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/wt/ watch thread

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This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch.

>Required Viewing For Newbies:
https://youtu.be/_2J5phyd9J4

>Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

Previous thread:
>>59329510
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>>59346529
1st for Nineball is a faggot
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Why wear on you non-dominant hand?
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TO THE FASHION BOARD WITH THIS OFF TOPIC JEWELRY THREAD!!!
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>>59346541
not what yo momma said

>>59346543
>>59346553

>>59346558
no u
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>>59346567
>not what yo momma said
True. She actually said
>"My, that NineBall boy never had a girlfriend, right? That explains a lot..."
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>>59346617
>That explains a lot...
Was she making fun of the way I fucked her? Again? There is no pleasing that woman!
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>>59346636
>Was she making fun of the way I fucked her?
Nah she saw you sucking ArchieLuxury's dick behind the gas station for nickel, that's why she asked
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Nice thread.
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Hit the end of the earlier thread.

>Any thoughts? Just ordered a 241666 as a first dress watch. Previously never had anything worth more than $100.
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>>59346683
>241666
I've read only good things about their movements, but the descriptions on their site are just horrible. Presumably we're talking about the same 241666 watch model by Victorinox;
>'Like its owner, the Alliance Watch is the strong, silent type. It flies under the radar and it never makes a fuss. But take a closer look and you’ll find details that reveal complete confidence beneath the surface. Its design is subtle and elegant. It’s there to do a job and to look good doing it. But the Alliance does more than just tell time – it tells the world that you know exactly what you’re doing.'
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>>59346725
Lol. I never read any of the bullshit sales pitches for the watch. The look of it just really clicked with me, the specs seemed adequate, and I felt OK with the price.

Glad to hear their movements have a good rep.
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>>59346683
>>59346906
how much did you pay for it? it's pretty mallcore but solid nonetheless

>>59346725
>good things about their movements
they just use ETA
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>>59346683
the military time on the dial is stupid, the lume plots on the chapter ring look weird, and the seconds hand is boring. Nothing special or good-looking about the case, no texture or nice colour on the dial.
And most of all, I wouldn't want a dress watch that says "ARMY" on the dial.
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>>59346683
pretty much what >>59347045 said.

Cancel the order or return it. Do your homework, and ask for advice before you buy.
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>>59347094

Or just buy what you like. Seiko, Victorinox, no one cares but you. Makes no difference.
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>>59347045
>>59347094
Yes Anon, make sure you seriously take into account the 'advice' from a specific niche of internet autists and their subjective opinions.

That being said, there's a lot of nice watches in that price range that are well known brands...
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>>59346683
It's a complete fucking shitter. Cancel the order and get something less mallcore. I that price range a Seiko SARB 035 would be a much better choice.
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>>59347357
No. Other than Orient, Seiko or a couple of micro-brands, everything else in that price range is complete shit, ESPECIALLY anything pretending to be Swiss.
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Question for all the Seiko SARB owners - would you take your SARB swimming?
>inb4 'cant you afford a SARB and a diver'
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>>59347389
I don't own one but I'd be terrified of the springbar snapping and losing the watch.
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>>59347363
And for the sake of clarification, it's a complete shitter because:

1) The design of the watch displays a complete ignorance of watch design traditions in both the designers of it and the target demographic, hence it being mallcore as fuck.

2) The case shape is the most boring and cheap to manufacture shape with the most simplistic finishing.

3) it says "Swiss Made" on the dial when everything but the movement is made in China (consider the implications for how shitty the rest of the watch is if an ETA 2824-2 is, by itself, 50.01% of the value).

Why do this when Seiko make much better designs with much better finishing for the price?
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>>59346934
I paid $450USD incl. shipping to Australia.
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>>59347579
but it's says swiss there so it must be good
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>>59347579
>>59347374
>>59347094
>>59347045
I do still like my selection, but I'd like to hear what alternatives from Seiko you'd recommend at the same price point (new). I have about 1-2 weeks to cancel my order before it's dispatched if you can make more compelling recommendations.

I was actually mostly keen on a Seiko beforehand, but when I did most of my shopping I was only expecting to pay ~$100. I didn't even think to re-check the Seiko/Orient lineup when I ramped up to the ~$400 range. Looking for a dressy watch with an automatic or kinetic movement.
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>>59347665
The Seiko SARB035 is your best bet for a white, relatively dressy sports watch in that price range.
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>>59346543

put simply: BECAUSE it is your non-dominant hand.

checking a watch requires no dexterity.
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>>59346725
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>stupidly got delivered a 20mm strap when my watches' lugs are actually 18mm

welp I was sure it's 20mm last time I measured lmao good thing it was only 10 bucks
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>>59343817

Depends on the color of my shirt.

Watches are jewelry after all.
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>a hunk of iron careened millions of miles through inky void for 800,000 years and against infinite odds smacked into our planet

>I can buy a bit of it and strap it to my wrist
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>>59348702
are these things really meteorite or just meteorite patterned
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>>59348719
JLC is really meteorite. Rolex has a meteorite dial too I believe.

I even found a miyota 9015 shitter with a real meteorite dial for like 900$
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my meme has arrived
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>>59348832
where did you buy it from?
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got this for 17AUD

a cheeky buy
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damn it's beautiful
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senpai going to Jpan next week. /wt/ can advice for a watch to bring back ? G-Shock ?
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>>59348993
How's the strap? I've read from some people that it's shit and from others that it's fine, so beats me.
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However the strap is FUCKING TERRIBLE

It's like it's fucking carboard. It doesn't conform to my wrists it literally folds at right angles.

And at the moment it looks like the watch is on stilts.

It's not even leather, I've got better straps I paid $10 for. How could seiko put this on a $400 watch?
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>>59349017
Bend the strap with your fingers so it sits better
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>>59348879
Gizmo-outlet on ebay. He's selling it for $100 less than anyone else, long island watch or seyajapan.

Looks dodge as fuck but he's sold tons of them and there hasn't been one negative comment. WUS will vouch for him too.
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>>59349017
lose weight fatass
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>>59349006
>that fake girl
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>>59349043
camera angles my man, that's a 38mm watch
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>>59349056
That dog is comin' to get a hot dog
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>>59349043
this to be quite honest
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>>59349040
>Gizmo-outlet
link
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>>59349006
What watch is this thai hooker wearing?
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>>59349083
http://stores.ebay.com/gizmo-outlets/About-Us.html
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>>59349111
Looks like a ladies patek nautilus to me.
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>>59349161
I thought it might be that but then I thought how the hell would a random thai hooker have that kind of money or the will to buy a patek.
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Alpinist came with tags all in Japanese, a completely Japanese manual and a warranty card.. also completely in Japanese saying "This warranty only valid in japan".

So seller is legit.
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The warranty card is stamped with "Amazon.co.jp" so the seller is likely reselling them on ebay.

Although I don't know how he's making a profit when they're 50,000 Yen and he's selling for less than that.
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>>59346683
Pretty watch, but it's for big guys with strong arms.
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>>59349006
JDM Seikos
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>>59349258
>spend all of your money on steroids
>can't even afford an eta shitter
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>>59348702
I don't know why they went with the white lacquer dial(?) JLC Perpetual Calendar instead of the meteorite in that new Doctor Strange movie. Seems like having a meteor dial seems more fitting IMO.
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>>59348974
You overpaid.
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>>59349006
Vintage Seikos. You can get them for a song over there.
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>>59349017
>Literal lug overhang

3hueg5yuez!
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>>59348993
>E, SE, S, SW, W ...
Does it have a compass or just a strange sense of aesthetics?
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>>59346683
>first dress watch

Orient
B A M B I N O
A
M
B
I
N
O
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>>59349180
>bagel
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>>59349628
compass
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>tfw too intelligent to spend over $350 on a watch

https://medium.com/incerto/only-the-rich-are-poisoned-the-preference-of-others-c35ddf65cf68

http://www.theminimalists.com/watch/

>They lose control of their preferences, substituting constructed preferences to their own, complicating their lives unnecessarily
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Helgray Hornet on massdrop for less than retail price, worth it?
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>>59349883
>guy makes 27,000 at 31
>bought luxury watches in the past, presumably on credit because he claims that he has saved more this year than ever before
>wonders why he was unhappy with purchases that he cannot afford
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>>59338338
what's the correct search term for the 90s Alpinists?
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>>59349628
the bezel rotates so that you can use it as a makeshift compass, by aligning the hour hand with the position of the sun. It's pretty much useless and just there for looks.
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>>59349716
>41mm
lmao
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>>59350075
kys you obsessing over millimeters body image disorded cuck
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>>59349312
I mean size, it's too big for usual arms. Of course, when it's expensive it's pretty.
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>>59350092
No u.
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>>59350092
a couple millimeters make a big difference particularly in a dress watch
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>>59350092
it's just too big for a dress watch
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What is the cocktail time for? It's too big and flashy for dress and too formal for work.
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>>59350267
Cocktail time, obviously
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Best place to buy watch repair parts? Best place to buy parts for seikos?
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>>59350267
literally for cocktails
you're dressed nicely but not in a tuxedo, you don't want a sports watch but not something too understated either
you're standing up with a glass in your hand and talking to people
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>>59349883
That first article is the single biggest steaming pile of bullshit flyover plebbery defensive cognitive dissonance I've ever read in my life.

First of all, it is actually the desperately aspirational middle class who have their preferences dictated to them by advertising. The wealthy are wealthy enough to be as idiosyncratic as they damn well please, while it is those desperate to climb the social ranks who feel they must be brand and status conscious. They also are not typically actually hobbyists of the things they buy, making them prime targets for advertising (this is why it is pleb-catcher brand that spend the most on advertising).

Secondly, it is typical pleb thinking to claim that their lack of interest or ability to appreciate a particular hobby or art form means it's actually all affected bullshit. This is just like idiots claiming that sports cars are pointless because their shitty economy car with get you from A to B. Just because HE was too much of a pleb to appreciate haute cuisine doesn't mean the rest of us are.

The whole article is just a string of pitiful rationalizations to try and paper over his seething jealousy and buthurt, exactly like your typical flyover dadcore Amerifat making fun of hipsters to hide his seething resentment. If he actually believed any of that nonsense he would not have felt compelled to shout about it to everyone else in a desperate effort to convince himself.
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>>59349987
So, they're fairly well off guys pretending to be poor?

mmmmmk
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>>59350217
The actual design of the watch and the dial to case ratio matters even more.

Case diameter is literally the CPU clock rate of watches, idiots obsess over it, but it's not the be all end all of watch sizes.
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>>59349040
I can also vouch for them, I bought my SARB033 from there.
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> screwdown crowns
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What's this I hear about seiko chapter ring misalignment?

Archie was saying recently he's disappointed in seiko as their QC has slipped as not all of their watches are Japanese made now.
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Does anyone here other than lawyeranon actually own a JLC?

I'm looking at various pieces in their dress watch range. I know the history and significance of the company. Just looking for any first hand accounts?
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>>59347665
AC00005W is good.
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wich watch would you buy with 25 bucks
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>>59351230
At 40-50 I'd get either a dw5600 or one of the many Seiko 5 designs.

At 25 I probably wouldn't buy anything.
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>>59351230
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>>59351069
Almost bought one last summer, but ended up getting a Mark XVIII instead.

They're nice watches. Main reason I didn't get one was because of the lack of versatility. Too dressy - not that good with a t-shirt or a NATO strap.
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>>59351230
Timex Weekender, I guess

Just suck it up and get an SNK80X. They're like $50 on amazon right now
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>>59351230
This is $40
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>>59351286
Hmm yeah that's kind of the point though for me. I want the dress watch. I want the class and prestige associated with a dress watch.

Definitely not gonna be putting a NATO on one.

How do you like the IWC? Any pics?
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>>59351515
orient bambino
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>>59351799
Too big.
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>>59351809
>diameter 39 mm vs 40,5 mm
>lug to lug 45,5 mm vs 46 mm
definitely too big
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>>59351799
Mate stop shilling this you are putting me off Orient I already own a Ray I don't need a dress watch from them. Also >>59351809

A dress watch is about clean form and simplicity. Not "Water Resist" scrawled across the dial
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so one of these just came up relatively cheap (2.5k), its the ugliest fucking thing in the world but i'm strangely drawn to it. Is this the ultimate "collectors" watch? i cant imagine actually wearing it where people could see.
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>>59352190
I tried to ask you on the last thread but it was archived, is that a fucking cigarette holder on the right or what?
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>>59352147
that's a pretty bad dial though. very imbalanced.
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>>59352147
This looks really nice, by any chance can I buy it in amazon?
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>>59352260
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>>59352254
the bezel is locked unless you press it
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>>59352147
>A dress watch is about clean form and simplicity. Not "GENEVE" scrawled across the dial
:^)

Also that PP looks like cheap shit
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>>59351515
pic from work. Very pleased with it, as it fits most occasions.

On average +1s per day so far, and it's an ETA so I don't have to be too careful about it.
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>>59352264
>>59352260
>>59352300
Here come the weebs out the woodwork. They really can't take any criticism of Japanese brands at all can you?

Here, I found a watch just for you all
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>>59352260
>>59352300
Just be quiet you inveterate plebs.

>>59352489
Now that's not fair. One can be a complete watch weeb without being retarded like those two.
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>>59352330
Looks very nice anon. Not a big fan of IWC honestly but that one pulls off an understated businessman vibe very nicely.

Does IWC modify their ETA movements like Breitling does and make them to COSC accuracy?
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>>59352147
Why is that $30k
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what is your guys' favorite skx mod?
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>>59352611
Change the strap and wear it
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>>59346529
Looking to buy my first watch. I really liked this Promaster GPS. It has the pilot rotating bezels that I love and the green accents.

Is there a better option in the same price range? I'm looking towards sportier watches that I can wear with anything.
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>>59352489
>>59352546
>all that sweet ad hominem without any real arguments

Just face it. Your shitty watch looks like 2 dollar chink shit
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>>59352672
That hurts my head
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>>59352672
The other watch I was looking at was the Navihawk Blue Angels edition.
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>>59352586
Thanks, also not a fan of IWC, but this one was just right.

It's supposed to be a modified 2892A2 with quite a lot of components swapped out. Definitely within COSC standards.
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>>59352700
>that dial
Have you been diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder?
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>>59352611
I wouldn't do any mod that removes the original dial and hands. I don't want to trade lumibrite for inferior superluminova or even cheaper lumes.

Even if you change the bezel insert you're losing the lumibrite pip that has the hardlex over it.

Refinishing the case and changing the look of the day and date wheels can be interesting.

Otherwise mostly just boiling that rubber strap and making it fit your wrist perfectly is the easiest.
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>>59352692
I know, it's a bit too much, but if I can find one with less crowded face it's better.

>>59352732
I thought that was a requirement of being on the chans
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>>59352675
>he judges watches appearance entirely from their photos
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>>59351447

Casiolex?
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>>59352842
>if I can find one with less crowded face it's better
Exactly what functionality do you need? Just the time, chronograph, or something else?
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>>59352977
I absolutely need time and Chrono. Anything that comes after is extra. I liked the GPS syncing of the other watch and the fact that you don't need to charge it
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>tracking says delivered
>no mail in the mailbox
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>>59353036
> Don't need to charge it
I meant the Eco drive
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This is the most beautiful 3d watchface I have ever seen.
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>>59352675
No argument is required to dismiss the utterly clueless: You are wrong, you have terrible taste, and you are a complete pleb. Go away.
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>>59353043
angry phonecall time.
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>>59353036
>I absolutely need time and Chrono.
Get the cleanest-looking chrono within your budget. Pic related is better than your options, but look around.
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>>59353043
Are you American? I always wondered why Americans have mail boxes and not mail slots on their door. Seems dumb.

Especially with that red flag that gets raised when the mail is delivered it's like saying "hello please steal me"

My friend works for a jewellery company and customers frequently have their deliveries stolen from their mail . Unfortunately once the status is "delivered" it's no longer the senders problem
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>>59353149
My neighborhood has big lockboxes like this. Even in other neighborhoods I've never had a problem with regular mailboxes because I'm in white suburbia
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>>59352330
>Throwing away $3,150 on an ETA shitter with Hamilton Khaki level date window misplacement

L O L
O
L
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>>59352672
>>59352700
>Hey anon, what time is it?
>I dunno lol
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>>59353149
The red flag means you have mail to send out, not that mail has been delivered.

And there are many ways to receive mail. Mail slots exist here. But I've had large mailboxes attached to my house, locked communal mail areas, regular mailbox at the end of the street, and I've even lived in areas where the only real option was to get a box at the post office because they don't bring mail out to people. (think of a tiny town in the mountains.)

Anyone caught stealing mail can face a 1/4 million dollar fine and 5 years in federal prison.
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>>59352279
I don't know man.. Maybe unboxed and sealed it'll be worth something in 200 years but I probably wouldn't put too many of my eggs in that basket
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>>59353134
I rather have digital Chrono... I will be using it to time my checkpoints when flying and i rather it be digital
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>>59353229
At least he has money to throw away on better watches if he wanted to. Can't say the same for most people here (in b4 fakes/have you seen lawyeranon's watches/arguments that $500 MIJ seikos with misaligned chapter rings/bezels are quality watches that are better than ETA)
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>>59353517
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>>59347494
Of all the things you should worry about, it's the spring bars? Most dive watches use the exact same spring bars as non-dive watches.
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>>59349040
>>59350646
Got my Cocktail Time from them. Arriving Monday. Glad to hear I didn't fuck up.
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>>59350036
4s15 alpinist, red alpinist, 4s15-6000
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>>59353229
>>Throwing away $3,150 on an ETA shitter
Post a better current flieger model at the price point that's not an ETA shitter
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>>59350311
>your typical flyover dadcore Amerifat making fun of hipsters to hide his seething resentment.
You've just described 90% of 4chan, minus the "dad" part.
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>>59353861
in house movement
only $139 on sale
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>>59353861
It would make vastly more sense to spend ~$1,000 or less on an ETA 2824-2 top grade or Miyota 9015 powered version considering how simple to manufacture the design is.

Giving IWC $3,150 just because it has an ETA 2892-A2 involves giving IWC a ~$1,500 unearned present of free money. Literally money for nothing.
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>>59354738
Considering that for the longest time Tudor Pelagos and BB's used 2824's, and were priced at roughly $4000, and were still considered great value, the argument becomes null and void at a certain point.
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>>59354784
Yes, I agree. Luckily Rolex have begun to realize that with an all in-house Tudor they would have the possibility of truly pushing Omega's shit in doubly: First by making Tudor strictly better, and second by making Omega owner's attempts to compare Omega to Rolex look even more laughable.
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>>59354842
Frankly, if Omega want to succeed, they need to engineer a movement around the Co-axial escapement, as opposed to just modifying their shit to fit it in.
They need to put the effort in to produce a quality watch.
or they could just bring back the Lemania 5100 and cash in the mad speedy money.
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> alpinist date changes at 11:50

Why does this even happen? It's incredibly easy to have a date change at mignight. Just rotate crown till date changes then install hands. How do watch makers fuck this up?
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>>59354784
Well how's the MarkXVIII's finishing compared to say Omega, or Tudor, if we're going to look at things other than the movement? If worse, you can get a Sinn chronograph with tegimented case, argon gas filled case, copper sulphate capsule, even Diapal for $1,000 less. IWC makes some nice watches (like the Portuguese Chrono), but I've heard the quality varies quite a bit depending on model.
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>>59355051
I would take a Sinn 856 over a Mark XVIII if they were the same price, nevermind that the Sinn is less than HALF the price.
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Don't sin have printed fucking dials? I mean on a kilobux watch that's embarrassing. Even a $200 seiko has applied indacies
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>>59354874
There is probably no saving the cuck-axial. The 8500 was designed around it from the ground up and it's still far more fragile than any of its lever escapement competitors.

They would also never bring back the L5100 as it would involve too large a capital investment for the return they could make with 10,000 cosmetic special editions.
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>>59355104
First of all, all Flieger style watches have printed dials. Secondly, Sinn's have the thickest, sexiest lume printing of any watch I've ever seen IRL.
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>>59355144
god, that looks awful
it's like a bargain toy
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>>59355184
Sorry you have bad taste friendo.
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>>59355120
The 8500 is like asking your 85 year old grandmother to play cricket.
She'll do it just fine, untill she gets hit.

Co-axial by design is fragile, I think George knew he left it unfinished, and was always pushing to get Co-axial perfect, but passed before he could. The 8500 may be Omega's best efforts at producing a true Co-axial movement, but then they put a fragile movement, into a Dive watch, not really something you would call "Sensible" now, is it?

Co-axial is unfinished. It needs to be finished, but we all know Omega will not. Hopefully Roger picks up the torch and moves forward with it.
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>>59355104
>>59355144
It's a mix of printed and applied (and depends on model - their non-pure-tool watches have more applied indexes). Rolex Explorer has printed (and applied) markers, and so does the IWC in question...
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Do automatic watches have a "break in" time?
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>>59355310
>have a "break in" time?
Expand upon this?
What exactly are you asking?
What problem are you concerned about?
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>>59355310

all mechanical systems experience some sort of break-in.
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>>59352611
Mine.
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my mako ii arrived. it was sold as new but was obviously used, with scratches all over the bracelet, all stickers missing, a deep scratch in the crystal, and missing a link from the bracelet.

obviously i sent it back, but after having handled one i don't think i want a new one either. not sure what i'll do with these 22mm NATOs i have on the way, now.
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>>59355329
I mean that, are they less accurate when they are brand spanking new and actually take a couple weeks to settle and start running smoothly.
Are they less accurate the first few days you use a new watch?
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>>59355310
>>59355329
>>59355352
"Break in" is a meme. It performs differently because it's subject to different wear habits and environmental conditions. The movement didn't change somehow because you bought it.
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>>59355426
They may seem less accurate due to how you handle/store them, and they can take some time to fall into a groove, or until you start to notice it's attitudes.


But yes, there should be some form of break-in.
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>>59355452

that is a very longwinded way of describing break-in.

this is not like headphone drivers, where break-in is literally imaginary. mechanical systems involving friction do in fact take some period of operation for the surfaces to reach a steady operating state.

if you are talking about a high-end movement maker like e.g. grand seiko or rolex then it is likely to be immeasurably small. if you are talking about vostok then i would expect it to be measurable but also to vary widely.
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>>59355491
Most people think their watch "breaks in" in a month. What you're describing takes hours.
http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/04/break-in-period-true-or-false/
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>>59355532

you replied to the wrong poster. i in fact noted that for some watchmakers it is completed before shipping.
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>>59352147

>tfw my +/-0s looks better than that
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>>59355491

You want to change your escapement fluid just before 10,000 cycles, perform regular maintenance on the jewels at specified intervals as directed by your manufacturer. Rebalance your balance wheel every 38 months and any be sure to remove any aftermarket tourbillon units you may have installed before final synchronization, otherwise you would lose about 2 seconds per day.
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r8 my shitter collection

got into watches last month after seeing these threads and the one on /fa/

Are there any more meme watches I need to add?
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>>59356562
Seiko 5
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>>59352147
>>59352587
Brand name. Its nearly identical to a Raymond weil, and in reality probably costs them $200 to make (considering inflated labor costs).
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>>59356596
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>>59352330
This would be 90% the perfect watch for me, but its fucking $4000 when in reality it should cost $125.
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Anyone know much about this manufacturer?
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>>59346529
Watches, you say?
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>>59356635
>Someone spent like an hour putting all those watches on that wheel just to take that pic
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>>59348832
very nice meme watch.
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>>59354738
It would make vastly more sense to buy a $100 quartz. Don't fucking kid yourself you're not buying this mainly for looks.
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>>59356657
The owner of the watches and the car probably regrets all the time missed at his office cubicle taking this photo.
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>>59356687
The owner of the watches and car gets a massive chubby whenever he looks at the photo.
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>>59356687
That's obviously some rich kid. His dad probably isn't as vulgar.
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>>59356635
All these watches look genuinely awful.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA2H_gBDI_8

Looking for inexpensive <$300 white dial watch. Already have a sarb.
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>>59356562
maybe you should buy a meme camera with meme focus and meme fstop so you can meme your meme meme then meme learn to take a fucking picture
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>>59356892
my camera takes fine pictures.

That's what happens when you try and take photographs in the middle of the night with only a desk lamp for lighting.
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>>59356923

that isn't very good, really. you've got blown highlights and shadows, somehow, the white balance is really off, and it's incredibly noisy considering the blinding amount of light you've got on the subject.
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>>59356931
I photoshopped it that way on purpose 2bh
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>>59356931
it looks bretty gud to me :))))
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>>59356635

All of that money and no taste.

You have many options:
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Religio masculini luxurio business watch
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>>59356789
You need to be more specific than that
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>>59357132
>masculini luxurio business

even without the photo i could have told you it was a chinese quartz shitter from these words alone
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Anyone know if you can quickset the date and second time zone on an ETA 2893-2 at night? I ask because this was a pretty annoying way to do the time change:

1. Advance to noon
2. Quickset date, by advancing 30 days
3. Quickset UTC offset, by advancing 23 hours
4. Advance to daylight saving time
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>>59357135
automatic +winding , <43mm, casual style, white dial.
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>>59357243

Meanwhile on the K-34 it was as simple as advance one hour, rotate 24-hour ring backward a notch.

And of course the GW-5000 is just going to set itself.
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Can anyone identify this watch?
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>>59357342

From that photo, no, I do not think anyone can identify that watch.
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>>59356683
Not everyone is an horological pleb like you, senpai. Some of us are actually interested in the movements that power these watches.

Also, there is a concept for value for money. There is nothing wrong with an ETA 2892-A2 powered flieger if it's ~$1,000. It's when someone tries to charge $3,150 that it becomes outrageous.
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>>59353043
Went back an hour later and it was there. This thing looks even better in person than I was imagining. Looks a little big in this straight-on photo, but it actually fits great.
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Is this Grandest Seiko?
>spring drive
>snow dial texture
>historical case design
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>>59350696
here is your (you) I'm sorry you had to wait
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>>59350408
>27000 a year
>fairly well off

are you well?
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>>59357814
If it had the snowflake dial it'd be perfect. I find the case more interesting than the sbga011 at least.
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>>59357929
Did you read the article?
>I used to earn about $200,000 a year at the peak of my corporate days
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Shane has gained a lot of weight
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>>59357814
>Not the SBGH001
No.
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>>59357988
lol I actually missed that paragraph somehow.

He isn't pretending to be poor, he's always been poor if he's been in debt up until this point. Of course he was unhappy living beyond his means, and of course he is better off with the lower income if he is debt free.

he associates the watches to the stresses and bad times of his life, that doesn't make his reasoning sound for anyone else
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>>59358360

$200k/yr is enough to really, actually afford one or two watches in the $2500-$5000 range every two to three years.
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>>59357814
SBGD001 maybe
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>>59358376
you aren't listening. He says he only paid off the last of his debt this year, if he was making 200k a year and he was in debt, he was doing it entirely wrong.

Of course 200k is enough to live a nice lifestyle with luxury but if he bought too big of a house and too many cars and too many watches on credit its no wonder he had a bad time

He admits it within the article that his lifestyle was poor. He probably spent too much when the money started coming in and spent years playing catch up, and only got out of it once he stopped adding more debt while paying it off.

of course that is a stressful way to live and of course he associates the spending of high dollars on luxuries as a contributing factor in his formerly unhappy life
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Saturday night biscuits and tea, m8
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>>59358648
Holy shit that resizer app just ruins the file
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>>59357814
I love this lug style, the SARX033/035 and SARK005/007 have it too.
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are there any good digital watches?
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>>59359409
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>>59358648
can i have your watch before you kill yourself?
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>>59359409

JDM square g-shock
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>>59359425
If I kill myself from tea and cookies, sure. The guns are for dmitry and tyrone
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>>59359564
Works with tritium and radium dials, too.
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>>59359428
why jdm?
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>>59359564
Are you James Bond? Post more.
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>>59359662
more like Fat Bond
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>>59359656

so you can get the one that syncs from long-wave time signals, instead of the one that syncs from nothing and instead has ugly red pinstriping on the dial.

>>59359652

i really want a brand new manufacture radium dial. luminous paint and tritium are extremely shitty technologies.
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>>59359672
Tritium paint won't kill you and achieves the exact same thing with a similar functional lifespan. Although radium certainly has a much neater "cool" factor.
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>>59359707

there is literally zero evidence of any kind of harm to the wearer of a watch with a radium dial.

all of the health concerns were for the workers, and they were uniformly caused by lip-pointing of paintbrushes used for handpainting.
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>>59359672
>that syncs from long-wave time signals
Not everyone lives somewhere that can receive the atomic time signals :(
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>>59359948
atomic sync is a meme anyway
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>>59349522
yeah i probably paid triple what its worth. decent watch though?
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>>59359987

anything that multiple people have discussed could be called a meme.

the purpose of a watch is to know what time it is. the purpose of a quartz digital watch is to know more precisely what time it is. it is aesthetically harmonious for a quartz digital watch to, therefore, strive to display the time as precisely as possible. other things that can be easily crammed into a microprocessor-based watch include timers and chronographs, perpetual calendars, world time zones, alarms and so on.

the GW-5000 is very strongly at the center of the quartz digital aesthetic by offering all of these things in a visually reserved design that states simply that it is a plastic quartz digital watch. however it does this with higher grade materials and construction, finished off with the "made in japan" inscription on the caseback, the definitive country of origin for a quartz digital watch.

if you don't like it, then that's a matter of taste. however, i must insist that the GW-5000 is the aesthetic pinnacle of quartz digital watchmaking.

>>59359948

what if i told you it has solar charging?
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>>59360069
>what if i told you it has solar charging?
Are you implying I actually go outside?
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>>59360187

i leave it on the windowsill.
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Are the seagull 1963 worth the buy? Whats the best place to purchase it for australia?
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>>59360069
What if I want a metal digital watch?
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>>59360205
How do you intend to use it? I can do a write up on it later but I'm driving atm
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>>59360215

behold
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>>59360220
daily

cant decide between the saphhire + no open back + 21 jewels or 19 jewels, acrylic but open case back
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I searched "meme watch" on eBay, which one should I get?
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>>59360228
That's kind of disgusting, fampai.
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>>59360251
one of each, obviously.
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>>59360252

gloriously disgusting
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>>59360069
>solar charging
OH BOY!

I know its enough to charge a watch for a day, but is this just a silly "gee whiz" feature that is easily overcome with a simple quartz/battery system?
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>>59359662
Have some oversized hands
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>>59360266

it lasts for weeks
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>>59360272
What the fuck
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>>59360277
Again, does a $50 solar charging feature outweigh a simpler quartz mechanism?
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>>59360322
What?
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>>59360349

i don't know what the fuck you think you're going to charge with a solar cell other than a quartz "mechanism". do you even have the foggiest idea how these things work?
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>>59360355
Your hands!
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>>59360363
Thats what I'm saying, you dolt. Is a $50 upcharge for a solar charging watch that "lasts weeks" even worth it? I'm saying it isn't because fuck it, a simpler quartz watch does just fine for years on a battery.
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>>59360382

if you are pinching pennies so hard that you even feel the cost of a solar cell, then i don't think it's very responsible of you to buy a watch at all. you should use the clock on the wall.
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>>59360277
Solar G-Shocks last for 6-12 months without light
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>>59360398
He's shopping for his grail anon, he needs to make an informed decision.
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>>59360247
Don't do it for daily unless you work in a pillow factory. The thing is fragile honestly.
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>>59360398
So you're admitting its a gee-whiz feature with little to no actual value.
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>>59360459
Except hmm I don't know not having to change your battery.
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>>59360560
Solar batteries have to be changed eventually. Last I heard it was around the 7-8 year mark and they're much more than the $3 batteries.
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>>59360560
They get replaced, just less often.

It's a CTL-1616 in most cases I believe.
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Should I buy this?
It's only $14.
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>>59360677
Yes.
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>>59356629
>lithium
Why the shit would you put the battery type on the dial?
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>>59356635
>not being rich enough for a Rolexus
Why live?
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>>59360699
I hope you'd pick a better one than any of those. Nearly everything has something wrong with it except the one GMT in the corner and the Daytona if it's Saint Patrick's Day
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>>59360688
It was said in another /wt/, but I agree 90% of features should not be printed on a watch face.
water resist
lithium
quartz
automatic
certified chronograph
5 alarms
10 year battery
23 jewels
Eco drive
Geneve (whatever the fuck that is)

Its all shit that belongs in the spec sheet/manual, perhaps on the back cover. Not plastered on the watch face.
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>>59359564
That's how some people quickly charge their lume for lume shots.
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>>59360215
Pulsar PW3001.
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>>59355310
When I first got my SARG it'd be all over the place. If I wore it, it'd be roughly -10s/day, if I put it down it was +0/day, if I put it 9 up it was +30/day. About 6 months later, it's +/-2-5 a day.
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>>59360688
why do watch companies put half the shit they do on watch dials. Nearly everything would be better to put on the caseback or stay in the manual or on a listing.

I don't mind so much on sporting watches like divers (if they are certified), but there really ought to be like some laws of design employed by decent watch companies.

>"water resist"
>Quartz
>automatic
>sapphire
>movement information on a dress watch
>just about anything other than the brand's logo or name on a dress watch

I give a pass to casio digitals that have labeled functions but eh.

basically I sperg out about text on dials if someone brings it up but I'll still wear my SNZG15 because the overall package is appealing to me
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>>59360630
I've got a Citizen BM8180 that is ~15 years old and still going strong on its original battery/capacitor/magic.
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>>59360746
>Geneve (whatever the fuck that is)
It's what the French-Swiss call Geneva.
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>>59360728
That's just a Lamborghini with a few Rolexes on the wheel. A Rolexus is a Lexus filled with Rolexes.
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>>59360781
>a dress watch
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What makes the Bambino so popular?
Aren't most of the Orient watches running the same movement with similar prices anyways?
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>>59360922
aesthetic
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>>59360922
I'll be honest, I don't like that model, but most of them are generally pretty simple design that's legible and looks pretty good. And at a low price.

Someone who wants a sort of dress watch without going all out and actually getting something like a precious metal two-hander, it's a good way to go.
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>>59360205
Yes
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My next buy will be a chronograph.
I know of the seagull, any others I ought to consider
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>>59360976
Cheaper alternatives include Alpha, Getat and Parnis
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>>59360985
thanks broh
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>>59360976
You could also consider Perpetual
http://www.perpetual-watch.com/chronograph.html
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>>59353861
>>59354738
>IWC is ETA

why do poor plebs push this meme? at most their lower ended models have an ETA base. even then they always modify them and adjust them further than ETA specs
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>>59360976
You could look for a 8R48 triple vertical clutch chronograph movement watch.

really depends on your price range
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>>59353058
>now I can show the world my love of horology and Dragonball Z

neat
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>>59356635
imagine taking time out to do that just for instagram cred
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>>59349883
>babbies first realization of diminishing returns

he's not wrong tho. after a certain point your just throwing away your money and getting tied up on material things
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Anyone checked out the High-end Chinese watch market yet?
Pretty hardcore workmanship right there.
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>>59361167
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>>59361174
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>>59361186
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>>59360630
>Last I heard it was around the 7-8 year mark
Pretty sure with the batteries these days it is more like 15-20 years
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Could anyone help my find a video where tag huer indice falls off. I want to comfort my friend that even watches for 2k€+? Has falling indices.
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>>59361285
https://youtu.be/0pOtkAa1iqQ
>>
First time watch buyer

Would a SNK809 be a bad choice?
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>>59361007
>why do poor plebs push this meme? at most their lower ended models have an ETA base. even then they always modify them and adjust them further than ETA specs

Yes, they do use ETA movements but I think it is indeed acceptable that they modify them. The problem is that the prices they charge are fucking Rolex-tier.

Even worse is that IWC doesn't sell parts to independent watchmakers, period. So have fun being raped for getting a repair done on a fucking ETA watch.

Honestly people go to great lengths when they start buying luxury watches to avoid Rolex at all costs when in reality that's what these fuckheads should be aiming for.
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>>59352330
>that date window proudly displaying the year the 2824 was designed
Im impressed you got that thing under a dress cuff senpai
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>>59353058
ETA SHITTER
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>>59361167
beautiful, what is the price in burger bucks?
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>>59361350
Not bad at all, for that price it's probably the best automatic watch you can get. (unless you hate seiko)
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>>59361300
I love the comparison to that vostock
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>>59361352
>Yes, they do use ETA movements but I think it is indeed acceptable that they modify them. The problem is that the prices they charge are fucking Rolex-tier.
They managed to make iconic watches like their Pilot's line and Portuguese in modern times the latter uses IWC manufacture movements. They're also part of the LMH group meaning they stand together with Lange, JLC, VC, etc. They're pretty based

>Even worse is that IWC doesn't sell parts to independent watchmakers, period. So have fun being raped for getting a repair done on a fucking ETA watch.
The ETAs they have are modified to the extent they can call it an inhouse caliber. I doubt high tier watch houses like Omega or Rolex allows some amateur technician to work on their stuff too
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tell me why eta is shitter?
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>>59361285
https://youtu.be/yl_4gtp7Q0Q
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>>59361350
got one

love it. i was prepared for it to be an acceptable compromise between an automatic watch and being poor but its been a source of pleasure for me.

The Snk809 has a good stainless case that feels substantial and has a decent matte finish

the automatic movement is solid, good time keeping and i love the open case back.

The strap is itchy but the metal buckle is solid steel and if you get used to the itch its fine. If not, buy a nato or leather.

The glass and the dial is very clean and really feels like to look at. Watches look very different in real life because the glass and dial reflects in a way that is difficult to capture through camera. Its really vivid and clear.

Love the sweeping second hand and the date and day of the week is a bonus.

Really makes me happy wearing it.

Looking at it in more depth, I think it definitely presents it self as the hall mark of the Japanese manufacturing industry.

Sure china is now the dominant manufacturing power but it doesn't have the prestigue, quality and ingenuity of Japanese products.

Japan's impressive recovery from WW2 was catalyzed through their unique national spirit, although Korea shares a similar story of recovery with their own quirks.

Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Sanyo and so many other general manufacturing companies brought an unprecedented balance between price, quality and a hint of luxury for the common man.

Are there any manufacturing companies or nations today that provides products that undercuts the market's prices yet manages to produce high quality products?

Perhaps Japan's golden era coincides with the West's prosterity during the 80s and 90s, where most people could enjoy everyday luxuries due to Japan's rejuvenation.

Of cause, that era has faded way and most of us have forgotten that era of prosperity and comfort. However, the Seiko 5 SNK 809 is a subtle reminder of an era where quality wasn't compromised by price.
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>>59361524
>spacing
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>>59361562
>using memes incorrectly<
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>>59361513
The best part is it actually looks much better at the end.
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>>59360894
yes I have preferences about dress watches. What is the problem? Some of my criteria are specific to dress watches.

of course I don't own any dress watches currently so I'm just talking out my ass I guess
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>>59360922
It's a well priced 'dressy' watch that is pretty well made and nice to look at.

I had the v3 with the grey sunburst dial, I liked it apart from the weird short hands. It's also too big to be a true dress watch.
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>>59360976
MOTFM
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>>59361572
>durr
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>>59361599
I wont buy a meme on the moon
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>>59361616
but you would buy a seagull
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>>59361625
1. lol, very funny image. I really laughed so hard.
2. I lik the way it looks, my taste is away from sporty stuff
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>>59361524
Is this a meme, or did you really just write all that shit?
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>>59361471
>I doubt high tier watch houses like Omega or Rolex allows some amateur technician to work on their stuff too

There used to be over 10,000 Rolex Parts Accounts in the United States alone until recently when Rolex decided to close all but a couple hundred of them.

Rolex has a long history of giving out parts like candy as it strengthened the brand as they were so convenient to have serviced.

Omega used to be good too but they've nearly cut off nearly all parts availability.

Even brands like Patek Philippe and JLC have independents with parts accounts.

Meanwhile IWC will tell you to fuck off. I mean Christ even FAG Heuer will sell you parts.
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>>59361654
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>>59361676
it's gifs like these that make me want to cum in my gf
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>>59361698
bestiality huh?
kinda gross
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>>59361698
>corrupting such tender innocence

who the fuck do you think you are you little man
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>>59361712
>durr
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Guys, I think I have aspergers!
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>>59361657
>FAG Heuer will sell you parts.
Nobody repairs a FAG Huehue anyway
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>>59361734
>>59361712
to make a baby of our own JEEZ
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>>59361785
i knew that you little man
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Why doesn't /wt/ have any love for DW? Minimal and stylistic dress watches, probably not that great technically, but still okay watches?

>inb4 DOGSHIT!!!
I just want to know what's actually wrong with them?
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>>59361813
Let's start with "why is the D backward"
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>>59361793
hey now, I'm 5'10.75 inches bub.
hardly little!
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>>59361813
>/wt/ laughs at DW
>constantly shills and wanks Homos

really joggins my noggin
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>>59361817
Why is there a peace sign on the hour hand of explorers? I'd take a backwards letter d rather than that peace sign
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>>59361858
I could tell you why, but how come your first reaction was muh rolex?
Not even the same part of the watch either
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>>59361858
>implying that's a peace sign
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>>59361867
It was the first obnoxiously ugly design feature on a 'proper' watch that came to my mind

>>59361876
What is it then?
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>>59361858
It's a three pointed star.
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>>59361882
So DW watches bring obnoxiously ugly designs to mind?
I can only imagine why
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>>59361882
It goes well with your mercedes
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>>59361813
The backward D and W combination always confuse to think that people wear their watches upside down.
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>>59361698
>tfw no qt3.14 gf to make babies with
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>>59361858
Why are Rolexes called Oyster? They don't resemble clams

Why is there a Mercedes Benz logo on it?

Why is it called perpetual when it doesn't have a calendar?

Why is the minute hand abnormally long to the watch proportions?

Why do they have crown logo when they didn't cater to nobility like Patek or Cartier?
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>>59361914
slow down Frodo
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>>59361914
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>>59361858
>Why is there a peace sign on the hour hand of explorers? I'd take a backwards letter d rather than that peace sign

They made the hands on their sports watches have big surface areas for radium paint to stick to so that they could be easily read in the dark. That's why the Submariner, Explorer, GMT, etc. all had the same hands put on them. Dress watches like the Datejust didn't need that so they usually had baton style hands.
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>>59361914
These are all legitimate questions.
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>>59361936
term for waterpoof

three pointed star

term for perpetual winding

it isn't? it goes up to the minute track and stops there.

durr
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>>59361858
>peace sign
It's literally known as a Mercedes hand you utter fuckwit.
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>>59361965
dumb durrposter
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>>59361840
one is 5 dollar dogshit sold for a hundred or so, and the other is a decent mechanical with an in-house movement

Personally I think they cost a little much, and I would buy German if I wanted to go Bauhaus, but it isn't swindling retards in the same way that dogshit mall watches do
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>>59361931
Thank you. Still don't like the design of it, why can't there just be a circle or an arrow?

>>59361901
You must be retarted not to realise where the crown should go...

>>59361888
No, you pointing out a design feature you don't like made me think of a feature I don't like

>>59361972
Why the fuck would you have a Mercedes logo on your non-mercedes watch?
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>>59361996
The crown goes on a rolex. :^)
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>>59361965
>term for waterpoof
So they're saying the bracelet is waterproof?
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>>59362010
The watch. google rolex waterproof dustproof oyster
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>>59361813
Maybe it's because they are cheaply made chink shitters with the cheapest quartz movement available sold for 1000% markup to gullible morons.

Even the name is stupid, it's named after a guy the company founder met one time.
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>>59362016
But they have "oyster bracelets" too.
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>>59362022
True, but it says oyster on the dial for the waterproof case design.
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>>59362006
The Rolex logo is a coronet though m9.
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>>59361838
a-alright

ur a bretty big man
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>>59362022
Oyster Bracelet refers to the 3-part design.
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>>59361996
It's not a Mercedes logo, but as it resembles one the hand design is nicknamed that. They just divided the circular hand into 3 to paint a big lume area whilst also being a bit nicer to look at.
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>>59362063
>3-part design
Just like an oyster. Wait.
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>>59361996
>Thank you. Still don't like the design of it, why can't there just be a circle or an arrow?

Because it gave them a signature look. Personally I like them.
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>>59362076
If you're going to nitpick everything, then do so for every part of a watch, not just what Rolex label theirs as.
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>>59361813
You need to understand there are two big sects of people who wear watches.

1. People who like and appreciate mechanical movements, craftmentship, history, the grandeur of a mechanical movement, good quality parts, ect.

2. People who like fashion watches and dont care about the inside movement

/wt/ is 1. you are 2.

Doesn't it bother you that a $10 fake of a daniel wellington will provide pretty much the same quality and quarts movement as the $200 genuine?
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>my Seiko alpinist has only lost 1 second over night

Damn why ain't this shit a certified chrnometer
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Is the Junkers 6060-5 worth?

looks nice
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>>59361965
Why a three pointed star?
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>>59362158
Seiko movements, including the 7s26 are capable, but not consistent enough to bother regulating each one for the certification
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>>59362101
I very much appreciate watches for their technology as well as their aesthetics, just wanted to know why /wt/ hates DW. Thanks for an actual answer!
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>>59362097
Not sure what your post has to do with this discussion.
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>>59362247
I think a few people said as much to you, unless you were thanking the thread I take exception to you.

kidding
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>>59362270
>>59362270

>>59362270
>>59362270
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>>59361167
>hardcore
more like mallcore Tianjin shitters
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>>59355390
That's rough bro. But I'd still consider it, just through a different seller.

Mako/ray II really is the top of its class at that price point
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>>59356112
Not with that ghastly seiko 5 day date function
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>>59359409
If by digital you mean LCD quartz, then yes.
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>>59360215
See:
>>59363193

The Seiko SBPG001 is the only LCD quartz ever made with all of the following features:

- radio atomic sync
- solar charging
- electroluminescent backlight
- stainless steel case
- solid link, solid end-link brushed stainless steel bracelet
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>>59361007
Gee, since IWC has the technical capacity to design and manufacture their own movements, I wonder why they would spec some of their models with ETA movements and advertise the hell out of them using utterly cringe inducing noveau riche targeting advertising?

It's truly a mystery.
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>>59361471
If by iconic you Mena designed with bold, oversized designs Intended to appeal to noveau riche stockbrocker or entrepreneur normie men (I.e. the same target demographic as Panerai) before they have a chance to develop any horological taste using totally cringe I dicing marketing, then yes.

Also, they are part of the Richemont Group and so is Panerai. Are you going to try and justify $10,000 Unitas 6497s on the same basis?
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>>59361486
When used by companies charging far too much money for watches with far to low a manufacturing cost and far too high a marketing cost.
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>>59361840
Here, I made a copypasta about this to save me time.

Here are the simple facts: Nomos are literally the first new company to develop the capacity to design and manufacture mechanical movements including escapements on a series production basis since the 1960s. They join Vostok, Orient, Citizen, Seiko, ETA and Rolex as the only non haute horlogerie companies capable of this.

Developing this capability took a several year and ~12 million Euro investment in escapements and a further ~2 million Euro investment in designing the ultra-thin DUW 3001 calibre. These are enormous investments from a company with an annual sales volume of 10,000 - 20,000 units, and as a result must necessarily be reflected in increased unit prices.

In an affordable luxury watch market heavily dominated by Chinese-cased ETA-powered marketing-driven shitters, any watchmaker that makes the investments required to become a manufacture and actually increase the technical diversity of series produced mechanical movements should be applauded no matter whether you like the aesthetics of their product line. To the extent that Nomos succeeds by following this path, it may serve to encourage more investment in the technical aspects of watchmaking by other companies rather than just investing in more value engineering (i.e. cost-cutting) and more advertising.

Just in the last 10 years we have gone from a $1,000-$4,000 market where every single watch was powered by an ETA movement to one where you can now choose between ETA, Tudor, Nomos, and Seiko (8rXXs, 8LXXs). How can this development be regarded as bad for people interested in horology, regardless of whether you would personally buy any of those watches yourself? If only Miyota and Seiko would add micro-adjuster models to their ebauche offerings and Tudor would begin to use their in-house movement in more models, we could return to an era of real competition in movements in production watches not seen since the glory days of the 1970s.
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>>59356562
I dig the owl penis and the seagull
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>>59362212
It's just the design they liked best. It evenly divides the circle area whilst still giving space for plenty of lume.

It also helps distinguish the hour hand at a glance.
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