>59454768
he's right except it's not just government interference, any group large enough or powerful enough can impugn individual freedom, be it a government, a corporation, or a religious organization

>>59456754
Encryption won't fatally poison you, blow your hand off, or cause severe chemical burns. Encryption is much safer than any of those things, as it's not tangible. Banning encryption is banning mathematics that have been applied in such a way that they lock the data on physical storage. OP is literally dumb enough to suggest we ban math.

>I'm a cop

No you're not, queerlord.

>>59454547
Are you sure he's child molester?
Do you have proof?
If you do, then obviously, he wouldn't be released.
So without evidence you can't be sure.

>>59456721
>cuck meme in 2017
come on, get with the times anon

>>59456819
I agree, I'm just saying the argument that misuse should prevent use is not always sound

>>59456868
>le current year XD
cuck

>>59456878
*the argument that misuse should NOT prevent use

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>>59454547
fuck off

>>59454547
Assume guilt unless they decrypt and admit it as evidence.

Problem solved

>>59454547
>implying I would trade freedom for safety

No thanks, you statist.

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>>59456921
>Assume guilt

>This file looks encrypted. It may be just random data or be unreadable due to corruption, but the accused is a creep who posts on 4chan.org/g/
>Give the password you creep! Prove you have nothing to hide!
>Still insisting it's nothing? Enjoy being raped in prison, you child-molesting libertarian!

>>59456921
Innocent until proven guilty.

>>59454547
Yes. Just like I still support the police despite some members abusing vulnerable members of society and minorities.

>>59456921
>Assume guilt unless they decrypt and admit it as evidence.
Isn't that against the basic innocent until proven guilty right, and the fifth amendment?

>>59457071
there's no arguing with people like that anon. Their whole premise is that they don't want you to have rights.

Why would anyone need encryption?
Anyone who encrypts without a valid, lawful excuse that isn't rehash of "I don't want people to look at my stuff" should be assumed to use it for terrorism and/or child porn.

>evade justice?

The court and legal systems can't provide justice so it won't matter. Justice only happens with my bare hands, so while I would have to agree that encryption must be protected, it's not a big issue for me since I know the scumbucket would be set free.

That's exactly what I want because if they're free then I myself am free too.

If you can't get the hint, get the fuck out.

If you see CP accidentally and your brains saves the info does it make you a criminal?

>>59457220
A properly trained crimestopper will not comprehend CP, so actually memorizing it means you should be treated as a criminal.

>>59454547
>Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?
Yes
It's like what /k/ always says
>"How many children need to die before you support gun control?"
>ALL OF THEM

>>59454942
nigger

>>59454942
don't look at the post i am replying to!

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>my niece was raped because the police had to wait for a warrant to kick down the door of every house in the city to find some noggo rapist. still like the fourth amendment now, stupid goy?

>>59457275
How old was she?
Is she okay now?

>>59457275
Did she cum when she was raped?

>>59457235
Wtf I hate children now. They are ruining all good stuff...

>>59454547
Yes.

The thing is, good encryption will protect more people than it will hurt.
The other thing is... having any sort of back door to an encryption means that it's not secure.

And I think, if anyone understood the implications of computers having no real security, they'd drop this bullshit about trying to justify any sort of 'back door' or 'master key' system for encryption.

>>59454547
Why don't we just put cameras inside consumer televisions, and hard mount them to the wall so police can quickly identify potential crimes. That would also open up the opportunity to broadcast important PSA videos to re-educate people and reduce violence. In order to make them effective though, the volume buttons will have to be modified so the tv won't mute entirely. Why aren't we doing this already? everyone would be so much safer?!

>>59455595

Nigger detected

>>59454942
That one is actually good man

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>>59454547
>I'm a cop who has seen child molesters walk free because of encryption

Cops don't see people walk free. Judges and lawyers do. Cops don't say things like "I've seen them walk free" except on TV, anon.

If the prosecutions case rested entirely on "encrypted evidence", then they didn't have much of a case in the first place. A prosecutor will inform the jury that they have asked the accused for the passwords to his encrypted material. If the accused unwilling or unable to provide those passwords, the prosecutor will make sure the jury knows about that. And then the prosecutor will lay out a much larger circumstantial and evidential case as a way of implying what that encrypted material contains and why the accused would prefer that it stayed encrypted. And then the prosecutor will continue to make a circumstantial and evidential case designed to amplify what the jury has been told and led to believe, solidifying the case from a prosecutorial point of view.

I believe in the 4th Amendment. It is a fundamental right as American citizens to be protected against the tyranny of a lawless and heavy-handed authority.

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>>59454942
.

>>59454942
nice.

>>59457175
have you ever visited a website whose url begins with "https"?
used email that uses ssl?
watched a dvd/hd-dvd/bluray disc?
put a password on a zip file?
etc

you've used encryption (and as such have probably been looking at child porn or making terrorist plans)

>>59454942
>implying I will ever have a wife

thginotpeelsrehnieidlliwrehtomruoynehtsihtdaeruoyfi

>286 posts and 39 image replies omitted.

this board is beyond redemption

>>59454547
Criminals use guns sometimes, so let's repeal the 2nd amendment so they can't.

Without search warrants, cops would be able ot catch a lot more criminals, so we need to repeal the 4th amendment.

Letting cops torture people for information would REALLY help in taking down those tough organized crime cases, so let's also repeal the 8th!

>>59458545
Yeah man, freedom an' shit.
Criminals sell drugs to kids, so let's just legalize it and let them run heroin stalls in elementary schools.
Pedophilia is a problem, so let's just make it legal and thus not a problem.

The right may have more ignorant people, but the biggest, most obnoxious waste of oxygen people I know are marxist self-dubbed antifa.

Moderate people who just want a good life, doing what they can to be decent people, take care of their family and live are the losers in this world. Isn't that sad, /g/?

>>59454547
>Trying to ban math
Um...

>>59458597
we shouldn't teach kids at all, they might become evil and use their knowledge against police force!!
Did you know that they started to teach kids laws and shit? How are cops supposed to do their work if people know their rights?

>>59454547
Oh Come on, your country is run by child molesters who don't even use encryption.

>>59458083
Cops may be called in to testify in a case if they have pertinent knowledge. Apparently this one did, as he claims to know that the defendant was a child molester, but didn't bother to present the evidence that he had because, encryption?
Did he put all his evidence on a single hard drive, encrypt it, forget how to unencrypt it, and burn the originals?
This setup seems questionable.

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>>59458083
>obama is a fascist
How do you pedophilic retards manage to avoid swallowing own tongues?

>>59458693
they still follow Jewish propaganda

>>59454547
>Would you still support encryption if encryption allowed someone who abused your son/daughter to evade justice?
Absolutely.

>>59454547
no

>>59454942
this isn't /b/

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I don't give a shit what you think and I'm not going to go through mental hoops just to justify it.

It's my right to encrypt every piece of information I own be it on computer storage or on a piece of paper and there's fuck all you can do about it but cry.


Besides if a child molester walked free because of encryption it implies that you had no other incriminating evidence other than muh feels. How do you know he diddled kiddies if you needed CP on his computer to do something about him?

>>59458664

>Did he put all his evidence on a single hard drive, encrypt it, forget how to unencrypt it, and burn the originals?
Here's a simple question: how does the prosecution know that there is illegal content on the hard disk drive?

If they already know what is on it, then that can be used as evidence without needing to search the hard drive itself. If they don't know what's on it, then they are grasping at straws and demanding that the defendant produce evidence for them, which is a blatant violation of the defendant's fifth amendment rights.

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>>59454547
>I'm a cop who has seen robbers walk free because of cars. Would you still support cars if cars allowed someone who stole something to evade justice ?

FUCKING BAN CARS REEEE

>>59454547
>implying i have a son/daughter or will ever have one

lmao

>>59459969
Uses of cars:
>transportation of goods
>transportation of people
>sports
>status symbol
>(very rarely) running over people

Uses of encryption:
>hiding illegal materials
>hiding illegal deeds
>terrorism
>pedophilia
>hiding horrible fetishes
>some rare specialized applications average person never interacts with directly

By your argument, killing people should always be legal because sometimes you have to kill an attacker to save a life.

>>59455518
>agree with me or you're dumb!

Highest plane of thought, indeed.

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>>59455518
Is this satire?
It reads just satirical enough not to be 4realz.

>>59460030
Uses of cars:
>killing cyclists
>killing pedestrians
>destroying private property
>wasting money (lol motorsport)
>polluting the environment

Uses of encryption
>protecting my constitutional rights


I can cherrypick too faggots.

>>59454923
>I can castrate rapists. I can kill murderers on the spot. I can sterilize whores.
>i will never find an innocent person guilty of a crime
wew

>>59460030
good cherry picking

Uses of encryption:
>avoid people to steal your credit card number
>avoid people to listen your conversation
>avoid people to literally know everything about your life

Cars and encryption are tools. You can't ban cutter because it can kill.

>>59454547
to remove freedoms for the conviction of people is absolutely unacapteble
i mean i know that you are not a cop but if you were then you absolutely failed in your job if you were unable to provide evidence and for all it matters why should anyone believe you that those people were child molesters? you have no evidence after all
and in a free country one is innocent until proven otherwise

>>59460030
>hiding illegal materials

In many places "illegal materials" includes talking about the "wrong" religion, criticizing the government, or saying you'd rather not live next to a Somalian.

>hiding horrible fetishes

This is not a crime nor should it be.

>>some rare specialized applications average person never interacts with directly

Such as opening a website, checking email, buying something off amazon, or watching a DRM-protected movie. Truly obscure, niche applications nobody needs.

>>59455754
Actually i'm not even the boss, i'm the owner, the boss is a high tier slave.
All the slaves earn less than they produce and i get the rest because i was born with the money and connections to set up the business, basically miles ahead of everyone else. The whole of society is constructed and maintained to keep it this way.
I don't do shit, or run shit, i own shit and every one of you argumentative niggers is a slave.
I can tell.

>>59460123
>>59460082
>>59460069

are... you people autistic?

>59460210
>when someone BTFOs your shitty argument so you call them an autist

>>59460210
>no counterarguments left
>lol autism
hello /v/eddit

>>59456417
It is called common sense, if you don't that this is a business I don't know...

. . . do some fucking research.

>>59460248
Oh so you don't have any evidence and only gut sense. Judging from the size of your gut, it's much better than your "head sense".

Yes. I do quite firmly believe that it is acceptable to occasionally let guilty people get away with it. Much better than bullying or convicting innocents.

I might want to beat up the motherfucker though, but even if I did, I wouldn't exactly ask for a pardon, no? The law must operate like the law, not like morality.

>>59454547
>I used to know a girl; she had a dozen guys. One of them found out about it... beat her up so bad she ended up at a hospital on Guerrero Street.

>>59455791
>strategy, innovation, and collaboration, as well as beating your enemies.
Are you implying there is none of this without capitalism?

>>59460847
Capitards love to pretend that all the advances in society made by socialists are actually because of the few rich people who wanted to stop them.

>>59454942
no

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>>59454547
society honestly DGAF about child abuse except as a way to attack/slander/extort enemies.

Look at Jeffrey Epstein for fuck's sake. He had a literal child rape island with underage sex slaves but only got a year in minimum security prison since he's a billionaire friend of the Clintons.

>>59454547
Did you ban your cop car because terrorists use cars for car bombs?
Didn't think so.

>>59462155
>He had a literal child rape island with underage sex slaves
What are you smoking?
He got sentenced for hiring a 14 year old prostitute, not rape dungeon in pizza parlor.

>>59462183
>they use morphine in hospitals so it should be legal to sell heroin to preschoolers.

>>59455379
>Commissar Jamal and Commissar Cleatus coming together to rid the nation of entitled middle-class college SJWs
I'm okay with this tbqh

>>59462244
yeah a 14 yo "prostitute" that he happened to have in permanent "employment" on his island and private jet.

rational people recognize this as human trafficking and sex slavery.

>>59462277
Rational people recognize you as a retard.

>>59456921
if there were a lot of people thinking this, humanity would be doomed

>>59455393
Until then you'll make coffee for us

>…would you still support legal guns if it means your son/daughter might be shot by a nigger?