Post legitimately good reasons why Ubuntu/Elementary isn't

>>59390318
No games. :^)

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>>59390318
Non free software

outdated repositories

>>59390318
Because I have a MacBook Pro 2012. I've tried and love it, along with Mint, but the broadcom wireless only stays connected for about a minute, then I have to turn off/on wireless again, just to get another minute. I'd use it full time if that didn't happen.

>>59390318
>not rolling release
into the trash it goes

>>59390318
Still doesn't use Wayland or have tweak tool installed by default.

>>59390318
Not rolling release. I know this answer is a shithead answer but that is why.

I'm curious what other options are well supported. its just so simple to find out how to fix your issue when running ubuntu.

>>59390388

I wish I was a neet and could deal with breakage every update and never being on a stable consistent build.

The few things I need bleeding edge I just compile from source.

>>59390318
It's linux

>>59390422

99% of the time I use arch docs to fix issues on Ubuntu

>>59390318
Ubuntu provides specific repositories of nonfree software, and Canonical expressly promotes and recommends nonfree software under the Ubuntu name in some of their distribution channels. Ubuntu offers the option to install only free packages, which means it also offers the option to install nonfree packages too. In addition, the version of Linux, the kernel, included in Ubuntu contains firmware blobs.

The “Ubuntu Software Center” lists proprietary programs and free programs jumbled together. It is hard to tell which ones are free since proprietary programs for download at no charge are labelled “free”.

Ubuntu appears to permit commercial redistribution of exact copies with the trademarks; removal of the trademarks is required only for modified versions. That is an acceptable policy for trademarks. The same page, further down, makes a vague and ominous statement about “Ubuntu patents,” without giving enough details to show whether that constitutes aggression or not.

That page spreads confusion by using the misleading term “intellectual property rights”, which falsely presumes that trademark law and patent law and several other laws belong in one single conceptual framework. Use of that term is harmful, without exception, so after making a reference to someone else's use of the term, we should always reject it. However, that is not a substantive issue about Ubuntu as a GNU/Linux distribution.

>>59390318
Because I use arch.

But I use Ubuntu in containers.

Because my Fiio E07k doesn't work in Ubanto and my time is not worthless so I want anything that don't give me stupid problem for every little shit I want to do.

>>59390436
it's not 2004, arch is stable af

>>59390450
Can't disagree the arch community has excellent documentation. I'm more curious about a gnu/Linux OS that has basic hardware support and doesn't take ages to setup. In other words, I'm looking for an OS that's as far from spyware as possible, has great hardware support and a helpful community.

The only reasons I don't run linux are

worse amd drivers/performance
no games
no photoshop and illustrator


inb4 wine memes

>>59390572
>worse amd drivers/performance
AMDGPU Pro (same driver as Windows')
>no games
Native Steam support
>no photoshop and illustrator
Fuck you.

>>59390318
Wi-fi issues that I don't experience on openSUSE.

KDE instability that I don't experience on openSUSE.

If you can do Ubuntu, you can do openSUSE. It's literally just, click a few more times during setup and add a repo/codecs right after installing.

>>59390615
>AMDGPU Pro (same driver as Windows')
convoluted retarded install and compatibility
>Native Steam support
~15 good games and 192831 shovelware indie garbage

retard

>>59390318
I need Photoshop

>>59390517
no it isn't

t. arch user who actually use his computer to get things done

>>59390318
Mint exists

>>59390615

I'm not him, but regarding the first two things, I'll let you know that gaming performance is vastly inferior in GNU/Linux. I dual boot Jessie and Windows 7 and the same games have FPS differences of up to 190; all the drivers are fine and even with the minimal settings it's outstanding if a game can get more than 50 FPS on GNU/Linux, but that same game then gets at least over 200 FPS on Windows. The only games where I've found it to be the same are Terraria and Plague Inc., out of the 50ish Steam GNU/Linux games that I own. Bottom line is that drivers and system stuff don't mean shit when the games themselves aren't optimized for GNU/Linux.

>>59390318

Because I run Mint.
Because Mint is pretty and not Ubuntu.

>>59390548

Debian? Or any of the other Ubuntu variants like xubuntu.

Only 'spying' stuff is the standard Ubuntu desktop env.

>>59390367
Weird, you'd think you could fix that pretty easily.

I dumped Ubuntu over their data-mining shit as soon as they implemented it and went back to Debian.
The only reason I started using Ubuntu when it came out was because it was just Debian with ndiswrapper and a little GUI ready to easily install wifi drivers and the other proprietary drivers I needed already installed or ready to be.
Been back on Debian as my main desktop OS since, but install everything else on the laptop for fun.
Fuck Canonical, I'd just use Windows if I wanted spyware built into my OS.

>>59390723
Yes, I play from GNU/Linux too. Performance is really bad compared to Windows'. Around a year ago I removed BotnetOS but I'm missing its gaming performance.

>>59390820
Yeah, you'd think. I've tried every tutorial and google answer, al 3 different drivers, it just won't work. And I really with it would.

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>>59390512
>Ubanto
>My time is not worthless
>Wastes his money on a fancy keyboard
>Wastes his time posting on /g/
>Let's black dudes from Craigslist fuck his wife
>Is currently raising his wife's son


L O L

>>59390849
I don't know what is more pathetic: your lame attempt at cuckposting or the fact that you confused a DAC AMP with a Keyboard.

>>59390389
Installed ubungo gnome a few days ago and it had tweak tool installed by default. It doesn't use Wayland by default tho ye

>>59390318
I have all necessary for me Ubuntu functions working under WSL while having a proper desktop OS.

>>59390318
Is there seamless Google Drive support yet? Similar to Dropbox's daemon?

>>59390318
Unity is too bloated for my taste, and I don't like the idea of having to install a distro and remove what I don't want, rather than installing the things that I do want.

>>59390318
>Ubuntu
I use it.
>Elementary
These are the same devs who shame the user for not paying for a Linux distro.
If I should be "ethical" by paying for Elementary, why don't Elementary devs pay up to every Debian dev, every Ubuntu dev, and every dev that's created packages in their distro? After all, you do want to be "as ethical as possible".

I would get nothing but a shittier package manager if I used it instead of Gentoo

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>>59390849

>>59390436
Solus is stable

>>59391093
Fucking this.

>>59391158
kevin pls

Becuase im using Ubuntu Server 16.10 for my Web Application Security class.

>>59390517
Arch is also anti-user as fuck: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>>59390318
Elementary is for faggots. Outdate as fuck.

Ubuntu is gay as shit with that sudo bullshit. I'm a su kind of person.

>>59390388
What are backports for 500 Alex?

>>59390318
I am not a fan of the interfaces. I prefer more Windows XP-like distros.

>>59390338
Faggot
> http://store.steampowered.com/linux

>>59390671
Is "you're not using your computer the right way and that's why it doesn't break" the latest meme?
>>59391209
>look, mom, I posted it again

>>59390436
Arch breaks less than Ubuntu for me.
The best option for stability would be Debian Stable and lmao nty too out of date, my computer is not a server.

I use Xubuntu.

>>59390615
390X drivers when?

because chromebook

>>59390318
Because I own a Macbook Pro that meets my needs perfectly.

Threadly reminder that if you value FOSS for any reason besides is typically being more useful and well-programmed than closed-source software, you're an autistic sperg with nothing better to worry about than some old coot's schizoid sense of freedom.

>>59390318
>>59390338
>>59391530

I installed Ubuntu out of curiosity because I wanted to see how games ran on Linux.
Steam didn't install properly, googled the problem, don't really know enough about Linux to apply the solution.
The nVidia driver didn't install properly either.

Went back to Windows and haven't looked back.
For what is supposed to be the most supported Distro, Ubuntu felt wonky as shit tbqh

>>59393530
>gaming

>>59390318
Solus.

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>>59390318
>Bloat, even when I build up from minimal netinstall.
>I like tinkering, and Ubuntu shields me from this since it's pretty polished.
>While it's nice to have commercial distros, I'd rather use something community driven.

I think it's a good distro though OP, since you are fishing for compliments about your choice.

>>59390548
Have you considered Solus?

>>59390357
Which distro has good repos?

>>59390318
its for normies and i like to think myself superior by using distros with higher barriers to entry

>>59393665
Solus.

>>59393691
Top GNU!

>>59393553
Yes Anon, gaming.
Windows feels well rounded since it allows me to do work and play games whereas Linux seems better for work, specifically programming I guess.

>>59390318
See this thread
>>59393122

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I use gnome and it is ass on Ubuntu. I am also beyond happy with Debian testing.

>>59390318
Bloat
I don't use Arch either.

unity is trash

arch today, arch tomorrow, arch for always

>>59390318
Bloat... ubuntu is bloat compared to arch...
I had some problems with ubuntu working slower than arch.
Some errors pops out of nowhere...
Canonical is large company, don't like where they're going (amazon, MS collaboration...)

So, no thanks.

>>59390436
Honestly, are you really that dumb to break arch?
Arch is my main OS for more than a year now.
I do pacman -Syu every week at least
Had no problems, nothing broke.

It just werks.

>>59390318
Openbox is just better.

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bloatuntu

>>59390318
>Post legitimately good reasons why Ubuntu/Elementary isn't your primary distribution/why you don't run it/them.

Elementary is a buggy neutered shit DE, nuff said. Ubuntu is quite OK though but there really is no reason to not run Arch instead, since it has been so stable, lately.

>pacman
>AUR
>no bloat
>faster

Even as a complete noob I would rather use Manjaro than Ubuntu.

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>>59390318
I work in marketing/ content creation and the best tools are usually mac exclusive :/

>>59395068
this looks comfy af

What a dream to be working on your passion in the middle of a vietmanese river

>>59390318
Software is out of date, and I've had bad luck with it loading all the appropriate drivers out of the box. Also the drama with kubuntu and the whole spyware thing made me think less of canonical. I also prefer dnf to apt.

If I was ever to convert someone to linux I'd recommend ubuntu, but that isn't likely since os fanboys are scum and I don't want to sink that low

>>59390671
You've got to choose shitpost or being lying: you're on /g/ yet pretend to "actually get things done"

Ubuntu gets the job done, fast and easy.

>>59390318
Planning to go from dual boot to completely Linux. Which distro should I use? Ubuntu?
Use case -
Programming
Gaming (Rocket League, arma etc which is supported in Linux).
Bitcoin node (as long as it templeos i'm sure it will work. I need a lightweight OS).
No meme os.

>>59396038
Try Ubuntu Mate.
Huge support.
Easy to use.

>>59390318
KDE neon exists

>>59396046
I do use Ubuntu (have been using it for 2 years).
Never explored other linux distors

>>59390318
Because Windows 10 Education is superior to every other OS currently available

>>59396072
Don't try mate. It has screen tearing by default and it's a glitchy mess. Ubuntu unity and gnome are the only good *buntu.

>>59390318
Because I actually use my computer for more things than watching anime and shitposting on /g/ which is why I don't run a server OS on my desktop

>>59396176
I work with 2/3 screens. Any other suggestions other than mate?

>>59390318
does not go 5 minutes without a system error popup.

>>59390318
I use elementary

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>>59390318
Solus

>>59393530
>Admits incompetence
>blames ubuntu for it
kek, yeah you should probably stay on windows mate, perhaps even consider a mac.

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>>59393591
>>59393691
>>59397240

samefag

pic related, it's kevin

not edgy

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>>59397748
No it's not

>>59390318
I prefer Debian instead of botnets built on top of it

>>59392537
Same here. Ubuntu has so much shit going on, so many little programs that just seem to randomly crash. Whenever I convince myself to install Ubuntu on my laptop, I immediately get SYSTEM PROBLEM DETECTED from apport crashing and restarting and crashing again. I have been using Arch for years now and never had any problems.

>>59398442
Solus doesn't have this problem.

probably the bit of outdated packages would be my sticking point.

but i've got it on my chinkpad, and am fine with that since it is on the lts.

>>59397240
>>59398464
Fuck you. Solus is a bloated piece of shit that is painful to look at.

>>59398464
Kevin stop shilling your amateur hour kevinOS to everybody. It's a 2 man team bloated buggy mess.

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>>59398495
That's not me, and where are you getting your alternative facts? Solus is quite the opposite of bloated and it looks really nice. Man, two bad lies in one post.

>>59398517
It's not bloated and buggy, and it's more than a two man team, there's also the community.

The software on the repositories is fucking old and I prefer dnf than apt so I use Fedora.

I use moebuntu to play Long Live the Queen from GOG, and to run other nonfree software.

>>59398544
>the community
lol the community is just you, kevin, stop trying to fool people into actually installing that redundant piece of wannabuntu.

>not bloated and buggy
kek, stop it kevin

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>>59398598
Mate there's a lot more people than me using Solus, you're just salty that there's finally a good Linux distro.

Also prove that it's bloated then. It is the least """bloated""" distro I have ever used, and I used to use Arch before I used Solus.

>>59398527
>>59398544
But it is bloated. Budgie is literally just Gnome with some custom menus.

The project is immature and the developers are amateurs. You're a retard if you think using an os this new isn't exposing you to security vulnerabilities.

>>59393691
OK, I'm using Solus and it's alright, but it does not have very good repos.

>>59398527
My screencap doesn't work. The system registers that I'm hitting the key and makes a snapshot sound, but nothing seems to be copied and I can't paste it to an image editor. I think it's got something to do with my display drivers, since my system takes longer to bring the display back after sleep than it does to boot up.

>>59398644
Budgie 11 will be coming out Q2 of 2017, and it's based on Qt, not GNOME, so that argument is gonna be invalid pretty soon. Also the project has a solid release and release schedule of snapshot iso's since it's rolling release distro, and the devs aren't amateurs. Ikey himself works on Intel's Clear Linux Project, and the other devs do know what their doing otherwise Solus wouldn't be where it is now.

>>59398666
What are you missing in your repos? I literally have everything I need/want including VS Code. Also I'm pretty sure it's a GNOME bug with custom DE's since Elementary has this same issue, but you can just use the screenshot application itself to take a screenshot. I also used to have this issue with KDE on Arch. That should be fixed when Budgie 11 is released using the Qt framework.

>>59390318
I get better battery life when using Windows 8.1/10.

Because no AMD drivers.
Went with opensuse instead and have no reason to switch, it's literally perfect.

>>59398629
Mate, literally the ONLY thing solus does well is that they include some kernel patches. They have buggie as a DE ffs...

The repos are shit, way too limited and outdated as well.
There is no community to speak of, no matter how much you keep shilling it kevin.
Eopkg is a shit.

It is a disappointing ubuntu wannabe basically, but without all the advantages that come with any of the buntus.

Because Debian gives me the freedom to only have nonfree software I CHOOSE to install.

>>59398629
>It is the least """bloated""" distro I have ever used, and I used to use Arch
And finally the shill reveals his true self. Thanks lad, was taking you somewhat seriously until that sentence.

>>59398720
>repos are shit
How? It's not limited in the slightest, and it's not outdated at all.

>There is no community to speak of
Yes there is.

>Eopkg is shit
It's really not, and even if you don't like it, don't worry about it because the new package manager Sol is being released pretty soon.

I'm using Kubuntu because unity a shit.
It's basically Ubuntu anyway, though.

>>59390746
>Only 'spying' stuff is the standard Ubuntu desktop env.
>Using a distro with systemd
Anon, I have bad news for you...

>>59390829
Debian + non-free is your answer if you want Debian sans autism without resorting to Ubuntu.

>>59390842
At that point the proper solution is to go "fuck it" and get a tiny usb wifi adapter, set it, and forget it.

>>59391211
su -c get with the times and use sudo like everyone else, grandpa

>>59398749
What? I used Arch for a few months before Solus, and Solus is significantly faster.

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>>59398751
>It's not limited in the slightest, and it's not outdated at all.

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>>59398787
Okay so instead of an argument you're gonna meme.

>>59398800
There's no arguing against a shill, you're literally lying about things to make solus look like it isn't shit.

Anybody who actually tries it out will notice soon enough. It's an amateur hour distro, will be abandoned within 5 years easy.

>>59390357
You should always look for and add the specific PPA for any new software that you download.

>>59398852
I'm not a shill, I legitimately like and enjoy using Solus and don't appreciate it when people hate on it for no reason and spread lies about it. And I haven't lied once about Solus. Everyone I've recommend Solus to has enjoyed it and still use it, and it will not be abandoned because Solus is what Linux has needed in a long time.

>>59390318
It just doesn't work. Any other distro is better.

>>59390318
Use OpenBSD as it stays consistent and is easier to use

>>59398878
>I'm not a shill
>I don't appreciate it when people hate on it

pick one kevin

>Everyone I've recommend Solus to has enjoyed it and still use it
False, I tried it based on one of your shillposts, it's shit. It's a gimped ubuntu with a toddler DE.

>>59398924
>>59398878
>It's a gimped ubuntu with a toddler DE.
Couldn't be anymore correct. Solus is a babby distribution.

>I'm not a shill
You *are* a shill though. You give people recommendations that they don't ask for. I made a post about Arch and you just replied with "Solus". Think whatever you want about your shitty OS, but you *are* a shill.

>>59398878
Why should I use it over OpenBSD?
Is it secure?
Can I opt out of SystemD?
Libressl?
does it have ports or something like it?

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>taskbar on the side

the whole, the botnet is off by default thing
no reassuring

>>59390318
Because their repositories aren't sufficient for my needs

>>59390318
I'm using Ubuntu with Cinnamon and I love this bloated bastard.

I might switch to Fedora/OpenSuSe with i3 or Awesome as I work with rpm* based distributions on a daily basis.

>>59390388
How does rolling release make it good?

Asking for a friend of a step-friend once seperated

>>59390318
>Ubuntu
BLOAT. I quite like Unity but it's buggy and heavy and every vanilla Ubuntu past 16.04 has UI quirks that they're not patching because they're planning to dump Unity 7 for 8. For example, Nautilus in 16.10 doesn't work with the top panel, instead just having "Files" like in GNOME. That kind of lack in consistency triggers me and I definitely don't want to wait till 2018 to update.

A couple other GNOME apps have the same issue. Unity 8 is looking pretty sweet, though.

>Elementary
I don't like the userbase and the devs themselves seem to not be nice people. It's just Ubuntu Elementary but they have their heads so far up their asses that they hid their buggy distro behind an annoying paywall for some time. Also, Pantheon is literally just a gimped GNOME.

Fedora is an all around better option than the two.

>>59398596
>Long Live the Queen
Based, anon. I was surprised to see Princess Maker 2 Refine running pretty well under WINE.

I use Ubuntu 16.10 as my main operating system. Perhaps you should give us a poll.

>>59403231
>BLOAT.
literally the worst /g/ meme

>>59403322
>Imagemagick which plops not one, but two of the SAME ugly icons in the application menu
>bunch of shitty ass games you're not going to play
>fcitx for non-Chinese locales
>shitty Ubuntu browser that no one is going to use or is ever updated
>onboard
>Thunderbird instead of Evolution (the funny thing is that Evolution calendar events show up in the indicator while Thunderbird's doesn't)
>a bunch of scopes that no one is going to use (Yelp and Colourlovers? Seriously?) and which they themselves have said are security risks
I expect and appreciate bloat when it's sensible but some of it is really just baffling. Fedora ships with a couple essential apps for everyday use and nothing else.

>>59390318
Because Windows 7 still works

>>59393530
You needed to install proprietary Nvidia drivers.
>nVidia
edgy

>>59393665
Arch's AUR.

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>>59398691
Does it have a recent version of Geogebra, flacon and soundkonverter or is there a place where I can search their repos? I'm looking to move away from KDE and its overall slowness but anything GTK is kind of sucky and, if I'm gonna use budgie, I might as well do it on Solus.

>>59400448
honestly the stupidest shit ever but can be moved, then its mac os x but not good

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>>59390318
I'm too much of a brainlet.

>>59397733
I didn't blame Ubuntu, I just think it proved to be much more hassle than it is worth.
I don't have the time nor the energy to work extra just to get things working the way they already do in Windows, why the fuck would anyone do that?

macOS is better lul

>>59390318
All of the blizzard games.

And the ocasinally AAA title I want to play.

>>59403496
you also cannot use printers with fedora. like at all.

>>59408990
>what is wine
lol

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I prefer Mint myself. I jnust prefer Cinnam on, the UI and the menus. 'd take Elementary over Ubuntu if I had to.

>>59409027
Mint is user-friendly but it's security is shit, the main Mint website was once hacked and a false malware-ridden Mint ISO stayed up for a few weeks.

I've tried to run in on several occasions and every single time some massive error occurred that caused my to purge it and go back to windows.

ubuntu is less secure than mac and windows

ubuntu has as much telemetry as windows

ubuntu is not as usable or useful as mac or windows

>>59409057
where the proof tho

>>59409042
>weeks
nigga get your facts straight

>>59409043
lmao sounds like you need to git gud scrub

>>59409071
it was weeks though

>>59409101
>weeks
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994

>>59409117
oh yeah that source isn't biased at all. stay bluepilled.

>>59409129
>HURDUR I BELIVE THAT THE JOOZ HAVE TAKEN OVER LOONIX

go kys you retarded /pol/ack

>>59409166
>slowly growing market share
>unassuming user base; most linux users are left-leaning already
>completely free software means it's easy to spread your sjw virus with contaminated software
all the hallmarks of a jew infestation are there you normie cuckold.

>>59390318
windows is better

>>59390318
Nsa helped develop it

>>59398691
Jesus I can remember teaching Ikey stupid noob basics on the linux mint forum back in the day. What a fucking retard.

>>59390318
>not rolling release
>no centralized repositories for extended software needs -- ppa requirements for each package
>faggotty ass african themed bullshit

>>59408990
>supporting a shit tier jewish company
I don't give a fuck, they should port their games to Linux. Hearthstone is made in Unity and they've built it for android and iOS. They can just as easily export it for Linux.

>>59408630
>me dumb
It's ok lad, windows will work just fine for you.

OK bench of furfag,
Ubuntu is good but still not the best so stop being a fag and install gentoo !!
You fucking faggoterie
so go niquer vos mère bande de pd

>>59390318
>Unity
>.deb
>Amazon probes
>LTS releases is not stable and brooks when you update them
>Elementary is not ready and even his devs doesn't use that like main OS

>>59415057
Why do they sell elementary on laptops if it's not ready?

Systemd

>>59390498
t. ideological autist

>>59415629
Cause current version is 0.4? Cause some hipsters want to spend a dime for laptop with preinstalled Ubuntu-based distro?

>>59390318
>not rolling release
>unmaintained packages

>>59390318
elementary is bugged for me.
Ubuntu (the GNOME flair) ran fantastically for me for about 4 months before systemd committing seppuku beyond repair.

Currently using Fedora because I'm looking forward to use Wayland with Nvidia proprietary drivers, and I think Fedora will be the first distro to allow that.

>>59416041
>I think Fedora will be the first distro to allow that.
Lel, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed also can into wayland now.

>>59416072
Does it work with Nvidia proprietary drivers, though?

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>>59416089
Ayup. It made me think about switching to Tubleweed, but i prefer wait to Leap 42.3 release to be sure about Wayland's stability.
Also, i doesn't hate or dislike Fedora, just SUSE have some killer features like yast2 and btrfs by default.

>>59416145
Gtfo of my board brony

>>59416155
Why so rude, Anon? Anyway mods ban me soon, so i leave that bord for a while.

>>59410544
Links?

>>59415057
>Amazon probes
It's not 2012 anymore kiddo.
>LTS releases is not stable and brooks when you update them
Huh? I'm on my third LTS release, never had problems updating from one to the other at all.

>>59390318
I'm trying to dual-boot it and Win10 but it's making it really fucking difficult for me. It can't even fucking install correctly half the time, now it won't boot and I don't know what to do because this is my first time using a different OS, much less fucking around with boot orders and partitions.

>>59390318

Suffer from NiH syndrome.

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>>59416799
>It's not 2012 anymore
Mkay, maybe i just slowpoke.
>never had problems updating from one to the other at all.
Well, i tried to update from 10.04 to 14.04 and it was terrible. Maybe i just newb, but that expirience make me change Ubuntu to another distro.

>>59390318
Why the fuck would you use Elementary?

If you really want the look and feel of Elementary just install Ubuntu and manually add everything. Elementary is always outdated.

>>59395068
Use Xubuntu then or Lubuntu.

>>59400448
What's more important, vertical space or horizontal space?

>>59390338
i second this. I need 2 hours a day for games occasionally

>>59417052
You jumped from a 2009/2010 release to a 2014/2015 release and didn't anticipate some problems?

>>59409005
Works on my machine.