> catch up to intel on IPC > implements crippling

This graph is useless without a legend

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>>59389658
That's what AMD does.
Makes a powerful product on paper that has terrible efficiency in real world applications.

The furyX is a prime example of that
Fuck ton of horsepower, but 20% of the shaders were unused and sat idle most of the time.
Then combined with driver overhead, it was slower than it's competitors.

Pic unrelated

>>59389658
it's almost as if software that isn't optimized runs less efficiently on architectures it wasn't designed to run on

>>59389658
Inter-core/CCX communication is faster than intel
>KEK WILLS IT

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>>59389658
Just AMD Things

>>59389658
Explain to retard

>>59389658
> hardware bottleneck
Lol no. Zen arch is designed for servers first you put 4 of those fuckers on a MCM and have 32 core monster.

>>59389713
>real world applications

And by that you mean video games.

>>59389933

I'm not buying a server CPU for my home computer.

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>>59389933
>Zen arch is designed for servers

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>>59389658
>>59389713
It's a compromise they made to keep power consumption and transistor count down, for highly parallel workloads where there is little inter-thread dependency the CCX design works perfectly well, and is a lot more scalable than Intel's approach of just chaining multiple ring busses together with a switch. Of course the downside to AMD's approach is clear by now, but for high core counts and enterprise applications, it's the better option.

>>59389960

Photoshop: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-907/

Premiere Pro: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-909/

Lightroom: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Lightroom-CC-2015-8-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-910/

Solidworks: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-908/

>>59389980
>AMD won't shill its own product
No shit dumbfuck.

>>59389658
>Catch up to where intel was three years ago on IPC
>Just bad cause AMD
FTFY

>>59389980
>Merging the worlds of enthusiast, gamer and creator
>IT'S A GAYMING CPU DUDE
Kill yourself

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>>59389981
>>59389981
>It's a compromise they made to keep power consumption and transistor count down

Really makes you think

>>59389971
Unfortunately the industry doesn't care about your personal computer anymore, the big money is in servers.

>>59390019
Yeah, it uses less power than Intel's octa core. If you're comparing a quad core to an octa core in terms of power usage, you are of course retarded.

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>>59389990
DELETE

>>59390028
Intel cares

>>59390019
>8 core CPUs use more power than 4 core ones
Are you braindead? It has the lowest idle power consumption and uses less power than its 8 core Intel competitor under load.

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>>59390019
>Ryzen 8 core uses less power than Intel's 8 core while on an inferior and less mature 14nm designed for mobile SoC, and running last it's optimal frequency. Even in a cherry picked benchmark Which shows Intel in the best light possible
It really does make you ponder

>>59390099
How come the 7700k is both faster and uses less power

Well lets hope there is a way for game devs to code around this. AMD is seeming to focus a lot more on game dev support for Ryzen and hopefully this will pay out soon.

>>59390126
(you)

>>59390126
because it got its clock speed cranked, its developers are familiar with its architecture.

This is without even regarding that there are a few applications and programs that the 7700k is already getting beaten in by 8 and even 6 core haswell-e's. Despite both running significantly slower clock speed wise.

>>59390126
Because it has only 4 cores, but with better singlethreaded performance. And it's only faster in poorly threaded workloads, as expected.

>HOW COME THE 7700K IS FASTER THAN THE 6900K AND USES LESS POWER? LMAO INTEL FINISHED XDXDXDXD

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>>59389658
The Zeppelin die is CLEARLY designed for HPC and server workloads.

Profit margins are MUCH higher in the enterprise market.

AMD cannot currently afford to put out separate dies for the home and enterprise market and the enterprise market is FAR more important to to their survival as a company than the home market.

Small dies + many core scalability is KING in enterprise.

Selling to home users is just icing on the profit cake. It is however not their primary focus.

>>59390126
4 cores

>>59389980
>Nobody should advertise to a market unless they're the absolute best of the best in that market
wew

>>59389658
Does this mean the Ryzen 6 cores are a complete joke?

>>59390237
It means Microsoft needs to fix there scheduler to prioritise keeping workloads on the same CCX.

>>59390069
>>59390187

>>59390237

Take the graph above and take off cores 0, 1, 14 and 15.

That's the 6/12 ryzen

>>59390237
The 6 core versions won't have any L3 cache disabled, so having more L3 cache per core should let offset some of the performance losses.

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>>59389658
ping within CCX is faster than Intel. keeping threads mostly within CCXs is a software problem.

>>59390279
AMD confirmed there is zero problems with the scheduler

>>59390334
Layman here

Is ryzen basically two cpus on one die and the issue is latency when the two cpus have to communicate?

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>>59390360
They confirmed the issue isn't with how the scheduler is handling SMT. The issue is with how it is handling 2 separate CCXs.

>>59390401

Pretty much.

>>59390401
Yes, though it has less latency than two seperate cpu's would have.
>>59390334
Well, the same report that op's pic is from confirmed that the scheduler does actually try and keep threads within the same ccx as much as possible

>>59390427
So what will you fall back on when they confirm that is not an issue either?

>>59390401
Basicly yes.
It isn't optimal in a lot of end user applications but for enterprise the design is brilliant.

This isn't a architectural issue. AMD could make a single CCX 8 core if they wanted to. The issue is AMD cannot currently afford to make separate dies for the home and enterprise markets. Thus the less profitable of the two (home) is a secondary concern.

AMD wants there yields high and there margins large as they retake the HPC and server market.

>>59389990
>adobe
invalid
>adobe
invalid
>adobe
invalid

Adobe has notoriously poor multithreading support in many of their products, these benchmarks mean nothing. Look at results for well designed workloads, like h.264 encoding. All your bench's show is that Adobe don't have good support for multithreading.

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>>59390443
It is obviously an issue. Inter CCX communication is causing latency spikes. Communication between cores inside the CCX is actually faster than Intel's.

>>59390531
Ok yeah cool
So back to my original question, what excuse should we come up with when they confirm it's not an issue?

>>59390525
delusional amd cucks, everyone

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>>59390543
It is a known issue.

>but what if it isn't? XD

Kill yourself m8.

>>59390494
Why would the one 8 core cpu solution be worse for enterprise?

>>59390571
Oh yeah sure it is *wink* *wink*
But we really should get our story together when they find out it isn't, should we blame the software again or stick to blaming microsoft cause I think that will work better.

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>>59390549
The 6900k is worse than the 7700k in those same programs. You are clearly delusional if you think Adobe software is highly parallel.

>>59390028
>>59390017
>>59389998
>>59390187
>>59390205

wew lads. now ryzen isn't even a chip for content creators, a at-home workstation chip, but a server chip. wew lads. you make me feel like not waiting for r3.

anyways, ryzen 2 will probably have this fixed, which is cool. better hardware incoming. and ryzen 4 cores (basically one ccx off) are gonna be cheap and great, seemingly.

>>59390543
>>59390585
We go with architectural decision and they are willing to take the latency penalty.

>>59390525
>Videogames and all adobe applications foesnt matter for a gpu
The fuck would you use an amd gpu for? Certainly not cuda developmrnt, lmao. Kys promptly

>>59390571
>cancerous avatarfag
>amdpajeet
like pottery

>>59390576
lower yields and and performance per watt.

>>59390187
>The Zeppelin die is CLEARLY designed for HPC and server workloads.
Which is why it still doesn't work with VMware?

https://www.reddit.com/r/vmware/comments/5z25qp/any_information_about_running_vmware_in_ryzen/

>>59390618
So we should say that AMD is so advanced that software can't keep up?
Just too smart to win? I feel like that's a good excuse, cause the whole memory thing didn't work well last time and I feel like this excuse will last longer.

>>59390610
Install gentoo, if you're not using a server os you are at the wrong board.

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>>59390635
>Esxi 6.5 purple screens on install because it cannot identify CPU.
>So its going to require an update.

What's it like, the life of someone who can't read?

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>>59390622
>posting pictures with your post is avatar faging

You don't know the meaning of the word.

>>59390655
No, we say install gentoo.

>>59390667
why dont you tell me?

>With AMD popularity right now it will take a while.

The most popular hypervisor doesn't support it, even though engineering samples have been around for a long time. That has to tell you something.

>>59390655
>So we should say that AMD is so advanced that software can't keep up?
No
What i am saying is that isn't the workload it was built for. Latency is unimportant in server/HPC workloads.

>>59390708
So we should let everyone know they are just using the wrong workloads with their 500 dollar processor? I feel like that one will last a while, just poke around and find something that performs decently and say that's what the R7 was designed for. Anything else and your using it wrong.

>>59390703
Engineering samples being around a while doesn't mean they had access to them. Not even the motherboard manufactures had final silicon until a month before launch.

>>59390605
>B b b but the Intel is bad too!
AMD is worse though.

>>59390727
Amd is in a financial ruin and has to sell server CPUs on the regular consumer market

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>>59390727
>amdfags are literally "holding it wrong" tier

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>>59390708
>Latency is unimportant in server/HPC workloads.
Which is why ESXi has a latency sensitivity option for VMs? Pic related. And why there are two types of ethernet switches, cut through and store and forward, the former being for the purpose of reducing latency for HPC workloads:

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/nexus-5020-switch/white_paper_c11-465436.html
> Furthermore, cut-through switches are more appropriate for extremely demanding high-performance computing (HPC) applications that require process-to-process latencies of 10 microseconds or less.

>>59390736
>largest virtualization company
>wouldn't have access to engineering samples
>for a chip you tards are saying is targeted towards enterprise class workloads.

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>>59390727
OR maybe you should look at the benchmarks and purchase the correct software for your workload instead of being retarded.

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>>59390620
>cpu benchmarks, about amd's new ryzen cpu, tested against intel cpu's
>"hurr durr but gpu's though"

>>59390749
but amdfags were tellling me that the desktop market doesn't matter and are going to make a killing in the server
why would they market it to gaymen then

>>59390758
>>for a chip you tards are saying is targeted towards enterprise class workloads.
R7 is not Naples. It was explicitly intended to target the enthusiast and content creator market and compete with Intel's i7s which are in the same tier.

>>59390758
Exactly. Chip level latency is insignificant when network level latency is involved.

>>59390761
YES!
THATS THE ONE!
Tell them they bought it wrong

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>>59390747
It's irrelevant.
That's like trying to say a rugby ball is better than a football for playing vollyball.
Who cares?
You shouldn't be using either of those balls to play volleyball in the first place..

>>59390777
They have to sell something to the average joe consumers, they don't have money to design CPUs that best suit the average joe so they just sell the server CPUs for every market

>>59390800
>>59390798
>latency doesnt matter guise
>its not targeted for enterprise class workloads even though we were saying it was earlier
>its for gaymers and content creators
>which is why we're even having this discussion of how the task scheduler is so fucked up in the first place

>>59390801
If someone is dumb enough to try to eat steak with a spoon i am going to tell them they are using the wrong tool for the job.
Is a flashlight a bad tool because it is bad at turning bolts?

>>59390835
Yes

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>It's faildozer 2.0

>>59389658
So it almost seems like it's operating like a dual quadcore system rather than an octacore system.

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>>59390757
Tell me again how IBM's Power9 is bad at gaming and therefor a bad chip.

>>59390826
Yes? Somebody should make an 8 core vs 4 cores disabled benchmark for gayyming to see how much the task scheduler is fucked and if AMD is right for the tradeoff.

>>59390672
sauce now

>>59390826
But does latency actually matter? Do you have any real world examples where cache is bottlenecking the system?

Looks like you have ton of Meymey arrows and no actual proofs

>>59390879
Power 9 is not sold to gamers and average joes

>>59390870
No. What are you, retarded?

>>59390902
>But does latency actually matter?
Yes, why I have latency sensitivity set to high for my RDS VM. Otherwise video and vidya stutters on playback/playing.

>>59390879
literally kill yourself
I don't even know where to begin explaining how retarded you are.

>>59390917
He is right though

>>59390919
>vidya gaymen

Wow! Tell us more!

>>59390936
If he is right, that means Intel has four single cores

another thread where /v/ tells us how important vidya games are to the server/workstation market

>>59390957
No

Ryzen is basically two quad cores on a single die

With both quad cores having 8 threads

>>59390957
More like how Intel C2Q was two dual cores in a single chip.

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>>59390975
This. Hilariously c2q were better than amd "true" quad core phenom1/2

>>59389658can I make one ccx Linux and the other windows?

>>59390905
The 6900k is.
And what do you know?
It is also bad at gaming compared to higher clocked lower core count parts.

>>59390334
Has anyone done game benchmarks and used the set affinity thing to limit the game only using cores from a single core complex?

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>>59391019
What did he mean by this

>>59391019
They were about equal clock for clock. Also the Phenom I/IIs were cheaper in general and you could drop them into older AM2/AM2+ motherboards.

>>59391035
6900k is quite unoptimal shit for most joe tasks

>>59390798
are you retarded?
Naples is the same Zeppelin die retard.
If AMD was making separate dies for home and enterprise Ryzen 7 would have 1 monolithic CCX.

>>59391060
now post gaming bechmarks and anything using ssse3/sse4
oh righ it throws an error on phenoms
also phenoms shit themselves in HEVC encode/decode because of that unlike ancient c2q
>muh fine wine
hilarious

>>59389658
>Hello
>I'm /g/
>I think of my self board for technology
>but instead of talking about benefits and negatives of certain technologies I just flat out shit on one that is newer
Why is /g/ as cis pool of stupid?

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>>59391081
and so is Ryzen 7
However i am not stupid enough to argue that it is a bad chip because it doesn't fit my use case.
Keep in mind that the X99 platform i7s are just binned and rebranded Xeons.

>>59391103
>hey you know that instruction set that Intel didn't share with AMD
>Yea AMD doesn't have it
What a fucking shocker, do you have another amazing finding of Intels shitty business practices?

>>59389778
Actually it's not. It's just cheaper

>>59391132
Xeons don't have iGPUs while the i7s do or did they change this?

>>59391097
Sure it's the same basic configuration but it lacks 8 channel memory and dual/quad socket support (at least officially). R7s aren't intended to be used in an enterprise server at least.

AMD is running them first to clear the way using a small market to verify the silicon is correct.

>>59390758
AMD's enterprise platform is not out yet.
Motherboard manufactures for AM4 chips didn't have the chips in hand until a month before launch. That is why there are so many bios issues currently. If the hardware devs didn't have the chip in hand the software devs certainly did not.

>>59391162
6+ cores i7 are completely different dies than 4 cores. They lack iGPU.

>>59391162
non of the 4+core Intel CPUs have iGPU

>>59391162
x99 platform i7s do not have an IGP.

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>>59391103
What did he mean by this

>>59391200
>>59391210
>>59391215
What makes them i7 instead of xeon?

>>59390019
And said 95w
Somehow manage to have 5w less than 140w 8 core intel

>>59391234
Branding, Intel didn't know how to market their badly binned Xeons so they made "Enthusiast" Platform.

>>59391162
>Xeons don't have iGPUs while the i7s do or did they change this?
E3-1200v4's have iGPUs

>>59391231
>q9550
>200Mhz slower than fastest phenom 2
>still faster
ayy lmao

>>59389658
The system can write to and read from DRAM in a little over 60ns. L3 cache between CCXs is not taking 140ns.

>>59391234
http://ark.intel.com/compare/92992,94196
You tell me

>>59391163
>it lacks 8 channel memory and dual/quad socket support

Because the Naples is 4 Zepelin dies on a MCM.
They are the same chip. Just binned different.
On Naples 4 Zepelin dies share resources on a interposer for 8 memory channels (2x per die) and 128 PCIE lanes (32 per die).
Multi CPU configurations are also disabled on 2011v3 i7s but they are the same chip as 2011v3 Xeons.

>>59391268
Yes a whole 2 FPS will make a life or death difference.

>>59390635
>server workloads
>VMware
nigger what?

>>59391268
more cache

>>59391268
The 9000 series C2Qs had like a ton of cache. They actually frequently beat early i7s at a lot of benchmarks for a while probably as a result of that. Difference is the Phenom chips are like half the price and the mobos were cheaper, plus you could upgrade old AM2/2+ mobos with them. Phenom II was one of the best price/performance chips for a long time

>>59391234
Microcode settings and binning.

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>>59391253
Cinebench MT does not load a CPU 100% on all cores. Not all workloads stress a processor to the same level and cause resulting peak power draw.
The Ryzen 1800X will pull 110w under a 100% AVX load.
The Broadwell-E line will pull 135w to 149w.

Under normal conditions each chip draws less power. In gaming workloads the 1800X will pull around 60w or less.

>>59390974
In other words bulldozer 2.

>>59391299
It's faster and were similarly priced. q9550 has sse4 which made it stomp any phenom in emulation and multimedia.

>>59391234
>>59391288
Looking at the clock speeds this is more apt
http://ark.intel.com/compare/92985,94196

>>59391234
Literally just microcode for the cheaper Xeons

>>59391320
>They actually frequently beat early i7s at a lot of benchmarks for a while probably as a result of that.
Ye, late C2Qs beat early i7s in the Dolphin benchmark by quite a bit at the same clockspeed.

>>59391301
>what are virtual servers
amdrones everyone

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>>59391325
Well this time they're real cores, they're just separated.

>>59391162
They are different production runs idiot. 6950x is the top binned chip, no way a 10 core 3+ GHz CPU is a trashy bin

>>59391355
Those are solder pads sitting atop the die, anon.
Zeppelin is a single die.

>>59391340
Something something ram support

That xeon costs pretty much the same so why does that i7 even exist?

>>59391380
Unlocked multiplier.

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>>59391370
It couldn't meet the power binning requirements of a Xeon.
Trash binning for server does not mean trash binning for desktop. Leaky dies clock higher more easily.

lrn 2 binning nerd

>>59391353
>not using Lincux or BSD on a server
kys

>>59391320
They had shit ton of fast l2 cache and no l3 cache. Intel went all out for Core 2 series, manufacturing costs must have been higher compared to Nehalem and later

>>59391334
The 9550 was only similar after a massive price drop.

>>59391355
Bulldozer had real cores, problem with bulldozer was that it had l2 cache for cluster of 2 cores, making them slower than they had to be, they were already slow to begin with.

>>59391371
Summit Ridge, Zeppelin is 32 core APU

Ryzen cpus are meant for university computer lab pcs

>>59391444
Well it had real integer cores, the FPU, decode, backend, and cache access were shared.

>>59391451
Summit Ridge is the platform name.
Zeppelin is the name of the die.
Ryzen is 1 Zeppelin die.
Naples is 4 Zeppelin dies.
Just like Orochi was the name of the die layout used in Zambezi and Vishera.
It is not the name of an APU.

>>59391296
>8 memory channels (2x per die) and 128 PCIE lanes
lol no

>>59391463
with is fucking retarded, if your 2 ALUs or one ALU and FPU needs to do work at the same time, they will have to wait for each other, making whole system lag behind.

>>59389658
amd way to get /g/aymer to test upcoming napple

>>59391451
Educate yourself, kid.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

>>59391485
Naples has 8 memory channels.
Naples has 128 PCI-E lanes.
The Zeppelin die has 2 72bit ECC memory channels, and 32 native PCI-E lanes. 8 lanes are used to communicate with the mobo chipset in Ryzen, but this isn't needed in the enterprise market, so each die has its full 32 lanes.

These are facts. Go shitpost somewhere else.

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>>59391485
You can literally count them on the die you retard.
The only caveat is that half the PCIe lanes are used for Infinity Fabric interconnect lanes on 2S systems.

>>59391546
>Naples has 8 memory channels.
>Naples has 128 PCI-E lanes.
again, no it wont.

>>59391566
what will it have?

>>59391583
provide a source for your ridiculous claim
[spoiler]you have none[/spoiler]

>>59391566
if you can't identify the 2 72b DDR4 controllers and the 2 blocks of PCIe x16 controllers in the Zeppelin die pic above, you should demote yourself to /v/.

>>59391566
Again, kid, it does.
This has been well known for about 2 years now, and it was already confirmed when AMD publicly demoed their 2 socket Naples server platform.

What does a retarded little kid get out of blatantly denying reality?

>>59391592
im not the guy, you seem to know what naples will have so I'm asking you.

>>59390543
>>59390585
>>59390655
>>59390727
>>59390801
>people falling for this again

10/10

>>59391566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN93G6Rg2ek

>>59391595
>I have no source for my outrageous claims
>but seriously guise it will have more than 3x the PCIe lanes and 2x the memory channels of a Xeon E5-2600 while still being lower cost
keep deluding yourself anon

>>59391646
Retarded little kid, see: >>59391629

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>>59391583
>>59391592
>>59391607
AMD publicly confirmed last week the 128 PCIe lane/8 DDR4 channel specs.
On dual socket systems, 64 PCIe lane controllers on each chip are used as processor interconnects, leaving 128 lanes total still exposed for device usage.

>>59389713
>Makes a powerful product on paper that has terrible efficiency in real world applications
>Pic unrelated
>pic of commie bassturds getting the stick
Not sure how unrelated that is, Timmy

>>59390610
>wew lads. now ryzen isn't even a chip for content creators, a at-home workstation chip, but a server chip. wew lads. you make me feel like not waiting for r3.
That's how amd cucks operate
>IT WILL BLOW INTEL AWAY
>its not designed for gaming
>it's not designed for content creation
>it's .....designed for something, I mean it should be good at something, right?
>I forgot to mention in 5 years this CPU will BLOW INTEL AWAY because of fine wine.

>>59391566
Are you the same guy that argued with me about whether Skylake would have DDR4 support?

>>59391682
>terrible efficiency
>better than Intel's chips of comparable specs

>>59391695
Maybe hes the same autistic NEET who tried to argue that there wouldn't be any 32 core/64 thread Zen based Opterons.
This lying retard claimed he worked for some government agency that tested hardware. Then like 6 hours later AMD hosted their first press event where they showed off a 32c/64t Opteron.

I think its the same autist who also claimed that Zen would only have single channel memory bandwidth per CCX too. Just a pathetic NEET.

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>>59391738
>This lying retard claimed he worked for some government agency that tested hardware.

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>>59391685
>"b-but /g/ told me zen was for gaymen"
You should've lurked more.

>>59391866
>You should've lurked more.
You should have looked at the state of /g/ for the last month.

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>>59391566
h-hehe, y-yes it's all lies

>>59391866
AMD was smart to start this generation of chips with the R7s. By the time the R3s, R5s, and Naples come around they'll have worked out all of the major bugs. Games might take a while to catch up but probably some will have been optimized for Zen by the time they come out

>>59391969
They actually were, the enthusiasts are beta testing the chips for free and forcing vendors to fix their shit just in time for Naples/R5/R3, by the time the Raven Ridge is out every kink in the consumer market will be ironed out, leading them to a smooth ride on taking a lot of the laptop marketshare

>>59389658

"Crippling".

>>59391866
Lisa su main target is server after she appointed ceo. somehow /g/aymer forgot what she say

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I think they achieved this one.

>>59391866
Looking through these old posts is kind of interesting.

>>59392215

That's where the money is.

But to sit there and say it's a terrible processor like most tech sites are attempting to allude to with no solvable "fix", or solution is what's disingenuous.

Especially considering once the software load shifts from being CPU bound to GPU bound, and having no deficit and in some tests actually surpassing Intel CPUs, is just assinine and sabotage.

>>59392215
Nice English, Poojeet.

why are you nigs making suck a drama out of it. Ryzen still outperforms the 7700k in some cases for us casual pleb pc gaming master racers. There are a lot of hints out there for everyone that there is a lot of stuff that should be fixeable/improveable software wise.

Could AMD have done better? Prob not really, they had a lot of catching up to do and had to make some choices to being able to get to this point at all. We won't have a proper full verdict on Ryzen till a year from now to see if AMDs claims regarding software support for game devs holds up.

Isn't intel currently in a world of shit with their next generation of Xeons due to process issues?

>>59392371
Cannonlake Xeons totally removed from their roadmaps. Cannonlake desktop likely to be delayed or canceled, we'll probably only see low power mobile Cannonlake parts.
I'd put money down on their 10nm process node having more issues than their 14nm did in its first two years.

>>59392371

They needed the 10nm to bear fruit to be competitive. As it stands now, they are conceding a huge segment of their product stack to an amazing AMD server part.

Assuming AMD can actually crack open the market.

>>59390019
You can tell this is the shill in every fucking thread because the filenames always have this alphabet soup with hyphens inserted into it.

>>59392365

They just ran out of money.

Ryzen is all their eggs in one basket.

If doesn't sell, AMD is literally done as we know them today.

>>59392395
>Cannonlake Xeons totally removed from their roadmaps. Cannonlake desktop likely to be delayed or canceled, we'll probably only see low power mobile Cannonlake parts.
It's Broadwell all over again
>I'd put money down on their 10nm process node having more issues than their 14nm did in its first two years.
TSMC and Samsung have delayed all their product lines due to shit yields on their 10nm process for their minuscule SoC's
You can be sure as hell Intel won't get their node ready anytime soon for their massive monolithic server dies, not even for their mobile SoC's
They are basically finished on the majority of the server market, rape like this hasn't been witnessed since the first Opteron's destroyed Itanium
>>59392420
>If doesn't sell, AMD is literally done as we know them today.
>i'm going to pull shit out of my ass
AMD is well even if Ryzen flopped, they have pretty much all their short and medium term debt covered, while having successful massive medium term contracts and their massive wealth of IP
But yeah, keep pretending to know jack shit about anything

>>59392420
I'm pretty sure Raven Bridge will sell. Plus they'll have Naples, Vega/GPUs, and custom chips for various products.

>>59392455
Apparently it's Raven *Ridge* my mistake.

>>59392526
you fucking shitlord

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>>59389658
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/13/amd-ryzen-community-update?sf62107357=1

Straight from the horse's mouth with corporate damage control and deflection turned to 10

>We have investigated reports alleging incorrect thread scheduling on the AMD Ryzen™ processor. Based on our findings, AMD believes that the Windows® 10 thread scheduler is operating properly for “Zen,” and we do not presently believe there is an issue with the scheduler adversely utilizing the logical and physical configurations of the architecture.

>ExtremeTech showed strong performance for high-end GPUs like the *GeForce GTX 1080 Ti*, especially for gamers that understand how much value AMD Ryzen™ brings to the table

HAHAHAHHAHA

/amd is having a meltdown over this

>>59392406
Considering HP and AMD are literally best friends forever, they very well may crack it open relatively fast.

>>59391324
Sure, but Ryzen only has 128-bit wide vector registers and takes double the cycles as Intel's 256-bit vector registers.

So yeah, no shit it draws more power on full AVX load

>>59392371
That and ARM is eating their shit up.

>>59392395
Cannonlake desktop was already replaced by Coffeelake awhile back, it's 14nm "with 10nm Cannonlake technology!"

>>59392406
They needed 14nm to bear fruit. It didn't. Same clock speeds at end of life as 22nm end of life. Power usage is nearly the god damn same. 14nms delay and shittiness meant 10nm got delayed as well.

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>>59392731
The are saying SMT isn't broken. The issue is in how it is handling the two CCXs.

>>59392371
Yes. Intel has nothing to compete against Naples, at least for now. And we know nothing about Snowy Owl.

>>59392454
At least Broadwell got server parts out eventually.

I bet first 10nm server parts beyond four cores are actually Icelake.

>>59392805
Cinebench doesn't use AVX let alone AVX2

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>>59390360
>implying