/tpg/ - Thinkpad General

>>59151542
explain this OP pic to me right now

thinkpad 13 sold out now sigh i was going to pick up a fully spec'd out one.

when is lenovo bringing back the good keyboard?

It'd be cool if they sold an easy to install (although I can't see how that'd be possible) FHD mod for the x220.

>>59151632
Chinks selling a 2k IPS screen mod for T420/T420s/T430/T430s

Got my x201. Is the keyboard supposed to be flex with any significant force?

I got a T400, 1440x900,P8600 version for $80.
Battery lasts 1 hour(worn original 9 cell).

I turned it on with windows and screen started to flicker, but in linux its working perfectly so i guess it was from the travel.
Its oily as fuck.
Also trackpoint is worn.
All USB ports working.

Other than that HDD is perfect, only 9k hours.
Did i do good?

>>59152681
2GB DDR3 RAM though.

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>ThinkPad X1 Carbon 5th Generation (Black) Product ID : 20HR000DUS
>Quantity : 1
>Unshipped Quantity : 1

>Ordered: February 21, 2017
>Expected to Ship: February 27, 2017
>Expected to Arrive: March 3, 2017

>>59152763
shit keyboard tho

>>59151854
Never, the newer ones are just as good, as lomg as you get the non-backlit ones.
>>59152076
LVDS can't do FHD so you always need some sort of adaptator taking signal from dock DP. It's always a nightmare and everyone taht sold an adaptator was a bitch and would not share plans. Chinese are the worst, the want to install it for you.
>>59152520 Yep, dealing with those guys suck so a Russian dude made his own in small barch but it's sold out and he does not want to continue.

>>59152681
You did great, you can buy P9600 for 10$ off aliexpress. The modded Bios is easy to install so you can remove wifi whitelist.
http://mcdojf.wixsite.com/t400
Trackpoint nub can be replaced easilly. 3 styles available.

>>59152790
>anything but the literal best of all time is shit

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>>59152763

Good on ya, anon.

>>59152681
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Shipping-free-For-intel-cpu-laptop-Core-2-Duo-t9600-CPU-6M-Cache-2-8GHz-1066/2054080671.html

Do it, max it out ! get some dual-rank 2x4gb ram off graiglist and you'll be in buisness.

>>59152807

Does the backlighting make that much of a difference? Do the new pads still come with the thinklight?

>>59152890
>Do the new pads still come with the thinklight?
No

>>59152890
No thinklight for newer pads, replaced by BL keyboards. The difference is in key travel and surface feel.

>>59152888
It only will take 2 months but will do.

>>59152918
>key travel and surface feel

Well, shit. I hate using non-backlit keys during plane flights and whatnot.

>>59152935
You need to disasemble the heat-sink anyway for cleaning. get some decent heat compound.

>>59152988
I already have NT-H1 around i use to clean computers.

T70 when? T70 where? How much for T70?

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>tfw the 2017 Carbon costs equivalent of 350 dollaridoos more than the 2016 Carbon, in my idiot country

>>59152681
Is it normal for it to do a high pitch noise?

>>59153145
Sounds like coil whine? Safe, but pretty annoying.

>>59153193
Yeah, never noticed it till i started to install windows on it.

Is it worth upgrading an i5 2450m to an i7 2640m?

>>59153200
the noise tells that it doesnt want to run proprietary botnet operating systems, dont abuse your thinkpad with winshit

>>59153245

What machine ?

>>59153245
i upgraded to a 2720qm and was worth it

>>59153277
x220

>>59153193
>>59153269
Is it normal to keep going even after the laptop is off?

>>59153296
nvm, I thought the processor wasn't soldered.

>>59153296
X-series cpu is soldered to the socket.

>>59153315

high pitch while, similar to a wall-wart ?

>>59153315
yes if it has windows

remove it as soon as possible and install gentoo so your thinkpad can be at peace, its suffering

>>59153315
If the laptop is charging on battery, on still running the fans because it's too hot then it could still have whine.

>>59153372
Its not running hot, its running at 45°C.
But yeah, its only making noise when the charger is plugged in, meanwhile is working with a battery it makes no noise at all.
>>59153362
Honestly i cant describe it, will try to record it.

hey dudes what is a good distro for a handsome T61 with 4GB ram and 60GB ssd i just bought from some med school slut?

i want something that just werks without extra shitty tinkering, a couple of years ago i ran Lubuntu on an old Latitude and everything worked™.

what about this T61, never had a thinkpad before, what extra shit should i configure/install especially for this ssd?

is powertop/laptoptools a meme? any special drivers i should be aware of?

thanks and god bless.

>>59153432
a.pomf.cat/imxtns.3gp

Found a T540P listing in craigslist for $350. I haven't checked it out in person, but does it look like a good deal?

15.5"
Processor: Intel Core i7-4600M - 2.9GHz
Memory: 8GB DDR3L SDRAM
Hard Drive: 256 GB HD

>>59152888
Am I corect?
> 1. T9600 is the beastiest CPU supported by T400 / T500 / W500 / X200
> 2. it doesn't require a bios mod or anything
> 3. it's a simple swap on T/W but requires resoldering on X200

>>59153432
>>59153555
Yeah that's classic coil whine. Are you sure it's coming from the laptop and not the charger though?

>>59153641
Yeah its from the laptop.

Charger looks shady though.

Modded motherboard for t420 fucking when

>>59153574
256 implies SSD.
It's not bad, but remember to factor in like 20 dollars for a touchpad replacement.

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>>59153692

>>59153621
>T9900 actually, but i'd pick a P9700 because of the lower TDP.
>correct
>correct

>>59153758
What's shady about its looks? It's a genuine one, not chink

>>59153758
Looks fine to me?

It's probably just a problem within the laptop, unless you want to desolder and replace a bunch of shit in an effort to stop it.

what is a good price for a t43 in a good condition?

>>59153793
>It's a genuine one
Is it? i doubted it because looks way to new.

So I found out about locked BIOS and this computrace thing days after ordering a refurbished thinkpad.

What are the chances that shit is going to be enabled if I buy it from a really legit refurbished laptop store that sells dozens of these with very good reputation?

>>59153931
really low to 0.

>>59153775
>>59153621
1. If you really want to invest money, T9900 is the ultimate best ... but you might want to go down a notch or 2 and invest elsewhere. "T" series are 35w, "P" series are 25w. both will do, you won't overheat or anything but battery life will suffer if that's important to you.

2.yep
3.yep, it's socketed.

Which is latest ThinkPad model manufactured by IBM?

>>59154111
X41, according to this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_History

>>59154136
Thank ya' Anon and sorry for stupid question, yeah.

>>59154155
Not to worry, I too have a fetish for IBM branded Thinkpads.

Quick question. Mini dock 3 or the Ultrabase Series 3?

I do need DVI, but I figured I could always buy one of those DP to DVI cables. Can the cd drive be replaced with a hard drive or some shit?

Does anyone know how the old dell xps 13 is?

>>59153775
>>59154105

Thanks!
I guess all said about T/W equally applies to R400/R500 too.
But isn't there some catch about the T9900 and T9700? I'm dubious just because Lenovo spec sheets of T/W/R400/500 don't mention them

>https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd002380
>https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd005154
>https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd003189

> Intel Core 2 Duo processor P7370 (2.0 GHz), 3-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor P8400 (2.26 GHz), 3-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor P8600 (2.40 GHz), 3-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor P8700 (2.53 GHz), 3-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor P9500 (2.53 GHz), 3-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor P9600 (2.66 GHz), 6-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T5670 (1.8 GHz), 2-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T5870 (2.0 GHz), 2-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T6570 (2.1 GHz), 2-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9400 (2.53 GHz), 6-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9550 (2.66 GHz), 6-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9600 (2.80 GHz), 6-MB L2 cache
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9800 (2.93 GHz), 6-MB L2 cache


And for the X201/X201s/X201i/T410/T410/T410i/T510/T510i/W510 there's a similar story, right?
11. X have soldered CPUs
12. T/W with dGPU can take absolutely anything that's PGA988, all quadcore clarksfields included (i7-720QM, i7-740QM, i7-820QM, i7-840QM, i7-920XM, i7-940XM)
13. T/W without dGPU can take anything that's PGA988 as long as it has iGPU, so, well, all PGA988 arrandales
Correct? Or is there something more to it?

>>59154136

I would say that the X60 series would have been designed, planned and built by IMB, as the product roadmap is longer than one year... so yes, the branding changed but IBM still desinged it and the assembly plant was likelly the same.

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>>59152763
>shipping from China
>time in China: 7:45 AM February 28th
>no shipping update

>>59154631
don't listen to lenovo, they also mentioned somewhere that the t420 only uses up to 8gb ram when everyone knows it handles 16gb fine.

>>59154296
yes

Ordered a "perfect" condition T420 with 1600x900 Resolution and a 9 Cell

Receive a T420 with 1366x768 and 6 cell. FUCKING EBAY.

To be fair, it was spotless, not a single scuff or anything, but come the fuck on?? ?

>>59154296
complete shit>>59154631

Thinkpad forums, and Lenovo's own support forum have reports of T9900 working on T400. That list is just what was for sale for T400, the official parts from Lenovo.

That document also list 4GB max RAM (for T400) when you can actually run 8GB (as long as it is dual-rank dimms).

I don't know for T410 series but I would be surprised if there was a hardware limitation for CPU like the pci-e whitelist.

Starting the XX30 series, the bios is heavilly locked down and you can't really do cool mods.

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Could anyone give me some assistance in getting my stylus to rotate with my screen? I have tried making this script, but it isn't getting me far.

#!/bin/bash

case "$rotation" in
        normal)
        #rotate to left
        xrandr -o left
        xsetwacom set "12" rotate ccw
        ;;
        left) 
        #rotate inverted
        xrandr -o inverted
        xsetwacom set "12" rotate half
        ;;
        inverted)
        #rotate right
        xrandr -o right
        xsetwacom set "12" rotate cw
        ;;
        right)
        #rotate to normal
        xrandr -o normal
        xsetwacom set "12" rotate none
        ;;
esac

>>59154884
both screens are shit anyway

>>59155028
Trust me, I know. But I'd take my 1600x900 I was told was there over the latter any day.. but you can't advertise X and give Y. Site is fucking garbage and most of the shop owners are lying pricks.

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My T400 isn't booting from a live usb. I think this is where it ends for me.

>>59154884

complain, you might get some money back. Or the actual laptop you ordered...

>>59155075
Did, a lot. He refuses to give me money back, so I'm issuing a full refund and having to ship it back, but god damn, this sucks

>>59155101
Hope shipping is free

>>59154859
Is it total shit?

>>59155173

yes it is, flimsy POS. screen isn't bad, but construction is awefull.

>>59155232
What else is there? That isn't dogshit, most are.

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>>59155254
X1 Carbon. Unless you want the XPS 13's bezels, then there's nothing except for that and 51nb's X320/X330.

>>59155362
51nb's people are egocentric and unwilling to provide informations about the (rather inefficient) mod. The german thinkpad forum have poor reviews of the mod.

>>59155427
Still pretty much the only thing out there with modern internals and comparable bezels to XPS 13/15, though. Sadly.

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>>59155548
>what is the new x1 carbon

>>59155878
Fuck off chang

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>>59152763
New update
>expected to ship March 9th

Anyone ever heard of installing an e-ink screen in a ThinkPad? If it would work, I'd love to put one in my X60 Tablet. I take it everywhere and use it for reading but it's basically impossible to see anything when outdoors. I guess I could upgrade to an IPS screen but e-ink would be awesome. Plus I figure you'd probably get better battery life too.

>>59156060
I found this, only eink screen designed to work with a pc I could find. Would be some significant modding to get it to work, probably not worth it.

>>59156109
missed link: http://dasung.com/

>>59156109
>>59156125
Ya. Last I heard it was sold out. Also, like you said, modding the connection so that it would be compatible with the X60t mobo would be quite a pain.

Do you guys have anything against number pads on laptops? Why? Just curious.

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>>59156272
Its OK so long as it doesn't make the keyboard and trackpad shift to the left.

>>59156060
E-ink doesn't work overly well for computer use, you'll only get a refresh rate of about 15hz and at that point there'll be severe ghosting, and refreshing e-ink uses a lot of power - displaying video is no better on battery than an ordinary screen with reasonable brightness. You could always look at something like the Yotaphone 2 if you want a convenient E-ink screen, there are apps to use android phones as secondary screen according to google, but I haven't tried any myself.

What kind of backlight does the X60 use? There's LED backlight conversion kits around and that can really improve brightness which is what you want.

>>59156272
Most people won't get enough use of a numpad to justify fucking the placement of the rest of the input devices. I kind of wish there was the option on 15" models to choose the kind of screen you want, but I suppose a lot of the ones without use the space for speakers instead. The ultrabay numpads aren't exactly in plentiful supply either.

This is my first time owning a thinkpad (currently running a t430 with i5 3230m) and I notice that it tends to get kind of hot underneath, though it never goes beyond 52 degrees.

Is it normal for these laptops to get hot? The fan is a little loud but it seems normal for such a good cpu and it keeps it stable. Already cleaned it with compressed air.

>>59154884
Ask for a refund for the difference. A perfect thinkpad is hard to come by.

>>59156414
Not sure about the backlight but I'll look into it. As for the battery issue, for me at least, the only thing I use my X60t for is documents; pdfs and ebooks; so refresh rate isn't necessarily a problem. I've actually got the original larger battery (10 years old) and get around 4.5 hours since I don't use a DE and and run only the absolute minimums. Even on full brightness the battery would probably be fine if I got a new one but honestly even the brightest setting isn't enough to read things clearly.

>>59156454

Real cleaning is done by removing the heatsink and cleaning the finns and fan. Yes, you will need to clean old thermal paste and reapply.

Your laptop is over 4 years old, it's normal to have to take it appart for cleaning.

>>59156565
I guess that even after that it's normal to see those temperatures and a little heat underneath, right?

>>59156732

over 45C in normal use ? Not really. heavy use, maybe.

>>59156782
I hate to break it to you but idle temps for my brand new T430 were around 40C - 50C back in the day. Heavy use brought it to around 70C - 80C. All depending on the room temperature of course.

>>59156183
Nah that's the easy part, it just connects to usb, just stick it on one of the usb ports, or use one of the ports from the dock connector.

The hard part would be fitting it into the screen neatly.

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x250 with an i3 5010U or an x230 with an i5 3320M?
Both with 8Gb of RAM, 128Gb SSW and non IPS screens. 300€ vs 400€

>>59156836
The X250 is arguably the better value. The i5 X230 might be a little bit better in terms of performance but on the X250 you can get decent resolution screens. The X230 will forever be limited to 1366x768 without any major surgery to the laptop.

>>59156859
I'm mostly afraid with performance, as you said. I'm looking to hold on to it for at least the duration of my masters (starting it in september), and the first couple years working

>>59156836

X250 CPU power is kinda meaningless nowaday. You can always upgrade the screen.

Battery live will also be on your side.

>>59156921
thanks anon

>>59156824
Did you notice throttling in any case? Mine doesn't, but I just want to figure out the normal temps and if there is any sign of damage regarding the fan or something like that.

>>59154938
install thinkpad-scripts from aur

>>59156454
>though it never goes beyond 52 degrees.


recorded temps dont matter m8, the thermal compound should be changed every ~two years, especially if the fan is loud.

and if you notice the fan is too loud then change the fan too. it's like $12 or something.

the fan and the thermale paste are shit, they're not desktop quality so you can install&forget them for the next five years.

>>59157036
>Did you notice throttling in any case?

not him but these (t420/430) usually throttle at around 90C or so.

the whole cooling system is fucked if you get there tho, it's either a shitload of dust in the ribs or the thermal pads are nonexistent.

>>59157286
The fan is not so loud but it's still worth cleaning or replacing. Will do that, thanks.

Got a T540P with the following
>1080p display
>i5-4330M
>nvidia 730m
>9 cell battery
>500gb hdd
>16gb ram

For 500 USD, how much did I overpay or was it a good deal?

yfw the thinkpad meme is reaching critical mass

>>59157401

Not bad at all. Need an SSD tho

>>59157125
That hasn't been working for me either. I found the Ubuntu PPA, and installed it thorough dpkg. Any advice?

>>59157947
Just to let you know, on every Debian install that I have had in which I installed any Ubuntu PPAs, autism always followed, even if only weeks after.

Just bought an x220, how did I do?
>i7 2.8Ghz
>128GiB ssd
>ips

$222

>>59158040
Oh and the dock. Was this a good price?

>>59158040

X220 have IPS, what ?

>>59158196
Yeah, you can buy them as a simple replacement on ebay too. Sadly still the same shit res thoug.h

Found a good deal: X230 with X220 keyboard, is this preferable to a stock X220? And does the X230 have IPS display?

>>59158255
It's definitely better than an X220. Whether it's better than the X220 depends on which keyboard you prefer, but it'll be convenient if you plan on converting anyway assuming you're not paying a premium for it.

The screen options are the same on the X220 and X230, unless it's specified as IPS it probably isn't.

>>59158255
I mean the keyboard is my only problem with the x230. If the old style keyboard is well integrated then go for it.

Yeah you can get x230 ips displays.

>>59158255
diy'ing the old style keyboard is easyish too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sncnKB54c4g

>>59158529
>>59158533
>>59158574

Just realised I had read the ad wrong, it's actually an X301 not an X320, I think it's quite a bit older

>>59158700
Yeah that is, too old for me personally.

>>59158700
An X301 might be worth picking up just for the form factor, as long as you're not paying too much. Performance-wise it would handle shitposting fine but anything more and you'd easily be better off with something even one generation more recent.

Best year model for x1 carbon?

If I got this I would or I wouldn't be able to register windows (with the coa)?

I forgot how it works.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Bottom-Case-Base-for-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Tablet-04W2239-Grade-A-W7-Pro-COA-/262867899818?nav=SEARCH

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>>59159061
Mfw I just now notice the seller is a common poster here

>>59159061
Only if you are running the same hardware that that code was initially used with. Which is really unlikely, given the number of different cpu's etc offered for each line of thinkpads.

If you only want to run 7, easier to find a legit download of daz's loader and use that. The legitimate one has this md5:

323c0fd51071400b51eedb1be90a8188

just google that it's easy to find. Only works on mbr partitions/legacy boot options though.

>>59153432
>>59153315
Update:
Coil whine was coming from the battery, once the battery stopped working the coil whine stopped.
It was only happening when the battery was charging.

>>59159061
>buying from xsauc

I'd rather not touch his wanktop.

I bought a used R500 for ridiculously cheap and it's a solid machine (typing this on it) but the chassis is cracked and scratched to all hell and cracked in important parts like the corner which allows it to open up to the expressport easily. Is there any way to buy a whole new chassis and replace it or am I just going to have to suck it up and deal with it?

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>>59158700
>>59158805

Anything older than ivy bridge series (x220, t420, etc) is too old for the money. The used price difference between X201/T400 and X220/T420 is too small to sacrifice performance and overall usability. actually, you might be able to score x230 for the price of your average x230 if you are patient enough.

Lots of nostalgia going on around here. Nostalgia have a diminishing rate of return past the **20 era.

Also, pic related illustrate the lack of CPU power progress post IvyBridge.

What is the white tab(?) you can pull behind the battery in T400?
What does it do?

>>59159130
They exist, on ebay etc.

>>59159121
You're right i'd probably just clean it with my tongue before actually using it.

Or ammonia I guess

>>59159130
I as well have a massive crack on the corner of my T420 that allows the frame to open up a bit. Can I use super glue to hold it down or is that a no no?

>>59159162
Test the glue before gluing, make sure it doesn't react with the plastic. Stick a spot on the plastic somewhere where it won't matter if it reacts.

>>59159061
Are you after win7 licence only ?
That's pretty easy to get for free.

>>59159169
I'm thinking about buying a new top layer chassis as well because I'm really concerned about the structural integrity in the future. Other than Youtube, is there a comprehensive guide on how to do this anywhere?

>>59159139
If anything that graph understates the difference before Sandy Bridge, my T410 is significantly slower just because of thermal throttling. The performance hit over Ivy definitely feels like more than ~10%, though some of that is just because it has a dGPU that can't be turned off.

>>59159141
Probably the SIM card slot.

>>59159187
The hardware maintenance manual.

>>59159171
No I'm looking at
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X220-Tablet-core-i5-2520m-2-5ghz-320gb-hdd-4gb-ram-pz4-/122374226134?nav=SEARCH

And the bottom looks shitty. I was just wondering.

Be nice if I could find a cheap genuine top cover grade a as well...

>>59159291
No one is ever going to see or care about the bottom side, and the top side look reasonable - a bit of wiping with sticker remover or something else to get dirt and shit off will get it looking good. Just be prepared to spend a little time cleaning it up and it'll work out.

I have found that Mr.Clean Magic Erasers do wonders on the tops and sides of scratched up and oiled up Thinkpads.

Be gentle and do a test spot.

You haven't learned to love Thinkpads until you've loved an IBM "R" series.

>>59159130
>ivy bridge series (x220, t420, etc)
Ivy Bridge was the xx30 series, m80

Thinkpad nomenclature, Soros posted it a while ago.

>>59159914

Yep, posted too fast.

Iḿ selling my W520. Nice laptop, but too heavy for my tastes. I prefer to have a desktop instead.
But I still want to have a computer in the mean time.
What's the smallest, oldes usable thinkpad in this time excluding the X220?

>>59152975

The backlit ones get really grimey compared to the non-backlit/old keyboard. Thankgod for the x230 can swap keyboards with the old and still has a thinklight.

>>59160400
Do they have solved the last fn combo issue that this mod has?
I'm reluctant to buy a X230 and doing the mod because of that.
>t. autism pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys96J2Jcp-A

Is this how newer thinkpads work?

>>59160440
>louis (((rossman)))
Discarded, hidden and saged.

>>59160468
Does /g/ hate him now that he had a few videos get popular outside of here? I remember people sucking his dick here a year or two ago.

>>59160530
They hate him because they can't be him.

>>59160530
/g/ loves him, but a few ones like me don't like him.
>>59160538
Why I want to be like him in first place?

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ok well can anybody talk me out of >>59159291

I've got a t420 which will basically become my desktop. I dont work in IT or really need a portible station but figure it would be like having a second monitor while at my desktop and a tablet when i'm not (watching tv/traveling/for leisure)

I'm 99% sure that model is the multi-touch one.

I'm tired of wishing i had one then spending lots of time researching best deals only to put it off for some reason, but i really dont like regretting purchases so if someone could help i would really appreciate it.

Oldest useable thinkpad besides *20 series?

>>59160422

Only 3 buttons don't work, and that's fn+f3/f12/space. All of which are pretty worthless to me. It's worth the trade off imo, but up to you I guess.

>>59160599
Using two different laptops will be far more awkward than a true multi-monitor set-up. The X220 probably isn't going to be bringing in much more utility unless you have actually want it for drawing - a touchscreen in an ordinary desktop environment won't be as useful as you'd probably expect.

If you want a convenient tablet solution then it would probably work out better to just replace the T420 outright, performance on across X and T series with the same specs will be the same save maybe heatsink performance.

>>59160628
In my experience anything before **20 is lacking enough in performance to make it less comfy to use. If you're willing to be patient with it then maybe *20 is around the still useful mark, though I'd still go a bit more recent like the *40 models just for fairly palatable web browsing and other light use.

>>59160628

Fuck does this even mean? People are still using Thinkpads with Core 2 Duos.

when will the t470 come out for burgers

also is the x270 any good? i don't care too much about the muh old thinkpad quality stuff but i'd like something that i can be a little rough with

Should I buy refurbished? Namely t420 refurbished

How's virtualization on an x220?

I just want to do light virtualization, nothing too intensive. It's just so I can teach some people how to do specific stuff without breaking anything.

Is it safe to buy a refurbished Thinkpad on eBay from a lot that uses a stock photo? What's the chance that it'll be in bad cosmetic condition?

>>59160676
i just sold a t500 for like 50 bucks

>>59153931
>computrace
>refurbished
So you bought a used computer someone installed Windows on and didn't even bother checking the bios.

Nice.
Honestly I'd have a fit and return it.

>>59154760
It was just limitations at the time, though they never revised it.
Apple on the other hand...

>>59159061
Thanks again btw. :)
That X220 would of had Windows installed, and I would of used that COA. Just get W7 professional ISO from the German mirror of digital river.

>>59160667
>Using two different laptops will be far more awkward than a true multi-monitor set-up
I was hoping there were programs for that like synergy.

Example
I could watch something on the t420 and browse the web on the x220, a good example of why i want the tablet, for scrolling and clicking links. Would it be good for that?

>>59159817
14" widescreen R61 is my 2nd favorite ThinkPad to type on from all the core 2 duo models.

>>59160389
I have an X131e I use for work that has an i3. Neat machine, decent performance, can use mSATA.
There is an edge version that was fat, similar to the X120e size.

>>59160530
He's ok but his talk about how Apple sucks when it comes to repairs and and how no one should buy closed hardware is kinda redundant when he always works on it.

>>59151542

Hey all,
Tell me about the 'eye cancer' meme?
I'm scouring eBay right now for a TP (I have a 500GB SD (7mm) to put in it so I'm specifically looking for something i5 that doesn't have a disk or doesn't have an SSD in it already, or has a tiny shitty one.

Have been a MBP Pro owner for about eight years (INB4 Get Out) and I do appreciate a decent screen. What am I aiming for screenwise, anons, what should I be getting? (Have read the Buyers Guide BTW)

I can probably spend up to £300, but if people honestly think the screens on old T4x Xxx systems can be pretty based / what to look for I'd appreciate the help.

>>59160946
>but if people honestly think the screens on old T4x Xxx systems can be pretty based / what to look for I'd appreciate the help.

(Meaning I see T4 systems for under a hundred pounds regularly and would love to snap one up and stick that SSD in one, but am worried about getting total eye cancer)

Don't know why I keep looking on ebay for Thinkpads I have no money for atleast a month.

>>59160834
I see people buying mediocrely specced T500's on Australian Ebay for $200 even. That's what an ordinary X230 with 180GB SSD or anything similar will cost anyway.

>>59160867
I haven't ever tried anything to combine desktops of different computers, but I doubt they'd be quite as seamless and lacking in latency as just using one computer.

Does the T420 already handle video playback and web browsing at the same time fine? Then having two separate devices won't add anything to the experience, save maybe for the touchscreen of the tablet. Maybe it'd make sense if you wanted to do this away from a desk I guess, but if you're just using one device for watching shit then an ordinary thinkpad screen isn't going to be ideal for it.

If you just want to have more thinkpads to play around with go ahead, I'm just skeptical of how practical it would be for you.

>>59160946
The base spec screen on just about any thinkpad is going to be terrible. A lot of them will have an option for a good high end screen as well but not all of them are incredible.

The T4*0 models in particular usually have a HD+ screen (1600x900 on T420 and T430) which is good enough for most people, but certainly not on IPS levels.

I've just missed my T460s delivery by 10 minutes. God damn it.

T420 for 270€

>1600x900
>2540M
>320GB hdd
>Few hours of battery

>>59161424
That seems shitty.

I got an x220 with a 2540M, 8GB of RAM and 128GB SSD for 245€

t470 out us store

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What sort of demand is there for W520s in the UK? I'm trying to sell one of the higher spec models of the W520 but I'm not having much luck.

1920 x 1080 Display
i7 2860QM
Quadro 2000M
16GB Memory
256GB SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD

Immaculate condition, minus the left speaker grill... can be replace for £10 though.

Any ideas on what I should price it at? I don't want to sell it on Ebay due to the huge cut they take.

>>59154884
>mfw i ordered a t420 from ebay for $90
>looks brand new
>internals look brand new too
>nvs 4200m
>HD+ screen
how much i can sell it for, i need something slim instead

>>59161765
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-14-i5-2540M-4GB-DDR3-NoHD-Win7Pro-COA-Grade-B-/152444967830?hash=item237e6d9b96:g:DacAAOSwfVpYrHLa

>>59161765
roughly 90 dollars

I'm typing this on one of the Yoga books with the fucking halo keyboards. Its horrific

>>59161424

kek

I got the same laptop for 130€

Still expensive tho, next time i'm gonna pay a nigga to fetch one from ebay-US for me.

>>59161601

300 squid if the battery isnt shit.

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Just bought this battery for a T410, only used it for a day but so far its been holding charge fairly well for a chink $30 battery. Yesterday I managed to get thru 2 lectures, 5 hours in total without charging and had about 40% left, I did only use word to take notes tho

Link if anyone is interested https://www.amazon.ca/Battpitt-trade-Notebook-Replacement-ThinkPad/dp/B008F4TXR4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1488291321&sr=8-5&keywords=thinkpad+t410+battery

my x260 is coming today
>am excite

>>59160628
I still use the T500 I bought for university in 2009. It's still perfectly fine for just about everything I need it to do, it just seems to struggle with some 1080p videos. I'm very reluctant to move to something newer because 1920x1200 is just so awesome.

>>59160667
I have literally never felt like the T9400 in my machine was lacking in any way when it comes to everyday tasks, and I use a T550 at work, so I should be spoiled by this supposed speed increase. Mind you I did replace the original 160 GB hard drive with a 250 GB SSD a few years ago, which improved speed massively, so this slowness you are experiencing could just be mechanical hard drives being their usual slow selves.

>>59162717
£300? Fuck off, I've seen T420s and X220s go for only a little bit short of that...

>>59162717
you can get better lad

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>>59155362
>>59155548
>>59155893

the new x1 carbon is eight thousand leagues better than some chinese basement glue mod.

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>>59164450

>>59160676

>Useable
>worthwiles

x220t Tablet for 360€

>i5
>12Gb ram
>240SSD
>6 cell battery

???

>>59164556
I personally would pick an X220 with an IPS over the X220t any day

So I spilled a little coke on my T420 keyboard.
What to do now?
The amount was small it didn't even reach the drainage holes.
I wiped it with paper tissues, and everything works.
Or di I gave to clean it in special way?

x230
>IPS
>8 GB ram
>[email protected]
>original 320GB HDD, replaced with 128GB SSD
>9 cell battery, used but still at 100% capacity according to tlp
>90Watt powersupply
>backlit kb
250€
did I do good?

where do you euro anons look for cheap thinkpads? is ebay the only place worth checking?

T470 is shipping today

with Op discount you can get one that isn't shit for about $1k exactly

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>>59161479

A bit pricey, isn't it?

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>tfw nearly bought a Yoga 710 for screen quality
Bought a Surface pro 4 instead for that sweet resale price to normies if it becomes shit/ drawing anime cocks functionality
I was actually blown away by how fucking terrible today's laptops are throughout technology stores
All disgusting 1366x768 flat, washed out matte panels, even on the ~15" models, cheap tacky plastic construction with god fucking awful keyboards
Hope this surface lasts me a couple of years, the screen looks amazing

>>59164450
>>59164473

Yeah, the price and trouble you have to go trough isn't worth it for these mods.
I just learned that X42 mods were using ES cpu lol. I would stay away like the plague. You would think that someone building a custom mobo knows his shit but nope.

Have you guys ever looked over the Lenovo outlet ? decent prices.

>>59165891
less than $700 for a base with i5 and 1080p IPS

Getting a p60 convince me not to

>>59165898
why not a thinkpad with an IPS display?

thinkpad tablet is even really good

>>59166157
yes, was tempted to cancel my 5th gen x1 carbon and get a 4th gen for almost half the price

but I need that sweet battery life, and the small bezels make my pee pee hard

940MX?

>>59166265
it doesn't exist

$360 for two x220s?

the x series seem pretty good but i wonder how crap the cpu (especially igpu) is compared the newer i5s? both 8 gb models.

Do you guys think Lenovo will release the retro line of thinkpads this anniversary?

>>59166353
Getting a p50 convince me not to

>>59166327
it's a 940m but with gddr5 vram instead of gddr3

you get like a 5-10% boost in performance. still unacceptable shit. IDK why lenovo is insistant with being a year behind on new technology adoptions
>no thunderbolt 3 until 2017
>maxwell GPUs in 2017

>>59166376
P51 exists

>>59166380
Everyone offers Maxwell still because Nvidia has not provided their ultra low power GPU ye

>>59166407
Dell offers the 1050 in their XPS 15

no reason a T570, T470p, and P51 can't also have it

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>>59165185
bump?

I'm trying to buy a w520 or something similar, would be popping my cherry in this thinkpad world too.

>>59166398
Why would he wait months and pay hundreds more dollars for 0% improvement?

Should I get a P50 or T470?

I'm looking for a desktop replacement, but I don't need the fastest CPU or a discrete video card (but will probably set up a Thunderbolt3 eGPU after moving abroad this year) and I'm completely fine with 1080p.

should i get a t420 or a x220?

just wanna code and watch anime.

>>59166801
x220, unless you need the bigger screen

>>59151542
I installed win10 on my t420 and now I can't for the life of me uninstall it. I keep trying to boot live usbs from the boot menu but it just takes me back to the boot menu, anyone know how to fix this?

Is tranny boot / core boot flashable with an orange pi?

>>59166801
Make sure that you get an x220 with the ips screen if you can.

>>59166933
How did you make your live usb's? If you used unetbootin, then it's your own fault for using that garbage software. rufus is good.

>>59167160
I made one hackintosh one with unibeast which doesn't work and another with unetbootin
I'll try again with rufus but it'd be nice if that hackintosh usb would boot. You sure there's not something i'm overlooking?

>>59167193
Well, unetbootin is a buggy pos, doesn't work well unless you are using a buntu iso in my experience. No idea about hackintosh stuff, never bothered with it myself.

>>59166801
x230 IPS + classic keyboard

OR

T430 w/X1 carbon screen mod + classic keyboard

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Can someone help me pick a thinkpad?

I do some video editing.
Some Koding w/ Karlie.
No gaming for me.
I spend most of my time with things like reading PDFs, web browsing, and networking like Packet Tracer, VMs, auditing apps etc.

What should I get? I'm willing to spend up to 1.5k.

Are they x1 carbon GEN 4's any good? They are somewhat cheap now

>>59166696
P50 EASILY

no competition

>>59167502
gen 4 cpu? the 4xxx series tend to have various issues, get a 5xxx if possible

>>59167566

No the 2016 x1 carbon sorry ^^

>>59167566
no, X1 Gens begin at ivy bridge

>>59167502
They are somewhat cheaper now. They are good, but from the newest ones they're lacking

>smaller bezels/width
>precision touchpad
>only decent battery life at 1080p

here's a good deal on a new one
http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/itemdetails/20FBCTO1WW-R90M84L1/445

or save a couple hundred for refurbished if you search yourself

http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon
shows 9 hours of battery life with 1080p screen at over 100% sRBG

>>59165898
My brother had a Surface Pro 3, or more accurately he had three of them because it was replaced under warranty three times. Because of the way they are built, it does not take much to make them worthless bricks; you just cannot repair and replace anything. I don't trust these things to last. Although maybe Microsoft has made some improvements, I could be wrong.

>>59166429
The 1050 is a consumer graphics card that has shittier drivers and is not as well suited to CAD work, which is what people with Thinkpads would normally be doing.

>>59167647

Thanks been looking at outlet for a while now

Are refurbished from lenovo in generally good condition? Or are they basically "new"

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how come the T400 series laptops have such horrible fucking screens

why not just use the exact same ones found in the X1 Carbons that are really good?
>>59167719
a lot of anons will tell you that buying refurbished is a bad idea but I disagree

what it means basically is
>used but tested
so it's likely to work and be in good condition out of the box, and if not then you have a warranty.

Can I whack any core 2 quad in my w500? Forums say the qx9300 is BIOS blocked but would a q9100 work? Any anons with a quad in their t/w 4/500

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Rate my business laptop for srs work
>7500U (3.5GHz single core, 3.0GHz under load)
>SM951 NVME drive
>3200x1800 IPS
>Lotsa ports
>Good battery life
>weighs 3 lbs flat
A worthy way to leave your dads thinkpads or an entry to consumer tech garbage?

>>59160389
X230?

>>59167830
>>Good battery life
define "good"
>leave your dads thinkpads or an entry to consumer tech garbage?
both

could have gotten an x1 1440p

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>>59168318
It's the first laptop where I can not bring my charger for a whole day and still use it heavily. The screen is weird but I just use 2x scaling and enjoy the high-ppi text and images. 900p even lets some games run

>>59167494

Get a Macbook Air you normalfag.

waddup negroids.
I have a slim 70mm height samsung evo 500GB drive and I want to stick it in real savage like.

The buying guide lists just a few models that take the 70mm drive, but can I fit it into a model that takes 90mm? Anyone done this?

>>59168559
You could just google it and would tell you straight away.

>>59168434
My X230T with 6 cell + slice gets 10-20 hours real usage time, depending on brightness and what I am doing. If I run low brightness without Wi-Fi, I get 20+.

>>59168707
I don't use my laptop at low brightness with no wifi.
This is better battery life than the 2 Lenovo thinkpads I've used and the half dozen IBMs I've used (not saying much, but still it's an improvement over what I previously used)

>>59168707
>with 6-cell + slice
>Think that compares to "3 lbs flat" MacBook clone

>>59168747
Nothing was ever mentioned about thin.

Its a laptop you can use all day at full brightness with wifi and not bring your charger. I can get 2-4 days out of it if I run low brightness.

>>59168804
>>59168707
Oh, I forgot to mention I only let my batteries charge to 80% to increase their lifespan.

>>59168825
EE here, that's outdated info that's created a myth in modern batteries
Modern lithium ion batteries are able to safely hold more voltage than "max" and it is better to fully charge them if you're using them constantly
If it's just going to sit for months, a 80% charge would be better

>>59168804
I'm just saying if you're gonna e critical about battery life you should be critical about the weight too
Trust me, if they made slice batteries for this I would be all over that, whether or not I need it, I'd be happy with another pound of performance

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>>59168881
Thats not true. Don't spread this misinfo that Li-Ion will take no additional wear when charged to 100% vs 80%.

Even EV car manufacturers know this, which is why the Nissan Leaf has a *recommended* option to only charge to 80% to increase battery lifespan.

Cycling a Li-Ion battery from 80% to 20% will increase its lifespan dramatically over cycling from 100% to close to 0% then back to 100%.

>>59168995
no, I'm not saying static voltage ranges are a myth, I'm saying "100%" is a myth

>>59169030
100% (indicated) SoC is still going to wear significantly more than a 90% or 80% indicated SoC.

I know that 100% indicated SoC is not truly 'full', but it is still above the point where the battery will take a higher wear level.

>>59169090
I mean there's a threshold, you could take what you said further and have a battery only run from 45%-55% for longetivity, but these charging voltages are fairly standard cell by cell, I'm sure the people who decided to set high and low cutoff voltages and overprovision a cell by .05v had data saying that was the most practical option
The constant stopping and starting, the nearly random loads and currents put on the battery would probably have a bigger impact than charging a battery to .2v less than "max" per cell

Trying to find a good eGPU solution, looked at PE4L but it is really expensive.

What other options are there for the T420?

>>59169090
I guess my point is we don't get static + dynamic discharge curve graphs with our batteries either way, the problem is extremely overexaggerated and battery specific data is a lot "fuzzier" than most people realize, especially with ion-based lithium batteries

I'm thinking about unloading a couple of thinkpads, what do you think a fair asking price is for the following bundles?
1. T430 i5, 8gb RAM, no hdd, ultrabay plus optical, 2 power bricks

2. t440p, i7-4810mq, 8gb ram, no hdd, dock, ultrabay plus optical, 2 power bricks, plus the original i5 it came with.

>>59169224
Oh a dock for the t430 as well

>>59167830
>>59168434
>no mention of brand/model

?????

>>59169192
>What other options are there
buying a new computer

you can get a P50 from the outlet for like $800, with full voltage i7 and thunderbolt 3

>>59169224
1. $200
2. $500

>>59167830
>business laptop
>no dock port
Keep telling yourself you have enterprise grade hardware, buddy.
Looks like a Dell latitude series to me, but probably 3000 series.

is Dell XT3 with 128GB SSD a good buy for 160$?

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>>59169318
Why should the brand have anything to do with it?
?????
HP envy x360 btw, basically identical to early 2016 spectre x360 (which has more reviews and such)

>>59153445
Lubuntu
LXLE
Antix

>>59169390
Yeah, I might list them $100 more and best offer.

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>>59169393
Thunderbolt3 is a displayport, PCIe x4, and 10Gbps "dock"
Sadly I don't have thunderbolt, just USB 3.0 type C, I deserve the pain

>>59169446
HP Envy is consumer grade

What's a good, solid enterprise laptop to buy on refurb, one that's not too old and runs cool and quiet? On an Elitebook 8440P which has served me well but runs hot. Need a trackpad with realy buttons.

>>59169390
Actually I think I'll pull the 4810mq and list it with the original i5 for $350, then list the 4810mq for $300 since all the existing ones are $300+ and coming from China

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>>59169528
Yep, needing to plug in several things instead of one giant connection makes me unfit to show my face around any building over 4 stories tall
But from a consumer standpoint like you're also coming from, is it a good replacement, coming from old hand me down thinkpads from 2008 and back?

I am considered a used P50 or a Precision 7510 since the newer models (P51 and 7520) only have minor specs upgrades (increased Kaby Lake frequencies around 300 Mhz, refreshed Maxwell Quadros.
Why should I buy a used P50 over the 7510?
From the reviews it seems that the IPS panel (1080p) of the 7510 is better than the P50.
And from what I read Dell support >> Lenovo's.
What's your take on these two models?

>>59160440
it was bought refurbished. He jewed out on it

>>59169797
It's just not business grade, I'm not putting you down on a personal level. Sure it's a more powerful computer than those old thinkpads, nicer screen, etc. But the purpose of an old thinkpad is the price, the ability to upgrade/replace parts and the better than average support for linux.

>>59164650
but t has IPS by default

>>59169771
good call

>>59166429
That's some high power shit desu

>>59160845
>It was just limitations at the time, though they never revised it.
Please elaborate

>>59161424
...and may I guess, 4GB of ram? Well, on the bright side it's 1600 x 900. Still, no sane person anywhere in europe should ever pay a cent more than 180€ for that.

>>59166134
>ES cpu
wat?

>>59163177
Does it still sit in the dock with this battery?

>bought thinkpad t420
>audio issues, won't even detect out devices in linux or windows
>updated bios and audio worked for a while
>just stopped working
>take laptop apart
>cables seem fine, blow dust, unplug and replug etc

can I just get some external audio thing that I can plug in the bay or something ?


Im pretty much tired of dealing with this bullshit

>>59169379
Why would I want to spend nearly $800 on a machine I don't intend to use it for much other than shitposting and light vidya?
For real, I'll stick with the T420

Does anyone here have better options for eGPU?

>>59166357

sounds about right

i'd get only one and a new battery+ssd for it tho.

>>59164315

enjoy your laptop then shitkunt, nobody is gonna pay more for a 6 year old laptop, thats why you should never get the most expensive model cause it has shit resale value. thats why 99% of memepads here are mid-spec'd.

So should the Thinkpad T470 support Thunderbolt 3 eGPU enclosures such as the Akitio Node? It has TB3 unlike the X270.

>>59169910
Even refurbished, what kind of laptop worth a shit can't hold a battery

Specially coming from lenovo, this ain't some guy in his basement who dropped it really hard

>>59171221

>cheap chink usb soundcards, work on windows fine, sound shit, no idea aboiut linux support

>some less cheap usb soundcards, sound less shit, still no idea about linux support

>not cheap expresscard soundcards, still no idea about linux support

Google yourself, but basically these are your options.

Can anyone tell me which options should I -not- touch on the advanced menu of the modded BIOS on the x220?

>>59171695
the boy/girl one

let the thinkpad choose on it's own

>>59171728
Oh no sir. It's going to become a transmechanical expressgendered space cowboy whether it likes it or not

>>59158700
>>59158873

I got an X301. At this point, shitposting is pretty much all it can do, but it is just such a phenomenal computer. I don't think anything as well built and well engineered has come before or since. It is worth owning just to admire.

But don't pay too much

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I finnaly found what i have been looking for but still have a long way to go.

http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/ltwbook_2013.pdf

>>59171795
I thought that was the default for any <*40 thinkpad past the year 2010?

What could I use mSATA for?

I already have a SATA SSD. mSATA uses a SATA II connection on my thinkpad so it's slower.

>>59171969
Use the msata on your thinkpad and use your sata ssd on something else?

Or have 2 ssd

>>59172003
2 SSDs... is it too much of a waste to get a 256GB mSATA drive these days? It'd be cool as a storage drive.

My slice battery refuses to stop charging to 100%. I have it set to stop charging at 80% and it keeps charging to 100%.

I have reinstalled the software multiple times. Windows 7.

Any ideas?

>>59172035
one for windows one for linux. If you dont use linux i guess another storage drive is nice?. But in that case i would use Msata as os and other ssd as storage because it's slightly more portable. I dont think it's slower speeds is really relevant unless you are some special use case.

Where can I buy t430 thinkpads for under $200 USD? Is it safe to buy thinkpads off of ebay? I really don't trust people on there.

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Hey /tpg/! Check out what I just got for FREE!

It even included a good battery and the docking station. What should I do with it?

>>59172142
install gentoo

what the difference x220t to x230t with better keyboard?

Anything that matters/?

>>59172142
install linux, rice the living hell out of it, buy tall socks, shitpost


You won't be sorry

>>59172408
But I like and prefer Windows.

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>>59156414
>What kind of backlight does the X60 use?
CCFL. Led backlighting wasn't used in any screens until some on the X201. and those are bad enough that people still replace them with LED upgrade kits.
> There's LED backlight conversion kits around and that can really improve brightness which is what you want.
Yes, and improve the color rendering. I make them.

>>59172535
Windows is for desktop purposes, Linux is for running specific shit and getting work done. There's no point in using Linux on it if all you intend to with it is shitposting (unless its specs are so shit it can't run Windows properly).

Basically all I need to do is run windows and have a decent battery life.
x220 ?

>>59167701
And you would say a 940MX isn't?

>>59172857
X230.

>>59173106
I came into an msata ssd so I basically wanted the cheapest thing that could use an msata ssd and run windows, maybe with some programming or anime watching.

Ok guys, my T400 is getting old and I want a new Memepad. My budget is $200. I want something small with a 10-12 inch display. It needs to have 6+ hours of battery life, at least a C2D and 4GB of RAM. I don't need a hard drive. What model should I look for? ABSOLUTELY NO AMD HARDWARE.

>>59164650
The t models all have IPS

>>59173206
For $200 you can get a decent X220 but if you were willing to pay a few bucks more you could get an X230 with far superior graphics performance. I mean, there are certainly ways to get an X230 for $200 but the condition would probably suck.

>>59173320
Thanks. I'll probably go for a used x220 and put those few extra bucks towards a new battery, since that'll be really important.

>>59173347
Sounds good. Try to find one with IPS display.

Any ideas on a 70++ battery for a T420. I've looked on the UK eBay but there are none there...

>>59173320
>X230 with far superior graphics performance

How superior? All I'm seeing is that it can have IntelHD 4000 instead of 3000

I got a job working on a C++ compiler. It takes a lot of power to compile a compiler (specifically linking), so I need a more powerful laptop unless I want to do everything on my desktop.

I need at least 16 GiB of RAM (32 would be better) and a fast quad core processor. I don't think a standard T420 will be of much use to me with my specifications. Any recommendations? I'd prefer it to look blocky and professional instead of "thin" and "sleek" but I understand that my requirements don't offer a lot of room for aesthetics.

>>59173627
Yep. HD4000 is approximately twice as fact. The leap was MASSIVE

>>59173627
intel hd 4000 is worlds ahead of hd 3000.

http://compare-processors.com/hd-graphics-3000-vs-4000-benchmarks/5674/

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>>59173804

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What do you guys think, is an X40 or X41 still enough for shitposting and anime in 2017?

>>59173637
Look at the W series. W520 and W530 primarily.

>>59173804
Thew nread

>>59167744
They're not for art

>>59169393
WTF do you use the dock for

>>59173820
Absolutely