what happens when a new bios arrives and you want to test yo

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>>59317047
>it will last you longer

>>59317047

oh lol. look at that min fps.

gonna be fun watching intel fags use all the benchmarks from the bugged reviews.

Those benchmarks don't count. Only post benchmarks by Intel approved journalists using Intel approved games.

BWHAHHAHAAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

digital foundry said with their overclocked 6700k, they are cpu bound in 1080p with 1080ti.
6700k can not deliver any more draw calls. nearly no difference between 1080p vs 1440p.

>>59317047
this is without the smt fix right?

oh man this is shaping to be good

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>>59317164
>Core i7 5960X (Haswell-E) @ 4.3 GHz on all eight cores

Nvidia to the rescue of AMD?

Wega better be dick hardening good.

why doesn't intel just declare bankruptcy already?

>>59317206
yes, without it. microsoft said they are dealing with it.

>>59317217
brutal. fucking brutal.

>Ryzen kicking ass now
What happened?

>b-b-but my 720P gaming

seriously though, how big of a chance it's Nvidia fixed driver for new CPU?

>>59317238
kek
kekek...
kekekekek.....
kekekekekekeke....

KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE...kekekekek...kekee.kek......


oh man i dont know what to do ... buy a ryzen or buy pop corn

>>59317296
as if you can afford either, pajeet

>>59317263
it has nothing to do with the drivers

the ryzen problems are purely on OS level and on bios
apparently this is a mobo with the new bios that fix the imc problem

>>59317257

This is fake news.

I use to be an AMDfan but now I am a #IntelMissile

but seriously, we cant let AMD near CPUs guys

>>59317308
sadly i can only afford your mom she isnt much but ok i need to do some compromises
like to pain her vagina blue and white and stick a p4 on her ass

>2017
>buying $700 video cards

only an autist would do this

nvidia is literally laughing at you retards

>>59317251

Look at the results from eteknix.

The only game Ryzen sucked ass in eas Farcry: Primal.

This just makes me moist all over.

I am ready.

>>59317333
is this what it's like being poor?

having to rationalise things like this because you can't buy expensive products while others can so you can somehow feel superior?

sounds exhausting

>>59317047
Kek, what are the excuses going to sound like this time?

>MOOOOOOOOM! AMD ARE CHEATING! THEY FIXED THEIR BUGS! I DON'T CARE ABOUT GAMES ANYWAYS!

intel fags btfo

>>59317325

fucking kekd.

whats a P4?

>>59317401
how old are you?

>>59317367

such a stupid thing to say. im rich and i would never waste 700$ (or 1000$ in my case for the 1080ti) on a graphics card.

>>59317401
the one cpu that managed to put a gtx 480 to shame

pentium 4 otherwise known as chernobyl

>>59317401
Jesus you fucking pleb.. You're kidding right?

>>59317047
>Now things get interesting, pushing up the resolution has turned the tables on Intel, moving both the stock 1800X and the overclocked 1800X into the lead.

Nice way to test

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>wake up
>See ryzen winning

get fucked that one anon that told me that I was never going to wake up to see ryzen winning

>>59317401
b8

>>59317427
>here comes muh 720P shill

>>59317367
Do you think rich people became rich by wasting money?

>>59317449
i thought 360p and 480p is the norm after march 2

> Ryzen 1800X gave the best frame rates at all resolutions, and even more so when pushed to 1440P and 2160P, where the 8-core 16-thread design of the CPU was able to relieve the GTX 1080 Ti of any bottlenecks in performance.

>The most exciting thing we saw so far wasn’t the average frame rates, but the minimum. People are often quick to leap to the maximum frame rate, and I’ll give you a bit of a tip, high frame rates are great, but they’re not all that. You can run some games as low as 20FPS and it’ll play great, just look at classics like Zelda 64 and Goldeneye, they ran at 20FPS and they felt pretty smooth. The trick is they didn’t drop frames. If you’re gaming at 100+ FPS and your frame rate drops below 60FPS for a moment, you’re going to notice; the same is true from 60-40, and so on. The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen, and that means a more consistent, smoother and overall better gameplay experience. When it comes down to it, this higher minimum number is what you want from a gaming chip, not just the bigger average or maximum number.


IT DOESN'T COUNT

IT DOES NOT

>>59317427
I know right, they should only test CPUs by running CS 1.6 at 640x480

>>59317413
>how old are you?

after reading that i realized you where talking about the cpu. no idea why i didnt get that right away.

true story guise.

Now everyone calm your vaginas and get over it.

DELETE THIS

I'M NOT EVEN JOKING, DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW!!

>>59317466
Seriously guys, this is bulldozer 2.0, we cant let AMD near CPUs

>>59317466
>tfw meme you created become mainstream truth

what the fuck

>>59317454
almost everyone who's actually rich and not lower upper middle class was born rich

>>59317480
>Now everyone calm your vaginas and get over it.
why? we are pricks. and will fuck with you over for this.

>>59317047
Their review doesn't state that the Mobo has a new BIOS or so, how magically Amd became joker level good?

>>59317427
>Now things get interesting, pushing up the resolution has turned the tables on Intel, moving both the stock 1800X and the overclocked 1800X into the lead.

Correct. this proves that all the fags who bench at 720p are wrong. because if the gpu was the limiting factor then the benchmarks would show all graphs pretty equal.

which they dont, so it proves that you can run things at 1440p/4k and witha better cpu it helps the gpu give higher framerates.

im curius as to how the 1700 overclocked would perform with a TI.

MUH FAR CRY MUH GTA
MUH FALLOUT

>>59317434

not bait, i actually forgot.

>>59317524

Fair enough.

Test it properly, with a 750ti at 720p

>>59317529
just calculate clock for clock, it will be lower by 100mhz in general, still way higher

>you lived to see amd on top again
We did it lads.

WHERE IS THE FAG WITH THE PC GAMER BENCH

I SUMMON THE PAID SHILL THROWING INTEL CHIPS ON MY TOILET AND HE DOESNT ANSWER

>>59317554

>720p

Still on this crap, fucks sakes. Test it at 8bit so we can understand where ther real power resides.

>>59317550
>forgetting about hyberbibeline :DDDDDdddd

>>59317098
Intel fags:

BUT BUT MUH GPU BOTTLENECK

>>59317367

no, that's how its like being a smart consumer

also, why are you making that comment as if YOU are rich? are you a trust fund baby or just pretend to be rich so you don't feel buyers remorse for spending $700 on hardware just to sit on /g/ all day? rich people don't have time to sit on /g/ yet alone brag about how rich they are because of a video card gaymen purchase

and i don't have to buy video cards, i get them for free from nvidia directly, but that's irrelevant.

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>>59317586
obligatory

This can't be happening, not that it matters when 6950x is better for gaming anyway

>>59317586

Now i remember why i didnt remember.

i thought he wanted to write PS4, but forgot the S.

i was laughing thinking about that guy stuffing the other guys moms ass with a PS4...

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when you fail at mobos you fail on sales

2017 the year amd made a great cpu and asrock actually created a top notch mobo

>>59317612
I don't even fucking know what to say to that. Seek help.

Must be the gigabyte mobo instead of the ANUS one

Steve"curly hair"Burke got BTFO on his whole tirade about how it won't last longer.

Who the fuck spends $700 on a GPU anyways? For that kind of money you can build an entire PC with an RX480 and a i5 7500.

>>59317680
Poor

>>59317680
not poorfags like you

It truly made no sense, it kept up no issues with a 6900k, but suddenly, somehow, it shat the bed in games and only games, people were wondering how is that even possible.

>>59317661
Until I see more benches I can't trust a single site, considering the majority say otherwise

>>59317680
you still don't understand what happened

happened two things 1) longevity argument got btfo 2) so called "journalists" are hacks that do not know how to run CPU benchnmarks

>>59317735
it puts in question most of day one benchmarks, you can't argue with that

>>59317746
Because a single benchmark made by a reviewer say otherwise? Joker also call the same but he is a fat shill.

MS or BIOS fix?

>>59317697
>>59317698

i guarantee both of you are poor, only poor people say this type of shit

>>59317427
>pushed it up
>to 1080p
nigger what are you trying to prove that 240p benchmarks are best?

Maybe the more powerful GPU lets it stretch its legs, did anyone do tests with a Titan XP

>>59317765
Yep we dire need new benches, including overclock analysis. For day one it's still a mess.

>>59317792
day1 some sites, it's most likely BIOS bug got fixed

>>59317776
Poverty.
I got 3000$ worth of new power tools I'll never use.. Bad with money? Yeah. Poor? No.

>>59317768
BIOS fix most likely.

Here's what could have happened.
Nvidia driver fix, lowering overhead due to the unique way ryzen is designed.
More powerful GPU needing more powerful CPU
MS scheduler fix(both ccx and smt iasues)
BIOS fix

Pick one, all or any arbitrary number.

>>59317856
The review is even more obscure because the fucker doesn't state any of those circumstances.

>>59317856
I haven't considered the possibility of a fix from Nvidias driver side, good thinking.

>>59317856
All 3 together.

Best thing is all these games are still compile-optimised for Intel.

The moment the patches are released, the Ryzen lead is going to be EXTENDED.

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>>59317047
>now i know why the oroville dam is on the brink of collapse..too many intel tears

>>59317814

take a picture faggot

>>59317856
Combination of strong gpu, nvidia drivers and a asrock/gigabyte mobo, probably.

Hah I knew the 5820k would be future-proof

>>59317047
Hopefully this will shut Intel fanboys up

>>59317938

It's a god tier cpu.
Actually I'm a bit surprised by 5820k stock performance.
That cpu overclocks like a beast all the way to 4.6-4.7ghz and even at stock speed it does this well.
Would have been interesting to see this guy OC all of these CPUs to see how they compare.

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Or maybe another dodgy reviewer with vague methodology and outlier results that don't line up with 99% of established tech reviewers.

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>>59318003

>>59317047

>that min. FPS on 7700k...
>Got so disappointed at Ryzen lunch that I actually bought Kabylake

Wtf is wrong with Kabylake, it has higher IPC compared to Ryzen and more optimization since intel CPUs has been pretty much the same since haswell.

>>59318013
laughinglolis.jpg

>>59318003
D-dodgy methodology, right, that's what it i-is.

>>59318012

Ultra vs Very high

That's the difference anon...

There is also BIOS updates that fixed the memory issues, Nvidia ti patch etc etc.

>>59318003
>Posting benchmarks of an entirely different GPU to prove OP wrong
Are you allowed to post on 4chan without your handler?

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>>59317047
Fuckers at DF still doesnt have a kabylake

>>59317993
>stock performance is 3.3GHz
blows my mind sometimes.

I clock mine up to 4.8GHz if I'm working a single thread heavy application
(though my cooling isn't quite good enough to do 4.8 across all cores)
I normally keep it at 4.5 or 4.2 if the room is hot asf

>more powerful GPU needs more powerful CPU

This isn't rocket science, people.

>>59318059
>paying $350 to get the same fps

>>59318003
>Ultra
>Fixed BIOS
>>59318012
>Very High
>Buggy BIOS

Nice try, but no cigar

>>59318091
you mean the 6700k to 7700k? I just mentioned it because the benchmark on the OP has a 7700k instead

Based Nvidia saving AMD.

>>59318107
No different between ultra and veryhigh

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>>59318040
I know the difference in settings,this was the closest match with another site that compared these two processors with the same games.

I'm going into the fucking beehive of Amdtards here as someone that preordered Ryzen. The most of you lots don't even have your fucking motherboards yet and are jumping on ANY benchmark that shows Ryzen ahead somehow. When results look fishy I cross-reference them with reviewers and see if they make sense, despite not 1:1 exact benchmark settings, these results look REALLLLLY dodgy.

>>59317105
>rise of the tomb raider

I thought amd was getting btfo'd on that game

>>59318135
Rationalizing your poverty.

>In almost all tests (things didn’t go perfectly in Far Cry Primal) the Ryzen 1800X gave the best frame rates at all resolutions, and even more so when pushed to 1440P and 2160P, where the 8-core 16-thread design of the CPU was able to relieve the GTX 1080 Ti of any bottlenecks in performance.

/g/ btfo

>>59318117
Kaby lake just improved the manufacturing process of skylake . Any performance difference would be solely due to being clocked higher .

>>59318137
The only thing that's dodgy is your reading comprehension skills. Why are you comparing the 1080 Ti to the 1080?

>>59317047
>Ryzen platform+1080TI
>Avg FPS much higher than 7700k+1080Ti
Like, we don't need future of more than a few weeks to prove that Ryzen is better thank Kaby Lake in games eventually.
If this is real then I shall buy a 1700 with 1080 Ti for muh gayming, it's just fucking sweet.

>>59318221
yeah I know, Im just getting ready for the idiots that defend the obvious mistakes by the benchmarks in the op by arguing that its the 7700k and not the 6700k

So a $700 GPU needs a monster CPU to maximize its perf? Color me surprised and throw a crab down my shorts, we've discovered hot water here.

AMD + Nvidia again.
After 11 years, it's finally back.

>>59317047
I don't see any 480p low detail benchmarks.

FAKE BENCHMARK

>>59317230
Nvidia creates AMD motherboard bios?

WOAH

>>59318277
In 2-3 years you will be able to buy a $250 midrange GPU that has the same performance.

>>59317047
AMD fags are literally going to kill themselves when it's revealed this guy messed up his benchmark just like Joker.

So hilarious how 100s of other reviews get the same results, but this one guy of course gets something completely different.

>>59318137

What other site has tested the Ryzen with 1080ti

>>59318323
Lol fuck off

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>1080ti

>>59318327
>So hilarious how 100s of other reviews get the same results, but this one guy of course gets something completely different.
Then please show us these hundreds of reviews that benchmark Ryzen with the 1080 Ti, you downie

>>59318343
>what is cpu bottlenecking

>>59318327

How did joker mess them up?link that show it would be nice :)

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>>59318343
>titan xp

judge for yourself

I fucked up the first comparison, heres an 1:1 setting comparing titan xp + 1800x/7700k vs 1080ti + 1800x/7700k.

>>59318298
Nvidia has actually worked better on AMD for a while now. Their drivers are threaded better so they're more able to take advantage of multiple cores/threads. Interestingly AMD's cards worked better on Intel for the opposite reason.

Nvidia used to have a fairly close relationship with AMD like back in the Athlon days. They even made a chipsets for some of their higher end motherboards. AMD originally approached Nvidia looking to acquire them but Nvidia asked for too much so AMD went with ATI.

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>>59317779

>>59318364
Is that modded?

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>>59317047
>those comments
You can't make this shit up!

>>59318364
>modded
You can see by how the 6900k is doing the same.

>>59318361
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5xcnye/720p_r7_1700_vs_7700k/

Not only that but there is good evidence that Joker literally underclocked the Intel processor he was testing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWarC_Nygew

>>59318339
>Lol
you have to 18 to post on this webpage.

Takes 5 seconds to Google that today's $200-$250 cards are as fast or faster than what Nvidia sold for $700 just 3 years earlier.

>before MS even finishes their patch
>before gaems are even properly optimized
>not even a higher clocked 4C 8T Ryzen CPU

Jesus fucking christ. Intel must be panicking.

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>>59318364

WRONG PIC, FUCK THIS FUCKING SITE. ANYWAYS HERE THE RIGHT FUCKING PICTURE.

THIS IS 1080TI + 7700k/1800x

FUCK

>>59318364
>6900k beaten by a i3

Who are you trolling here

>>59318426
Protip: Cores don't mean shit

It's the same reason why Ryzen is awful

>>59318415

I'm not giving that smug cunt a view, are you able to summarize this good evidence?

>>59318485
He tested his Intel CPU underclocked and was able to duplicate Joker's fake results

>>59318481
Protip: Some of us are adults and use our computers for more things than playing video games on

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>>59317047
DELET! DELET!

>>59318380
INTEL ON SUICIDE WATCH

HOW WILL THEY RECOVER?

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Here ye go.

Titan XP ~ 1080ti

>>59318506
4chan is a website for responsible adults married and with children.

>>59318423
>the only game that didn't perform as well was far cry primal

hmmm, it's like you are cherrypicking again

>>59318481
buy $60 pentium then and enjoy your sutterfest

>>59318420
thing is, the titan xp/1080ti is at the size limit of sane silicon, unless volta found a new way to maximize rendering so more shit gets done with less, we aint seeing mid range get 980ti till the 14-7nm shrink

>>59318481
Get a Pentium and oc it?

Not? Right? Because you know games using only 2 threads are an exception, not the rule.

>>59317047
my 5820k seems to be doing well so, I'm not upset.

>>59318485
he is the ONLY one who claimed it anmd showed couple still images to proove it
he is also butthurt at joker making fun of him on podcasts as far as I know

>>59318415
No he didn't retard, Joker posted an update video where you can clearly see in CPU-Z that it's running at 5 GHz.

>>59318351
those hundreds of reviews are old, these ones are new with new bios.

>>59318607
There's more than a bios issue here.

>>59317598
>catches house on fire

I bet it's fast

>>59318401
to be fair, 20fps but stable feels better then 60 but constantly hitting 30

You can Bet Nvidia had a hand in this through driver optimization, they'll do anything to make Intel weaker.

>>59318607
>or driver

I'm pretty sure if 1080 gets retested again with new nvidia driver it will get higher numbers

hard to say, there is also question of methodology not integrity

why would they lie? they tested different place in games or ran it longer, that's all

day1 benchmarks have no meaning now that's for sure

>>59318624
you don't realize how fucked the bios was at launch, and how much ryzen benefits when the ram is not fucked with.

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>>59318639
>they'll do anything to make Intel weaker
Even make their direct competitor stronger?

>>59318639
why? you think they are hurt intel droppepd them for amd for iGPUs?

>>59318643
I don't, I've had first hand experience with ANUSes crappy bios.

>>59318634
to be fair, 20fps but stable feels better then 60 but constantly hitting 30
NO IT DOESN'T YOU FUCKING RETARD BECAUSE YOU CAN CAP FRAMELIMIT TO ANYTHING YOU WANT! 30fps stable is better than 20 fps stable FUCKING MONGOLOID!

>>59318040
The op review never stated he have an updated BIOS

>>59318563
thing is, 7nm is happening in 2019

>>59318329
linus shill tips did it

>>59318653
they will gimp their GPUs, they have no reason to gimp CPUs
not contending markets

>>59318662
yes it is, but that's not what I said, I said 20 stable feels better then wildly varying framerates that are technically higher.

>>59318653
They aren't doing themselves favors by making their GPU run slower on modern hardware, that would just fatten up Intel, and Nvidia and Intel hate eachother much more than AMD and Nvidia.

>>59318666
I honestly doubt volume and process will be in working order before 2021 at earliest.

>>59318671
so post it

>>59318677
>but that's not what I said
Let me QUOTE YOU MOTHERFUCKER since you seem to have the memory of a gold fish and you literally don't remember your last post.
>>59318634
>to be fair, 20fps but stable feels better then 60 but constantly hitting 30

>>59318674
they cant really gimp the cpu even if they tried..
the only thing they can do is to offload the physx shit when an amd cpu is onboard to the cpu

>>59318013
>same since haswell

uhh same arch for like 20 years comrade

intel never does anything new, if it was up to them we'd still be single thread <1ghz with no memory controller

>>59318502
>>59318415
That faggot just cherrypicked 3 frames with discrepancies.

>>59318693
it took exactly one year 14nm tests before samsung was able to make full sized chips
intel losing it's grip on fab market

>>59317856
>>59317856
>>59317856
>>59317856
>>59317856


Here are your answers, think long and hard.

>>59318706
they can increase overhead pretty easily as far as i know

>>59318524
Knowing that the 1080ti and titan xp are roughly equivalent in performance (1080ti being slighty faster). Why is eteknixs (bottom) 7700k numbers so low?

On their test it shows the 7700k performing worse than the 5820k, yet on Techspots testing the 7700k is faster than both the 6900k and 5960x.

>>59318725
samsung isn't doing the 7nm that amd and nvidia will be on most likely, gf is, and that's ibm's shit. i'm predicting issues getting everything up and running that will set the process back, then yield issues that will make it non viable for bigger chips for a while.

granted, if they mcm things like zen or a smaller vega at 7nm that may offset the lower yields enough, but still.

>>59318698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ZkAF9q9w

feel free to take screenshots

>>59317325
Are you 12 ? Can we get a ban over here?

>>59318702

Yes, and to what you replied:

>NO IT DOESN'T YOU FUCKING RETARD BECAUSE YOU CAN CAP FRAMELIMIT TO ANYTHING YOU WANT! 30fps stable is better than 20 fps stable FUCKING MONGOLOID!

And stable 30fps also feel better than 60 dipping to 30. What the fuck is your point?

>>59318759
nvidia not going 7nm first, they trust in tsmc again not to fuck up 10nm

>>59317454
>le rich people spend their money on RX 470s and wait several months for Ryzen R3s meme
Rich people spend their money on what makes them happy. Upper middle class people are more frugal and don't spend $700 on a GPU every 18 months, but truly rich people can do that.

My grandparents came from nothing (grandpa was literally an orphan born during the great depression), yet they still buy the latest Apple gear and nice cars and stuff.

>>59318760

>Still using ROG...

MSI or Giga has the most stable BIOS for Ryzen right now. Since Asrock doesn't sell in my country, I have no idea how their BIOSes are.

>>59318791
they have their 1050 on globalfoundries, figured they were moving away from tsmc as soon as they can.

>>59318744
Not in Far Cry, 7700k wins there.

>>59318784
>And stable 30fps also feel better than 60 dipping to 30. What the fuck is your point?
My point FAGGOTRON2000 is that if you have something producing 30-60 frames you have the FREEDOM to choose either to stick with that or to limit the frame at what ever you feel is good for you.
IF you have 20fps you are stuck with 20 fps.

ONE choice gives you superior options, while the other choice gives you no options.

So you should NEVER, EVER fucking push the narrative that 20fps is better than 30-60fps.
Do you understand yet NIGGER POOJECT JEW!?

>>59317896
Probably another fake hype maker to get a few orders from autistic kids, wait for DF tests.

So, if i change my 6600k for an 1700 it would be a good choice?

>>59318867
if you plan to buy flagship gpu sure
if you use 1060/480, then no

It's fake, total fake, don't believe poo lies

I was planning a regular 1700 and ocing it, but this just makes it even better.

>>59318881
i'm using it with a 1070.

yet another launch ruined by unsubstantiated "facts" brought by fabulous youtubers.

i want off this ride.

>>59318929
i'd stay on 6600, notice stutter do not hurry to blame the game though

>>59318935
Farcry is the odd man out, evidenced by other farcry benches posted ITT

>>59318867
You'll get around the same performance in gaming, and not a big enough increase in performance in productivity to justify buying a new motherboard and processor. Just wait. Since quad cores still dominate the consumer market, it'll be a long time before upgrading to an 8+ core CPU will give you enough benefit in gaming to justify the upgrade cost. Unless you're switching to 4k very soon or something, your 6600k will last a good while.

Personally, I have a 6500 and am planning to upgrade once Intel and AMD have 10nm desktop CPU out.

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but but but 7700k is the hero with or without gpu bottlenecks /s

>>59318851

Listen here bucko, >>59318634 compared how a stable lower framerate and an higher framerate variance feel. Only either stable 20 fps, or 60 frames constantly dropping to 30, that's fucking it, even I could tell from miles away. You are the one throwing a literal autistic tantrum that it's not a valid form of comparison somehow.

>>59318980
actually, it's more uncontextualized.
Ryzen does indeed lose gainst kaby lake at low resolutions, indicating it's slightly weaker ipc.

but that doesn't fucking matter for your final setup since the gpu is the star of THAT show.

>>59319022
But I run my i7 with a 960

>>59319022
>b-but longevity
>it will be shit when more powerful GPU come out!
>I'm the curly prophet believe in me!

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>>59319092
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>59319016
I am the second quote, I fully stand by what I said. my computer has a plethora of issues, from low ramspeed, to background processes eating enough ram to fuck with games, to a slow processor, areas of shadow warrior 2 I would get a solid 60fps, but then other areas I would get 20, and when ram became an issue 1-2 fps if not .02 fps when ram ran out. I wanted to beat the game, so I did, but I was FAR from fun, I just did it because the game was not going to win.

another game, tower of gun, has a fun issue where the more uptime your computer has the worse the game plays, so after 120days of up time I bought the game, not knowing the issue, and I plowed it, the game started out at 20fps, but each stage it would get worse, I put it down for a few days hoping to get the issues fixed, but they didn't. so the game played at 5fps the day I completely beat the game, I will tell you this right now, a completely stable framerate is FAR more important then high one just for how the game feels to play.

>>59317047
>5820k at 3.3Ghz stock

wew, considering mine sits comfortably at 4.2GHz and can easily get stable at 4.5GHz, this is a bit of a joke.

No one in their right mind runs a 5820k at stock.

>>59319128
You should've killed yourself instead of finishing it.

>>59319158
see >>59317217

>>59319175
Doesn't show minimum framerates to compare to OP

>>59319128

To a point, you don't want a stable 5fps. But still, if the framerate is stable I can handle lower fps. Right away I can think of GTA:SA. It was capped to 25fps (or was it 24?), but when stable I can enjoy it no problem. Otoh I get annoyed when Fallout 4 drops to 40fps on crowded areas.
Would I prefer stable 60fps on everything? Yes. But if not possible, I'll take lower, but stable ones.

>>59319158

Yeah these results are pretty misleading.
Even a the retarded slow stock speed it takes no.1 spot in some of those benchmarks.
If overclocked, it would dominate every single one of those effortlessly.

>>59319008
>/s

Go back.

>>59319284
remind me how many of those that will buy a cpu will actually overclock it?

oh yes according to intel fans EVERYONE

according to reality very few

>>59319313
I would bet with the 5820k most people actually do OC it.

It's 3.3Ghz stock is a full 1GHz below what MOST people can get using a $40 cooler.

Further, it's unlocked, and all X99 motherboards support overclocking.


The only people who wouldn't OC it, are the people who have no idea what they're buying to begin with. The 5820k is a HEDT chip, not a consumer gaming chip.

>>59319313

Considering how marginal amount of people even own a 6 core or higher model, I'd say that most people who go for the enthusiast variant overclock them.
It's retarded to test the 5820k at borderline gimped stock speeds, when anyone who owns one can easily get it from 3.3GHz to at least 4.6Ghz
That one guy in this thread had his at 4.8Ghz.

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>>59319372
>That one guy in this thread had his at 4.8Ghz.
4.7Ghz checking in

>>59317217
ofug, it's nearly 200

>>59319092
So the 7700k gives better/similar performance for 200 bucks less than the ryzen 1800x.
Nice to see nothing changed.

>>59319342
>HEDT
well according to /g/ since march 2

there is no HEDT

the god is 7700k and if you cant beat it by at least x3 you are shit

doesnt matter if you are better at everything else and you loose a bit on games you are shit

>>59319372
every single cpu is on stock speeds with turbos just like ryzen whats your point? should we just overclock the shit because of reasons ? or somehow the cpus dont operate on their normal stock speeds?

>>59319404
Nobody will buy 1800x you dunce.

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>>59319404
>AMD 500 dollar card is coming close in terms of performance of intels 300 dollar card
INTEL IS FIIIINISHED!

>>59319410
>according to /g/
fuck off you butthurt shill

Besides, you mean according to /v/, any actual professional on /g/ either has an HEDT chip, or a Xeon, or if they don't use one themselves, they at least understand their purpose.

>>59319384
Damn, you got a good chip for that low voltage. Can it go any higher with more voltage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njm0MBOwFTM

well i guess thats it someone did the unthinkable

intel is really finished

>>59319483
Yeah, though for temp reasons I keep it at 4.4Ghz daily.

I've gotten it stable at 4.85Ghz with 1.36v

Really requires a lot more voltage to get any higher.

>>59319487
jesus

>>59319404
Entry level Z270 Motherboards are 200.
High end AM4 Motherboards are 200.

The final price for both systems are very similar and in fact tend to be a bit less for the am4 platform when you consider the possibility of finding way more expensive Z270 counterparts.

>>59319487
>for those times when you want to have 5 friends over and everybody wants to watch a different video and you also want to game at the same time
HOLY SHIT INTELL I FINISHED, how can they even compete?!

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>>59319372
>>59319384
Also checking in

>>59319497
Damn, that's a big jump in power for only 100mhz boost. Seems that's where the wall is.

Still, 1.27v shouldn't give any undo temp issues with a decent cooler should it? Even at 4.7ghz?
I'd keep it there just for shits and giggles, maybe with some C states enabled.

>>59319487
6 games stretching the cpu...

kek would love to see the uber alles 7700k do that

>>59319564
It could hit ~82C at those settings.

I keep it at 4.4GHz @ 1.24v for my daily. Rarely if ever see temps over 70c.

I know I could probably get by with it 24/7 if I wanted, but I don't see the point for only a small performance boost. 4.4Ghz is already 1.1GHz over stock.

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>>59319548
I haven't messed with my bclk yet, has it given you any quirks?

>>59319487
damn son.

to be fair, only a worst korean would really think of THAT kind of benchamrking.

>>59319410

Point is that everyone who owns a 5820k has OC'd it and even at light OC it beats the shit out of Ryzen in anything gaming related.
Hell, it already does so in some instances at stock speeds.
Also Ryzen doesn't even seem to go above 4.1Ghz when overclocked. It's practically maxed out in this test.
This test is misleading and should show all of these CPUs overclocked to give realistic results.

Let's recap
Every bench apart from joker shows ryzen is slower compared to 7700k in Gaming
An obscure site does a 1080ti review that focus on CPUs showing ryzen on lead
The review doesn't state any BIOS update nor there is any windows patch released
Somehow amd famboys start showing and throwing tantrums
So this only one review besides joker is the complete authority because it confirms amd autism

>>59319661
>Point is that everyone who owns a 5820k
yes, those 15 people do not need ryzen
everyone who couldn't afford it before has a choice now

>>59319635
take it from someone that was a pro farmer on lineage2...

i was able to open 16 windows with an athlon 631 running 9 bots and 7 manual fishing

i cant imagine how many i will be able to open with that shit

>>59319690
>everyone who couldn't afford it before has a choice now
lol?

My 5820k was $280 and I paid $175 for my motherboard, add on some DDR4 for about $120.

I have had this computer for over a year before Ryzen released.

>>59319684
nvidia driver got updated, several boards got at least one bios update this week
and lets not forget all benchmarks were done on 28th-1st march before any bios update and before RTC bug was discovered

>>59319726
>used hardware as an argument

wew, you sure showed me

>>59319690

Did you even try to google this?
5820k goes for 370$ and 6800k is 400$, practically the same chip.
They're not in the price range of the 6900k

>>59319684
>>59319092
>>59318760
for retards

>>59319745
it was brand new you fucking retard.

>what are sales

you dont HAVE to buy shit when it launches you moron.

>>59319745
are you retarded?

The 5820k is regularly ~$280-320 at microcenter all fucking day and has been for like 2 years.

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>>59317047
intel shills on suicide watch

>>59319603
8 months without a single issue in games or video editing.
Simply adjusted the offset voltage to bring it to 1.3V and kept raising the multiplier until the system would boot and do a full run of cinebench. It idles at 1.5GHz @ 1.1V.
Max with video editing and 100% usage over long periods gives 70C (target temp) but other use it will be silent and do 60C.

Best part, I got it for £300 as a second hand but fully sealed RMA replacement.


My 2500k it replaced started at 4.7 but then became unstable until I had to back it down to 4.4. Both used my the same water cooling loop, water hasn't been changed at all and it was build in 2011.
I think this shows the difference in quality between Intels low and high end products, speed binning is real.

>>59317296
>buy a ryzen or buy pop corn
well, considering that the 1700X is less than half the price of the 6900k, buy the CPU AND popcorn.

Then post a video of your build on whatever the intel board of reddit is and enjoy your popcorn.

seriously, you think the fanboi autists here are bad? check out leddit.

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>>59319092
>GTAV 4K Ultra
>7700K min 17.65 fps
>1800X min 35.18 fps

>>59319705
that could be a good selling point.
Dual boxing benchmarks against the 7700k.

>>59319907
It was never a secret that GTAV was one of the few games that likes extra threads since the world is so massive to render and draw.

>>59319487

now i know how it feels to fire up all the cores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNI7c9n4HJ8

>>59319928
no it doesnt there is a video out there running ryzen and it shows that 4-5 threads are actually on ZERO

the game is badly optimised but thats ok

>>59319969
GTAV is one of the best optimized and scale-able games in recent memory, the fuck are you on about?

>>59319684
We have entered the denial stage.

>>59320000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUNAvkY6Ops
sure it is

I don't know who's shilling who anymore.

>>59319487
kek, at 4:10 he finished a race in 3/6 place in that driving game

>>59320042
thats the beauty of it

no one cares anymore just shill instead of chill

also
https://twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/839883776914173952

>>59317333
In a year that card won't even be top tier. Things are only going to get better.

>>59319487
koreans die with normal 4c/8t

and now they have affordable 8c/16t

man amd is literally gonna kill off a nation

>>59319849
You're also not accounting for things like node shrinks and architectural revisions. I have an e5-1650 v2 running at 4.3ghz. 1.308v Might bump it back up to 4.4 but it was giving me issues. Sadly it doesn't like running anything but synced cores when overclocking otherwise I'd have it stepped up with higher clocks for less cores.

>>59320115
>amd is literally gonna kill off a nation
don't forget senseMI is not a meme and it actually improves performance on sequential pases, amd going to doom us all

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>>59320099
>tfw you're future husbando sex-bot runs on AMD.

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>>59319092
Nice that Bench with everything 4k really proves and is superior

>>59319455
>card

also note that the r5/r3 will be much cheaper than any i7 and will be pretty much the same for 4-core optimized games as an r7

>>59320176
Actually, now I think about it, it might be the motherboards.
I had an MSI Z68 with the 2500k that was just a headache while the X99 is an ASUS which works flawlessly.

>>59320211
I bet the extra heat from OC'ing will make him that much more real.

>>59320385
>his boy pussy will be warmer on the AM69 platform than on the Zx69

that's a good thing.

>>59320228
Why is there screen tearing if it's under 60fps?

>>59320762
>tearing
tearing his boipussy apart >>59320099.

hnnnnnnnnnnnnghhh
fua~

>>59320228
the video is about the 1080ti and titan xp
not the rysen proc though
but it's not like you tried to understand anythings anyway

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>>59320839
>tfw he's rumored to have the biggest schlong is all of holywood

>>59317047
Wtf happened here?
How did the 1800X performance suddenly increase like 40%?

>>59319544
Underrated. Shills need to learn this.

>>59320915
Nobody knows for certain but we do know there's a laundry list of bugs on windows hampering ryzen performance that would have been alleviated by the faster gpu, a new bios, a new video driver, different settings, etc. They don't go into detail about it but they do mention as much in the opening paragraph of their review. If you actually read reviews rather than look at benchmarks you'd realize every single reputable reviewer noted ryzen's gaming performance is being drastically reduced by bugs.

>>59320980
>reputable reviewers
There aren't many of those, anon.

Anyway did the reviewer note their set up so others can try to confirm their results?
I figure for results to be so good, there must be a patch. Either an Nvidia driver patch, or Windows patch, to give better Ryzen 7 performance in so many games.

>>59320998
Every major review site said the exact same thing tho even the ones that pit ryzen in a particularly bad light like the pcgamer one they too noted ryzen has far more power than the results indicate as did anandtech and all other major reviewers.

Your other question is easily answered if you bothered to read the review where they linked their initial 1800x pre 1080 ti review which shows the 1800x performing much worse.

It's also possible something else is amiss but I have no evidence of such at this time.

>>59317164
Except their 6700k is at lowly 4.6.

>>59320915
The magic of money

>>59319404
R7 1700 can OC to 1800X levels of performance, just like how the FX 8320 did to reach 8350/8370.
It costs $329, less than 7700k

>>59318415

thats not fucking evidence. thats just a guy called joker saying lol, its not even the real joker.

fuck off with your bs lies. also you posted a video from a guy that is having a grudge towards joker.

please go suck your mothers hairy balls.

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>Have 1700 cpu, ram and cooler all ready, waiting for mobo to go in stock.
>wait till today to see it goes in stock
>just in stock on newegg 10 minutes ago, rush through checkout
>goes out of stock when finished

Suffering

>>59321334
It's fairly rare for 1700 to OC to 4.1 stable according to silicon lottery on reasonable voltage.
While it's fairly common that a 1800X can.

>>59321374
You might have better luck trying a local store.

>>59318415
>>59321335

first, fuck this contrived youtube drama.
but... anyway, Joker's response leaves no room for doubt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li00SePkRp8

>>59320915
>performance suddenly increase like 40%?
1080ti is 35% higher performance than titan xp
ryzen just doesn't struggle with it for some reason, probably nvidia tweaked something in today's drivers, or bios update
nothing else changed, also look at gta5 min fps on linus video
it was much much lower than 7700K before in gta5

>>59321426
How the fuck did he manged to get lower FPS on a lower quality setting?

>>59321478
that's literally what he talks about for over 10 minutes, multiple times, over and over, ad nauseam, again and once more.

>>59321476
yes but the previous results seemed to indicate the Ryzen 7 was CPU bottlenecking games and getting like 20% lower framerates than the 7700k in some games like Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Now it's blowing the 7700k the fuck out

>>59321476
>1080ti is 35% higher performance than titan xp
just no.

and it's 20-25% over the 1080 according to JayZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7MIrWtUjRQ

>>59321546
let me you on a secret, lowest graphics settings actually lower burden on cpu

other secret is that most reviewers are hacks

>>59321589
not resolution - graphics settings

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Look, Joker did 1080Ti review on the same platform he used in Ryzen video, 5GHz 7700k. So if he doesn't lie two times straight we could check this.

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>>59317427

>>59321426
Turn Australia back into a prison imo

>>59321534
But how?
How do you lower quality and still get lower FPS than some other dude with the same hardaware but on higher quality settings?

>>59321617
Looks like this methodology is fine and some games just return wildly different results.

He SHOULD run them like 3 times and average those, but whatever.

>>59321617
wew, don't know about you but 7 days of arguing sold 1700 to me

today is final nail in intel coffin, if it doesn't run as good in two years i'd be able to buy CPU real cheap without changing boards or ram

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>>59317047
I can't wait to do an almost full upgrade with Ryzen this Summer. Maybe by then, the IOMMU groups will be tweaked so I can passthrough as well.
>mfw compiling with make -j16
>mfw VMs that aren't starved
>mfw encoding won't take forever
>mfw NAS builds since Ryzen supports ECC
>mfw good gaymen performance as well
Shit, now I even want to build a router with a Ryzen R3 or those nice APUs coming soon™.

>>59321682
>He SHOULD run them like 3 times and average those, but whatever.
everyone SHOULD run games for at least one hour and calculate histograms and averages
but guess what NOBODY DOES

>>59321725
grr but that's work and work is dumb fund my patreon

>>59321617
>upgrade to 1080TI for that sweet 1440p 144hz
>average FPS goes down

WTF GTA?

>>59321672
just watch the fucking vid if you are interested in this stupid nonsense,.

>>59321748
gta is weirdly optimized
it's like it was sharpened to hardware that was out when it launched and goes all over the place with new things

>>59321777
meh, not that into it.
I am just curious what kind of software optimization is that when the fucking thing runs worse on the lowest settings.
I remember GTA V PC port was like this at the beggining.

>>59321710
Wendell get the fuck out of here and go publish your Ryzen review.

>>59321748
What are you looking at? It went up.

>>59319008
Remove yourself.

>>59321800
regardless of the port's current state, the GTA bench tool is an inconsistent pile of shit.

>>59321840
GTA V averages on 1440p
Down by 1 fps with the 1080TI

>>59321869
Nevermind, I am retarded and need sleep.
Please feel free to point and laugh.

>>59319455

8c/16t CPU draws same power as a 4c/8t cpu.

Also 1 is an unoptimized mess with bugs all around while the other is an extremely mature architecture that the entire market pretty much was coding for years just for it.

Yeah.. I can see how the 7700K is superior shill.

>>59321617
For autists: on the left we have old review 1700vs7700 with 1080, on the right 1080Ti vs 1080 with 7700

>>59321800
...
>australian deuche singled out one frame from a video where the displayed fps was at a exceptionally low rate in the overall standart deviation for the test
>thin skinned fat fuck, who actually emphasized the fact that he was already "literally shaking", points out the douche's wronfgul nitpicking.
>they used to be long distance lovers but they had a huge fight when they met in Vegas for a drug fueled orgy, simply because the australian brought the hissy fatfuck a Urushibara dakimura, but that's clearly a trap and he wanted a Ryugasaki one.
>...

i dont fucking care anymore.

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REMOVE THIS RIGHT NOW !!!

>>59318935

>>59321926
why are you bothering point out the exact thing which autists would be the first to notice?

>>59320915
well it helps that amd was never 40% behind only 9%

>>59322393
In Rise of the Tomb Raider, many benchmarks were showing Ryzen 1700X or 1800X at around 115-120fps and the 7700k was around 140-145 fps. That's 20% behind.
That's with a GTX 1080.
I was talking about specific games, not the average. Yeah the average was around 9%.

Now with a GTX 1080Ti Ryzen rises to 174.6fps and the 7700k only rises to 159fps?

>>59322591
and many others actually had it pretty close

just like almost all the reviews we got wonky results some in front some behind

but it doesnt really matter since they will be invalidated after the smt patch gets done

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>>59320228
>I make some dank OC
>Intelfags steal it and try to claim it as their own
Yep, sounds like I'm being oppressed by the Jews.
This is it >>59321627

>>59322591
i want the jokers bf1 benchmark redone with the 1080ti. the 7700k was constantly at >90%

>>59322726
He did 1080Ti results >>59321617 and in many games the 1080Ti barely does better. Seems clearly bottlenecked by the 7700 in some cases.
A 20-35% more powerful card doesn't put out 20%+ more frames when there was only 10% more headroom left in the 7700k.

This is interesting.

Hopefully he does it with his 3.9ghz 1700 soon.

yes but ryzen imc efficiency is much greater than intel's we already have been discussing this

im pretty sure that whoever does a in depth benchmark with various timings and speeds it will result on a massive suprise..

There's like 2 dozen 1080Ti reviews that I've found and only the Eleknix one or whatever compares the 1700X.

This is fucking retarded.

Fucking reviewers.

Their job is so fucking difficult being given free hardware and pressing a button so an automated benchmark runs, isn't it? Too hard to have a second benchmark and to press a button twice instead.

>>59322709
kek, after seeing your oc I asked for somebody to make this >>59320228
and they actually did it, the absolute madmen!

>>59319092
> D44M
> OGL

for what purpose?

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>>59322958
I mean, yeah it's good editing, but if I were going for the AMD side, I'd have put a toilet in the background on that final panel.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1080_ti_review,31.html

Guru3d tested both and their results do not match Eteknix's.

>>59323709
indeed..

seems like 1080ti is actually making ryzen to stretch its legs for some reason


amd will soon sell ryzen pcs with 1080tis

>>59323709
So what do you think is going on then....shill reviews? I doubt it. Their launch day review of 1800x shows it losing to 7700k in the same tests.

It seems plausible that they for whatever reason didn't encounter the windows scheduler bug. This seems a plausible explanation when comparing the timespy results which are identical on guru3d and eteknix.

>>59323785
I'm not sure...

Eteknix results could be fake.
It could be variances due to testing methodology used (Eteknix disables PhysX and Hairworks, but those are GPU bound).
Guru3d could have some problem with their Ryzen rig.

Guru3d says they are using the newest 378.78 driver update.

What I was guessing that may be responsible for the big jump in Ryzen performance was that Nvidia's driver update may be better optimized and compiled for Ryzen. That could definitely account for a huge increase in performance as Nvidia drivers are multithreaded and they could have adjusted their thread scheduling better. But given that Guru3d apparently have that new driver but no improvements... dunno.
Maybe they didn't install the driver correctly? lmao

>>59323875
there isnt a driver out there that doesnt rely on windows to do the scheluding on the cpu

pretty sure its the new bios

>>59323943
BIOS update jumping tomb raider from 118fps to 174.6fps is really fucking insane...

There isn't much of a way to explain that unless it's magically making Windows see it as a two socket system with two 4c/8t chips.