The irishman makes a good point. https://www.youtube.com/wa

>(((AdoredTV)))

>>59368213
>irishman
Nice try, Poojeet.

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He's Scottish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM5XI1plQpU

this man of eastern european origin makes better one

>>59368213
This here is interesting -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40h4skxDkh4&t=3m6s

amd shill please fuck off
just accept that your trash company is finally going bankrupt

It's funny how this board is just all against Ayymd and just shit-posting non-stop about them even if they have the potential to be viable.

Info for those that want to know about Ryzen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sciuiEcrnzg&t=1228s

>>59368213
>and with more companies optimizing for AMD/more cores, AMD CPUs like Ryzen will only get better.

nigga they've been saying this shit since 2011

Also I can't wait for AMD Nipples server chips to have 0 fucking customers because nobody wants to run a 250w fire hazard

>>59368623
Lol this board is very receptive to ryzen except for a couple intel samefags who you can tell are samefags because they have the same posting style in every single thread.

>>59368649
>being this delusional
>everyone that disagrees with me and presents objective facts that counter my ayymd fairytale story are just paid intel shill samefags
Kindly off yourself, anon. This board would be a better place if you did.

>>59368668
I know this is an anonymous imageboard but you stick out like you have a username, lol. You post the same stupid stuff in every thread

>>59368668
There's been like one guy running around spamming the exact same shit benchmarks in every thread. It's been going on for a week now

>>59368213
Low resolution benches have been done since Dr. Thomas Pabst actually ran and wrote Tom's Hardware. They an excellent test, part of any well rounded testing regimen.

And yes 8 core will become increasingly relevant over time but not substantially over Zen 1's working life.

CPUs do not age like wine and there are very real internal shortcomings of Zen 1 that can't be overcome easily.

Zen 2 will be great but right now bang for buck ans pound for pound there are better buys for 98% of people.

>>59368708
>believing there will be a Zen 2

AMD's on its death-bed my dude, they won't even be able to roll out naples

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>AMD CPUs like Ryzen will only get better.
They better not get even worse

>>59368213
except 2500k is still better for gaming than 8350/8370
kys

>>59368708
>And yes 8 core will become increasingly relevant

They've been saying that since the fucking Phenom and it has yet to happen.

>>59369394
nope it's same thing now

>>59368213
>the 8370 overtook the 2500k
Overclocked 2500k shits all over it, it's not even close. I'm not against AMD, I'm using it myself but just fuck off, shill.

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>>59369394

>>59369601
Visheras overclock to 4.7-5ghz. Why are you acting like only the 2500k can be overclocked?

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>>59368213
>Ryzen will only get better

>8370 overtook the 2500k
I stopped reading after this

>>59370526
remember when X99 chipset was released and it was complete utter shit

>>59370607
Rembemer when AMD released a good gaming CPU?

Why would you buy a Ryzen CPU when a cheaper i5 is better? Sure Ryzen is good for production but it isn't good for gaming. Even if it does get better it wont be for a long time.

>>59370673
>Rembemer when AMD released a good gaming CPU?
Yes, I'm not underage

>>59370587
>>59370495

>>59370673
most people are waiting for the 4c/8t Ryzen 5

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>>59368213
Agreed. It will get better, JUST like Bulldozer did.

>>59370673
>gaming
>CPU

When /g/ became this illiterate retard? your CPU barely matters for video games son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0TG-oUyDc

>>59370991
Depends on the game. It's not uncommon for poorly optimized games to bottleneck on the CPU, especially if you're going for 144+.

>>59370991
>>59371076
Fuck I meant to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCq8Qk9wjY

That other video is not what I meant, still interesting though.

>>59370991
there are exceptions, like Arma 3

>>59368683
>amd hates benchmarks because they show bad performance on ryzen
Hmmm, really makes you think.

>>59372333
Hi samefag shill anon.

>>59370607
It still is shit. Hilariously overpriced shit.

>>59372362
>everybody who disagrees with me or thinks of me badly is the same person
Hmmmmm

>>59372392
>implying it's not true
Might as well get a trip, m8.

>>59372412
>everybody who disagrees with me or thinks of me badly is the same person
>proof? I believe it so, thus it must be true
Boy aren't you pathetic.

>>59372428
>says the samefag shill
How much do you get paid for spamming a chinese cartoon image board?

>>59372458
>everybody who disagrees with me or thinks of me badly is the same person

>>59372471
You should change up you posting style so it's not so easy to tell then.

>>59372492
>everybody who disagrees with me or thinks of me badly is the same person

>>59372492
>everybody who disagrees with me or thinks of me badly is the same person

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Someone post the amdrone starter kit and update it with the fat joker wearing his amd tshirt.

>>59368213
Ryzen have huge core parking during games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40h4skxDkh4

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>>59368571
>>59368623
>>59368639
>>59368649
>>59368668
>>59368682
>>59368683
>>59368756
as best as i can tell, intel is paying shills to shitpost the chans. seems like exactly the type of jew tactics intel would employ

>>59372556
So its basically bulldozer arch again? Nice.
Again AMD is lying with those fakes cores when 2 cores are actually only one.

>>59373171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWcOcHQWDc
>A bug that makes benchmarks look better than they actually are

>>59373167
>always accuse your enemy of what you yourself are doing
AMD was misleading in their promo materials and are now reaping what they've sewn. get fucked, AMDtard

>>59373167
Meanwhile plebbit /r/amd mods are proven Red Team+ members who delete any kind of bad press.

>>59373297
nice amd cant even proper clock

>>59373297
>>59373769
It's a Windows 8.1/10 bug and not a bug with the CPUs.

>>59368213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj7wnRA1yDo

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HERHZLFnqE

>>59368213
Hardware unboxed just did testing for the 2500k vs FX 8 core
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76-8-4qcpPo&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

>>59375640
>>59375946
>>59376306
>>59373297
AYYMDPOOJEETS BTFO

>>59368625

Bulldozers were complete shit, not matter their core count and they were more of 4 core 8 thread CPUs than actual 8 cores.

Tbh, AMD should have waited untill their sorted the shit out with Microsoft, programmers and mobo manufacturers rather than rushing and releasing a bugged CPU.

>Tfw waited for the reviews
>Tfw knew 6 core R5 would be the sweet spot thanks to it's increased L3 cache per core

>>59368213
scottish.
but sameshit anyway.

>>59368346
poojeet have a roll in the tongue mainly because how hindi/tamil sounds.

scottish sounds more like, eyyy.

>>59375946
wew lad

>>59376306
Adoretard completely btfo. AMDtards still link his shitty vids.

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BREAKING NEWS :

IRISHMAN ABSOLUTELY BUTTBLASTS WORLDWIDE TECH PRESS WITH ONLY A BOTTLE OF GUINESS AND A CRUMPET

>>59375946
AHAHAHAHAHA POOTEL BTFO

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>>59370991
>skip to random aprt
>g4520 edged out 6700K by 0.2 fps
>6700Kmin fps is 40soemthing
>g4520 is 8.5

wew

>>59376429
well, they didn't expect for games to MATTER THAT MUCH

they are top tier in anything but games, in games it's just good but not the best

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>>59372516

>>59372516
fuck off pudo pootel

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>i should buy an amd cpu becuase after 5 years of getting rekt by an i5, it will eventually beat it.

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>>59372516

>>59377562
>someone took time to make this
pure autism

He's Irish/Scotish yet for some fucking reason has the German Translation for Google Chrome activated over English.

>>59377536
I never used a single AMD CPU my whole life and the only AMD GPU I used was the 5770 and even I can see that your wording is retarded as fuck and only instigates shitposting, kys famalan.

>i should buy an amd cpu because after 5 years its performance improved gradually, making it a better value for being both cheaper and later better in performance
Leave /g/, this place would be heaven with neckbeards like you gone.

>>59376429
Also the 4 core 8 thread R5 would be a killer for $179 if the leaks are to be trusted.

>irishman

I know what you're doing and I'm still triggered, cunt.

>>59368213
The 2500K is fast enough to emulate PS2, PS3, GameCube, Wii, WiiU, 3DS and Xbox 360 games.

The FX-8370 isn't.

>>59368975
> tfw bulldozers gains were so huge that they caused an integer overflow and you were stuck on Phenoms.

>>59369420
Watch Dogs 2 scales with cores.
Both major home consoles have moar-coars designs.

It's happening.

>>59378639
4c R5 will be good if it's one fully working CCX. otherwise it will share the fate of the 6c and 8c models, which will depend on the OS/software support for what is basically NUMA-on-a-chip.

So, we're in the early adopter phase, if people didn't expect this with a completely new architecture it's your own fault.

Hopefully over the next 6 months things will get smoothed over, right now i think motherboards are probably the biggest concern, with optimisation being second.

>>59379402
But you AMD shills promised Zen for 2H 2016 and now we have to wait until 2018?

>>59379402
>ryzen
>completely new

Anon, i, i just. Don't you know, ryzen is literally an overclocked version of Jaguar?

>>59379434
It did technically release in H2 2016, since fiscal 2017 doesn't start until April.

I'm currently using 6 Intel CPUs:

>i3 4010u
>i5 4300u
>i5 2500k
>i7 4770k
>Xeon L5640
>Xeon E5-2650 v2

I personally welcome every kind of competition and would it be time to replace the 4770k or 2500k I'd get a Ryzen to prevent AMD from dying and Intel turning full jewmode

>>59379552
also forgot my Router:

>E3-1220L v2

>>59368213
> low resolution game benchmarks are ass
What are you benchmarking, CPU or GPU? low-res, low settings are there to make sure GPU isn't bottlenecking a benchmarking process.

>>59379728
Yeah but nobody does gayming at 800x600 so they're not really relevant, even if one processor gets 290 fps and the other 300.

>>59369420
Bulldozer 8 cores were actually 4 cores slapped with some meme subcore
Wait ryzen is doing the same shit, they call it "core" with two embedded cores

It seen amd keep doing the same poor arch over again

>>59374663
Amd can't even clock right
>It's a windows bug
Right because you need a multithread process to display a clock

>>59379728
GPU still bottlenecks, it has interference, most of the time it's half random.
it's retarded way to test CPU.

Real way, and the hard way, to test CPU(and GPU) would be frametime analysis of one hour long graph with two-three passes of same length per one game.
You would know which CPU has stutter issues which doesn't, also averages would be much more precisely calculated and it would be much easier to predict how it will behave in future.

Histograms is another way, but not a full picture good compromise. They are slightly harder to explain.

How it's done now for 95% of reviews- reviewer chooses stretch of land he runs through for 30-50 seconds(essentially not playing the game) and calculates averages from those 30-60 seconds. It's shit method.
Games are much more complicated than this, different places get different results(ie watchdogs2 in some places 7700k just dies compared to 8cores).

>>59379231
The 8370 can run Demon Souls.

The 2500k can't.

>>59379908
RTC bug is in everything Intel except kaby fyi.

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>>59379911
That is right. We need to bench only at 4k because it shows how good and is in the future
>Buy now the future will be better

Also do you realize people out there have graphic cards capable of doing high frame rate at 1440p? Also there is a ton of people using 1080p, the spot where all those benches showed ryzen is inferior.

Look I'm not dumb ryzen is not a bad CPU it's decent, but it's not the fastest gaming CPU. It's not even a debate. If you want a 8 core CPU with decent price it's probably a good one and is it.

>>59379847
Benchmark test are not relative to anything. They are merely a repeatable process you can observe.

Have you ever seen a gaming benchmark run? It does not usually represent normal real-world gameplay.

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But you're wrong OP, my brother's PC has an fx8370 @ 5ghz and I have an i5 2500k @ 4.6ghz.

CPU needy games are massively worse on his system even with a better GPU (he has a GTX 1080, I have an R9 290). Dayz runs like shit and so does Arma 3, yet runs fine on my system. GTA5 is another one that runs noticably better on my system.

He bought into the 8 COARZ and ghz bullshit and now he's saving to build with an 7700K after seeing how ryzen isn't suited for games either. He rants about AMD lying to people and says he'll never buy AMD again.

I'm excited about the 4c/8t and 6c/12t ryzens and hope AMD fixes whatever issue those CPUs have in because I don't want to be forced to pay $250 to have the baseline high performance CPU option, but saying bulldozer and vishera were anything besides turds is just ignorant.

>>59379956
Only retarded /v/ kiddies think 8 core 16 thread CPUs are for video games

>>59379990
>Only retarded /v/ kiddies think 8 core 16 thread CPUs are for video games
AMD confirmed for being /v/

>>59379956
I'm just ranting about general methodology. Not the resolution.
All they do is showcase possible, limited stretch of gameplay it may vary tenfold on different hardware combination with same GPU and CPU. And pretend to call it "scientific", when real "scientific" would've been extensive, long term testing. Isn't it how it's done with variable systems, like gases or fluids?
That's why people watch long gameplay videos with telemetry to understand if hardware decent enough or not.

>>59379978
>I'm excited about the 4c/8t
Same, the two core complex thing was a retarded idea.

>>59379998
>AMD said you can use the CPUs to play video games with, that means that was the sole purpose to release an 8 core 16 thread CPU that competes with the 6900k
Back to /v/, child

>>59380010
>the two core complex thing was a retarded idea.

that's what everyone said about core duo,but here we are 12 years later.

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>mfw poojeet shills his rypoo near me

>>59378131
>after 5 years its performance improved gradually
So it takes 5 years for AMD to finally release drivers that unleash the full potential of their products?

>making it a better value for being both cheaper and later better in performance
Welp, better wait 5 years then to buy Ryzen then.

>>59368213
>AMD CPUs like Ryzen will only get better.
like always when amd makes something
will not is
call me when the will arrived
i am not willing to pay for gimped hardware

>>59368683
It's not even the same benchmarks.

The have the

>>59380091
>Welp, better wait 5 years then to buy Ryzen then.
The point is that you buy the product on release, being satisfied with the performance then, with the additional bonus of having 5 years worth of significant updates.

>>59379552
Honestly. It's hard to tell if this is trolling or just autism and these fags actually want AMD to fail, but anyone who things that the 7700K wouldn't cost $599 of they didn't have to compete with AMD is retarded. AMD being successful is a good thing for the entire industry.

>>59368213
Hardware unboxed just dug adored tv's grave for him by utterly BTFO'ing his rash claims

>>59372333
day one benchmarks are simply wrong for ryzen but no one on intels side will post anything but day one.

a bios update got pushed for many boards a day before launch, and a fuckload of outlets refused to retest.

then you also have the whole 8 cores is better then 4 cores but is unbenchable truth. hell the last time i seen someone try to bench this was linus back with hassell e

Not even sure how you would bench it effectively, you would have to artificially load cores to make benches fair. possibly render a video but limit it to 1 core for each benchmark, that way you see the load balancing when the cpu has a demand,and do it up through 3 cores, just to be as fair as possible to the i7

>>59376999
>>59376429
bulldozers had their place as render cpus beating out i7' handily till you either went extreme edition 6/8 cores or till haswell 4790k

after that it was just an option if you were poor as fuck, as I would take a 6/8 "core" amd over a dual core or dual core 4 thread intel.

on the just wait side, if you don't launch they drag their fucking dicks never doing anything. amd was likely working with microsoft the entire time with zen, at least after the new horizons event, but microsoft refused to do anything.

now that zen is out and selling better then anyone ever had any idea it would, they are now under the spotlight.

>>59368213
it's trash and will only get trashier, don't listen to the shills

/thread

>>59380131
honestly considering getting a zen now, then getting a zen+ when it comes out and turning my then current zen into a small multimedia/render offload box with some cheap ram and a cheap motherboard.

if the 8 core keeps enough of its value, may sell it and buy a zen+ and a zen+ apu/4core fucked apu processor.

hard to decided really, but I know I am getting an 8 core before spring really comes.

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>>59368213
>this NEW product from AMD will RAPE and BTFO Intel/Nvidia so hard they might as well declare bankruptcy before it even releases!
>???
>it will get better, we promise...
>muh AMD will age like fine wine...

You really can't make this shit up.

>>59380947
I'm probably getting an 8 core zen+ to use as a server. I'm not going to be moving until at least summer so I can wait.

>>59380228
looking at 8370 vs 7700k benchmark scores, I could see quite a few people telling intel to go fuck themselves if the cpu was even just 400$ much less 600$

>>59380983
Need one because my current motherboard and cpu cook themselves even in the cold of winter. As its my only computer and i'm honestly afraid the thermal paste has solidified, I don't want to risk applying new stuff and be without a computer.

>>59380987
>if they didn't have to compete with AMD

>>59376306
>AdoredTV claimed
480p/720p low settings
>Unboxing tested
1080p high quality

really makes you think.

>>59379959
you benchmark a video game at lets say 1080p ultra, 1440 ultra and 4k high, it tells you what your real world use of the cpu/gpu will be

you benchmark at 480/640/800/720p lowest settings, it just shows how theoretically far the game could be pushed before a cpu bottleneck would happen, not the actual performance you will get out of the cpu in games, ok, at 640 counterstrike can be pushed to 600fps on one, 300+ on the other, now apply a real world use case, the cpu is limited to 144fps, maybe 240 if the monitor is out, if the gpu can push it at 1080/1440/4k with 4k only pushing 60fps anyway.

At that point the fact you have more cores load balances the system better, which is why you see some games with better minimus from amd, probably significantly more when microsoft stops shoving shit from one complex to another for no reason.

>>59370495
Are you fucking pretending to be retarded? Every gaymer knows that the whole point of 2500k is overclocking, going from 3.3 base to 4.8+ ghz easily on air is a massive jump, whereas the fx goes 4 -> 4.8. They're not even close when both are overclocked.

>>59368213
The Piledriver v i5-2500K numbers he quotes are rather contested - most benchmarks show the former never "caught up" to the latter, and only in very heavily threaded games is it competitive.

Otherwise, I agree with him. Low resolution, intentionally CPU-bottlenecking tests are retarded and not useful.

>>59368213
If you complain about low resolution gaming benchmarks for CPU's then you're tech illiterate

>>59381001
My thermal paste solidified as well, but that was after 2 years I think. There is not much risk anyway, the socket of Intel boards will hold the chip in place really securely. On AMD boards it's a bit trickier to do, I helped my friend remove his CPU after 4 years or so, and I actually had to rip the cooler out of the socket with the chip still attached to it, it was that stuck. If you can reach the handle that will help a lot, needless to say, only a few pins were bent a little and it was still working fine.

>>59381102
Its been on there 7 years and god knows the paste wasn't good to begin with.

ill have ryzen before the month is over if motherboards are available so it's not an issue, just something i'll deal with when i have a second computer.

>>59368213
https://youtu.be/76-8-4qcpPo
Better Video.

your irishman is full of shit.

>>59370991
PC gaming is about high refresh rate 144+ (including better input devices), and CPU is usually the bottleneck at high frame rates.

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>>59379978
You can laugh at him for being cuck and buying delid lake. Enjoy your patrician soldered i5 while drinking fine wine with your 290-chan. - guy who got memed on by 4790k with shit TIM

>>59381190
regardless of which one you get there is no pushing everything.

the 1700 at least has a chance especially at the rate its selling, and if the 6 core becomes the happy medium.

>>59380006
Mostly benchs were done with 1080p and it's fine because it's still be most common resolution.
The majority of tests except joker and other shills show somewhat slower performance usually around 10℅ with certain cases +30℅ albeit cases were devs will patch.

Like I said, it's already know it's slower in games, nothing really bad, the problem is amd marketed this shit like a gaming Uber machine when it's clearly not the case.

Amd fucked their game with lack of Mobo's and a shit release. I still wanna know SLI performance and didn't see anyone commenting it.

>>59380024
It's not a better idea, it's a cheaper and watt perforlant way to do a similar thing Intel does, but with limitations.

>>59368213
This Jock bollock i a fucking amd fanboy. He has spouted so much bullshit in the past most people just watch to laugh at how inept he is

>>59373167
>calls intel "jew"
>Doesnt fucking realise a huge amount of AMDs shareholders are jews

>>59382050
The thing is joker does more to damage amd reputation than to improve because he is a fucking manchild

>>59382102
>shareholder == company

>>59368213
>wait for ryzen
>wait for devs to optimize for ryzen
>wait for vega
No thanks.

>>59381886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BORHnYLLgyY
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbryPYcnscA

there is 20% lost all over the place just for rendering, how much of it lost on physics and AI? nobody can measure that

If it gets fixed, which is not that hard really, it's going to be 6900K. Raw power is there.

>>59382355
So what we really need is for Windows to assign to a single CCX when running games to improve performance instead of randomly throwing across different Cores/SMTs like it current does. This would account for the odd scores people are seeing.

>>59382878
also BIOS and motherboard RAM support not suck, which would take longer

windows patch is at least end of march not earlier, people say it got on fast ring already

there was hope it would get here tomorrow, but nope, MS got it's own pace

>>59370991
Except the cpu sends instructions to the gpu

The cpu matters alot, just look at gta v

>>59379890
>Bulldozer 8 cores were actually 4 cores slapped with some meme subcore
Wrong. 8 AGUs but 4 FPUs. They were 8 real cores that shared an FPU and cache between another.
Just turned out that applications started to more heavily use floats.
>Wait ryzen is doing the same shit, they call it "core" with two embedded cores
what the fuck are you even talking about. I give up on you

>>59383069
You're a fucking idiot and missed the point. No shit the CPU sends instructions to the GPU. The CPU can handle the load to offload this data to the GPU where it's actually doing the processing for most games though.

GTAV is a bad example of CPU heavy games, GTAV is VRAM heavy, If you want to go from okay settings to ultra you want a fuckton of VRAM, which is- surprise surprise- on the GPU.

>>59381049

>>59377562
Where was joker disproved and corrected his benchmarks?

>>59379978
He probably has wrong memory
wrong cpu-nb clock
wrong nt clock
also his games are wrong
this is not a gaming cpu it's for professional cinebench usage

>>59381165
>games mattering
Back to /v/