Now that Linux is confirmed CIA software will you be making

Why yes, I already have.

I installed wayland and gnome 3. I also got overwatch to work from wine and I'm getting 134fps .

Also since overwatch expects a windows file manager and processor list I've made wallhacks and they will never get detected.

What do you mean confirmed CIA software? Did I miss something?

>>59284427
Yes, you missed that OP is a fucking retard

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>>59284448
>>59284427
https://twitter.com/wikileaks

It's over. linux had a good run

>>59284281

haha we who use windows know that our OS is malware, and we are fine with that, but you linux fuckers should KYS, all you believed was a lie, not only that you can't into design or speed, you also can't into security

kys kys kys

Talk to me when there's hawaii amd drivers support.

>>59284368
but why do you need external hacks if you have built-in ones

>>59284281
There is only one OS that is safe and I think you know what that is OP.

>Temple
>Fucking
>OS

mac is based freebsd...

>>59284761
they could literally hack his Ubuntu install and inject backdoors into TempleOS and the schizo would think it's God's work

how is mac hardware support?

>>59284861
If you own a Mac or ThinkPad BSD is perfect

>>59284281
>>59284761

>punishing yourself with a timesink OS

>>59284900
Latest MBPs don't support fully anything but OSX. The ACPI is also utter shit on older Macs.

>>59284281
Does it just effect the kernel Linux or is it for all of GNU as well. If it's the former I will probably just replace my kernel

>>59284900
i have a x220 and a iMac

>>59284900
Is any BSD usable on T400?

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>>59284964
Even CIA uses Linux for hacking, so who cares.

>>59284281
What's the difference between BSD and Linux ?

>>59284508
Yeah, them not publishing the vulnerabilities means the Russians and Chinese hackers can discover the same ones and use them to perform corporate espionage or other nefarious things to US corporations.

Once again, the US government is cucking its citizens.

>>59285017
Same as the old Mac vs PC thing.

BSD is less well known, more stable, more UNIX. Linux is wider known, more support, less stable, less UNIX

>>59285099
>more stable
I don't have any issue with stability on Linux. What is shit on it, is even bigger clusterfuck (ie. browsers) on any BSD
>more UNIX
Unix, but POSIX isn't important anymore, to be a killer feature.

>Same as the old Mac vs PC thing.
...

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>>59285099
>mfw using a completely unknown rock solid os with no support which is the most UNIX

What now?
We all install BSD and then they exploit BSD.
You can't hide from it. The only solution is to purge all forms of electronics from your life, which in this day and age is almost impossible. They got us by the nads, lads...

>>59284281
No.
It has atrocious hardware support and all relevant browsers run like shit on it.
It's not compatible with LUKS, which would make me re-encrypt fucking everything.
It has native support of two filesystems: one is shit and the other one has bolted on everything Sun engineers ever saw.
Exactly one production-ready hypervisor: Xen. What is that? You don't like Xen? Well, fuck you man.

Jails are nice, I guess.

>>59284368
>wayland
>gnome 3
>functioning WINE
>BSD
really tinkled my pee pee anon

I thought osx was just BSD with Darwin UI.

>>59284281
I asked this last thread, but forgot to check back:
What iso do I need to download to have a functioning desktop? I downloaded an iso from FreeBSD, and all I could do was change directories and make files.

>>59285647
>all I could do was change directories and make files.
It's not BSD's fault you only know how to use a GUI

>>59285621
It's actually worse. WAAAAAAY worse.
OS X is an unholy splice of an early monolithic version of Mach research kernel with parts from BSD and custom code from NeXT and Apple bolted on.
Truly, an abomination.

>>59285677
Yeah you sure told him. Keep gatekeeping your secret club.

>>59285729
I use Windows. I've never touched BSD in my life. My point stands.

>>59285677
I know, I was asking if there are any BSD derivatives with DE, like Linux.

>>59285754
https://www.trueos.org/

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>>59284281
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_9535850.html

It's affected you too.

>>59285766
or GhostBSD http://ghostbsd.org/

>>59285766
>>59285797
Thanks, I'll install these on a vm and check them out.

I'll never forgive you shithead shills for memeing me into installing bsd, and I won't ever be touching that worthless, broken garbage again in my life, no fucking matter how hard you lying cunts shill it.

>>59285864
it's a lot better now that you've stopped using it

>>59285721
Ewwwwwwww.... wtaf. Why not just make our own OS? Call it /g/ ?

>>59285864
Herp derp script kiddy detected.

>>59286047
Sure. Someone make the logo!

Is Tails also compromised?

>>59286060
I love when this term comes from someone with no security in their background
Can you tell me why compilers use
xor eax, eax
ret

Instead of
mov eax, 0
Ret

Surely you would know this without Google, if you aren't a script kiddie yourself

>>59284508
The article says:
> The CIA has developed automated multi-platform malware Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux and more.
This means that the malware isn't actually in the kernel itself, but rather it seems to attack users.
But I don't understand how this works: does it attack people automatically after they connect to the internet or something like on old Windows XP, where several forms of malware attacked you immediately after connecting to the internet?

By the way, why don't you guys use Libre Linux, for example; it's a completely open-source version of the Linux kernel, so you can audit it yourself and make sure there's nothing suspicious in it.

>>59286108
No it means they have a repo of 0days for all oses

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>>59285447
wtf i love anarcho-primitivism now

>>59286103
I'm curious, what's the answer? Can the 00 00 00 00 be more easily overwritten or something?

>>59286103
More efficient , prevents null byte, xor is faster at setting eax to 0.

>>59284368
>telling the CIA exactly what you're running
enjoy dat zero-day, feggit.

I have God on my side with TempleOS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EViG0Q4lTeA

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>>59284427
Cya treats open source like the rest of the world

>neglected

>>59284281
I don't really use linux for muh privacy, but because it doesn't have the retarded user restrictions that windows has.

I've never tried freeBSD tho, I just might for the lulz.

>>59284900
I have a Thinkpad x100 and the driver for it's wireless NIC is nonexistent in OpenBSD
I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too

>>59286103
not him but it's a less expensive and more thorough operation obviously

>>59284761
Holy shit, I'd never think I'd hear that OS ever again.

>>59286101
Probably not since all networking is connected end to end through Tor.

>>59286475
>implying Tor is not compromised

>>59286475
Because everyone knows that's completely secure.

>>59286475
tor is meme

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>>59286499
>>59286505
>>59286510
Yes, the boogeyman will magically decrypt millions of packets going through his node.

At least wait until quantum computers cracking decryption to fear this.

>>59284663
tfw even malware isn't well supported on systems with AMD GPUs and it winds up crashing

>>59286499
still you'd remain shielded as far as hiding more innocuous activities because Mr G wouldn't want to show their hand for you, small fish

tl;dr it has it's uses

>>59286540
nice try cia

>>59286131
Would this actually help and is it feasible to do on most distros? Anyone?

>>59286091
I'm on it

>>59286554
Works fine on GNU/Linux.

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>>59285017

one has this

the other doesnt

>Not openBSD

>>59286200
Xor eax eax ret is 3 bytes
Mov eax, 0 ret is 7 bytes, just wasted space, required copying bytes vs a math operation

>>59287458
As long as you're connected to the Internet you're not safe no matter the OS.

>>59285721
If you had any UNIX history you'd know that all of them are bolted together, except Solaris which was a joint project with ATT. Look at IBM's AIX and what was DEC Alphastations running Tru64.

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>>59284281
>Muh! FreeBSD is not vulnerable

>>59285017
BSD was basically a fork of unix system V just re-written to not be proprietary
linux is a kernel that typically requires a lot of gnu software which was intended to be unix like in order to work

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Am I vulnerable?

>>59287637
>8.2
End of life was July 31, 2012

>>59287726
>wayland
No.

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>>59285647
make install; files and you'll be set bro
Install the ports heriarchy stuff and the manager or whatever. I skipped that on download because I didn't want to go through 26,000 fucking ports and uninstall shit. Trying to figure out how to find a decent package and port it to an air gapped pc is kind of a pain the ass since BSD has a weird thing between the OS documents insisting you need to download a manager, while the websites paperwork says you can just make install a port package

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>>59284427

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>>59284281
What did I fucking tell you?

>>59284427
We tried to warn you faggots about systemd but you kept sucking cocks all day now Linux is dead.

FreeBSD is the only OS that's not infiltrated.

>>59284368
Please tell me how the fuck you made the overwatch thing

>not using SPARC
It's the only way to escape the botnet

>>59287722
>fork of Sys V
No, I think you mean Version 5 Unix which is different from System V.

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>>59286103

>>59288101

This CIA nigger meme needs to die. Nobody's using it the way Terry intended. Terry flames CIA nigger when someone over-complicate things not when someone spies on someone else.

TempleOS does not have encryption and it does not provide any measure to protect integrity. How the fuck is it going to stop actual CIA nigger from monitoring you?

>>59290012
version 5 and system V are showing different search results so you must be right
FreeBSD is still the closet fork from unix.
Personally I just went with it because of that, older books for unix are more likely to be compatible with freeBSD than with a bash linux distro that are their own beast.

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Could it be that the CIA is /one of us/?

>>59287637
>freebsd

so what, openBSD is the best one

>>59290835
By providing less attack surface.

>>59292337

I still prefer OS with mitigation plan than meme OS for cult ritual

>>59287554
Solaris is owned now too it seems, except Solaris 8 on SPARC.

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>>59288121
How is OpenBSD? Would that be a more viable option for a desktop OS over FreeBSD?

>>59287453
not an argument

>>59295061
i think it is, they actually include Xorg in the base installation if you choose to install it

even comes with its own homegrown window manager

>>59295122
I will keep using FreeBSD thank you. Sometimes GhostBSD.

>>59295106
I'm using it on a VM right now. It was actually a lot easier to install than FreeBSD, and the WM is super comfy. I am just having issues getting pkg and ports working. It is something I am not used to doing. It is like installing Debian without apt and I am feeling a little lost.

>>59295122
Give me a good reason to do it over OpenBSD and I will.

>>59295174
look at /etc/examples/pkg.conf

copy pkg.conf back to /etc and uncomment the mirror you want and the package manager will work

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>>59295193
Thanks! That is much simpler than what the FAQ is telling me.

>>59295193
What are the mirrors commented out in the first place? I can guess so people can customize their install to their liking but, I don't know, I guess I'm lazy.

>>59295262
no idea

also i think the PKG_PATH method may be better since you can define probably define more mirrors? i'm not actually sure since i never set more than one

>>59285017
BSD is today what linux was in 1975.

>>59295228
no problem, make sure to type "apropos pkg_" to know what man pages to read if you want to learn more about the package management tools

>>59295324
But BSD exists.

for the 0 day exploits on open source software won't developers just patch them up?

>>59284281
FreeBSD does not escape the CIA targets, only Solaris.
For now.

>>59295505
how about open indiana that open Solaris fork?

>>59295525
Might apply 2.

>>59284281
just use amiga 1200, they dont target it

>>59295376
Only in deranged people's minds.

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>>59295996
>Tfw i've wanted to drop a dime on an x1000 for a while
>tfw $2.3k+

>>59295122
noted

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>>59297481
oops

>>59286108
It means they can attack you if they want. It doesn't mean that they're fucking you currently.

I installed FreeBSD on my 2016 Macbook Pro tonight. Feelsbetterman

>>59287722
>BSD was basically a fork of unix system V
That's the most retarded thing I've read today. BSD was based off of Unix 6th and 7th editions. The only System V unix to go open source was Solaris.

>>59295302
No, the pkg.conf method is better.
You can do multiple mirrors in there by using += for subsequent mirrors after the first mirror.

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Shoud I just go the tech version of the Unibomber and only run old PowerPC Mac hardware with Amiga OS?

>>59298014
Yes! I was just thinking the same thing!

The Amiga One motherboards are too expensive... Unibomber Old mac hardware FTW!!!

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>>59297951
Yes it's so retarded it's not like they had anything to do with one another at any point in their distributions

>>59298670
>posts an image that disproves his point

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Holy KEK, get rekt Lincucks.

>>59298708
>>59297576

>>59298702
Sometimes I same fag and flame myself in an attempt to troll an answer to a question without actually asking it because someone might get so annoyed with the conversation they just want to settle it since they know the answer

>>59284508
Nice shitpost, linux is not over. As the picture states they simply have 0days for the OS'es
Your FreeBSD will be cucked too as soon as enough people make the transition. CIA just does not deem it a worthy OS of its time, its trash.

>>59298014
>>59298185
>>59295122
>>59288121
No you stupid fucks, just install normal Gentoo on normal BIOS motherboard. Why are you so hipster?

>>59288144
[spoiler]It's bait, silly[/spoiler]

>>59295061
OpenBSD is fine for any desktop, getting your shit working with a laptop is tougher.

Basically we have, in ascending order, a difficulty list (for ease of use / getting shit to work, especially with laptops) for freetard OS's:

Normie Linux
Power User Linux
PCBSD
FreeBSD
OpenBSD
NetBSD

As far as being 0day proof it looks like the ranking, in terms of exploits, is:

Normie Linux
(possible) Power User Linux
FreeBSD+PCBSD
NetBSD
OpenBSD (no exploits mentioned)

FreeBSD 11 has a number of anti-prying and jimmying features that you can enable during installation or presumably upgrade or source build, many borrowed from OpenBSD. If you turn them all on it might help.

>>59284281
BSD has had a confirmed FBI backdoor for years, so no.

>>59300174
that backdoor was part of openssl and was fixed anon

you can select from other ssl options with bsd now too, no need to even run openssl if you don't want to

>>59300187
>that backdoor was part of openssl and was fixed anon
No, that was the heartbleed bug. That's totally separate from the alleged FBI backdoor.

>>59285447
We deus ex now

>>59290835
Cia can't into autism

>>59298708

12yo asshole, go away

>>59284281
but thats not openbsd

>>59295122
is quebes a meme

>>59300645
anyone

>>59290835
that's an MIT nigger not a CIA nigger

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You could have stopped it.

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>>59284281
ZFS works in Linux now, so we shedded our last BSD boxen.

>>59297488
Dedicated levels of shitposting, bravo.

>>59301467
ZFS for Linux, yes. It's not current with OpenZFS.

>>59295152
Any specific reason?

>>59284508
>and others
For all you know they have exploits for FreeBSD as well.

>>59300167
>OpenBSD (no exploits mentioned)
MY
FUCKING
SIDES
>privilege escalations and DoS every fucking where
>no exploits mentioned
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA

>>59301868
For me, it's a matter of preferring stability over newest features/hardware support (because when I do plan out new hardware purchases, I always make sure to check compatability, as software is more important than hardware, a presedence UNIX set back in 1970 and something that's still true to this day).
TrueOS runs tracks -CURRENT on their own release schedule, and one of the defining features of FreeBSDs release engineering is the fact that ABI and KBI are guarenteed not to break on minor version differences, whereas -CURRENT means following HEAD where a lot of ABI/KBI changes happen.

>>59284281
install XOK

>>59300197
source?

>>59304246

It's about 4 years old meme. Some people believe OpenBSD's cryptography stack is compromised by FBI. Lots of independent audit was conducted without successful verification.

Lots of juicy targets run OpenBSD so if that rumor was true chinks and ruskis will find it for themselves soon enough.

Is freebsd best newbies bsd?

>>59304628
OpenBSD is pretty easy if you just follow the FAQ and you'll also learn a lot.

>>59304654
All the BSDs have pretty good documentation, not just OpenBSD.

>>59284281
linux?

more like CIAoS

at least muh windows wasn't playing holier than thou all the time

get rekt autists

>>59304566
E.g. routers and firewalls

>>59304906
Hubris will be OpenBSDs fall as well. FreeBSD never claimed to be especially secure, it just aims to be stable and aims to be well-preforming.

>>59304941
Assuming you don't run public-facing daemons on your router or firewall, FreeBSD can do just as well - and it can jail whatever public-facing daemons you do want to run, so even if someone gains priviledged access they can't do more than fuck up the jail which can be resource limited with rctl and can be shut down and reverted in a matter of seconds.

>>59304961
>Hubris will be OpenBSDs fall as well.
See >>59288717

>>59305175
I helped with those audits, I'm just saying that hubris will always win out in the end.

>>59304628
FreeBSD is definitely the best for new users. The documentation is better. OpenBSD is better in general though, so after you understand FreeBSD, switch to OpenBSD.
The OpenBSD people keep making their documentation smaller and smaller every month now.

>>59305210
>I helped with those audits
if X@Y is you
what is X and what is Y

>>59286101
They're exploiting Firefox on Linux so, probably.

>>59288948
PPC looks good too.

Then again the NSA's leaks last year showed them targeting all kinds of stuff, 68k, MIPS, ARM, SPARC, PPC, you name it.

>>59290835
>How the fuck is it going to stop actual CIA nigger from monitoring you?
You can read and understand the source code and there is no networking.

Terry's code is tight as fuck.

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>>59292118
You can also get the book The Design And Implementation Of The FreeBSD Operating System which will teach you all about the internals. Best Unix OS internals book ever.

>>59302032
It's much better than Linux or FreeBSD or other OS's in this regard.

If you can find an OpenBSD vuln in this CIA release show it, shitposter.

>>59300197
The alleged FBI backdoor was related to Heartbleed anon.

>>59304628
There's a newb FreeBSD distro called PCBSD. Everything comes set up for you. With FreeBSD after installation you have a console and then can install X and stuff. PCBSD will boot right to your window manager that you select in the install.

It's nice but it's just FreeBSD with extra fluff. I use FreeBSD because I have for years.

>>59292156
CIA is /ourguy/

>BSD
Not on my desktop. I'm switching to Haiku.

I just wiped OS X off of my iMac and installed FreeBSD. The directories and the file locations for xorg related stuff seems kinda weird at first, otherwise, pretty good so far.

Linux is good for hacking which is why the CIA uses it. That doesn't mean that Linux is compromised nigger. I'm not a hacker but what kind of fucking hacker would use Windows of MacOS?

WHY DO THEY HAVE TO FUCKING COMPLICATE EVERYTHING AND DO SHIT VIA THE TERMINAL?? FUCKING .BIN FILES? CONVERT IT TO .RPM? SO FUCKING STUPID WHAT IS THIS SHIT? TOOK ME 2 FUCKING HOURS TO GOOGLE HOW TO INSTALL JAVA. VIDEOS BUFFER ON THE SPOT AND FREEE UP. I CAN'T EVEN INSTALL IT FUCKING BULLSHIT MAN. FUCKING GAY AS UNITY SHIT? WDF? WHEN DID THEY ADD THAT? I TRIED OUT COMPIZ AND IT FUCKING DISABLED MY UNITY THEME AND MY FUCKING UBUNTU CLASS THEME W/E IT'S CALLED. SO I WAS FOR 1 WHOLE FUCKING HOURS TRYING TO DO A SYSTEM RESTORE BUT HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO THAT? IT'S LIKE ERASING EXPLORER.EXE AND FUCKING DISABLING THE TASK MANAGER. THEN I HAD TO DO A LAUNCHER SHIT? FUCKING HOMO I SWEAR THANK GOD I REMEMBER AND FOUND THE PREFERENCE DIRECTORY AND FROM THERE WAS ABLE TO ENABLE WINDOWS ~SOMESHIT. UBUNTU LOOKS SO FUCKING GAY NOW WITH 2 FUCKING BARS. HOW DO I RESTORE UNITY? AND HOW THE FUCK DO I INSTALL JAVA WITHOUT FUCKING OPENING THE NIGGER-COLORED TERMINAL. NIGGA AUTHORIZATION DENIED? I'M THE FUCKING ADMINISTRATOR SON :facepalm: SHIT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN OS X OR WINDOWS. WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GAY ASS OS TELLING IM NOT THE ADMIN? FUCKING BULLSHIT SON, WON'T TAKE MY PASS TO AUTHORIZE A FILE CONVERSATION? GTFO PLEASE FFS. NOT TO MENTION THERE'S NO FUCKING TRANSPARENCY NIGGA I WANT MY AERO SHIT MAN. I WANT GLOSSY WINDOWS SON. I FUCKING WANT MY MAC'S SEXY ASS DOCK. NOT SOME BOOTLEGGED CAIRO SHIT. LOL NIGGA THE FUCK? IS AWN STILL KICKING? FUCKING SHIT MAN I SWEAR THIS OS IS SOOOOOOOOO FUCKING HOMO AND GAY THE COLORS ARE SO STALE AND THE THEMES ARE SHIT. PROB DOESN'T EVEN HAVE SUPPORT. THERE'S GRAPHIC GLITCHES BUT SINCE IT'S ALL OPEN SOURCED AND FUCKING SHIT NO ONE FIXES IT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THESE OPEN SOURCE CODE DEPENDANT FAGGOTS. LIKE BITCHES THAT BE DEPENDING ON OPENOFFICE FOR A FUCKING CORPORATION THEN QQ WHEN THE PROBLEM CRASHES THAT REMINDS ME, THERE'S A VID SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY COMPARE FUCKING OFFICE 2007 TO OPENOFFICE. WELL W/E FUCKING GAY ASS UBUNTU FUCK

>>59307276
Are you using ZFS? If not, just reinstall immediately before you get /comfy/. It's worth it.

>>59307446
>Linux is good for hacking which is why the CIA uses it. That doesn't mean that Linux is compromised nigger.
No what means it's compromised is that there are tools to compromise it in the leak.

>>59307774
I thought ZFS was for multiple disks. It's not?

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>>59307871
Nah you can install onto one disk to start with and add more disks later and dynamically grow your system, just trust me.

Go read the wiki article for ZFS, there's no reason not to use it and even just with one disk there are numerous advantages - transparent on-the-fly compression and decompression, file checksumming, etc. It's really the way to go. captcha related

>>59284281

Ha! Checkmate I already moved to Plan9.

>>59295482
yeah, except the whole point is that they have 0 days and if they had them 4 years ago they have them now

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>>59307912
>not using 9front

>>59307936

wtf is 9front I'm out of touch.

>>59306775
It's not, simply because the OS's security model entirely revolves around wishful thinking. "everyone is perfect and bugs can't happen", "everyone is perfect and nobody could overlook any bug if they did happen", "privilege escalation doesn't matter if it's not a remote execution exploit", "we don't need jails... look! jails! we invented that! It'll only be ready in 10 years, we win again!", etc.

It may or may not be true that openbsd is more secure by default than the average GNU distro (there aren't enough bsd users to even make that claim -- no users = no reason to target = no malicious 3rd parties looking for flaws = significantly lesser flaw discovery rate; but it can empirically be asserted that the openbsd devs care more about code audits than the linux fundation -- but again, how can you say that e.g. the NSA is less interested in code auditing linux than openbsd devs are interested in code auditing openbsd? The NSA has actual security goals, the openbsd devs only have marketing goals).

However, it is a trivial fact that a properly configured openbsd not only completely throws the audit advantage away but also happens to be less secure than a properly configured GNU OS because there quite simply aren't as many layers of security that can even be put on top of openbsd. The equation is fairly trivial too: if you have X on top of Y, and X never touches a level lower than or equal to Y, then it follows that it is impossible for X to compromise Y even if it is a malicious program. At worst it merely exposes Y to be exploited, thus it is at worst no defense and at best non-0 defense.

>>59295482
It's not always viable for people to upgrade production systems with every bugfix. For example, doing so may break the system due to some unforeseen changes to the underlying architecture necessary to fix the bug. Thus, a testing period must happen first in most cases (there are exceptions and it's becoming more and more popular to quickly deploy critical updates, thankfully, but it's still not applicable to a lot of internet-facing sites).

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>>59307964
9front is a fork of Plan 9, the successor to Unix made by the fine people at Bell Labs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

Activity slowed so it was forked and it's very active now, has been for a number of years.

http://9front.org/propaganda/

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9front has a built in troll post generation feature even. It's quite literally our OS.

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9front runs on practically any old computer you can scrounge up too, it's super lightweight.

>>59304566
>cryptography stack

>>59308243
this looks like the biggest fucking meme os

post screens faggot

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>>59308657
OK you CIA nigger.

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>>59308657
And yes, it IS the biggest meme OS out there. It's a phone-company grade hard core patrician OS though too.

>>59308688
>>59308673
yea but can it compile and play doom

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>>59308710
Yes of course you CIA nigger.

>>59285017
BSD is what you always wanted linux to be yet could never live up to.

>>59308733
How is a slow OS with no hardware support that also happens to be mostly insecure and can't reliably run the software I need daily, what I always wanted linux to be yet could never live up to?

>>59284281

No, because the NSA planted backdoors into OpenBSD, and if they're willing to compromise something that obscure, they've probably done it to FreeBSD as well.

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>>59308765
You're making shit up because 9front is the anti-SJW OS. It's secure and fast as fuck BTW, it will easily run on 30 year old hardware.

>>59308765
freebsd is pretty much known as being able to run all kinds of hardware and theyve been able to run and compile programs written for linux for YEARS

im pretty sure they actually straight convert sys calls or something

>Now that Linux is confirmed CIA software will you be making the switch?
I already have 4 years ago.

>>59308807
U wot m8? Netbsd is known to run on all kinds of hardware, not freebsd, but I'm trying to run on laptops and desktops and not toasters and raspi's, where freebsd doesn't have hardware support for shit. In particular, no broadcom wifi whatsoever despite the fact that broadcom wifi is probably by far the most popular chip vendor.

As for linux compatibility support, the fact is linux software run through that interface crashes all the fucking time if it even runs at all. Might as well call it line (LINux Emulator) in its infancy.

>>59284281
>use firejail for everything
>grsec
>no systemdick
gg no re nsafags

>>59309203
>U wot m8? Netbsd is known to run on all kinds of hardware, not freebsd, but I'm trying to run on laptops and desktops and not toasters and raspi's, where freebsd doesn't have hardware support for shit. In particular, no broadcom wifi whatsoever despite the fact that broadcom wifi is probably by far the most popular chip vendor.
So don't use Broadcom. My Intel wifi works out of box with FreeBSD. Most audio, video, etc. is fully supported. A bonus with FreeBSD is that their ABI has remained stable since forever, so drivers for obscure hardware still work just fine.

Also while NetBSD does run on a shit load of architectures, FreeBSD supports a bunch now too.

>linux software run through that interface crashes all the fucking time if it even runs at all
The Linux support is quite good, you sound butthurt anon.

>>59309323
>So don't use Broadcom
Stopped reading here (i.e. when you backpedalled all the way to mars)

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>>59309386
>backpedalled
So one thing doesn't work, Linux has the same issue with some devices being unsupported too.

Literally the solution in both cases is to pick hardware which is supported. It's 2017.

>>59309386
Bwi or bwn? What chipset?

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>>59284281
Fuck BSD, backdoors everywhere
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/fbi-accused-of-planting-backdoor-in-openbsd-ipsec-stack/
https://cryptome.org/2012/01/0032.htm
http://www.cnet.com/news/report-of-fbi-back-door-roils-openbsd-community/
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/allegations-openbsd-backdoors-may-be-true

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>>59307936

they have the best aesthetics of any distro

No there is another. VMS.

CIA doesn't need to compromise FreeBSD because it's already an insecure mess.

https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.txt

big balls. piercedwater's favorite.

>>59308224
>9front has a built in troll post generation feature even. It's quite literally our OS.

>Unlimited Detail is different from existing 3D graphics systems because it can process unlimited point cloud data in real time.

hahahahahaha

>>59309533
Literally none of them work as far as I know. BCM4322 in this specific case though.

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>>59309633
Were going to have to revert to old IBM mainframe technologies like system 370 or 390 and update them for today.

>>59309635
My biggest problem with openbsd by far is precisely what you just posted: they have no argument whatsoever for any of the points they try to advocate and end up literally making up issues when there are none, hinting that something is wrong but refusing to tell anyone why, and so on and so forth.

>>59309747
The page details very specific high-level issues throughout FreeBSD, and even includes one-line hotfixes for many of the problems that don't need additional development. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>59309705
99% of the time PEBKAC

>>59309806
That's the thing: it purports to doing so but as soon as you actually read it you notice it just dances in circles while claiming victory, never actually proving the claim. Clauses are always of the form: X is bad. A -> B. A, therefore B. Therefore X. Notice how there aren't any link whatsoever between A or B, and X.

>>59309831
Uhuh. Is that why it literally doesn't work and nobody in the actual freebsd community has managed to make it work and it's not supported as per the support page?

>>59309633
I subscribe to comp.os.vms and some of the people there keep trying to refuse that open source could be useful. They're pathetic, they try to rationalise using a closed-source OS.

>>59285447
>hurr durr all software has bugs
Yes, all software has bugs, but that's what full audits are for. If software is audited enough, all bugs will be removed eventually.

Although not exploit-free, OpenBSD is the most resistant to exploitation.

>>59309856
The NTP and OpenSSL sections give a list of security advisories to demonstrate that they're "questionable" code bases. Do you think encrypting swap is pointless? Do you think the lack of ASLR and other mitigations (that even Windows has) is fine and dandy, or do you need a research paper to explain it to you?

Take off your fanboy goggles and apply some common sense, anon. If anyone's dancing in circles with vague claims, it's you.

>>59309934
security through obscurity sounds like a great idea!

>>59285017

BSD = Bull Shit, Dude

Why is *BSD even around when any fucking Linux distro will do the same damn thing? Oh, because coders are stubbornly attached to their pet projects and will pursue the creation of irrelevant abominations just to spite another development team.

>>59309974
like that same logic doesnt apply to the entirety of the linux eco system lol

except the problem is compounded since its used by millions of devices and people

>>59301904
Given they have exploits for MacOS, it seems likely they have for the various BSDs, given MacOS is built on a BSD base. BSD just isn't specifically listed there because hardly anyone uses it.

Who cares? Are you guys pedophiles or something? I use Linux because I like it and windows is turning into iOS with the windows store.

>>59310024
it is idiotic to think because they are based off a similar kernel that they have the same kernel, especially since the exploits very well might be recent changes, long after they branched off

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>>59309705
Literally most work.

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>>59309974
>pet projects

>>59310095
>literally virtually none work
FTFY and thanks for providing the proof thereof.

>>59310116
LOL you're salty for some reason. Maybe because you keep getting BTFO.

>>59284508
>THEY PASSINGLY MENTIONED LINUX, LINUX IS DONE FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking shills.

>>59310158
>PASSINGLY MENTIONED
don't shill so hard shill, linux was BTFO by this leak

>>59310170
>linux was BTFO by this leak
If Linux was "BTFO", I don't want to think what happened to Windows, Android, OSX and iOS then.

>>59284281
How to fix CIA zero days:
>Wait a week
>sudo apt-get update
>sudo apt-get upgrade
done.

>>59310260
>giving the cia an entire fucking week
>actually unironically thinking ubugu ever updates shit
>using anything but hardened gentoo with full firejail setup

>>59310065
Maybe. But given how long some flaws have gone unnoticed, you shouldn't entirely discount the idea either.

>>59285647
You know that you can install a DE on BSD right?

Once you've got your BSD install complete and are connected to internet, you can pick any flavor you really want - kde, gnome, lxde, etc

>>59284804
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What' you're referring to as schizo is infact schizophrenia.

>>59309709
z/OS, z/VM, Z/TPF, z/VSE and PR/SM are still around

>>59311024
I'm afraid how long that could take. I tried installing gcc on a clean install and gave up after an hour and half (as in I got impatient and just shut the vm down).

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BSD is so shitty only a paid shill would recommend it.

>>59311486
My laptop hasn't been having a problem with FreeBSD since I installed it, but I didn't install any gui stuff because I don't need a desktop or any gui stuff really for it, I just plan on running any of that stuff in another terminal for xorg or whatever.
Just read the documentation all you have to do is find the package files and type in a command it's basically all just up to your cpu speed. Just install one part at a time if you're that impatient then come back and do another one later. Have a second computer around to do stuff with and trouble shoot or do stuff that keeps you from being bored, that's what I do.

>>59284281
Why in the ever loving fuck would I ever use *BSD on the desktop? It's fine for its uses, but Linux can work on the desktop just fine.

>>59284596
240 replies in and not only the OP but shit like this is still floating around. I really hate you /g/.

>>59301467
This. I was thinking of going with freeNAS just for ZFS, but that too can fuck off.
inb4 why not btrfs in the first place.

Convince me to run any of the BSDs. Really, what do I gain from using it? Linux is being worked by thousands and thousands of developers from people with loads of money. It's worth having all that support and gives you insurance that it's not going away any time soon. I have ways to play media with mpv and Clementine. I can use a modern graphics card, boot up, and even play videogames with some distributions. A chink tablet works fine straight out of the box. I have ZFS now. Did I mention how it's one of the biggest collaborative projects in all of humanity?

>>59284281

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>>59308773
How do I get a copy of plan9

>>59286131
>>59286647
you better just use deblob script

>>59286647
Basically just gentoo because you can literally set a flag and let it do its thing. A few other distros also have deblobbed kernels but for obvious reasons you can't actually trust them. Other than that, you can almost always compile your own kernel anywhere but you'll have to do it manually the whole way down.

>>59311932
shout out 2 el8 crew

>>59312249
9front.org

>>59305381
I'm not going to doxx myself on 4chan.

>>59307909
You can add another disk to a single disk, and convert that vdev to a mirror, but you can't add two and convert it to raidz1. For that you need to add additional vdevs.

>>59309323
Every OS has problems with Broadcom NICs, not just FreeBSD - FreeBSD just has standards of stability, and will not include an unstable driver for bad pieces of hardware that have stability issues on every other OS that has drivers for it (there are some broadcom drivers supported, but those are stable despite broadcom being shit because effort has been put into fixing them).

>>59309593
None of those backdoors were found through multiple audits, but it's remarkably easy to make such claims whereas debunking them takes a LOT of time. Cry wolf some more, kid.

>>59309635
FreeBSD may not be as secure as OpenBSD, but its base system is arguably more complex - and while the defaults do leave something to be desired, that text file just goes to show that its surprisingly easy to fix whatever defaults it has, if you're so inclined.

>>59309940
ASLR is being worked on, it's not like it doesn't take time to add. As is capsicumizing all of the base system, something OpenBSD doesn't even have.

>>59309974
*BSDs exist because of the same reason BSD existed before Linux ever did.

>>59310158
>OpenBSD gets backdoor accusations, developers spend a long time auditing every single line of code
>Linux gets proof of backdoors, people go "Eh, it's opensource, what are you gonna do?, shrug and go back to ricing instead of doing something productive.

>>59311486
pkg, motherfucker.

>>59311794
Why not try it for the same reasons you tried Linux to begin with - as an alternative. The BSDs do things differently from Linux, and that difference is well-documented among other places here: https://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01

>>59311932
kek

>>59309940
Also, if you're that worried about security, use HardenedBSD.

>>59286103
wild guess but would it be easier to exploit a constant?

>>59314025
>you can't add two and convert it to raidz1
sure but for a home user copies=2 and multiple drives is probably more than enough protection

>>59309970
>obscurity
literally not at all what openbsd does though, nice shilling though

>>59310024
MacOS has new CIA exploits and tens of millions of people use it. You shills might think nobody does but clearly the CIA knows that high-value targets use Macs.

>>59285721
>early monolithic version of Mach research kernel
are you trying to imply that this component of os x hasn't changed since they used it in nextstep?

it is regularly updated as part of the base system

of course any 35+ year old OS like OS X could be said to have been based on / created with / inspired by old technology when you look back more than a quarter century later

>>59285864
too difficult without a graphical installer anon?

text editing files in /etc getting you down?

yeah it's a hard OS if you're computer stupid

>>59286540
Tor can be owned if enough nodes are owned, and it is strongly suspected that they are.

>>59287637
FreeBSD 11 has a number of security features which are new and help a lot with 0 days if you enable them.

>>59299768
Angry manlet detected.

>>59308076
all that whining to state that your precious ACLs are never going into the system

>>59308768
>the NSA planted backdoors into OpenBSD
there was a vuln in openssl, which affected every major and most minor OS's but it was fixed

nice shitpost though

>>59311794
>Linux is being worked by thousands and thousands of developers from people with loads of money.
this is half the problem dummy

>>59301467
>ZFS on a system without ecc memory
no thanks, i'll stick to btrfs

Dont get me wrong, I'd use ZFS in production environment any day but for my own computing btrfs.

>>59315515
>using anything without ecc memory
lol it's no worse than using zfs without ecc

>>59315118
No, copies=2 is useless for the kind of hardware redundancy and high availability that mirroring or parity-backed data-striping offers. Copies exist for three reasons:
● Improves data retention by enabling recovery from unrecoverable block read faults, such as media faults (commonly known as bit rot) for all ZFS configurations.
● Provides data protection, even when only a single disk is available.
● Enables you to select data protection policies on a per-file system basis, beyond the capabilities of the storage pool.

>>59315538
The average /g/ poster hasn't ever run anything in production and only run Linux on hobbyist-level, so they don't know what the word stability means, or what use RAS is.

>>59284368
doesnt overwatch have built in wallhacks?

>>59306595
>Best Unix OS internals book ever.
The entire reason I started using FreeBSD and continue to do so is the documentation, both first and third party handbooks and textbooks. They are easily some of the best things I've read, they always explain everything I need to know and nothing more, I learned everything I needed to know about maintaining and operating an installation via the handbook.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/
There's a bunch of books on writing drivers, the make system they have, high availability/redundancy, and anything else you'd ever need or want. It's really great in that regard and I wish everyone took documentation so seriously, I don't care what the merits of an OS are if I don't know how to utilize them. I make this same argument when talking about software libraries too.

>>59307771
They have autism, so what can you expect?

>>59284281
I'm on the fence here, but I need one question answered.
Does FreeBSD overcommit virtual memory?

>>59318451
>The vm.overcommit sysctl defines the overcommit behaviour of the vm subsystem. The virtual memory system always does accounting of the swap space reservation, both total for system and per-user. Corresponding values are available through sysctl vm.swap_total, that gives the total bytes available for swapping, and vm.swap_reserved, that gives number of bytes that may be needed to back all currently allocated anonymous memory. Setting bit 0 of the vm.overcommit sysctl causes the virtual memory system to return failure to the process when allocation of memory causes vm.swap_reserved to exceed vm.swap_total. Bit 1 of the sysctl enforces RLIMIT_SWAP limit (see getrlimit(2)). Root is exempt from this limit. Bit 2 allows to count most of the physical memory as allocatable, except wired and free reserved pages (accounted by vm.stats.vm.v_free_target and vm.stats.vm.v_wire_count sysctls, respectively).
https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING

Does this help?

>>59318825
Yes.

If someone were too lazy to create a repository of tarballs for pkginstall can you just move the tar to a USB and run the install off of that?

>>59309934
OpenBSD is in the backpocket of MS whom is also in the backpocket of various spy agencies.

FreeBSD if it ever fell into harms way would be forked as has already been done by some mega autismos and then if that fork falls victim a new one is created and so on. They can't win.

>>59316839
>documentation
Things that nobody read.

>>59314025
It's not dox if you don't use your real name in your email address, and only retards use their real name online.

>>59316626
>production
>hobbyist
Those literally aren't different levels, other than for choosing whether or not to shut down a computer at night if it's too loud for you sleep with it on. Only capitalists and wageslaves worry about their webstore having milliseconds of downtime per month.
>muh lost profit

>>59284281
>implying the botnet isn't at hardware level
>implying you won't get tracked as soon as you connect to the internet
>implying any os will protect you

>>59285099
Oh for fucks sake, so you're telling me that there's a split between Linux and BSD much in the same where there's a split between Linux and Windows?

So Linux is the Windows of the UNIX world now? It's like inception levels of bullshit.

>>59321192
It's not like my real name isn't possible to find if you look hard enough for the email I use for that work.

>>59321230
You're showing your colors simply by making that statement, and it shows how much you don't know.
I work as a Tier1 SP senior network admin, and if I fuck up, billions of people notice - just look at the poor sod who brought down US-EAST-1 on AWS.

>>59321384
That's pretty much exactly what it's become. It used to be for hackers, now it's for users.

>>59321399
I still use it for hacking. It's good thing to suck in some normalfags too, just to make us be noticed.

>>59321518
You should try one of the BSDs. More useful users, instead of the ones that just copy/paste commands without even thinking about it - and the base install is made for hacking, because you get a compiler, an editor and everything else you need out of a default installation.

>>59321192
>and only retards use their real name online.
t. I've never worked a professional job before

>>59321384
There has always been a split. Linux has practically nothing to do with BSD aside from the unix like operating system gnu provided.
Read any unix book ever made and it'll give you a little back history on unix and unix like systems.

>>59321578
Well, Linux devs can push fucking hardware devs to release documentation for their stupid product. This way, Linux can improve BSD. Also the userspace on desktops are mostly the same.

>>59285451
>It has atrocious hardware support and all relevant browsers run like shit on it.

No it does not have "atrocious" support. "Lacking" would be a more accurate term because all it takes is for someone to write the driver. Atrocious support would imply that the operating system's underlying architecture for drivers is badly designed and closed-source which is not the case for BSD.

>freeBSD
OpenBSD is the only secure, reliably maintained and carefully audited *nix. FreeBSD is cancer.

>>59284984
Just installed OBSD on my T420. Had full functionality straight out of the box including all the buttons etc. Super smooth install.

Though I haven't tested wifi, I'm using ethernet. I like how it feels so far, still setting everything up but probably going to try putting it on my old Powerbook Duo next.

>>59285447
oBSD isn't exploit-free because it has a minority user share. That's the linux meme. It's secure because it's very carefully maintained and regularly audited. Open source fails when bloat and complexity means that no one is actually reviewing any one's pushes. Backdoors are hidden in public through information flooding

>>59300167
What are you talking about? oBSD's install is fucking trivial, like 'choose hostname, domain name, root pw, and autosetup internet connection via dhcp' trivial. thinkpad support at least is a given.

>>59321967
Even doas came out as buggy as hell, altought they could test it with only with a wrong config file. I don't trust them either.

>>59314025
>As is capsicumizing all of the base system, something OpenBSD doesn't even have.
it has pledge

>>59311794
>people use it therefore it's good
i guess windows is good

>>59316839
you may have just converted me

>>59321689
I don't know what you mean about userspace I don't use a desktop on my BSD machine it's just a terminal(s). If there is any similarity it's from mostly gnu attempting to be unix like, both are basically just descendants of unix even if they have different writing to do replicate it to act like unix. I don't know how similar the kernels are but looking past their essential functionality to the system it's really just a small part of it all and all the intercompatibility is probably due to posix and ansi c. If linux hadn't of been using gnu stuff as the default it probably would of been a BASIC/dos situation with everything getting slight changes and variation until it was no longer compatible with one another.
I really doubt linux can improve BSD they are just two different things. Not everything needs to be a desktop OS it's probably good people have choices with to do all that stuff with if they want.

>>59324082
You didn't understood. Never mind.

>>59324120
No I understand. You want a desktop GUI. You don't seem to know the real differences between the two OS'.
I wanted a unix terminal system. Downloaded freebsd, what do you know I got a free unix terminal system. That was dope. If you want to dress it up to look like windows or mac that's your call pal. There is some compatibility between the two but you're just trying to reinvent the wheel.
BSD has no problem if you want to make a fork of their project and start something like that because muh security.

>>59284900
Should I install OpenBSD on my old g4 iBook? We PowerPC nao

>>59324276
someone once told me that it was pretty much the 2nd best OS for it after OSX itself

>>59324276
>Should I install [...]BSD[...]?
No.

>>59324241
Missed the point. Again.

>>59324396
Don't bother, BSDtards (and especially openbsdinbreds) know nothing but to build and respond to (or attack) strawmen. Anyone with even half a brain can see they keep missing every single point but from their point of view, they're constantly on point and always BTFOing shills or whatever.

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>>59284804
nigger canąót predict random numbers or mexican juming beans

>>59324587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHoi8OqWUF0

>>59316626
>The average /g/ poster hasn't ever run anything in production
I'm not the average /g/ poster though. ZFS is the future.

>>59320907
>They can't win.
They already won, the win condition is to be off Windows and Linux.

>>59322040
It lacks a GUI installer so normies get scared.

I'm not complaining, I can handle using a text interface.

>>59324032
FreeBSD has the best documentation of all the freetard OS's. This is not up for debate.

>>59324396
Then say what you mean. BSD tends to reject firmware. Sounds like you want firmware support.
>>59324538
I'm not associated with BSD. I just wanted a barebones unix system and freebsd is the closest thing to that. It's pretty nice a lot of the generic desktop stuff can be added to it if you want it, but the whole panic people are throwing over recent events is completely over blown.

>>59325615
>BSD tends to reject firmware. Sounds like you want firmware support.
To be fair with FreeBSD the firmware is often a binary blob.

>>59325615
Is that why openbsd is chuckfull of binary firmware that are totally not called blobs because blobs are evil and we're blob free because we redefined the word blob to mean drivers?

Are you saying that this bsd can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

That sounds preposterous to me.

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Windows 10, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. Redhat and canonical tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing Linux but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

Its just not possible that a freeware like the BSD could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

>>59326311
openbsd only has proprietary blobs that run on hardware peripherals, no proprietary software runs on the OS itself, no proprietary software has OS access

>>59326311
no a blob is some binary you don't have the source to and which is nonobvious in function

don't try to be a CIA nigger and get all SJW by redefining terms

>>59326410
Nice backpedaling openbsdtard. That's why nobody take your ilk seriously. At least there's libertybsd, barely.

>>59326424
I'm not the one redefining terms. OpenBSDtards are. Thanks for calling out the openbsdtards for changing terms so that they can fit their narrative. I appreciate the support.

>>59326454
You're retarded. Openbsds way has no security issues, unless your mouse has a gps chip in it.

>>59326454
go fuck yourself riley, stop shilling your dead distro

>>59326470
Surprise I don't even use BSD. I been posting on windows the whole time. You don't even need to be on the botnet the botnet has come to you and is recording everything you do along with what I do.
Does that sound like helicopters to you?
What was that noise.
Are they on to you?
Quick install gentoo

>>59326470
>I'm not the one redefining terms.
yes you are

>>59327012
I see that it's called openbsd because they open people's skulls to remove the BrainSd.

>>59327477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxa13-eNsY

>>59321268
You're right. Only with open-source hardware can you be safe. Software is only as free as the hardware it runs on.

>>59327514
At least he's bumping the thread since my question never got answered.

>>59326311
>guys I want an os that doesn't have binary blobs
>how about BSD sure all the package installs are binary blobs but the big bad botnet might not be in there because I have no idea how it all works