So let us say you have a clean, encrypted virtual machine which

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>vpn provider lied about keeping no logs to get customers
>united states government demands said logs
>vpn provider hands over logs
>op's face when going to jail for downloading illegal porn

>>59449458
Well they could always compromise the VPN provider.

There isn't an end to this rabbit hole at which point you're absolutely, provably, 100% safe. All you can do is go far enough down it to defend against your adversary's likely tactics and capabilities.

>>59449756
>>59449860
Yeah right, there are some good VPNs out there with a good name that has never had this happen before.

What if you use a public WiFi and then a VPN eh?

What if you use a public WiFi, a remote machine and then a VPN?

All from a virtual machine?

>>59449756
What about:
(You) <> Your own OpenVPN VPS <> 3rd party VPN <> Destination

>>59449458
>>59450139
there's really no good answer for you until you get more specific about your threat model.

>>59450293
Need five more proxies, my dude.

>>59449458

Sure you can. The NSA definitely has shell companies that run VPNs so you have no real way of telling if the company leads back to the NSA or not.

The NSA also would make efforts to obtain the keys those VPN's use to encrypt your data in transit.

Then on the hardware level they have probably backdoored things like mother boards, hard drives firmware to I/O to the disk.

You can somewhat avoid the dragnet approach the their surveillance, but if they are targeting you directly you are totally fucked behind your comprehension. There's a reason that ISIS and Taliban use couriers and pigeons.

>>59450139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QT4YJn7oVI
VPN's are never secure.
You have tu build your own box and hide it in a public library

>>59450613
>There's a reason that ISIS and Taliban use couriers and pigeons.

LOL, do they really?

>>59450613
Connections to VPN providers probably raise flags at NSA's end and lift you to some enhanced surveillance list..

>>59449458
VPN wont make you anonymous. It's only purpose is to encrypt traffic between two trusted nodes - client and vpn server. E.g. it will hide your data from your wifi hotspot owner, boss, ISP or third world regime.

>>59451117
So what it does not hide your data from then?

>>59451071
duhh
why else would they be shilling super hard about this faggotry
same thing with the retards who try using TOR.

literally everything you do on the net is recorded by your isp, but even before that it's saved by the nsa's massive data centres.

>>59451690
>literally everything you do on the net is recorded by your isp

ISP can't see if you use VPN

>>59452163
>being this fucking stupid
i bet you believe blowjobs don't give you diseases neither?

>>59451117
lol that's what end to end encryption is
vpn is not needed for that you silly faggot.

>>59452570
>i bet you believe blowjobs don't give you diseases neither?


How can ISP see what you are visiting with VPN?