Linux hate thread > hey my application needs bullshit.so

>>59352196
Tux is adorable ^.^

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>>59352196
>I'll just put it right next to the binary to make sure it gets picked up

Does your ldd broken?

>>59352203
pls be my gf, im very cute and nice

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> hey I want to install a new GCC, this version is a tad too old
> ok here it is in source form, no problem. I'll just compile and make install it.
> hm some weird error? uhhhh ok, I'll use the old one then
> Nope haha! fuck you!

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>>59352308
> turning it off is simple

>>59352196
What's the matter, too stupid to use a package manager?

>>59352308
t. Windows user logic. Disable this camera shit in bios

>>59352319
>my time is valuable
>writes this

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> hey I need to copy paste something into the terminal
> "middle click"
> nope, doesnt fucking work this time randomly
> "ctrl+shift+v"
> oh ok, now it does

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>>59352339

> use package manager
> install package 'ImportantLib'
> "package 'ImportantLib' does not meet requirements, 'bullshit.deb.v013.442 required by package' Installed: bullshit.deb.v013.441"
> install bullshit.deb.v013.442 manually
> start app
> (.text+0x148): undefined reference to `LibFunc::insert(int, char)
> fucking hell
> uninstall bullshit.deb.v013.441
> Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected

>>59352196
There's designated folders for binaries and libraries. What's so hard to understand?
With all the valid reasons to be mad at Linux, why choose this?

>>59352308
You forgot to show the endless clickpath to the desired setting.

>>59352476
Because Windows (mess) way is only right way

>>59352498
at least you can figure that out on your own through a few seconds of exploration. Linux you cannot do shit unless you know the exact names for everything.

>>59352308
The second is the perfect solution. Firstly, it doesn't require GUI to be loaded in memory in order to turn the device off, secondly, it can be automated by a shell script. One more thing, there can be written a simple GUI wrapper to do this shit with a mouse.

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>>59352196
Do you have The Downs™? It works for literally everything I've ever tried it with. Maybe the bullshit.so you copied over had some of its own dependencies that you did not also copy over, in which case it doesn't matter what operating system you're using it wouldn't have worked until you copied the dependencies over as well.

>>59352476

oh it's perfectly understandable. So App X and App Y both have their .so and man pages randomly mixed across the entire filesystem in some pattern.
I mean Windows is SO much worse, what are they thinking? Putting everything an app needs into that app's folder?
CRAZY man!!!

>>59352543
>Putting everything an app needs into that app's folder?
AHAHAHAHAHA no.

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>>59352537
>One more thing, there can be written a simple GUI wrapper to do this shit with a mouse.

No one ever does that ever. Cause its shitnix. The desktop experience is made to be as hellish and obtuse as possible.

>>59352308
the GNU/+Linux side shows the entirety of the instructions

The Windows side doesn't show all the clusterfuck GUIs you have to hunt and click through to get to this point

>>59352400
Because Ctrl-D inserts EOF into input stream, Ctrl-C is the keyboard interruption they're more important than a "clipboard".

>>59352196
> > nope doesnt work
It's for the best.
> what is DLL hijacking
Also, man ld_preload.

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https://forums.gentoo.org/index.php

>/g/ unironically defends this shit

just take a quick look into the gentoo forum. its fucking HILARIOUS.

People can't get the easiest things to work. Problems over problems.

>waiting 3 hours to compile a text editor
>still doesnt work
>re-do whole installation

lmao! Its fucking NUTS. People go insane lengths to be a living meme.

>>59352471
> oh no can't unpack tarball
> fuck i can't use configure make install
> oh hoppididooh apt-get WHOAAATTT???
> i need an installer for everything which messes around with everything
> it feels so good to not have a decent shell
> i love to use cmd.exe
> haha nice i love it windows key up my arse

>>59352543
20 apps uses sql.dll, so then i have 20 copies of sql.dll in 20 apps folders.

bravo winfags :DD

>>59352579
>needing instructions for basic task

>>59352582

ok you just told me a bunch of mumbo jumbo which means absolutely nothing

>>59352576
Had you actually used Linux anytime in the past ten years or so, you'd know that you hardly ever need to use CLI if you really don't want to. Command line is just the easier and faster way of doing things, especially if you're looking up instructions and can just copy-paste the commands and be done with it.

>>59352579

>memorizing directories, commands, and program names totally reasonable
>hitting the windows button and typing device manager totally unreasonable

>>59352595

typical autism reasons. If somebody can copy dlls into my filesystem then I have bigger problems

>>59352623

no way bro, that's like 20 megabytes of wasted space.
Oh and only if those 20 apps all use the exact same version. Yeah right. That happens.

>>59352634
That's not true at all. My main OS is Windows. I use Linux all the time as an internet browsing sandbox. The amount of headache I had to go through just to get it browsing the web normally was retarded.

>>59352596
It's probably your miserable experience. Experienced Gentoomen don't wait a compilation process, they can compile in background, pajeets can't manage their time. 3 hours is an inadequate exaggerated time estimate for a text editor

>>59352688
Amazing. Because for me web browsing has worked out of the box every time I've tried.

>>59352632
Then why do you care about a tech-tier OS? Use your consumer-tier OSes.

>>59352646
Linux is an OS for multiple users, unlike Windows, which usually runs on PCs. Imagine 20 people being logged into Linux at the same time. OS must be protected from DLL hijacking in one way or another.

>>59352642
>memorizing directories
The whole point of the directory structure in Linux is that you don't have to memorize that shit, because everything is in its place.

Valid reasons to be mad though:
pulseaudio: Never fucking works
xorg: old and buggy. Will take ages before wayland is usable
gtk3: breaks theming with every update
dconf: Let's copy one of the worst elements of Windows and only make it slightly more bearable
I could go on.

>>59352196
>y-you have complete control over your s-system
>Okay I want to get rid of SystemD
>w-well now lets not gey crazy!

>>59352771
> Valid reasons to be mad though:
/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin.

>>59352763
>Linux is an OS for multiple users, unlike Windows, which usually runs on PCs. Imagine 20 people being logged into Linux at the same time. OS must be protected from DLL hijacking in one way or another.

Windows is made for single users? what are you smoking

>>59352196
LD_PRELOAD

>>59352800
Well, it's how it's being used. Just look at
>>59352646
> copy dlls into _my_ filesystem

>>59352793
All symlinks to /bin these days, but yeah that sucked. I read that unix devs back in the day actually did this, because their hard drive got full, so they created /sbin for static binaries on a new drive, but that lost all meaning when dynamic binaries ended up there.

>>59352308
just disable it in BIOS/UEFI

>>59352779
Then use a different distro you cocksucker tripfag, that's like saying "I want to remove the registry."

>>59352800
Yes, Windows was made as a single user OS with no networking. Both these things got tacked on later. You can actually still see the remains of some stolen unixoid network stack in Windows. hosts for example is in:
%SystemRoot%\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

Multi user functionality in Windows is still kind of broken. runas.exe is not as mature as su or sudo.

Then again Unix was made as a single user OS, but had multi user support added early in its life.

>>59352319
He's right to an extent, but he's extremely butthurt and uses Microsoft.

>>59352543

>Putting everything an app needs into that app's folder

Windows places DLLs and config files and lots of other shit in other places than the folder where the program is.

>>59352400
> not using the middle mouse button

you are frail and you are weak

>>59352196

>> nope doesnt work ahaha fuck you!

LD_LIBRARY_PATH, desu

>>59352863
>BIOS/UEFI
This is Linux, right? I have Windows 10

>>59352686
wrong

check out the size of your WinSxS folder cuck.
especially after installing all the different MSVC shit and other versions of runtime Visual C++ libs

>>59352949
It has nothing to do with what OS you use, are you baiting me friend?

>99% of all community projects have such useless install scripts that you have to hunt down the individual packages it wants
Makes it really fucking hard to justify using this OS

>>59352319
>Y-you're just a poorfag

It's proliferation vs. exclusivity.

I can build an OS that will do everything for you but needs a supercomputer to even turn on. I can run Linux from everything on everything. Which will get more use?

>>59352963
> are you baiting me friend?
Isn't that obvious? Instead of asking that, you could've feed him more.
>>59352949
This is a complicated tech thing, I suggest to call a technician. There's no way a simple customer can do UEFI stuff on his own.

>>59352933

except on Windows it actually has real, non autistic reasons

>>59352933
That actually drives me mad. It's really amazing how many folders there are that store program data/configs on windows.

>>59353018
> WinSxS isn't autistic

>>59352948

yep, I now literally have to go to the command line everytime I want to start my program.

> b-b-ut just make it permanent

no, because then other programs might fucking break, which is the exact reason that linux idiots use to justify having this retarded system in the first place. it's irony on overdrive

>>59352196
>Critical bugs in Linux are fixed in less than 24 hours after discovery
I hate you all!

>>59353061
Just put it in a script that exports it and then starts the program. Is that too technical for you?

>>59352953
>>59353038

It has never made a problem for me, which is 1 million percent more than what I can say about Lincucks

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ITT - "I don't know how to use it so its bad!"

We're sorry there was a colorful box to tell you what to do and then a frowny face when "Something happened :("

>>59353061
>yep, I now literally have to go to the command line everytime I want to start my program.
Or you could just paste all the commands into a text file and add #!bash as the first line.

>>59353098

no, it's too retarded for me because now I have to go to the COMMANDLINE TO START TEH FUCKING APPLICATION YOU GODDAMN IDIOT.

"j-j-just double click it, your [random file explorer] surely has support to execute scripts right?? no?"

"oh you wanted to keep your desktop entry? Haha nice try!!

"oh you like quickly scanning a folder and seeing your executable by its icon? shitta outa luck here :)"

>>59353150
Well, you're right. How about you recompile it with your libraries?

>>59353143
What a buttery smooth and elegant work around.

>>59353150
If you want to create a double-clickable desktop icon, you still can. Just make a .desktop file like those in /usr/share/applications.
It's super simple. You don't have to go to the command line or anything.

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>>59352196
>ok I'll just put it right next to the binary to make sure it gets picked up
to duhm to knough hough lunakes werk

>>59352522
>Android

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>>59352196
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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>>59353123

Pajeet is mad as fuck right now, he knows he's losing.

>>59353204
yeah it is both of those things faggot

Are you enjoying Window's 2-month security update period? How about your host of shitty windows apps that no individual at MS is accountable for? Your monolithic pile of shit OS working out for you?

Open source developers fix my OS overnight, and then let me read the source. Fuck you.

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>>59352196
Today the EVANGELISM is 2/10 EFFECTIVE. Good job!

>>59352881
Okay list em out for me bud. All those distros without systemd

>i-it's like removing the r-registry!

Oh I love that famous Linux customization. Complete control!

>>59352196
>he doesn't know how to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
laughing_girls.jpg

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> Install Ubuntu
> Read on omgubuntu that if you want graphics acceleration you have to install the nvidia drivers
> google for nvidia drivers
> 15 different options, pick one for my graphics card
> download and install like the README says
> reboot
> black screen, blinking cursor

>>59353404
>Okay list em out for me bud
Not him, but
without-systemd.org

>>59353483
That never happened

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>>59352688
Good work!, keep spreading bull... er, i mean facts to more potential customers. You may seem to have an unabated passion for technology so i guess you be be interested into a job as DEVELOPER EVANGELIST. Believe me, you're good at what you do. Allow yourself take this unique chance!

https://www.microsoft.com/northafrica/careers/positions/de.htm

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>>59352196
What an exciting thread you have there.

>>59353204
>having a launcher script is a "workaround"
It's not, and even if it were, that's your fault for trying to do something literally retarded in the first place.

>>59352196
>Install windows 10
>No network drivers so need to use another computer to get the drivers.
>Update takes forever.
>Install the drivers from windows update.
>No sound.
>Search the driver from the manufacturer's site.
>Ok, no problem.
>Suspiciously high storage drive usage.
>Processes using high amount of resources for no reason.
>Forced updates, give up trying to customize it because the updates sets the defaults again.
>No more possibility to know what are the updates about.
>Error messages are not useful.
>Must uninstall crap often but gets installed again.
>Cannot disable cortana.
>Pretty obvious i don't control my OS.
>Read MS privacy statement.
>Fuck this shit.
>Install windows 7.
>No drivers, must hunt them this time.
>mfw i read that MS is issuing updates that backports W1's bullshit to windows 7.
>mfw i must use third party programs and be careful with the updates to protect myself from my own software provider.

>>59353530
>At some moment got interested into looking for other software providers.
>Don't want to buy hardware and hackingtosh seems a fucking hassle so don't care about apple for the moment.
>Download ubuntu mate installation media.
>Try to boot but get black screen.
>Literally first google result tells me how to start with nomodeset and how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers.
>Proceed to install.
>reboot.
>Start again with nomodeset.
>Update OS (extremely fast compared to windows) and install nvidia drivers from a GUI.
>reboot.
>mfw everything works, no need to search for drivers.
>discovers dolphin, youtube-dl, clementine, playonlinux, kdenlive, krita, etc.
>Comfy as fuck.
>Discover my previous MS office documents don't work fine always.
>Read about the problem and discovers MS issued an standard they don't respect and no one know how it got approved something like that.
>Around half of my steam games are not avilable on linux.
>Read about it and discover how closed technologies can work as lock-in mechanism.
>mfw going back to windows would be like begging to be mistreated.
>mfw i would be actively supporting to make worse this situation.
>nope
>Use my computer normally but try to save my documents in open formats when possible to avoid being locked out from them and try to reward those developers who uses a multi-platform approach.

>>59353502

it did and i fixed it on the commandline in terminal session by renaming nvidia .so somehow by first getting into text mode by editing the grub menu during startup.
lucky me that i had another laptop where i could go online.
This shit is exactly why Linux is utter trash and always will be.

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>>59353373

>>59353530
You cant just make shit up Pajeet my friend, that's not fair

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>>59352196
>Using an OS that crashes from a ping.
http://bitsandbogies.blogspot.mx/2013/04/beware-pingsend-and-bsod.html

>>59353551
Yeah send those "open documents" to your boss or professor see how well that goes over. When they bitch just go into your turbo autism mode about proprietary software

> Debian stable install hasn't been booted for 4 years
> Boot it up
> Updates easily

Fucking Stallman

>>59353635
That's what pdf files are for.

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>>59352308
Just put some tape over it. 10/10 works everytime.

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>>59353602

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>>59353595
>B-but that must be fake! My dear windows cannot have those flaws!
>The current state of shilling.

>>59353635
I work for a fortune 50 company and I use LibreOffice for all my word processing and spreadsheet needs. I haven't ever had a problem.

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>>59352196
>what is LD_PRELOAD
>too intellignet for /usr/lib
Fuck and sage b8 thread by brainlet OP.

The only thing I actually "hate" about, Manjaro, specifically, and also Arch-based distributions in general, is that they still haven't fixed/patched the no sound bug/issue for the Toshiba ChromeBook 2 2014 Bay Trail.

Ubuntu got its no sound fix/patch through a cli script in a fucking heartbeat as soon it was known that Ubuntu works fine on the Toshiba ChromeBook 2 2014 Bay Trail.

>>59353635
RTF is fine for almost anything.

>>59353698
That really surprises me, because I write all my labs in odt, then when I open them on school computers with MSOffice they're fucked.

>>59352380
he acknowledges that your time is valuable as well, so he spent a little time to help other people

nothing wrong with that

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>>59353635
>Yeah send those "open documents" to your boss or professor see how well that goes over. When they bitch just go into your turbo autism mode about proprietary software

No need to be hostile famicom. Depends on your needs but the differences are not LO fault. ODF is well documented and is an ISO standard. OOXML is supposed to be an ISO standard but unfortunately the program that creates +98% of OOXML documents doesn't honors that standard and uses a proprietary variable. Standards are supposed to provide compatibility among competing solutions but due to the OOXML variant used by MSO needing to be reverse engineered this makes the ISO certification moot. In fact there's info about OOXML being pushed just as a PR move done under shady circumstances.
http://noooxml.wikidot.com/open:rejectooxmlnow

I'm not sure about your requirements but in general:
- Use libreoffice and save your documents in ODF if you want to be always the owner of those documents and never depend on one entity. IF you need to share that document and it'll not be edited by other people use PDF.
- For documents that needs to be edited by more than one person i recommend online solutions like google docs. Honestly, unless you definitely need a feature only available on MSO, google docs is much nicer for working collaboratively.
- If you need to deal with Microsoft formats and you don't want to use their products you can check onlyoffice or WPS office.
- If you don't mind to use microsoft products but you don't like windows you can run MS office 2007 or 2010 on wine. I think you can run MSO 2013 with a recent version of crossver but i'm not sure about wine.

In 95% of the cases i'm well covered by libreoffice and google docs.

>>59353690

What gorgeous font is that?

>>59353718
You must be doing some weird formatting thing. I used to obsessively open all my documents in Word in a VM to ensure compatibility but I eventually stopped because they were always fine. The only time I've ever seen a problem is when I open some strangely formatted docx file sent to my by someone else, and even then the only issue is that the formatting gets messed up. I've had this happen maybe 4 times and I now I no longer work in a shitty position where people send me .docx files in the first place.

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>>59352471
removing a DEB results in problems with yum...

>>59353712
>useless hobbyist distributions maintained by hobbyists for hobbyists
So patch it yourself, then. That's why you want to use Arch-based distributions, isn't it ?

>>59352834
Nah, /sbin is for superuser binaries, such as fdisk. /sbin wouldn't need to be in a regular user's PATH.

Also /bin was for binaries that would be needed during boot, and /usr/bin could be mounted on another partition or drive for stuff that wasn't needed until runtime for userspace stuff.

>>59353733
The boss or the prof don't accept odf 99% of the time to begin with.

>>59353738
I don't remember but i'm prettyu sure i was using infinallity back then. The css is this one:
https://userstyles.org/styles/44906/4chan-dark-minimal-reborn

>>59353759
>You must be doing some weird formatting thing.
Possibly. Every time I paste screenshots into an odt file, it's all wonky in Word.

>>59353718
I call bullshit. odt is an open format and Microsoft did a pretty good job with their support for it.

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>>59352196

>>59353788
and pdf?, Also, if you must deal with someone who don't grasp he's giving tons of control over his file to a company with a monopolistic record and if by any means this specific document doesn't looks fine for him on his MSO (80% of the time i don't have this problem by exporting to ooxml from libreoffice) just use MSo on wine.

>>59353570
No that never happened, you're a liar.

>>59353570
Ubuntu has their own official wiki page about graphic drivers and it's all in the official repo. Stock Ubuntu has restricted drivers GUI tool that'll do it for you. You are lying. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia

>>59352543
/lib

>>59353974
>>59353933

oh ok, i just smoked crack and it never happened. wow thanks for correcting my (((record))) linus homosexual fags.

Please stop insulting Microsoft's reliable operating system, this is Linux hate thread.

>>59352800
I an not a clever man, but I do know this:

When I SSH into a freshly provisioned Ubuntu 16.04 machine as user X, it doesn't matter if my coworker is already logged in to that server as user X or user Y. My session works and his session works and there are no conflicts.

When I remote into a freshly provisioned Windows 10 machine that is on our domain and as domain user X, it terminates whatever existing session is running (local or remote, same user or different) and exits to the login screen in order to start my session. Cherry on top: if the WiFi connection depends on user credentials, this handover drops the WiFi connection, which then of course aborts the attempted remote session. Yes, there are ways to get around this. All I've seen so far look supremely hacky or come with their own drawbacks.

>>59354017
Microsoft pays shills like you to post fake stories, fuck off.

>>59354017
Plenty of people lie to spread fud either to troll or they are so delusional that they shill for a company that doesn't care about you or your privacy. You're probably a mixture of both bases on your response

>>59354041
Someone obviously does, but it'd be stupid to think it's Microsoft. They are one of the companies pouring the most money into Linux development.

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>>59352299

>>59354106
Microsoft wants you using Linux on windows 10, not on it's own.

>>59354125
They don't really care. They make money supporting both. Get out from under your rock. Only a small minority of people will ever go out of their way to change the OS on their computer

>>59354106
And they would LOVE to be able to stop doing that, but Linux is just too big to ignore when it comes to servers. So they have to make sure you can run linux in windows VMs and the other way around and so on.

>>59354151
Embrace, expand, extinguish. They want linux to be an official microsoft product so windows 10 is the only OS to use.

>>59354033

hm yeah that is weird. I always assumed that it's just a setting. I googled it and it does seem to be the case. No idea how good the support for this feature is though.

https://support.managed.com/kb/a1816/how-to-enable-disable-multiple-rdp-sessions-in-windows-2012.aspx

>>59354179

Is it even a truly multiuser OS yet though? I'm thinking it's a feature people want that isn't there.

>>59354033
You're supposed to buy a Windows Server License ans RDS CALs for every client connecting to that server.

>>59353502
>>59353933
>>59353974
No you fuck off. Dude's story meshes with my experience. I think I fubar'd xorg on my Ubuntu system two or three times when I was inexperienced and trying to get my optimus enabled laptop GPU working and ended up reinstalling to fix it. Admittedly this was 12.04 - 14.04 days and the ecosystem around this was changing rapidly (bumblebee? jenkins? primus? For a while there was a native nvidia tool that you needed to use, then it was deprecated. Then Jenkins got folded into bumblebee I think. I needed the most recent proprietary drivers because nvidia had just introduced underclocking for my card on Linux and because of a firmware bug the card bsoded at normal clocks. Coolbits 8 in my xorg.conf to enable it maybe? Etc etc etc).

Someone experienced could probably have fixed my issues with no reinatalls, and furthermore there might not have been a problem if I had stumbled on the right guides. But what good does it do to shout that someone is lying because noob them didn't follow the guide you think is obvious?

In any case, I've learned a lot since then, use arch as my daily driver now, and swear at windows daily at work for being awkward in various ways. I love Linux, but I crashed my windows machines pretty regularly for my first couple of years on computers and my first couple of years on Linux were pretty similar.

I'm looking for a nice book on using and maintaining Debian and introduction to Linux in general, fairly new, maybe 2 months into using Debian now.

>>59354392
I'm assuming he knew how to google since he is even bothering to install Ubuntu and he did it recently because that is a fair assumption if he didn't post a date or time frame.

I personally jumped straight from windows to fedora about 1.5 years ago and went from fedora to arch, to now KDE neon. I even installed gentoo on a spare machine. I never had any issues at all but I do use only business laptops so they all have great Linux support (my dell latitude has an amd GPU and I have no problems switching between both). The guys overly aggressive tone was him clearly lying and shitposting in order to spread fud

>>59353732
>he acknowledges that your time is valuable as
So he makes a book for me to read instead of just bulletpoints? lol, you truly don't understand the concept of valuable time.

>browsing /g/
Well I guess that's just a given anyway

>>59353005
I just don't understand why people would post this kind of shit trolling, it isn't even remotely funny, witty or original, what a gigantic waste of fucking time.

>>59354392

I was a big Linux fan initially too ("all that freedom! wow I didnt even know that there is such a thing as a window manager! wow you can switch out a file manager? that's insane!")

But at the end of the day, Linux infuriates me waaaaay more than Windows. Just tons of autistic decisions that the Linux and GNU devs made. There must be hundreds of these micro frustrations with Linux, I didnt remember all of them in this thread.
For example the fact that Linux wont autocomplete an executable for chmod +x until it's already chmodded as executable. Oh sure, it "makes sense". But it's fucking stupid. Just let me autocomplete it. U s a b i l i t y
It starts with shit like this and it ends with the fact that I dont get a graphical desktop on my server by default that I can just drag & drop my files to. Oh no, I have to ssh into it manually and do all this crap on the cmdline.
I can go on for hours. Oh sure, all of these decisions have justifications. Autistic justifications.

>>59354637
Thanks for your shilling, pajeet.

>>59353404
Because it is like removing the registry. So much shit has to be configured around it that although you technically can remove it, it would be a massive pain in the dick compared with just using a distro that doesn't roll it in the first place. systemd controls an insane amount of stuff that used to be delegated to a bunch of individual programs and packages that all had to be individually configured, and if you want to remove systemd you're going to be configuring all that shit yourself.

>>59354637
Auto complete for chmod+x works for me. Also why would you want a graphical desktop by default on a server? Jesus at least bait better. Just install one and startx manually for when you need a GUI for some reason

>>59354637
Are you stupid or something? Why would you want a graphical desktop by default on a server? If you want graphical file management just use FTP, literally everything else is better managed through a shell.

>>59354637
>I dont get a graphical desktop on my server by default that I can just drag & drop my files to. Oh no, I have to ssh into it manually and do all this crap on the cmdline.
Usually you'd have a headless server and copy files from a client. Mount the location with whatever protocol you want (yes, you can do it with ssh as well) and copy however you like. That includes graphical file managers and drag and drop.

>Linux hate thread

I hate that the Linux Foundation tries to sell their proprietary-friendly Open Source shit as "Freedom" and quotes RMS' four freedoms on their website, without mentioning GNU, but with shilling stuff like skype on other pages.

These people use Freedom to sell their crap just when it's convenient, but in reality, Linus gives a shit about freedom and actually can't stand the FSF.

>>59354637
>I dont get a graphical desktop on my server by default
Great idea, lets make sure you can't run a server unless you have a GPU and at least 1 GB of RAM. If you need a graphical desktop on a server, you probably shouldn't be running one in the first place, at least not without someone who can hold your hand.

>>59352319
>lover of capitalism
>I am actually much smarter than you
dropped

>>59354781

typical linux autist.

Oh boy, is this where we get mad at Linux because we can't spend 5 seconds on Google to fix our problems?

>>59354871
Yes.

>>59352543
>oh it's perfectly understandable. So App X and App Y both have their .so and man pages randomly mixed across the entire filesystem in some pattern.
/usr/lib
/usr/share/man
Wow how unintuitive

>>59353732
Too bad nobody's actually going to read what he wrote except a bunch of anons on /g/
So it was a massive waste of time in the end

>>59352543
>Putting everything an app needs into that app's folder?
What planet are you on?

>tfw fell for the Linux meme last year and it ended up fucking me a few months ago

Switched back to Windows. It really feels good being productive again.

>>59353061
>>59353150
I hope you felt embarrassed after making these posts

>>59352319
I can smell the /v/utthurt from here.

>>59354989
While it does read like an autistic kid's essay on something he doesn't understand, Linux is an autistic kid's essay on something he doesn't want to understand

>>59354934
t. Windows shill who never has touched linux.

>>59354934
>being productive
24/7 gaming isn't productive.

>>59353150
...So basically you have no idea how to wrap up an export declaration in a .desktop file? Well you're in luck, I don't either!

Just timed it there, it took me four minutes and one google search to work out how to do it, and the google search was just for testing. I think we all know what the problem here is.

>>59355072
I used Linux exclusively for 6 months. Never again.

I'll dick around with it on VMs but I'll never use it as a main system on my personal machines.

>>59355076
I don't play computer games my dude. Linux lacks a fuck ton of wageslave software.

>>59355096
>being a wageslave at home too
It's not better than being a NEET.

>>59354637
>can't drag and drop my files
You're getting a lot of shit for this, but I do understand. It takes me longer to figure out the correct scp or rsync or pipe-to-ssh command than it does for me to double click a file in filezilla or mobaxterm (an amazing program btw).

But on the other hand, once you do figure out the command, it's more powerful and precise and repeatable. The other day I wrote a bash oneliner that pulled a bunch of data from a mysql database behind django, compressed it, piped it to another server via ssh, piped it into a running docker container on that server, uncompressed it, and saved it into the mongodb database in that container. I can save this as a script and add it to a dockerfile or vagrantfile and dev who spins up a local development instance of the system using that mongodb database will have up+to-date test data automatically.

>>59352498
windows key + r
devmgmt.msc
expand imaging devices
right click
disable
3 clicks

>>59355272
>windows key + r
This where the average wintoddler fall short. Many can't even mirror the screen for projector without help, no matter how easy.

>>59355137
Self employed gives you flexibility and let's you shitpost while working in the comfort of your home.

>>59355337
>shown how to do something the easy way
>YEAH BUT IT NEEDS TO BE HARD

>>59355368
It's needs to be easy as shitting in bed.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/166809/how-can-i-disable-my-webcam

>>59355393
I'm not saying the linux way is hard, but the windows way is by far easier to figure out.

>>59355365
>Self employed
Anon-kun...

>>59355272
Win+x m (Opens device manager)
>expand imaging devices
>right click
>disable

2 Clicks and faster (no typing required)

>>59353530
>Install windows 10
>No network drivers so need to use another computer to get the drivers.

nice try, this is not windows 7 anymore

>>59356349
The mere implication of full driver support is interesting. :^)

>>59352196
>hey my application needs libbullshit
>add libbullshit as dependency
>package manager installs it automatically

>>59356349
Windows 7 does have network card drivers.

>>59353551
>Realizes that lock-in is real and actively avoids proprietary shit to help the cause
You are a beautiful human, anon

>>59352688
you are retardaded then.
>sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
>chromium-browser
literally done in 15 seconds

>>59352319
>Time is money, poors!
>clicks through GUI installer
>watches animations while everything loads
>watches micro animations that hide the slowness of all the software
>has to backup entire drive to make a backup
>has to spend time the deciphering the Win32 API, which isn't even properly documented
>has to google how to do basic things that the OS hides from him
>has to spend hours trying to fix the formatting of columns and tables in MS Word
>Excel crashes, has to spend another few hours making pointless spreadsheet

hmm. no thanks

>>59353483
this can ONLY be bait, jesus, this is grandma tier issues
>open "Applications" or whatever the name
>type Software in search box
>click Proprietary or Third Party Drivers or whatever the name
>shit literally installs by itself with 2 clicks

>/g/ told linux is better
>/g/ told me linux is freedom
>install linux
>find out the kernel is blobbed with nonfree drivers
>find out lots of packages are proprietary and no source is available

never listen to /g/

>>59352196
I mean, you can put . in the search path of ldso, if you want... you'd be fucking retarded to do so, but I guess that just means it's right up your alley

>>59357369
also, 10 points to anyone who can explain why this is a bad idea

>>59352220
/thread

systemd killed linux

>fresh linux install
>can play a few games
>install the graphics card driver
>everything runs slower, cant even open the game now

>>59357484
Did you install the proprietary drivers? 99% of the time their worse than the default (open source) drivers

>>59358059
That's just straight up not true for nvidia cards. Their proprietary driver has first class linux support (mostly due to cuda shit but works for games too), while their foss driver often times doesn't support basic shit like changing the clock speed (not their fault nvidia has been total dicks to them). For AMD, it's hit or miss depending on what features you need, but they're shifting development over to the foss stack anyway. Intel graphics don't even have a proprietary driver.

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Every time I update Lubuntu I have to re-install cups and all my printer drivers. Annoying.

>>59358941
Dumb anime poster

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>>59352196
>be me
>have to do presentation in front of comp sci class at uni
>ofcourse i use linux because i am more intelectually intelligent
>try pluggin laptop in
>need to code in some plugins so it will work
>comp sci pseudo chad takes piss out of me while drivers are downloading. "says nice computer jackass what is this the 80s?"
>the three girls in the class all start laughing.
>everyone starts laughing
>drivers fail downloading
>fail asignment

>>59353663
>i'm a gay cuck
the post

>>59359046
>Not testing everything beforehand
Only person here to blame is you

>>59352688
I'm anti Linux but for fuck's sake it's easy as shit to set up for internet browsing

>>59359143
>43 ▶
>>>59359046 (You)
>>Not testing everything beforehand
>Only person here to blame is you


>needing to fucking test it in the first place

lol @ u linux cucks

>>59352632
>Ctrl+D inserts EOF in the input stream
>mumbo jumbo
time to get off /g/ and go back to /v/

>>59352686
sql.dll is just one example.
what if it's some directx dll or something larger?

>>59352800
why the fuck are you in /g/? I guess UAC is a perfectly working system then huh?

>>59352949
kill yourself

>>59352632
lol

this guy hasn't touched a CLI ever in his life and thinks he can post here

no. just no. never post here again

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>>59356867
>chromium

>>59352308
You forgot that to get to that page in Windows you have to exhaust the 100 other options that mention camera settings

>>59359477
whats wrong with chromium?

>>59360760
A long ass list of minor shit that adds up to its only advantage being loading websites marginally faster than other browsers, most notably forcing its incredibly bad special snowflake font rendering on its users instead of adhering to system defaults.

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>something happened

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>looking to buy a notebook
>go watch a demo in jewtube
>nigga turning win10 on
>almost on login screen
>BAM starts updating

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>>59353690

>winaero
>deviantart
>???
>tellmewherethebadwindowstouchedyou
>ninite or chocolatey
>classic start then make the folders and put the programs in
>clover explorer
>revo and reformat often