> "It's only good for workstations" le meme

>>59249128
Thank you

People here don't understand how cores work, they think they're going to help everything

>>59249128
>7700K fanclub
Be a good goy, and count how much shekels can i spare with 7700K.

>>59249184
> I have no argument, let's call them jews
fuck off racist child

>>59249194
I am the jew, you racist scum.

>>59249223
fuck off bitch

>>59249229
Suck my circumcised penis.

>>59249286
https://youtu.be/vLfAtCbE_Jc?t=5s

>>59249301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPxGjCgIamc

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>using normie tier programs
>not using CFD or actual real work programs

WEW LAD you gaymen are not even funny anymore. For scientific computing Ryzen destroys, wendell confirmed for linux usage also.

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-10.html

>>59249128
>One benchmark, in Photoshop that barely using more than 3 cores
Delete your account

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/18

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/20

>>59249128
>yfw benchmarkers put out false benchmarks knowing full well they'd be shitposted for years to come because of dumb intelfaggots
Drink Zyklon-b anon

>>59249383
I just told you you illiterate fuck that rendering without even touching a computer is like 1% of the time you ever use a computer. Did you even read the OP. Jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

>>59249365
It's a boring animu.

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>>59249405
You should buy a mac then

>>59249365
>Here is a benchmark of a simulation WHILE IT RUNS THE SIMULATION
That's 1% of the time you actually operate a Workstation you stupid fuck.
It's what you do DURING the SETUP of the simulation that is the work.

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>>59249128
>muh memelake

>>59249418
> pay for good hardware that costs $400...... $800
: the meme

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kek. Do you realize that for meshing you do parallel computing. Setting up the simulation is not even the problem is more the meshing and iteration that is problematic

>>59249441
That's during FINAL rendering you stupid fuck. That's literally 1% of the time you ever use a WORKstation. Jesus fucking christ go google what a workstation is it is NOT a server farm.

>>59249128
>Adobe
Way to shoot yourself in the foot right out of the gate.

>>59249441
>>59249464
Let alone rendering is best done on a GPU nowadays, not on a CPU.

>>59249405
You don't need to not touch the computer when rendering if you're not poor and have more than a quad core you dipshit

>>59249456
Not trolling, isn't it faster to do those things with a GPU nowadays?

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>>59249464
Baka, for CFD simulations what takes most of the time is the actual iterations and meshing, that is not user configuration of the simulation per se. Gaymen should fuck off

>>59249482
It's still 1% of the time you ever use a Workstation, and rendering is best done by GPUs nowadays anyway.

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>>59249464
>cinebench doesn't count because I say s
Here's another bench for you
>>59249475
It's not like rendering is the only use of CPUs. Doesn't change the fact that rendering is a good way of benchmarking, though.

>>59249504
>and rendering is best done by GPUs nowadays anyway.
And? Should I intentionally cripple my multitasking and multithreaded performance when hexa cores and octa cores are becoming cheaper and cheaper?

>>59249496
ebin

>>59249496
>Gaymen should fuck off
The gaming market is what keeps AMD alive.

>>59249526
>inb4 some autist starts screming cherry picking
The ryzen chips and the 6900k are going neck to neck in the same anandtech review. Seems nice considering the prices.

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>>59249489
Pretty much. In CFD what you want the most is RAM and CPU cache, which ryzen is offering at good prices

>>59249551
Look at their revenue sheet and tell me that again.

>>59249553
>screming
Screaming*

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Is this the kanna thread?

>>59249551
Because gamers are well known for needing $500 8 core 16 thread CPUs just to play video games on, right? It's not like AMD are going to release cheaper CPUs that are more tailored for gaming?

>>59249559
It says they're losing tens of millions in every sector and hundreds of millions in total.

Doesn't change the fact that game consoles and consumer GPUs make up a lot of AMD's business. Their fucking press release for their earnings says they hope their gaming products will help them return to profitability.

>>59249587
AMD seems to think so, they spent a lot of time marketing Ryzen 7 to gamers.

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>>59249587
Based anon understand this. Gaymen should stick with i5's or whatever AMD launches in response

Well I guess that is good considering no major manufacturers like dell or hp will be making ryzen workstations.

>>59249526
> 3D particle movement
That's literally why GPUs exist you stupid fuck. There is 0 reason to use a CPU for basic particle movement since the 90s. That test has no relation to the reality of a real game or a real workstation.

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>>59249522
buy our ryzen
pls

>>59249553
>>inb4 some autist
Are you literally projecting? 3D particle movement is literally why GPUs exist. There is 0 reason to use a CPU for that job, it has never been a reason to use a CPU for that job since the 90s and that benchmark will never have any impact in the realities of a common game or common workstation.

>>59249405
Maybe it's 1% for you and the 30 second meme videos you render and upload but for I spend a lot of time in Premiere making non-/v/ video and I'm rendering almost all of the time unless I'm editing or researching. Fuck off back to /v/ you consumerist pigs.

>>59249553
It's pretty much around the 6900k and sometimes even close to a 6950X even with broken software support(less so on Linux)
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/74814-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-performance-review-9.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/74814-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-performance-review-10.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/74814-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-performance-review-11.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/74814-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-performance-review-12.html
^
Same site with productivity benches

And a more serious enterprise aimed workload with XeonPh and dual Xeon tests.
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

With a newer kernel(still without the SMT fix: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Ryzen-Newer-Kernel)
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-linux-benchmarks-zen-buy/

This CPU isn't a joke, it does fantastic at low power, it has a cTDP option for 35W and runs 8 cores at 1.9GHz, the 10 core Broadwell Xeons runs at 2.4 at 95W and those are top binned for leakage parts, that should tell you something.

AMD has a fantastic low power core that scales down to literally around 2.5-3W

>>59249606
Marketing it to gamers that do more things than just play video games, like streaming or making videos, yes.

>>59249587
AMD are stupid for not releasing 1st thing their 4c/8c chips, bin them well to overclock well just for that and be gud at gaming and workstation benchmarks, i.e. exactly what Intel is doing for free advertisement.
Maybe though they can't because they don't have their own Foundries, dunno.
Though my guess is they are simply worse at Marketing.

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>>59249660
and some anon was saying this would not be used for workstations... kek the offer is too good unless intel start paying companies like they did before

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>>59249649
I'll but it if it can play the award winning Fallout 4 on the highest settings.

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Do not give attention to cherry picking intel troll babies. There is a huge squad of shills working in social media right now including both 4chan and reddit. You can tell by how they spam the same cherry picked images every times someone mentions Ryzen from a good side. On reddit your positive comment will be "countered" in a seconds and get 10+ upvotes pretty much immediately.

>>59249706
Maybe not the Ryzen lineup, some workloads will need a good amount of I/O and memory channels, but thankfully those aren't all that big in number, but the Opterons Snowy Owl and Naples will fix that with 8 channel memory and over 64 PCIe lanes without including the chipset.


Yup, these things will finally get AMD some well needed server market back, I really wanna see what happens with the next gen when they've had time to fix the firmware and software issues and include whatever was left out due to time for this core iteration.

>>59249739
> you haf no proofz
> he proceeds to post 0 proof
get out

>>59249755
Thanks for proving my point.

>>59249755
>multi-billion companies engage in deceptive marketing

Someone give a newspaper to this guy that just came from the mountain after 20 years.

AMD need to fire their shilling department. You simply do not market server farm chips to fucking imbeciles. The server market will never do free advertisement for you like the gamer and photoshop kids will.
Intel knows what they fuck they are doing.
You first release the gaming chips.

>>59249522
You know Zen is entirely aimed at the server market, right? The only growing x86 market

>>59249660
These are literally not relevant to 99% of people.

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>>59249742
True. Expecting launch of actual zen cpu's for productivity (the server tier one's). I hope the pro-grade stuff come with quad channel, although, I wouldn't discard ryzen multi core for productive stuff (in the sense of personal computing moreso).

m8, Ryzen is gimped on Windows 10 due to shitty drivers.

Admittedly they should have known before releasing the cpu

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>>59249522
>Implying

Daily reminder the profits are at large companies that do multi million contracts

>>59249794
99% of the PC market is much less than 1% of the server market
Intel lost mobile to ARM, where the PC users fled years ago

>>59249800
Any Zen with more than 8c will have quad channel, or even eight channels

>>59249699
The yields are too good to laugh the 4 and 6 cores
Ryzen doesn't over clock well since the process is tuned for low power

>>59249794
perf/watt is the defacto metric for everything but the gamer market, which depend on high clocks speed and ergo high voltages, said high voltages and high clocks are clearly counterproductive and plainly STUPID to enterprise/datacenter, mobile and embeded.

AMD is hunting multiple markets with this core, if they made a high clocking design I'd ask myself what the fuck were they thinking making a core that's only good for one market.
You'll get your CPU BORN FOR GAMING, but next year or the year after that, when AMD actually considers using a high clocking process.

Personally I don't really want this to happen so you retarded gaming children can continue having to pay out of the ass for $340 quad cores.

>>59249821
Most of those companies aren't scientists who need special snowflake CPUs. They're businesses that give their employees an i3 workstation in their cubicle while they push number around and write emails. They are content creators who use Photoshop. Most of these companies who buy thousands of computers at a time still need better single core performance than they need 8+ cores.

>>59249872
>perf/watt is the defacto metric for everything but the gamer market,
So then why doesn't ARM dominate?

>>59249877
They need better power consumption and cheaper machines, which Zen delivers, and the APU's will deliver much more
But that anon is talking about HPC and servers

>>59249900
Because ARM isn't better than x86 in perf/watt when it scales over 15 watts, furthermore the current ARM designers aren't very experienced designing low latency, low power data fabrics, like x86 ones, which are crucial to large rollouts.
Alongside that, ARM has a far inferior software library.
ARM may have its niche in dense servers, microservers where performance take a step back to I/O and memory.

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>>59249908
>>59249877

I have to agree with this. But also, the most lucrative contracts go to scientific computing, there is a reason why quadro cards cost that much... companies are willing to pay for it, and your margins are quite good.

Zen might have disappointed gaymen but i want to see what will happen on the high performance market

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>>59249365
> www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-10.html
top kek

>>59249908
Regardless, everything benefits from a low power but fast core, OEMs really like those because it reduced platform cost, that's why those Nvidia and AMD GPUs without a power connector are such hits, the vendor can cheap out on cooling, motherboards, PSUs, etc.

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>>59249976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_6rs9cBzvE

>UEFI updates can cause wild changes in performance, most of the time for the better

You forgot to show the other ones with are a sample of what can they do

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>>59249976
Guess AMD has work to do on Rodina software, no doubt these crashes are part due to Windows reading Ryzen CPUs as having 170MB of cache and sperging out, or maybe they have trouble reading the CCX configuration that looks more like 2 CPUs than a CPU with 2 clusters.
Bottom line software needs an update.

It really does nice in compute, I'm glad someone tests stuff in detail that isn't just games

>LAMMPS stands for Large-scale Atomic/Molecular Massively Parallel Simulator, and it didn’t just run flawlessly, but also really showed off Ryzen’s capabilities. In the resulting head-to-head race, AMD got there first more often than not.

You've got a ryzen vs Intel general now, please relocate to it and stop shitting up the board

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>>59249128
talks about workstations
posts a picture of photoshop one of the most highly serial programs...
are we fooling our selfs now

>>59250043
what is funny is that this should be the technical board but for some reason ppl are in games

Youtube reviews are not even worth mentioning unless it's wendell, since most of them are focused on gaming

>>59250043
Before someone jumps on "BULLDOZER DID GOOD IN COMPUTE TOO!"

Remember that Bulldozer needed twice the cores to do good in compute, the 16 core Opterons usually competed with 10 core Xeons, were completely uncompetitive in ST performance due to needing obscene voltages and on top of that needed insane amounts of power for that compute performance.
While Zen on the other hand has the same amount of cores, but uses less power against Broadwell, Intel will shrink this difference with Skylake Xeons but a 30% efficiency deficit is hard to beat without a die shrink, and they're launching a quarter or two later than Naples.


AMD will finally get some money from the high margin server sector, this will do great for their tiny R&D budget and improve both their CPU and GPU offerings.

>>59249650
ah yeah everything amd is good at it its suddenly not worth mentioning

we know the story

>>59250121
The wattage difference when mentioning computing farms is staggering is not even funny.

If AMD really success in this they will grow, and Intel will be forced to compete, which is good for the consumers in all ranges

>>59250121
Slightly unrelated
But despite the inherent shortcomings BD had it still managed to get major HPC wins, and did really well on servers
Zen will do ridiculously well, this is almost as disruptive as the first Opteron's were

Thankfully this thread was saved by a few people who know something more than youtube-tier EE knowledge.

We had a good few threads in the last few days, mostly dealing with Zen's efficiency with some nicely thought of posts.

>>59226509
>>59227118

The second one is pretty long and is almost free of shitposting, I suggest a read.
/g/ can get good threads too, but they're so fucking rare I end up barely going to this place and stalking RWT forums for interesting discussion.

>>59250147
you know the irony of amd?

they had athlons that had really bad windows support

then they created bulldozer that had really awesome mobos but the chip was a disaster

now we have an awesome chip with really bad BAD mobos...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5254424&viewfull=1#post5254424

chew is fucking ranting at every single mobo aib for their incopentence

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>>59249976
Here's a fullpage image, had to gimp resolution to fit in 5000px vertical and there's no way to fit in the subtests without work, but you get the picture, very good chip while using less power to boot.

AMD has a very good core on its hands, even during the K8 era it never had this much of a efficient core design.

>>59250201
X99 launched with buggy as fuck motherboards too, it took them 2-3 months to fix it.

This isn't really something new, companies use these HEDT lines to validate and bugtest their server parts, it's much faster than doing so in house, these HEDT markets aren't really all that big compared to servers and validation is absolutely crucial to servers, as evidenced by Intel's newest Atom fuckups.

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>>59250187
Thanks for those threads anon... Truly, like a friend was saying to me, you must be autistic to buy a computer only for gaymen

>>59250201
I agree... I think for now being a early adopter will be courting with the edge. I will wait at least 1 year when the market has established pretty well. What really surprises me is, like wendell mentioned, is that the chip is better built than those of intel

>Intelfags run away as soon as discussion switches from games to low-level discussion
Color me unsurprised.

>>59250278
the funny part is they dont really know how good this chip is...
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

the level of efficiency is almost linear

>>59250325
Praise kek. Gaymen should stay at /v/

>>59250334
Ryzen or the server version has given me the chance to build a CFD workstation i wanted for half the price. Feels good man

>>59250298
>>59250309

yeah but here we are talking about a chip that costs half of them offers more and its currently held back by the windows and the motherboards manufacturers..

i mean this is hilarious to watch ..we have to reach 2017 to actually say "asrock released a top notch motherboard" and not laugh or be in terror..

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>>59250334
You can see from the Fmax curve that this isn't a high clocking design, Intel cores have a more linear curve at higher voltages but they can't reach such a linear curve at lower voltages, so a clear design decision.

In a few quarters you'll see people scratching their head trying to figure out how AMD is gaining profits when "Ryzen" is a "failed" gamer CPU.

>>59250383
i really doubt you gonna find a 6900k with better graphs considering that 1800x has actually broken the record by 800mhz on all cores

>>59250383
>>59250334
This pretty much tells you everything.

Thanks Stilt for actually bothering doing these tests, youtube reviewers and garbage review sites that there's a completely different side to chips than gaming.
And it seems most of /g/ falls under that too, unfortunately.

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>>59250411
Forgot image.
Notice the effiency

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>>59250334

Raven ridge is going to be a serious piece of kit depending on how the igpu plays out. I suspect it will basically kick Intel in the teeth and Nvidia won't be too happy either as it brings together in a single package what requires going to Intel and Nvidia today.

Extrapolating forward from that it also effectively bars Nvidia (and most likely Intel) from ever getting a console contract again unless either of them comes out with a truly revolutionary product. This sort of scaling and AMD's big push for HSA is going to set them up to bring the fucking pain in some very lucrative markets simply because they (through their semi-custom designs) can offer a one stop shop for parts and designs.

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muh werkstayshunz

>>59250426
Raven Ridge could seriously hurt Nvidia's Tegra lineup

>>59250424
>over twice the perf/watt from a 300Mhz underclock

Insane, and that's a manual underclock, imagine what happens when AMD actually picks up golden chips for Naples and tunes the process for even lower voltages.
Intel's ass is seriously on fire, and it shows.

http://fortune.com/2017/02/09/intel-strategy-servers-pc/

>intel shifting focus from a mobile > desktop > server focus to a server > mobile > desktop focus

>>59250278
>more Red bars at the top than not, even when a overclocked 6900k is included

I'm so sorry Intel.

>>59250426
nvidia doesnt have a saying anymore on desktop we already know from intel that the first chips with amd hardware on it is set to come on this year..

just picture this on your head..intel will use the gcn ISA do you know what that means?the 2 major players will have 100% of the developers to optimize them into a single ISA instead of 3 (nvidia/intel/amd)

So funny to see all those Intel shills explaining why Ryzen is a failure forgetting all the facts :
- Ryzen is the only real innovation we had in the cpu world in the last 5 years
- Ryzen is the most efficient cpu platform ever

No wonders Intel is shitting their pants

>>59250468
>>
>http://fortune.com/2017/02/09/intel-strategy-servers-pc/

>Intel's answer is even less validation time on servers
Oh boy expect a bunch of these upcoming.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-atom-c2000-chips-are-bricking-products.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8376/intel-disables-tsx-instructions-erratum-found-in-haswell-haswelleep-broadwelly
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads/

And something else I missed.
Lack of validation shows, there has been talks that Intel fired a good number of validation because it considered it a waste of money because they had no competition, and it really shows.

>>59250564
They actually fired them to speed up validation and be more competitive with ARM, this started in 2013
The fruits of this amazing strategy are still going on

>>59249739
Welcome to another AMD Advocate Program member

>>59250512
I'm still skeptic of Intel using AMD's designs, they have far too much pride for that but considering how shit their GPU designs are that could be very true.
It would be good, more people would actually get a GPU with actual 3D drivers that can run more than dota on 720p minimum.

On the other hand it probably contacted Imagination tech to design a higher power PowerVR design but they probably told them to fuck off after dealing with them during the early atoms.

And Intel would rather roll over and die than use Nvidia's designs.

>>59249128
There are motherboard and Windows scheduler issues and Ryzen still comes close to matching a CPU that costs twice as much. Shill harder.

>>59250590
>look mom, I posted my JRPG stat ring again!

Ironically, Ryzen is not only shit for workstation, but also for games.

>as soon as serious arch-related talk starts shitposting magically disappears
Really makes you think.

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>>59250526

>>59250651
nvidia was asking the double essentially 3 billion per year

amd doesnt give a shit really having gcn ISA on intel even for free would have been great

the adreno is using it
intel is using it
all the consoles are using it
it is a land locked enviroment really

nvidia could have goten the mobile if they werent so pathetic with their tegra design..but you know nvidia is always nvidia

>>59250690
Repeating yourself doesn't make you right.

>>59250590
>>59250564
>>59250468
>>59250424
>>59250383
>>59250334
>>59250278
>>59250278
>>59250187
>>59250121
>>59249935
>>59249872
>>59249742
>>59249660


Aboo aboo, get a trip so I can filter you.

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>>59250690
>JRPG stat ring again
lost it

>>59250718
>>59250690

i-it's a hexagon, not a ring... heh... jewtel shills b-btfo

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>>59250716
No just repeating factual benchmarks makes me right.

>>59249128
>photoshop
>workstation

Boy, Intel highest revenue come from servers, just check out how Ryzen 1700X goes on server tasks agains the most expensive and advanced intel builds, it simply made it obsolete.
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

Intel is literally fucked.

>>59250690
It looks more like a HxH Nen chart.

>>59250740
It's almost adorable how hard you're trying, the posts you linked have literally swaths of computational benchmarks and you're responding with Dota.

I'm sorry but you're not at the level required for discussion ITT, try here, I found it on the catalog.
>>59248037

>>59250760
Lots of jap games use hexagons. Older PES I've played years ago come to mind.

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>>59250778

>>59249976
>It crashed in one of the tests due to Windows being a big piece of shit TOP KEK LEL AMD IS DED xDDDDDDDDDD

Kill yourself, shitstain.

>it's another ryzen is bad with absolutely no proof thread

>>59250827
>if I close my eyes nobody can prove my incorrect statement wrong XP

Back to Gaia, weeb.

>>59250741
>single 1700x outperforming dual 10core Broadwell-E Xeons
Haha- WHAT?

>>59250795
holy shit 1800x being only 7 FPS BEHIND despite all the problems it has?

OMG AMD IS BANKRUPT IS FINISHED IS IS IS fuck you that is what it is
7 fucking fps literally 3% without proper load balancing without a proper bios without even smt on

and you still are posting this shit like its some kind of a win that a 8c that is not even created for gaming is actually competitive

>>59249709

Waiting on the RAM latency fix then?

>>59250741

Whats staggering is how in some of those tests ryzen is fighting (and sometimes beating) dual xeons.

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>>59250848

>>59250849
the fix is on since march 2 the rest will take some time and knowning ms they will probably release windows 20 before they map ryzen correctly

it's sad, it's like I WANT amd to release great products and provide competition, but they just don't anymore

they just lie then get btfo

if amd actually provided competition and made good products the past 6 years we'd probably have 8-10c/16-20t 7nm consumer CPUs for 300$ by now as the standard

>>59250848
All this for....a low low price of $160 more than the superior competition. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

>>59250795
>>59250740

>>>/v/ is that way you piece of shit

>>59250879
you are so predictive its not even funny

posting an average score and then finding one of the worst to post

i have news for you

"Specifically, Hallock said that games will be patched to improve performance on the Ryzen architecture. Oxide Games, Bethesda, and Sega are already working with AMD on “near-term optimizations” that will improve Ryzen’s gaming performance, he wrote."

gonna love those intel tears

>>59250885
This.

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>>59250879
DELET

samsung will acquire amd by 2021

screencap this

>>59250713
>Using gaming as a benchmark for what a CPU is capable of when a 6900k is within margain of error of the 7700k
Go back to /v/

>>59250815
Calm down, Poojeet.

>>59250890
and 500 less from the actual cpu that is meant to compete with

and with that bombshell goodnight ladies and ladies

And here we go.

>>59249128
>>59249474
>>59249580


Well, Ryzen despite still significantly lower single threaded performance(especially frequency but also around 9% IPC) has comparable or even greater multi-threading performance in some benchmarks than 8 core Broadwell-E, which suggests that Ryzen has better SMT implementation, Windows needs an update but this architecture definitely has potential. It made an even bigger jump than netburst to core2duo.
However AMD needs better IMC and to implement TSX and AVX512 fast to compete, One or two generations and it should match or exceed Intel's single threaded performance with their anemic gains. So everyone should support AMD.

>>59249475
Well, Cinebench has always been the favorite benchmark of Intel shills as long as AMD was doing bad in it ,despite it using Intel's compiler, crippling results on AMD.

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>>59250898
R O F L

>>59250919
>within margain of error of the 7700k
amdtards actually beleive this

>>59250940
>significantly lower single threaded performance
>significantly

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>>59249128
>on par with a $1000+ Intel 8 core
What's the problem exactly? Besides, they're literally within the range that was promised. 5-15% of Intel.

Besides that, >>59250090 and overclocking.

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>>59250907

>>59250795
>LOOK MOM I POSTED IT
>AGAIN xDDDDDDDDDDD

>>59250959
You can't OC Ryzen that much. It's on low power process.

>>59250940

>Well, Cinebench has always been the favorite benchmark of Intel shills as long as AMD was doing bad in it ,despite it using Intel's compiler, crippling results on AMD.

To sumarise /g/:

>cinebench MT doesn't count, only ST matters
>cinebench ST doesn't count, its synthetic not real world
>power draw doesn't matter, what are you, poor?
>power effeciency doesn't matter, its all about IPC
>IPC doesn't matter, its all about clockspeed
>only vidya matters, other workloads are synthetic and/or the realm of gpus

>>59250940
>AVX512

That's only Xeon Phi's, not even regular xeons support 512

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This is pretty much all the matters to most people on /g/.

A majority of us are programmers and need CPUs like the Ryzen. It seems the only people complaining about AMD are graphics babbys.

>>59249821
>>59249778

PC market continues growing,

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>>59250907
LUL

>>59250953
See
>>59250795

Do you know what margain of error is? Literally less than a frame of a difference in averages between the 7700k and 6900k

GAYMEN
A
Y
M
E
N

>>59250760
Do you like Ryzen? Or think its trash?

>>59249128
And what about parallel workloads with heavy branching that can't be done on SIMD devices like GPUs, like compiling

>>59250981
>s-stop posting factual benchmarks! AMD was supposed to win this time!

#TeamRed

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>>59251000
It's a 1% loss YoY actually.
A stagnant market that will only get smaller as phones and laptops more powerful and cheaper.

>>59251017
All for a low low price of... $160 more! Thanks AMD!

>>59251034
Like it, it's a very efficient low power design.

>>59251014

You do realise Intel and MS spent years pushing patches to get hyperthreading to stop giving negative scaling.

>>59251036
>Factual
>gaymen

kek

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just wait until samsung buys this worthless husk of a once great company, maybe our korean overlords will crush intel

I give it around 2-3 years, when amd's stock (and market cap) slowly drops back in the toilet, until samsung buys them out

we know that samsung has eyed buying them

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>>59251064
Ryzen was never supposed to be for gaming you FUCKING IDIOT

>>59251035
see links in
>>59250278
>>59249660

But I think you already know that since your question seems sarcastic to the OP

>this /v/-tier shitposting
Mods?

>>59251063
There, there, Lisa. We'll see you in 8 years for your next train wreck.

>>59251052
but you get 8 more threads which might get utilized in the next 10 years for general desktop use
#finewine
#redteam

>>59251088
>MOOOOOOOODS stop these people from hurting AMD! They're posting benchmarks on a TECH board!

>>59251098
Agreed. My Bulldozer has lasted me 2 years and I get 5 more FPS in DotA 2 than I did when I bought it. I can't believe people would buy this overpriced Intel crap.

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>>59251088
>expecting mods to ever be vigilant
You'd have to fill /g/ with CP for an entire week before mods would start to do their damn jobs here

>>59251109
You mean gaymen benchmarks

fuck off. you must be autistic if you do gaymes.

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>>59251129
>s-stop! gaymen is for children!

>>59251052
I know, it's outrageous, I will lose a *single* frame if I buy the 1700X that costs $100 less than the 1800X!

>>59251126
I'd be happy with just simple moppers but chinkm00t doesn’t give a shit.

>>59249128
>Some software don't show the thread that 1800x is showing
>Blame the 1800x

only on /g/

>>59251156
That's not even that impressive considering clocks are involved, what's impressive are the NAMD, crypto and FP benches where people thought Intel's FPU is unbeatable.

>>59251171
Japmoot is paid by Intel. It's obvious. Why else would he not remove these slanderous gaymen benchmarks?

>>59251109
fuck off. No one on /g/ gives as much of a shit as you /v/ manchildren.

Literally the only reason /v/ cucks post on /g/ is because you're looking for validation from people who actually understand technology.

/v/ feels so inadequate they have to come to /g/ and then spam the board until it looks like /g/ actually agrees with their inane opinion.

REALITY: Intel is a niche CPU that's only good for graphics intensive applications.

Ryzen is for general computing.

Btw, I never gave a shit about the AMD vs Intel wars until you spammed /g/.

>>59250795
>noSMT faster than SMT enabled
Seems like Microsoft's scheduler needs an update again.

Just what happened to Bulldozer.

>>59250973
>5% off the 6900K for less than half the price
How is that supposed to be a bad thing exactly?

>>59251191
Nah, gaymer benchmarks are valid but they're obviously not paying to the strengths of the architecture.

>>59251184
Don't worry, they'll patch it. Don't return that Ryzen just yet...

>>59251203
you try to reason on a shit thread on /g/ ?

you should rma your self

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>>59251196
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>59251109
Video games aren't relevant at all when discussing the technological merits of a CPU when you get shit like >>59250795 where a 6900k is within margin of error of the 7700k. Look at some real technology benchmarks, like >>59250741

>>59251209
>oh no my adobe CC is not working correct
>better return my PC

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>>59251203
>bulldozer

>>59251232
Y-yes, goyim, don't forget to buy an Intel Core CPU instead.

>>59251224
>Context
On Ryzen you can stream and play games without having performance issues
>What /g/ wants you to believe
PLAY GAMES YO! BETTER THAN 7700k ON IPC!

>>59251224
You realize their DOTA 2 presentation was focused on streaming right? The idea was to compare the benefit of more cores vs. Intel's iGPU acceleration for gaming while streaming on Twitch.

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>>59251230
>GAMING BENCHMARKS ARE NOT. FUCKING. RELEVANT. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59251255
Of course >>59250740

Another thing AMD failed miserably at.

>>59251088
this isn't /r/amd fag
back to plebbit and your sefa space

>intel
Can play games at high frame rate, as long as you are doing literally nothing else

>Ryzen
Can play games at almost as high of frame rate as intel, but can also multi-task.

So intel is for retards?

>>59251259
Again, the focus was on streaming while gaming without dropping frames. How is that hard to understand? X99 appeals to the same group.

>>59251274
>>59251283

MODS

>>59251285
Pretty much desu

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>>59250995
Yea, but Skylake-E will have it along with perhaps 12 cores. I'm disappointed that AMD didn't make 10 core Ryzen since Broadwell-E has 10 cores at ridiculous price,


>>59250956
Well, it does have significantly lower Dolphin scores, which suggests it's lacking something critical for emulation, Although its Dolphin scores are still good enough to play pretty much everything at full speed.

>>59251287
You're replying to a shill

>>59251274
All this char is showing that there is not much FPS but it does show that streaming doesn't affect it.

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>>59251287
AMD needs to figure out how to not drop frames WITHOUT streaming before they can focus on multitasking.

>>59251259
Yes, because that test was made to jerk off over framerates like the /v/ kids are doing and not to demonstrate how streaming benefits from more cores, right?

Can gaymers fuck off. Really you autistic fucks

>>59249128
>-ESTIMATED PERFORMANCE-
>overclocked i7
>stock ryzen

>>59251322
They failed at both.

>>59251309
The thing is, Ryzen is already good at multi-tasking.

Intel is the one that sucks at multi-tasking.

Intel is a niche CPU, specifically for graphics, AMD makes general purpose CPUs.

At least this is what I'm gathering from statistics.

>>59251309
if you want to talk about DROPPING frames, you should show low 0.1% instead of averages.

>>59251294
you are joking right? naples series will have up to 32 cores and up to 128 pcie gen 3 lanes

why you think they released first the 8 cores? for shit and jiggles?

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>>59251340
Ok. I'll even throw you an AMD tech demo.

>intel
niche computing involving graphically intensive applications

>amd
general computing

Who would put a gaming CPU in a desktop PC? Just get a console. Your PC will be useless for anything besides gaming if you go with intel.

>>59251309
But AMD matches Intel with multitasking while being half the price. Intel's only strength remaining is single-thread performance. So basically unless you only play games there's no real reason to buy Intel.

>>59251346
>up to 128 pcie gen 3 lanes
Overkill, I think it was 64.
With 64 lanes you can literally fill a board with literally nothing but SAS drives and you'd still have leftovers.

>>59251368
you are not showing dropping frames, you are showing that Ryzen is getting lower frames but dropping % on Ryzen is lover than on any Intel one.

You pretty much failed at your own argument.

>>59251378
But Ryzen is $160 more for worse performance.

>be intel shill
>make a thread on /g/ about how much better intel graphics bench marks are than AMD
>end up convincing people that intel is a niche CPU manufacture that's only good for game consoles and not general computing

I hope you get fired for this pajeet.

>>59251411
You mean $700 less for better performance

>>59251368
a tech demo for gpus gets on a cpu discussion as evidence of how much it needs to get patched up
see >>59250907

cant make this shit up

>>59251411
It stomps the 7700K in everything except highly single-threaded applications. You're basically revealing that all you use your computer for is games. In that case go back to /v/.

>>59251386
its not at all an overkill thats why i brought this up
see >>59250334

>>59251453
not everyone encodes cuck porn 24/7

>Intelkikes trying to lump all this arch and low-level design talk ITT under shitposting and gaming

Brainlets are really a interesting bunch.
It's almost like this is /v/

>>59251400
>It may be $160 more, but even 25% worse minimums are justified because the frame drop is one frame lower @ 30 fps.

fucking lmao, you can't make this shit up

"We don't care about framerates, we use our computers for actual work!! take this shit back to /v/!"

*continues to post framerate bench marks*

>>59251411
but ryzen costs 500 les than a 6900k..

gee i wonder why intel paid shills dont bring this up
like NEVER

>>59251453
You mean everything that isn't cinebench, ie 99% of the market.

>>59251474
are missing the point, even if Ryzen didn't have any gaming problems, 7700k would still beat it, 7700k is better at gaming that any 8c/16t on the market even Intel once.

>>59251484
What do you do for work? Press the encode button for a company? You should tell them to buy a $500 Ryzen CPU so they can replace you.

>>59251482
Your argument was
>Ryzen needs to stop dropping frames
I told you that your chart didn't show any frame drops, then you shower other chart that also didn't show any frame drops in a drastic manner.

Your argument was destroyed by you, yourself.

>>59251518
But it does. You must be paid by AMD because you sure do try to hide the facts like they have done since Ryzen's release.

>>59251517
Says the unemployed gaymer

>>59251492
Because that's a jew garbage MOAR CORNZ processor. 7700k is supreme

>>59251492
Intel shills are blatantly ignoring the fact that Intel's HEDT lineup is pointless now unless you need 40 PCI-e lanes. For some reason nobody needs more than a 7700K apparently.

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>>59251045
Meanwhile

>>59251499
doesnt seem to be the case
since shills love to bring this pic up >>59250795

and remember we are talking about a cpu that still has
1) improper windows mapping
2)lots of bios problems
3)lots of faulty vcore reading problems

and its still only 3% behind of the top muh 7700k

id say that this is a win no matter how you spin it

>>59251541
Your argument is not what you think it is, you need to learn to fucking argue.

>>59249184
Assuming its the i7-7700K against the 1800X, about 587.77 shekels

>>59251476
Why can't sane people have an actual discussion for once. Fuck, I'd better off to anandtech forums.

>>59251570
>AMD drones are literally trying to use jedi mind tricks to win arguments now

On which page of the #TeamRed+ handbook can I find this course?

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>>59251561
I mean lol

>>59249194
>>59249229
Some of us actually are Jewish, stupid goy

>>59249441
Good thing I watch Cinebench 24-7 at work

>>59251556
yeah its the same story

remember when nvidia brought up "percentile"?
few weeks later amd released a fix and suddenly it was in front and then percentile stop being relevant..

same goes here the top of the line of intel suddenly isnt relevant anymore because amd beat them hard

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>>59251597
Every gamer is smarter than AMD.

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>>59249699
>bin them well to overclock

>>59251586
I have 2600k and GTX780 and I see 0 reason to upgrade at this very moment, on CPU nor GPU front.

You are a moron that is as simple as that.

>>59251581
i dont know being here is like responding to shintai fucking troll baits on anandtech...

>>59250795
>Ivy Bridge-E in single-threaded performance
>Broadwell-E in multithreaded performance
>all for much cheaper than Intel's X99 processors
Can someone explain how this is supposed to be a bad thing?

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>>59251610
Speaking of that the large scale cooling market seems really lucrative.

>>59250880
apparently disabling usb power saving(which is not affected by high performance preset) removes one thread bottleneck

>>59249872
>perf/watt is the defacto metric for everything but the gamer market
few people in the desktop market care either, and Ryzen is not a server or a workstation chip, it's a desktop chip

>>59251597
starts a discussion about workstastion and datacenters

gets stomped so hard that changes its subject to pc market

>>59251632
>Lie and tell them you have Intel and nVidia hardware so they're more likely to believe what you're saying is right

Nice, I'm on that chapter right now.

>>59250973
gotta love that giant gap of 7700K between 0.1% and 1% vs avg

>>59251662
PC market is dying, I'll personally have a desktop at least until 2030 and probably longer, but the market is steadily dropping in number while every other market is booming.

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>>59250383
16c/32t 2GHz 65W Opterons when?

>>59249128
This kills the intel shit:

#!/bin/bash
function multiShit() {
    doStuff $1
}

export -f multiShit
find . -type f -name "*.whatever" | parallel -j 16 multiShit {}

>>59249709
Nah, it dont have gpu.
You need Nvidia for that shit, polaris cant do it

>>59251684
Q2-Q3 2017 probably.

>>59251674
>from one cherry-picked bench
>ignore the other examples wherein Ryzen does something similar
not to mention that it's simply negligible and the 0.1% low is still higher with the 7700k OC'd than the 1800X OC'd by a healthy margin

>>59251684
No matter how Zen is efficient I think those figures are gonna be slightly hard to do, I can picture it at 90W though

>>59251597
Funny how hardware is projected to sell only more and more.

>>59251722
Hardware doesn't only sell to the PC market.
Hardware will always increase in sales YoY, but some markets will shrink while others will grow.

>>59251718
naples will probably be an mcm chip i really doubt we gonna see something lower than 100

>>59251718
at what clocks? 2GHz?

>>59251744
Talking specifically about PC hardware here.

>>59251718
>No matter how Zen is efficient I think those figures are gonna be slightly hard to do, I can picture it at 90W though
it scales really well all the way down to 2 GHz and the comparable Intel chips are only 95W IIRC. There's a huge idle energy requirement disparity between Ryzen and Intel;s offerings.

>>59249847
Source?

>>59249699
>AMD are stupid for not releasing 1st thing their 4c/8c chips
not really, it give time to iron out platform for 4-6 cores and specially servers, what is happening now is one big beta test

>>59251753
>>59251752
>>59251718
At 3.3GHz a Zen core uses 6.25W running something like firestarter, so under non-AVX probably lower.

You can neatly fit 16 cores at 3.3 base under 100W TDP

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>>59251346
>>59251294
I'm talking about unlocked enthusiast processors.

https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-unofficial-new-dolphin-5-0-cpu-benchmark-results-automatically-updated--45007


https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-ryzen-1700x-stock-vs-dolphin-benchmark

I just realized - Dolphin's performance relative to other software is kind of the opposite between Haswell and Ryzen.


Haswell had 5-10% faster IPC than Ivy Bridge overall, but was ~30% faster per-GHz in Dolphin.

I heard that 1700X has ~5% worse IPC than Skylake/Kaby, and clocks lower @3.8GHz vs i7-7700K's 4.5GHz.

Edit: I'm also baffled that i7-4770K is still better than 1700X. So I decided, let's do a calculation and find IPC % when taking this Dolphin benchmark into account. It looks like Skylake/Kaby is 15.75% better clock for clock than Ryzen and 7.42% for Haswell, assuming my calculation is correct. GG

500s = 8m 20s
Pentium Haswell G3258 @ 3.2GHz (stock speed) scores 8m 4s in Dolphin Benchmark. So it's still slower than a 3.2GHz Haswell despite having the higher turbo clock
This is not good enough for demanding games . However , you can always overclock it for better performance . The problem is... it can only be OCed up to 4.0GHz - 200MHz higher than turbo clock (according to that article)
Give AMD a year or two , they probably make a better CPU than this
Edit : It's 507s , not 500s . There is sth wrong with my eyes


Ryzen has 0-1% faster IPC than Broadwell-E overall, but is ~30% slower per-GHz in Dolphin.

>>59249128
Intel pls

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>>59251806

>>59251799
What in the fuck

>>59250043
Oh no doubt, undoubtedly. Everything else is the problem.

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>>59251827

>>59251806
the cpu is fine the problem isnt hardware at all we have been discussing it for DAYS already

>>59251806
If course it's slower in Dolphin, it runs AVX2 at half speed.

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I didn't realize someone actually counted 'interconnect market'

>>59251853
Makes no sense, the 6950X has the same AVX2 hardware as Kabylake but runs Dolphin the same under same single thread clocks.

>>59251713
>not to mention that it's simply negligible and the 0.1% low is still higher with the 7700k OC'd than the 1800X OC'd by a healthy margin
I don't think you understand how it works

bigger gap worse precieved performance, if you want to play the game, not stare at numbers, you want gap as small as possible

ofc course if it passes min required avg fps threshold, which ryzen does

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>>59251847

>>59251827
>>59251847
I suspect that all of these CPUs will run Dolphin with every setting on max... even the G4560

>>59251875
>I don't think you understand how it works
>bigger gap worse precieved performance, if you want to play the game, not stare at numbers, you want gap as small as possible
This is total nonsense.

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I wanna see what FPGA's AMD can make.

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>>59251877

>>59250090
Yeah it's pretty sad desu. The medium sizes company I work for is very excited, the CEO is basically jumping for joy at the perf to dollar ratio cuz in our line of work we end up using Cinebench 8 hours a day, every day. The better the Cinebench numbers the more I get paid. Just don't expect these kids on g to understand that the real world runs on Cinebench and WinRAR and not gaymenz.

>>59249128
Does real nice against a 6900k in productivity even as a 65W TDP part.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-linux-benchmarks-zen-buy/

Mighty nice arch AMD has on its hands, I can already see the 32 Naples chips running 2.8-3.0GHz under 200W

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>>59251909

>>59251806
Where did the 8350 place on that bench?

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>>59251925

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>>59251931
Probably slow as fuck,
>>59251940

>>59250448
what man child gets so upset that he has to make this image?

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>>59251960

>>59251979
he gets payed by the minute from intel

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>>59251992

>>59251875
You're retarded. You won't even feel the 0.1%, the average frame rate already represents the feel, which is why nobody benchmarks the top frame rate reached.

anything that uses avx2 you'll be better with intel

>>59252078
no the average its just that the average you can dip to 1 fps and have 40000000 max fps and you still can get a pretty decent average

what matters is the Frame Experience

>>59251894
do you know what stable fps is? its when every frame takes same time to render
what happens when every now and then render time jumps from 7ms to 60ms? stutter
but what if it jumps only from 7ms to 14ms? human doesn't notice
the bigger gap between these jumps the more effect it has on player

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>>59252035

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>>59252174

>>59252101
That's not how it works either, AVX2 AMD supports, but doesn't support 2x256bit instructions but only 2x128 ones since it needs twice the AVX registers for it.

Needles to say you're not gonna see these 2x 256bit instructions in consumer space.

>>59252202
>these 2x 256bit instructions in consumer space
You shall, wit hSkyalke-E.

>>59249194
>racist
go back to plebbit you fucking shitskin trash

>>59252133
This is just unsubstantiated doublespeak nonsense. You have no case here. I don't give a shit, just stop making things up in an effort to appear intelligent. You clearly don't know what you're on about.

>>59252223
nobody uses them except very niche data centers

>>59252223
You'll see it but it's about as useful as TSX since no one uses them.
Even regular AVX has applications counted on one hand, much less AVX2

>>59252237
>instead of explaining why go full passive aggressive

>>59252118
The percentage relates to time. If you drop to 1 fps frequently, it's going to *heavily* hit your average. All these Ryzen benchmarks show is that their dips happen way more often, making gameplay feel worse, which is why they have significantly less average.

>>59252268
>just stop making things up
>You clearly don't know what you're on about.
>passive aggressive
just gonna stop replying to you, enjoy talking to yourself

>>59249128
>1% of workstation time is idle rendering
>99% is interactive usage
Yeah ok, you are awake 23 hours and 46 minutes a day and using your computer. I always said Intel Shills have no life and live in a basement. And even if that was true, a better reason to use an octa core : PS uses 4 cores? Waaah doing stuff will slow my rendering on an i7 7700k. It won't with the extra cores. Since you need to use your pc 99% of the time, why getting a 4 core?

Also, Ryzen is good for everything because it is not a gimped CPU. You have many cores for parallelized operations and you can disable as many as you want to OC more in gaymez and Photoshop.

Just consider suicide 12 yr old basement dweller.

>>59252295
all those frametime graphs show that ryzen is rock solid stable in it's fps consistency

show me bad graph(bf1 dx12 doesn't count)

>>59252257
Blender uses AVX2 in the render engine cycles.
OpenSSL uses AVX and AVX2 optimized cryptographic functions since version 1.0.2. [25]
Prime95/MPrime, the software used for GIMPS, started using the AVX instructions since version 27.x.
dnetc, the software used by distributed.net, has an AVX2 core available for its RC5 project and will soon release one for its OGR-28 project.
Einstein@Home uses AVX in some of their distributed applications that search for Gravitational Waves. [26]


There's got to be more

>>59252350
Consumer market, one hand.
Prime95 is benchmark software.

Even at that AVX and AVX2 are supported by AMD, the only thing that's supported but slower in AMD is 2x256bit AVX2, and that particular instruction is rarer niche than a unicorn wearing a hitler mask.

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>>59252319

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>>59252411
I'm getting pretty mixed signals here on gaming results.

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>>59252257
>>59252244
>>59252191
They'll use them after some time.

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>>59252445

>>59252445
>after some time
Try 15 years, SSE2 is only starting to get widespread now, in 2017.

>>59252411
anon, do you know what frametime graph is?

>>59252445
They'll not be used 'after some time' because that stops people without those SIMD from using that software, for fucks sakes people are still on SSE hardware.

>still posting win 10 gaming benchmarks

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-8#post-38775732
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-5#post-38773988

>Same driver version, same everything else.
>17.8% faster than Win 10

>>59252518
DX12 doesn't run on Win7, anon.

>>59252470
I think you mean AVX2, as SSE2 has been widely used for ages.

>>59252503
No, it doesn't stop anything.

>>59252559
yes it does. it's called vulkan

Let alone if you knew anything about computers you'd know most of the parallelism nowadays is done by the GPU, NOT, the CPU, and that might become even MORE prevalent, NOT less with the newest GPU APIs that offload even more and more stuff from the CPU space to the GPU space even if they claim to help more at multithreading *but that is not their main advantage.

Well, Xeon Pi can do everything GPUs can do and more.

>>59252465
>>59252445
I appreciate the effort on this but you could have googled the issue.

Dolphin runs on 2 threads, not 1, hence the reason why the 6950X and 1800X that can turbo one core to 4.0 gets raped by the 7700k, one core at 4.0 and the other one running at 3.3 nuked performance compared to a 7700k with slightly higher IPC and 5.0 base.

Dolphin as a benchmark is entirely reliant on clockspeed and IPC

>>59251309
>talks about dropping frames
>shows averages instead of .1% or 1% lows

>>59252617
Call Amazon or Google and tell them to run their files searches on a GPU.

>>59252644
>minimum framerate has no affect on average frame rate

Educate yourself.

>>59252625
Ryzen does have significantly lower ipc than Haswell even when frequency is locked.
It must have some kind of bottleneck.
>>59251806