>install Linux, coming from Windows 10 >boot is slower

>>59362438
you got memed.

>>59362438
Nope: The Post

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>linux in the current year

i dont know how you can fuck up an install of linux this badly

linux is the best man its like just the freakin best

>>59362438
On my laptop it's the other way around. The only thing windows does better is that it drains way less power than my ubuntu 14.04 install.

What distro did you get?

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>>59362468
haha epic post my man

have dell intel celery from '02
>>install xp, laggy as fuck
>>install slitaz, everything is fast

you're doing it wrong

>>59362472
Ubuntu 16.10, also tried Arch.

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>>59362438
>boot is slower than Windows 10
Stopped here.

You should give up, reinstall windows 10, never use linux again. Also don't try to work in technology, it is also a meme and there are no jobs.

You're so smart anon.

>>59362485
What sort of computer? On my laptop I once fucked up grub so it took four times longer to boot because it decided to draw the menu slow as fuck every time, does it do that for you too? When done right it takes around 10-12 secs for me before it's good to go (well, until it decided to be a massive bitch and only boot when it felt like it because I bought lenovo, but that's beside the point since it happens before the OS is loaded)

>>59362438
Wtf i hate Linux OS now

>>59362438
>Seriously, where does the "linux is faster" meme come from?

people that never used windows 10.

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OP here, my main theory is that Windows heavy caches frequently used programs and files in RAM (I have 12 GB of RAM so there's plenty of room for that) in a way Linux doesn't do (despite it's a thing all modern OSes do, or should do). Windows feels very, very snappy on this machine to be honest, despite the fact it's a shitty 600€ Lenovo laptop with a 5200rpm hard disk. Also the laggy scrolling could be a thing of the graphics drivers.

Not wanting to start a shitty OS war thread, but Linux was significantly slower than W10 for me. I haven't deleted the Linux partition but I don't see myself switching full time anytime soon.

>>59362504
most people that work in tech use osx.

>>59362530
W7 is much faster than 10.

Linux is a bad kernel and GNU is a bad userland.

>>59362438
Everything is pretty much instant here.

>>59362565
W7 is faster than every Linux distro but it's still slower than W10.

>>59362598
wot

>>59362438
The ext4 is faster than ntfs, so it doesn't make any sense.
>>webpages load more slowly
>>scrolling in heavy websites is laggy
If you used chrome, the gpu acceleration can slow it down to oblivion if the driver isn't supported.

>>59362598
>W7 is faster than every Linux distro
Prove your claim.

>>59362598
I blame neo-/g/ for this idiotism.

>>59362533
>Ruby on rails.
>Visual Studio.
>Hello world.rb
>W10 is better.
Get cancer and die

>>59362553
most faggots that work in tech use osx
FTFY

>>59362634
Pence should solve this.

>>59362618
I use Visual Studio at my job and I want to learn Ruby on Rails. And yes, Linux is slower for me. Care to explain the problem, NEET?

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>>59362674
If you want to learn RoR you are already a retard, dont need to explain anything ,Carlos

>>59362674
Ruby on rails is not worth learning at this point unless you work, or plan to work, at one of the orgs that got memed into it and now can't afford to move away.

I would honestly recommend node.js before ror, at least node.js is still in full meme mode and appearing in places it absolutely should not.

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linux is for redditors

>>59362687
Whatever NEET ;)

>>59362689
Just doing it for leisure, not planning to work with it. I recently discovered Ruby and I liked it.

>>59362598
No. Windows 7 is the fastest.

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>>59362533
Yeah Win10 shitting the bed with registry bloat and ntfs fragmentation diarrhea is the optimal solution
You seriously think a modern OS doesn't have proper paging in 2017?
>stupid wetback
tienes que volver atras

whenever i click the start menu in w10 there is like half a second of delay before it actually shows up. it drives me nuts

w10 sucks desu
the touch-like gui is awful as well

>>59362438
You really would do that?
Go and tell lies on the internet?

Funny, it's the reverse for me. Ubuntu 16.10 is boatloads faster than 10, arch even more so, it was FreeBSD the slowest on desktop out of em all strangely

>>59362690
t. manbabby

>>59362823
>I don't know shit about operating systems
Windows 10 is still faster ;)

Call me back when Linux implements basic desktop OS facilities like SuperFetch or the OS X equivalent.

The only case when Linux is "faster" is when you use a 100 kb minimalistic WM. Linux is a server OS unoptimized for desktop usage.

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The linux desktop is an oxymoron. Linux was never even meant to have a GUI. It's meant for server farms and super computers. The linux desktop will always fail. The desperate attempt to make linux for normal users is fruitless.

>>59362922
Call me back when Wangdos doesn't shit itself and BSODs for basic tasks like searching through the filesystem

>>59362936
>>59362969
Don't you have a street to shit in?

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>>59362438
>mfw debian boots in 15 seconds on one of my p4 shitboxes

>>59362922
>doesn't know anything about memory or operating systems
>desktop features matter
Found the /v/ manchild.
You need to go back.
>>59362936
Yeah no. The largest DE (KDE Plasma) is still miles faster than Windows.
>>59362969
"No"
Linux just works. Unlike Windows where you have to download 30 drivers just to have a working resolution.
>muh gaymes
No one cares you manchild.

>>59362990
Where the fuck in my post did I mention games you fucking twat?

>>59363006
That's the only thing Linux doesn't have over Windows on the desktop.
Saying the Linux desktop is an oxymoron implies being a gayming manbabby.
Based on how triggered you sound I'd say I was right anyways.

>>59363020
You're a fucking moron. If anything my post implies that I hate normies who use windows and desktops in general because I'd rather work on server-ride shit. Kill yourself you autistic fucking cunt.

>>59363045
>being this butt mad
You are most definitely either a normie or an adult child

>>59363088
You decided what you wanted to say before reading post. You read the first statement "linux desktop is an oxymoron" and started happily sperging about about how gay video games are, without realizing that my post had nothing to fucking do with video games in the first place. Kill yourself.

>>59362598
>Windows 7 is faster than every distro
nope.jpg
>it's still slower than W10
NOPE.jpg

>>59363268
>nope.jpg
>NOPE.jpg
Dumbass.

>>59362971
Ok, where can I call you?

where the arch tards with 4 seconds boot?
post'em

>>59362533
>death grips

SUBATOMIC! PENENTRATION! RAPID! FIRE! THROUGH! YOUR! SKUUUUUUUULLL!

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>>59362438
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Linux is for hipsters because they want to avoid being mainstream with no games or good software.

>>59362438
Windows 10 takes full advantage of modern hardware to cache everything, and the entire UI is hardware accelerated. Linux is slow as fuck because it's still basically stuck in the mid-90's.in terms of how it treats hardware.

>>59362498
openSUSE boots very slow. But this isn't a problem since you should only shut down your PC for updates.

OP: Linux should boot faster than windows, make sure you dont let Win 10 trick boot but do a full cold boot or also let linux unsuspend from RAM or SSD.

>>59364013
No, Linux is ahead on most hardware.

Which is why big enterprises use it to throw around a hundred thousand containerized VM instances of it and stuff like that.

>>59364074
That has nothing to do with how a desktop user experiences Linux.

My untweaked Linux takes 5.61s kernel + 4.79s userspace. Cold boot, of course. And it does start a bunch of extra things.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://superuser.com/questions/227939/how-to-make-the-pc-speaker-beep-from-the-windows-7-command-prompt

>windows
>user friendly

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>59364085
Surprise surprise, most desktop users are retarded.

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Why are there so fucking many Linux distributions? They're already strained for resources, combining all their efforts into making one or two Linux distributions would result in Linux being a lot more polished and usable.

>>59364085
It doesn't?

If you are using W10's hiberboot, then you might as well do the same on Linux.

>>59364119
not really

>>59364119
>I hate choices, the should be only one option available
Thank you for your input shlomo.

>>59364119
If you concentrate resources, you can have a shitty Windows botnet of slowness or no features OSX!

No thanks, these already are enough if you want THAT.

>>59364163
They're all the fucking same.

>>59362518
>I once fucked up grub
"I once fucked up the boot loader" and that's all anyone needs to know about desktop Linux. Pathetic shit that would never happen on Windows or Mac happens.

>>59362438
Not for your.
Go back to microsoft
Linux is not "general purpose" operating system.

>>59364177
You know that I can delete registry files too, right?

>>59362438
Thanks for the daily reminder that /v/ has invaded this board.

>>59362990
>largest DE (KDE Plasma) is still miles faster than Windows.
It really isn't. Please use a trip so I can discard all your opinions from now on as you keep posting lies.

>>59364013
This is pretty accurate imho.

>>59364119
Because Linus never told them to settle on a GUI or implement a non crap software management system

>>59364172
>Oy vey goy, all the races are the same. There shouldn't be a choice.

Linux is so fast on the desktop that Wayland is unneeded, right Linuxtards?

>>59364217
It's 2017. unless you're intentionally installing shitty software from 10 years ago, you'll never need to touch the registry. However adjusting a configuration file in Linux is practically gaurenteed and a million times easier to screw up.

>>59362530
windows 10 is slow as fuck with gui lags

>>59362482
This. Only I'm using a chinkpad. Browsing is super smooth and applications load not any slower than on windows.

>>59362504
>Also don't try to work in technology, it is also a meme and there are no jobs.
That's actually true where I live.

>>59364303
and you don't even need to touch those configuration files if you're installing a distro pre-packaged for desktop use

>>59362438
How can something faster with system requirements like 2GB ram? Fuck logic.

>>59364303
You hardly ever need to touch the config files and if you do, just delete it to get a fresh one

>>59364354
>Not having a backup.

>>59364119
The thing about Linux having a multitude of flavors is that one of them is likely to suit your needs
>General usability
Ubuntu, Mint, or any of their flavors
>Portability
Porteus, Lubuntu, some flavors of Puppy
>Security anywhere
TAILS
>Debugging/Stress-testing
Kali or whatever you can come up with
>Building from scratch
Arch, Gentoo

How are image editing programs so fucking bad on Linux/GNU

>>59364354
The reason you needed to touch them is why a fresh one won't work.

>>59364403
Because dualboot XP you mong.

>>59364410
If you're building them from scratch. Idiot-proof distros like Ubuntu or Mint will work out of the box.

>>59364436
You can lie as much as you want about not needing to touch config files, but I've never gone a week on any distro without needing to touch them for some stupid reason that wouldn't exist outside of the Linux/Unix clones

>>59364500
Like what?

>>59364500
You can lie as much as you want as well about needing to touch the config files every single time.

The macbook pro with retina display does not have this problem.

>>59362438
fuck off microshill

every single point is a lie

where they are at now

this disgusting, discredited, criminal company

>>59364344
Doesn't SteamOS require like 4GB? I think it's faster than most distros too.

>>59364119
why is there CHOICE?

>>59362438
microshills are in panic mode
they are finished in mobile and their platform OS is nowhere .. NOBODY WRITES APPLICATIONS FOR IT ANYMORE

>>59364566
Too much choice can be a bad thing, you don't need 1,000 different flavors of ice cream.

>>59364606
You're wrong goldberg

>>59364606
>having 5 or 6 desktop envroiments is too much choice

>>59362438
Does Linux also misdirect your poo?

>>59362689
You are getting off-topic here lad.

>>59364645
When there's literally 300 distros, there's a lot of people working on essentially the same thing that could benefit from combining their efforts.

>>59363088
You are getting off-topic here lad.

>>59364098
Is your graphics card supported?
Does that matter in booting?

>>59364193
Yes it may not be for me but I am in the process of learning programming. That means I am getting to your point.

>>59364755
>300
most of those are just forks

>>59364551
Base your replies on logical arguments mister.

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So what if I want to use unity, photoshop, premiere, and actually test what I make? Is it still bad to use windows? What if I have 5 monitors, two graphics cards and eight hard drives?

I don't actually know if the second half of that matters, when it comes to linux.

Is there any functional alternative that is actually comparable to the adobe suite yet? Serious question here, I honestly want off this ride. I know unity sort of functions on Ubuntu.

>>59364831
Emulator an sheeeeeit.

>>59364846
So running windows in a virtual machine with a gpu passthough then? Using WineIsNotanEmulator? Whats the point of using linux then?

>>59364891
The point is that not everyone needs to use Photoshop like you. If you want the Adobe Suite you better stay on Windows/Mac.

>>59364891
It was a satirical reply.
Linux is only good for programming and that too if your hardware has support for it.

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>>59364921
So there IS no alternative? Even for more basic shit like making textures and normal maps?

>>59364926
I've been reading the Linux meme for years and honestly was hoping there'd be something for me. Guess not.

Thanks anyway guys.

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>>59364118
>lunix needs tweaks out of the box to not suck compared to windows
>said tweaks are usually obscure config file editing or command line fuckery
>users are "retarded" for not wanting to deal with this

>>59364937
If your graphics card is supported then go for it because Win10 is a filthy pile of mess which just happens to be popular anyways.
But if not stay way from it.
I have been suffering from this problem for so long.
2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst-fglrx-driver

>>59364958
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst-fglrx-driver-16-04

>>59364937
If you only want to use Photoshop, I don't see how could there be an alternative for you.

>>59364950
just werks for me

>>59364979
It's not only about photoshop. I have been suffering problems related to graphics card support in Ubuntu. My graphics card (AMD Radeon) is not supported :(

>>59364995
What is your graphic card?

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>>59364958
...but she's mine.

Only ""upgraded"" to 10 because I knew that 7 would be dropped from support of most of the shit I was using within two years. Here we are, and half the shit I use now requires workarounds to even function, forget functioning well. Pretty sure they don't even update the gpu drivers for 7 anymore.

>>59364979
Well, the idea is I don't want to be shackled to the ecosystem meme, and I want off. Any alternative will do. Is Gimp any good? Last time I used it I was in grade school. I heard blender apparently can edit video, but nothing else.

>>59365024
I don't know, try it maybe? How complex can a texture get? For video editing there's also DaVinci Resolve but I don't know about video editing.

>>59365024
>Gimp any good?
No. It can be used to make things, but photoshop is leaps and bounds better at everything.
> I heard blender apparently can edit video, but nothing else.
What? That's not what it's even for. And no, there is no Linux video editor remotely as good as commercial alternatives.

>>59365118
Blender isn't FOR video editing, but it is actually very good at it.

>>59365024
Try Krita if you were accustomed to Kai or something.

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>>59365082
> DaVinci Resolve
Tried that the first day it was out. Litterally windows movie maker with heavy emphasis on color grading and the most retarded gpu acceleration I've ever seen. It ONLY uses gpu0, which is fine, but you can't have any video output from it. It just has to be a rendering card and nothing else. I asked on their forums and they all bitched at me for not having a dedicated GPU just for color grading.

Fucking photographers and vloggers, the lot of them.

>>59365082
>How complex can a texture get?
Depends. This is one of the more simple UV's I have to work with. 6k x 6k.

>>59365118
Fuck. Seems I'll be on this wild ride for the next fucking decade then.

>>59365159
How good? Does it have effects, plugins and gpu acceleration? Does it support 1080p60?

>>59365170
Looks pretty good, actually. I do some concept art sketches on the side, so this'll be useful. Normally I use Sai, which is what I assume you meant. Thanks, anon.

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>>59365012
Here it is!

>>59362438
You forgot about it being a botnet like windows 10

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>>59365211
>a mobile chip
Sorry. Hope you never have to work with anything even vaguely related to graphics design.

>>59364755
There are actually a few:
-Gentoo
-Arch
-Debian
-Slackware
-CentOS

>>59365211
It should work in Ubuntu 14.04 (not in 14.04.5)

>>59365240
How do know it's a mobile chip?
If it is why is it in a laptop?
Does that mean windows will have same issues?
I paid 1/6 yearly salary for this thing. Seems like Dell fucked me like I am a black sex slave.
:( )$==========3

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>>59365171
> How good?
Good?
> Does it have effects, plugins and gpu acceleration? Does it support 1080p60?
Yes.

But it's not a classic idiot editor. It's set up to work like a powerful 3D / professional video editor. It's not a collection of fancy buttons in a ribbon UI that do one thing only.

>>59365283
>paying more than 400 smackers for a laptop

Anon...

>>59364546
Neither does my 600€ Lenovo laptop with Windows 10. The point is Linux is shit for desktop usage no matter which hardware do you own.

>>59365291
Well, you certainly have my attention. Is there a simple Open > Layout > videoediting kinda deal, or do I need to do some fuckery to edit shit?

>>59362438
can you provide some proof or are we suppose to just take your word for it?

>>59362438
Didn't even know the Linux kernel had all this functionality.

>>59365318
not him and yes

The macbook pro with retina display does not have this problem.

the sole reason to even boot into windows in 2017 is to play some StarCitizen or Conan Exiles.

eventually when they make a linux version i can get rid of this piece of shit

>>59365318
It's that. You open the video editing view.

But you'll still need a few tutorials if you never used Blender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pe_u8zd2e0

Because after the basics you also have things like render/effects pipelines (IIRC that wasn't the proper Blender terminology, but I hope you get what you mean if you watch the video), which you can use to, say, stabilize video, among many other things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6hAIG49_zY

>>59364532
the linuxfags in this thread (and /g/ in general) are hilarious lmao

they try so hard to make it seem like using desktop linux isn't babysitting your os

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>>59365379
>StarCitizen

>>59364177
Jokes on you, I fucked up the Windows Boot Manager more often than GRUB.

>>59365370
My macbook pro with retina display doesn't (properly) wake from in both Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 D:

>>59365429
redditards are hilarious lmao
they try so hard to make it seem like using a linux desktop requires a CS degree

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>>59365283
pls reply to ques

>>59365465
That's 100% because Linux decided to overwrite it when you setup dual boot and had no intention of ever fixing it because they never developed the capability to restore it.

>>59365429
I am not sure about Linux but the Windows code base is surely filthier than a designated shitting street.

>>59362438
> Windows for gaming (+ "working" when you have to work together with retards)
> Linux for working and everything else

did you every try to code under windows? it's beyond retarded.
/thread

>>59365613
You always have to install Windows first, because it fucking rapes every bootmanagement and overwrites everything in the manner "i'm the only OS here". Installing linux afterwards posed NEVER a problem in my whole fucking life, you automatically get the option to boot into any OS at the start.

Where are you guys even getting your information from? it's beyond retarded in this "technology" forum. holy fucking shit have i never seen more technologically retarded kids in one place in my life and i was on multiple huge LANs

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>>59362438
so let me clarify it for you dear OP
loonix taps into the psychic brain power of the user, since most long term lunix are enlightened humans who managed to tap into the psychic web universe, making mental sex with aliens of the past, they bridge the gap between the computer and the almighty power of the psychic hive mind, therefor being faster than windows...
conclusion:
ur retarded.jpeg

>>59362438
Install Gentoo or even arch.
>boot faster than Windows 10
>opening programs faster
>fast serfing
>fast scrolling
>resuming from sleep in 0.4 seconds.
You don't even can prove what you said.

>>59365211
>>59365283
anon... pliz...
laptop = mobile computer
the radeon isn't that bad but because its a mobile version it may be leashed (all graphic cards manufactures do this)
Radeon it self works well on linux, I have a R7 and works pretty well on my desktop,
and unlike nvidia, they should work out of the box with open-source drivers

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>>59367059
>Install Gentoo or even arch
telling this to a normie noob... just don't

>>59364108
Fucking weird batch workarounds.

>>59362438
show proof you run linux, timestamped screenfetch

>>59364403
I'm sorry photoshop is bad how? CS5 and I assume newer versions work fine

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>>59362438
It's no surprise. Windows outperforms Linux in every real world desktop usage test.

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>>59367693
>outperforms Linux in every real world desktop usage test

Shows an example of windows game benchmark vs linux port of a game.
Hm... I wonder... which one will have better results...

Go back to /v/, tech illiterate.

>>59362533
Thanks for the product key faggot

>>59368203
ID is not key, CIA nigger.

>>59368146
If the electric car had been focused on for the last 100 years instead of combustion engines, we would have electric cars with far more range and power than gas.

But that doesn't change the fact that gas cars are faster and have more range than electric cars.

Just like software developers have focused on Windows for the past few decades instead of Linux.

>>59364396
>>Building from scratch
>Arc, Gentoo
Yeah, no, anything less than LFS is just following insrtuctions.

t. gentoo user

>>59362533
Carlooooooooooos

>>59362438
Hi Pajeet, how are things in pooland today?

One poo has been deposited into your loo.

Reminder to myself why i'm never going to install Ubuntu ever again:

- Removing dock cable without suspendig freezes the laptop, and sometimes fucks up my system files as a result.
- Laptop does not detect ethernet network when docking while the system is running, you need to be suspended or restart after docking.
- My Thinkpad 13 speakers makes a loud *pop* each time a sound is played, possibly due to some kernel power savings that i have yet to discover.
- Getting my Bose QC35 bluetooth headphones to work with Ubuntu is straight up masochistic.
- We're in 2017 now, and it is still a pain in the ass to get audio through HDMI with a intel iGPU and different monitors. I don't give a shit about the 15+ audio outputs my sound card can handle, make that garbage pulseaudio automatic and simpler to use.
- It's much better as a VM guest. VirtualBox can run Ubuntu full screen and in seamless mode, and i get the benefit to use a isolated OS purely for programming increasing my productivity.