Tell me /g/, why is this peace of shit so fucking buggy? Why

what bugs?

I made a comparison and it has less bugs than the very expensive jetbrains ide and retarded code editors such as vim, emacs or dummy sublime-text.

>stability
vs2017 > vs2015 > intellij-idea > netbeans > xcode > eclipse

>>59380628
Don't use dummy extensions made by Linux fags to destroy it.

When will they reduce the install size for VS?

Its kinda weird to require 50+GB for VS.

>>59380820
Intelisense doesn't work on 2015 projects.

>>59380820
>what bugs?
You tell me
https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com

>>59380628
Use an actual text editor instead of a do-everything-and-do-it-poorly monolithic behemoth of a program

>>59381028
xcode is that bad?

>>59381050
dont you dumbfucks read about visual studio new installer? it was even posted numerous time here that new VS2017 does not have huge installation now u can choose whatever tools/languages u want to install. minimum installation is 1.1 gb i think

>>59380628
You can use VS2015 if some things are a little buggy for you, anon.

>>59381616
Xcode is quite terrible, and it's been getting worse rapidly in the past three years or so.

I don't think Apple gives two fuck about developer experience anymore.

>>59381616

xCode is really quite bad..

>>59381679
>2017
>Delphi

Nightmare fuel

>>59381679
I feel unclean

>>59381616
I've never used a buggier IDE, even basic things like line highlighting are broken

>>59381779
>developing animu shit on delphi

kys

>>59381932
>kys
Get out

>>59381050
My install is about 13GB and I included shit like ASP, WPF and C++ support

>>59381779
N-nice

>>59380628
>Why can't M$ do a proper IDE release where everything works?
Because it's impossible to justify the investment they'd have to make when eclipse already exists.

>>59381765
what are you trying to show us? as far as i know u still need macOS to compile your iOS project from Delphi

>>59382408
>1min to install vmware player/workstation
>10min to download a vmware image of the latest macos release
>4min to config the virtual machine and complete the installation
>10min to create apple account and install xcode
That was very hard dude!

>>59382408
but for androids, it generates native code that you just copy to your device.

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>>59382453
>10min to download a vmware image of the latest macos release
for me it takes like 4-5 hour
>also running emulator inside VM
no thx

>>59382632
>for me it takes like 4-5 hour
You don't have to do it ever time though, so that's a moot point.

>>59382408
yea but no need to learn that objective-c language used in xcode.

>>59383002
you can connect on specific port from windows to macOS and cross compile from both ms VS and probably from delphi as well

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>>59380628

it's completely unusable

>download vs 2017 to hopefully fix performance issues with 2015
>installer runs, looks decent enough
>need to restart, windows 10 updates for 2 hours
>load solution I'm working on, takes longer than usual
>notification pops up for new """lightweight""" load. enable and restart
>solution takes even longer to load
>open installer again to check if I missed something, fans on laptop start spinning at max speed
>starts using 40% CPU for no reason
>kill installer, fans back to normal
>fans start again
>search indexer using 30% CPU even though indexing is complete
>kill the indexer
>open my firewall software to block the 10 new things which are now constantly chatting with ms
>open vs again, File menu bugs and stays open no matter what
>turn off lightweight load since it's useless
>notification every time I start now, no way to turn it off
>try to give feedback to add an option to turn notifications off
>feedback app is broken and won't let me log in
>10 second lag every time I switch between chromium and vs when debugging
>5 second lag every time I copy/paste

>>59383265
Works on my machine. Consider upgrading your P3 and 128MB of ram.

My only problem with 2017 is I can't push Git comitts in the team explorer. Gives an error and haven't had the time to even care what the issue is. I'm just pushing from CLI for now.
Otherwise it starts faster than 2015 and the new shit is nice.

Emacs master race.

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>>59380628
I don't even know. I just use Eclipse or NetBeans at this point. Works as well if not better.

>>59381616
Apple might try to look like the kool kids club but they stop giving a shit about devs more and more, year after year.

>>59381679
pic related

>>59384588
>Eclipse or NetBeans
your pic related

>>59384550
>needing 4 cores and 4gbs of ram for a glorified text editor
what is this modern world?

>>59384700
Not sure if bait or actually retarded.

>>59384550
I've got 16gb of ram and an i7 on that machine, hardware is not the issue.

>>59383265
prove that you aren't using a toaster

after that, fuck off

>>59385207
>prove that you aren't using a toaster
see >>59384893

>after that, fuck off
are you mad?

>>59381004
>I made a comparison and it has less bugs
Got any actual metrics comparing the bugs found in VS17 vs the others? Are the bugs repeatable?

>vim
>buggy
Ok

>>59385296
nice proof there, faggot

I too have a pretty good computer, 4 E7-8890 v4 and 6TB of ram

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>>59385350
I have to assume this level of retardation can only be trolling, but here you go I'll bite. I mean I could have just googled a screenshot as "proof" if I really wanted to.

Not that any of that matters since you haven't even made an argument.

>>59380628
VS is only good thing made by microsoft.

>>59385411
>laptop cpu
no wonder you're complaining, does that laptop at least have a ssd?

>>59385464
Yes it does have an ssd. And that CPU should be more than adequate. It's definitely not a hardware issue.

The same project didn't have these issues in VS 2015 (except the copy/paste issue which was fixed), nor does it have any issues on my i5 laptop running windows 7 with 4gb of ram in VS 2013. VS 2017 is the problem.

This also still doesn't explain why the installer idles at 40% CPU or why there's no option to turn off the notification which I now get every single time I start or why it stops responding every time I tab into it or why the copy/paste bug from 2015 is back.

I'm the last person to shit on VS, but 2015 was buggy and 2017 is unusable. No one tested this software.

>>59385632
really strange, I have a processor that is just barely better than yours, and it works like a charm

but I tell you this, the first time I installed visual studio 2017 (I was on a normal hard drive, and it was a preview build) it was fine at first - the startup times -, but after some time, it got unbearably slow, with 2+ min startup times

sometimes it gets fucky when updating/installing (of course it's microsoft's fault), but when it works, it works pretty well, I now have a ssd too, and vs 2017 still opens quite fast, and the "light loading" stuff works properly

if i was having some problem like that, even more on a ssd, I'd try to purge it the best way I can and reinstall again

>>59385775
> the startup times -, but after some time, it got unbearably slow, with 2+ min startup times
I've had this too, you can usually delete your .suo file to fix it.

I've just reverted to 2015 for now, I'll try a clean install again after the first big update.

>>59385908
I also had some problems updating from RC to release, it froze at 51%, I had to kill the process, and in the next startup it started again and worked

Heh using vc2003 to fiddle around with original quake3 engine. Is there a wsy to convert it to a more modern vc version without breaking shit?

How slow is the compiler?

>>59381004
Visual studio isn't a code editor....the closest thing they have to a stripped down code editor is Visual Studio - Code. You can use vim, emacs, or sublime in conjunction with Visual Studio.

>Project Rider will soon be complete and I will never have to use Visual Studio again
Based JetBrains.

>>59387285
>paying $649/yr to use an IDE

>>59387118
I don't know, only used it with small projects < 8000 LOC, but it was quite fast with those

>>59387433
IntelliJ Ultimate is just $150. The fuck are you on about?

Try running Resharper on a computer that isn't a high-end workstation.

2017 Professional + Resharper is a fucking insane CPU and memory hog

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>>59387497
Some people need more than just Java IDE.

Some people need CLion or PyCharm in addition to IntelliJ

>>59381616
if ebola, cancer and aids gangraped the black death and got her pregnant, she would call the child xCode

>>59387630
IntelliJ is a lot more than a Java IDE.
Just get the plugin for Python, C/++, R, and whatever else you need.

>>59387584
>more than 100 dollars per year

that thing must be god tier

>>59381028
> ... > eclipse
This

I just installed eclipse and what the fuck is this shit?

NetBeans is just better

>>59387771
It's only a yearly license if you always want the latest version.
So if you buy version 16, you can use version 16 forever. You just don't get version 17.

>Visual Studio unstable
Clearly doing something wrong

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What is the best all 'round IDE that just werks? Asking for a friend.

>>59387118
You can use clang with vs r-right?

>>59384893
hmm sounds like it's the user then lol

>>59381779
Thats fucking cute m8.

>>59382065
compiling something that could fit into 1.html

>>59381765
so you picked IOS device in one list and then you can still see Android devices in another list? what's all that about?

>>59381779
>>59381765
Are you Russian... or German?

>>59384550
>Works on my machine.

true developer detected

>>59380628
Because, everyone doing real coding uses nix systems, so M$ doesn't have much pressure to make their products good. It's only to sell it to captive markets, aka college students.

>>59389039
>everyone doing real coding uses nix systems
oh anon, you are a funny one

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>>59381679
>embarcadero

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>>59385411
Dude that i7 is a low power mobile part with 2 cores and 7.5-15W TDP max. Its a a literal piece of shit. You got baited by Jewtels naming scheme and now you know why everything runs like shit on your ultrabook.

>>59389248
>everything runs like shit
not everything runs like shit, specifically vs 2015 and vs 2017 run like shit. And vs 2017 runs like shit to the extent that it's unusable. I'm not the only one having these issues either. My CPU should be more than sufficient.

So either Microsoft has completely mangled the performance of VS from 2013 to 2017: from buttery smooth operation to completely unusable/unstable, or they released buggy software.

Microsoft has failed to produce any good software in the last 4 years so I imagine it's a combination of both

Is there a no-spywrare, no-telemetry, full-installer and pre-cracked version somewhere? Big enterprise and geniuses have to be discrete about their activities to protect their works and themselves from evil organization.

>>59389747
>cracking visual studio

you must be joking

>>59389768
I am not talking about having free access to all the online services.

>>59389848
what online services? the only things it does online is search for nuget packages, extensions and updates

>>59389949
Azure, Xamarin Cross-Compiling and all the shits aka the true power of IDEs.

>>59390033
you know that those are optional stuff to install, right? they aren't even selected by default

>>59390110
Yes. . . I just need a full vs2017 installer without craps but it seems hard to do with microsoft shits today because they include tons of crappy default options.

>>59390288
Darling, if you consider reading a few lines and clicking a few checkboxes "hard", maybe programming is not for you?

>>59381679
This is what true supremacy looks like.

>>59389535
What other complex software that generates significant load did you try running and you were fine with?

>>59381145
Clear your settings and restart it. VS has always done that.

It's still hands down the best IDE around.

>>59381050
That was the big deal about the 2017 release.

>>59383265
Visual Studio is an inefficient piece of shit. It's ran like shit on every machine I've ever installed it on.

>>59389039
But JetBrains has better IDEs, costs less, and is on every system so you don't need to worry about transition cost if you're a Windows programmer looking to switch to the unixverse. Plus it's free for college students (and any open-source developer).
M$ should have a shitload of pressure to make their product better.

>>59387988
Depends on the language. If you want an IDE for damn near every language though, only JetBrains has that. Luckily theirs isn't too bad.

>>59387677
You can't download the C plugin for IntelliJ unless you're also paying for CLion. It's one of the few languages they don't offer as a plugin.

>>59382065
>pascal
my nigga