https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-j ust-added-the-best-way-o

Who needs Chrome if you have Edge, right?

>by only letting you install things from the Windows Store
>"Install anyway"

are you a retard?

They're just stopping dumb normies from installing pornvideo.exe or whatever. Who cares?

the poos are driving mircosoft image into the ground someone get the keys away from their marketing dept.

I've seen this coming literally years ago and you fags didn't believe me

fucking kek

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>>59128806

>>59128814
have you seen whats on the windows store. it's full of chinese botnet. MS probably doesn't even do QC

>this will actualy be marketed as an innovation to dumb normies


>THEY WILL BELIEVE IT

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>>59128824

So, its more telemetry disguising itself as a service?

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>scrolled down to the comments
>they actually think it's good

>>59128839
Anyone who unironically uses Windows 10 deserves it.

>>59128801
Google Chrome Canary is God-tier above it all. Microsoft should abolish all default "apps" from Windows 10. It would be for the best.

>>59128864
What an *ss

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>>59128826
Wow, these totally not-sketchy apps at the top of the Microsoft Windows store will totally not fuck up my computer I'm sure

I particularly like the one partially hidden on the right - "email for Gmail" - which asks for your Google username and password, very trustworthy

app store only will be default in the future, unless you buy the most expensive edition

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>>59128788
Daily reminder Microsoft is already dead. They are living on borrowed time.

Almost 50% of windows users are still using windows 7 with no indication they will ever switch to 10.

It's already done, Consumers are happy enough with chrome os and the charts don't lie.

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>>59128850

first steps, update by update.

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>>59128788
wtf I hate windows no-
>>59128850
oh

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>>59128788
>>59128824
wooooooooooow

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>>59128864
>cant wait for the days MS will force everyone through the Store

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>>59128886
This is actually true. They also plan to rename Win10 home to "cloud", one of the new """features""" will be this. And since you can't turn off the updates on home, everyone will get it.

>>59128890
Everyone shat on ballmer but his run was way better then this fucking pajeet they have now. get rid of the brown stank and the company will improve again.

>>59128885
>15 tabs open on your phone

>>59128788
what an irony, UWP isn't mature enough to support a real browser and that's the reason why Edge isn't on the store and is part of the OS.

>>59128864
That was painful reading.

>>59128850
You'll be suprised at how many users out there wont even bother with that. They will just see they can't install apps they way they have done it the past 20 years and just abandon the platform.

This shit is going to be hilarious.

>>59128814
This is exactly how it started in both Chrome and Firefox with addons.
>You'll have to start pressing a checkbox to install addons that aren't from the store. It's for your protection
>You'll have to enable a flag in debug settings, it's for your protection
Now you can't have any non-store extensions in either of the fuckers without it giving you annoying ass popups and auto-disabling them every time.

This normie-protection scheme bullshit is pure cancer. We need to start equating technologically illiterate people with the mentally-challenged, because they are.

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FUCK THAT SHIT

IM DONE WITH WINDOWS

FUCKING DONE

>>59128920
Only idiots shat on Ballmer. He was a great CEO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMLcKtVwF-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI_xuFA18m4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04FOUQpnGsc

>>59128923
Protip: software quality doesn't matter any more for them. MS themselves said they wanted to move away from software to "cloud services". They literally have a monopoly for PCs, and remember secure boot? They also want to make it non-removable. Take a guess why,

>>59128953
fuck yea he was. backbone of MS. whipped those niggers into shape

DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!

>>59128940
Most users don't even know how to reinstall windows.

Yup. Eventually it'll look like this, then remove the option altogether. Will have to be on a domain with the correct GPO settings to override, and then after a time time, nothing will enable it.

Year of Linux desktop 2040

>>59128959
it's a dumb move. cloud is over saturated and once people actually learn what it is will abandon any service once they lose shit to the cloud or learn they have lost control.

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>>59128990

>>59128991
Pajeet CEO isn't too smart. But his plan is really evil.

>>59128864
Mspoweruser is full of microsoftfags though at least they are better than ms something.

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>you will have to jailbreak your PC to ene install another OS

>>59129167
sage

>>59128788
>preventing installation of bloatware in Windows 10
How funny, the moment you open the Windows Store on a clean install, it installs Candy Crush.

>>59129003
Right click > Open

.>>59128815
It's an NSA plot.

>only letting you
>'install anyway' button is right there on OPs pic
nice sensational thread you have there bro

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>>59129013
>Microsoft bribes OEMs to lock down their hardware so it'll only work with Windows
>Microsoft locks down Windows so that you can only install approved software, and it automatically reports you to the police if it detects pirated material

>>59129291
>big scary "ARE YOU SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING NIGGA" warning coming up when you click on an executable
>in any way needed
how about we petition for microsoft to make a dildo so you can fuck yourself with it?

>>59129291
They button is going to disappear in a few months.

>retards will stop installing shady shit, leading to less malware infections and less support requests for microsoft
>people that know what they're doing will continue to install anything they like

how the fuck is this a bad move in any way? i hate windows 10 as much as the next guy, but i fail to see the problem here.

>by only letting you install things from the Windows Store
why are you lying, OP?

>>59129335
If you're so fucking retarded to get scared by that message or to be unable to find the Install anyway button, then you probably should stick with Store's apps.

>>59129305
Look up how secure boot was going to work. MS wanted all computers sold with windows compatibility to have non-removable """secure boot"""

>>59129305
> Microsoft is currently testing a new feature which will allow Windows 10 users to only install apps from the Windows Store

read the article?

>>59129335
See >>59128912
If you're not tech illiterate, you can easily turn that off and it will never bother you again.

>>59129409
>>59129374

wrong quote

>>59129398
>>59129415
i'm not talking about people who know how to use computers, i'm talking about your average user.

this bullshit is ridiculous, the user shouldn't be encumbered by the OS. especially not by something that has no business being there.

>>59129440
>wrong quote

did you mean this one:
>This feature is obviously disabled by default, but users can enable it really easily if they want.

>>59129444
The average user will happily download and execute malware "because that popup said I had a virus and this gets rid of it".
Not like this is going to help. Remember Windows Vista's UAC? Nobody liked it and many downloaded extra tools that would turn it off.

>>59129458

1. update disabled by default
2. update enabled by default
3. update you cannot disable it

>>59129483
>3. update you cannot disable it
[citation needed]
stop making shit up

>>59129482
>The average user will happily download and execute malware "because that popup said I had a virus and this gets rid of it".
yeah, and? windows defender is decent enough, and blanket blacklisting any executable is fucking bullshit.

i would understand this, kinda, if it was in linux mint or some other decent OS. but with microsoft you can tell they're going to go full retard with it.

the business of the OS is to facilitate the whims of the user. this implies allowing people to do what they need to do, and a crucial part of that is to allow users the necessary trust to do their bidding.

if you want your OS to constantly handhold you, move over to a mac.

>>59128916
One company, one userbase, one OS!

>>59129489
Stop being so fucking naive.

>>59128921
Is that not enough? Usually I have 60-80 tabs open, but been spring cleaning today

>>59129624
stop making shit up

>>59129631
Use your brain to find out what their next logical steps are going to be.

>>59129642
stop making shit up

>>59129655
Are you literally retarded or a shill? Protip: you won't convince me

>>59129665
convince you of what? that you're pulling shit out of your ass?

>>59129676
How the fuck do you even survive if you can't think logically?

>>59129690
>makes shit up
>thinks this is the logical way of thinking

you are on par with /pol/ conspiracy theorists.

>>59129702
Enjoy your spying OS which treats you like a child, i guess
One of the leaked versions already had a function included that won't just let you deactivate a setting, but will force Win10 home users to buy the pro version
Guess why

>>59129702
>randomly brings /pol/ into it
maybe r/technology on reddit would be more your style

>>59129742
>Enjoy your spying OS which treats you like a child
i don't run windows 10, i am not retarded.

>>59129483
>complaining about things that haven't happened
Grade A retard.

>>59129702
Fuck off pajeet you NSA nigger.

>>59129742
>t will force Win10 home users to buy the pro version
>Guess why
Jesus, you really are just making shit up arent you?

>>59129766
microsoft did it with win 10 upgrades senpai, they were (and still are) very much trying to force everyone to use windows 10

>>59129772
You fags also didn't believe me when I said that they wont remove telemetry

Your denial is very strong

>>59129779
>change two registry entries
>win10 update bullshit disappears
woooooooooow
which brings us back to:
>retards will stop installing shady shit, leading to less malware infections and less support requests for microsoft
>people that know what they're doing will continue to install anything they like

>>59129785
Its common sense to dismiss the crazy man on the street comer screaming at cats stealing his thoughts since its not a source with any real evidence

The best OS just got even more secure and /g/ complains about an OPTIONAL feature.

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>>59129772
>>59129807

>>59129819
>insider preview
>having any relevance in the real world

>literally complaining about unfinished software that only exists for testing purposes
nu-/g/ is fucking retarded

they are literally holding me hostage with muh games

someone save me

>>59129850
see
>>59129785

>>59129792
>i want everyone to be coddled because they can't make any decisions for themselves
this isn't a decision by microsoft to make everything run on ring 0 you retard, it's a decision to introduce more bloated bullshit that will just annoy experienced users and force inexperienced users to use microsoft's garbage.

>>59129819
>win10 cloud

Yea I dont have an ARM based desktop

>>59129856
call me when it's in the stable build

>>59129861
>that will just annoy experienced users and force inexperienced users to use microsoft's garbage
refer to >>59129374

>>59128917
Stop your propaganda, windows cloud will be a standalone version and no home user will be updated to it.

>>59129861
Experienced users don't use Windows. And with this they will stop having to babysit family's machines.

>>59129902
whats wrong with creating a non-admin account for tech illiterate people?

>>59128788
>Microsoft just added the best way of preventing installation of bloatware in Windows 10
translation: microshaft cucking users
That's how you spot normie shit websites.

Meanwhile random Joe is infecting his computer running PornHubViewer.exe downloaded from russian warez site.

> not liking locked app stores

It's not about you, it's about computer illiterates. The store is shit right now but everyone has come to the conclusion that locking a system down and allowing only verified code to run is the only way to prevent grandmothers and stupid office workers from fucking their systems up.

>>59129934
yes because we all know microsoft is very welcoming to power users who want to bypass their "security features"

>>59128923
>UWP isn't mature enough to support a real browser

says who?
because no one wants to build one in UWP?

browser engines are a nightmare, just like WIN32.
the fact that 'edge' isn't in the store is more of a testament to the amount of man hours spent developing engines in the first place.

>>59129878
Take a guess why the leaked ISO was missing the home edition

>>59128949
no you aren't pussy.

you'll reinstall it within the next week.

>>59129975
The whole idea of downloading and installing some random shit from untrusted sources is stupid. So-called "power users" usually fuck their computers by installing anything from anyone because "it's more convenient".

Just switch to Linux if you don't like it.

>>59130037
>The whole idea of downloading and installing some random shit from untrusted sources is stupid.
>so hook yourself up to the (((matrix)))
how about no

BOTNET
O
T
N
E
T

>>59129975
there is no such thing as a windows power user.

you can't have power as a user if your OS inherently nonfree.

>>59128788
So? It's an ok way to tell normies that installing 3rd party shit might be dangerous. I don't fellas complaining about 3rd party .apks disabled by default on Android.
Windows Store is still trash though.

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>>59130056

People still try to delude themselves anyways.

>>59130056
alright alright calm down richard

>>59129522
>windows defender is decent enough
It's not, if person was lead to a landing page trojan might be freshly crypted anyway so no AV will help.

>>59129374
see
>>59128943

>>59130071
you're hurting my feelings :(

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>>59128788
Jesus Christ did any of you actually read the article past the headline?

>>59130092
how are google and mozilla related to microsoft again?

refer to >>59129873

>>59129819
Whats does the cloud version have to do with real windows? You might as well be talking about windows rt lacking features the real version has

>>59128943
Normies are people actually wanting to get things done without technical shit preventing them from. The obvious solution is to provide them with the tools they need from trusted sources and lock the rest so that they don't have to care about clicking on the wrong think and getting ransom'd.

You claiming liberty because MS targets another public is retarded. If you want to run any shit from anywhere just get Debian.

>>59130127
The cloud version is just regular windows 10 that blocks any exe files from running.

>>59130139
[citation needed]

>>59130137
just hide an option to denormify windows 10 and remove telemetry for the love of god

>>59130081
>what is heuristics

>>59130137
>the soviet russia approach to OS design
what, are we supposed to get all of our food from a secure and trusted repository next, comrade?

>>59130137
>Lets fuck over everyone
lel, you do realize that you aren't getting away from it? MS could just force secur eboot and your linux won't werk.

>>59130153
Read this thread
https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S58796102

>>59130168
Something virusmakers never heard of, right?

>>59130181

They know that they'll get sued to shit if they try enforcing secure boot on x86, it's why they developed their ARM x86 emulator.

Reminder that if MS bans al virus scanners except their own, all windows 10 installations will have the same ""protection"". This means that if someone creates an exploit, it will work on literally EVERY windows 10 machine. Great, right?

>>59130181
No different from iToys or locked tablets/Androids. If there is no market for unlocked machines, well, sad for you.

>>59130212
You're retarded if you see antivirus as proper security. Just buy some commun sense and stop fucking your OS with snake oil.

>>59130235
>no fucking arguments
Nice!

>>59130168
something that doesn't work since cryptographically secure VMs are a thing.

hell even basic polymorphism beats them.

the best AVs can do to "spot" malware is to load up some horribly designed x86 emulator, written by some third party slav vendor, with some basic win32 implementations and pray to god the virus will do something they expect, which it might not, if it can even execute in their shitty engine properly

>>59130212
good.

Antivirus products are literal malware.

>>59130260
Windows 10 is literally malware.

>>59129489
You couldn't disable windows 10 updates for over a year

>>59130272
very true as well.

shit idea, imo. not like it matters anyway, I use Linux.

>>59130212
desu, microsoft would probably get sued for destroying an entire industry like that

>>59129702
retarded nigger

>>59130182
A lot of people on /g/ seem to believe that anti-virus software only works with known malware (signatures). That is wrong.

>>59130308
no they wouldn't.

there is nothing saying that Microsoft has to perpetuate malware on their OS.

they can't even get apple to allow other browser engines the ability to run on iOS.

>>59130301
>shit idea
>I'm already using an OS that does this

>>59129305
>microsoft gets taken to court for trying to abuse their virtual monopoly and gets broken up, only to be bought by indian tech firms
Is that their end game?

>>59130329
>there is nothing saying that Microsoft has to perpetuate malware on their OS.
They never did or were obligated to. But other third party software developers write these programs to specifically detect and remove malware that microsoft simply cannot keep up with.

>>59130344
They do have an Indian CEO.

>>59130354
how do they remove malware?

by installing nonfree kernelspace drivers that aggressively scan and use garbage written third party vendor software to try and parse literally any file?

have fun with your malware from malformed files rekting your shitty AV parsers.

>>59129869
Win10 cloud only runs on x86

>>59130383
>how do they remove malware?
thats how their programs work. They can quarantine or remove the malware

>non free drivers
holy fuck are you meming me right now?

>>59128788
great 10,000 hindu and islamic calender apps, koran and prayer time apps, and fake youtube apps. just what we need.

>>59130395
This, why can't they just accept an app store has no fucking place on a PC.

I'm so sick of faggot developers at Microsoft trying to degrade PC's into fucking tablets with a keyboard.

>>59130108
How are Google and Mozilla related?
This is the path everyone takes. They lock it down a little, people still fuck it up, they lock it down more, people still fuck it up, then they lock it down entirely.

Either we stop putting up with people locking shit down for the sake of literally mentally challenged people, like we do with everything else, or we end up with a locked-down pile of unusable dogshit. Those are the options. You can deny it all you want, but this is the path that everything computer related has been taking.

WINDOWS IS NOT A MOBILE OS REEEEEEEE

>>59130391
do you even know how AV engines work? how that "real time" protection works?

it's installing nonfree filesystem drivers in kernel space so it can respond to changes in your filesystem.

>>59128889
kek

>>59130212
and then they'll get sued to infinite and beyond when some major businesses get hacked/malware and were forced to use Windows JUST FUCK UP MY HARDDRIVE AND CPU USAGE Defender.

Let it happen.

>>59130435
>Caring about "nonfree"
>On Windows

>>59130411
>app store has no fucking place on a PC
Just like those Linux repos, right?

>>59130450
if you can't fee anything wrong with running literal poo in loo quality software--that happens to be nonfree, in kernelspace, you should probably kill yourself.

>>59130455
Exactly. Its cancerous shit.

>>59130472
yes, if the drivers were free, they'd suddenly be a lot better

>>59130137
No, normies are people too braindead to be trusted with scary things like administrator accounts because they are literally mentally challenged and can't tell the difference between an actual system dialog and a jpg-artifacted Windows XP-themed browser popup on their Windows 7 OS stating they have a virus. That they somehow manage to get work done on these systems is incidental at best.

We live in a world that is literally dependent on computers. If you still do not understand the basics of how they work and how to keep them running, you are LITERALLY RETARDED. The world should not cater to you. It should be trying to rehabilitate you, just like we do for other mentally challenged and learning-disabled people.

>>59130455
Linux repos are not centralized. There is always one by your distro with most stuff you need, but all repo system allow you to add more sources.

App stores are centralized. There is always only one central authority that provides packages.

>>59130445
Businesses are already running Win10 pro or enterprise. Only home users are fucked.

>>59130473
how the fuck is having automated dependency resolution and PGP verification cancerous?

hell it even makes it easier to search and install software.

>>59130499
yes they would be better because people who actually know what they are doing could make thorough code coverage testing suites to determine a wide range of common memory errors.

debugging and testing nonfree software isn't as easy.

>>59128920
ballmer left because of all the prajeets shitting it up when he was there.
>>59128953
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>59130411
To be fair bro, the surface is pretty good. its just expensive and odd getting used to using.

>>59128978
god above this. my fucking grandfather, who i gave windows 7 ultimate disks, and LEGAL working keys, still went and paid some greaseball at a fleamarket $45 to install windows for him. fucking normies.

>>59130499
They could be improved and audited by anyone though.

>>59130445
except they won't because AV companies and other memeware "security" companies continue selling bullshit to morons and never get sued for failures in their product.

>>59128940
>can't click settings
>abandon windows and install gentoo
I'm literally dying from this bullshit

>>59130545
>>59130550
And yet noone who is competent enough to reliably do that will do it for free. Just for a company to use it and make money off of it.

There is Open-Source anti-virus software. It's inferior to most commercial products.

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>>59130580
DAHNALD
THEY HAVE STOPPED ME FROM INSTALLING KEKTRUCK9000.EXE FOR THE LAST TIME
I'M IN THE SYSTEM DAHNALD
WITH MY SECRET WEAPON, JULLIAN ARSEANGE I'M GOING TO FINALLY INSTALL GENTOO
I WILL FINALLY HAVE THE DELEGATES DAHHNALD

>>59130589
Closed source driver can't be audited by anyone competent enough too, lad.

>>59130589
Why are you trying to steer this thread into something completely unrelated to the problem, pajeeet?

>>59128864
So many pajeets. It's too much. Help.

>>59130242
If you tell me you've encountered a virus while not being stupid, I don't believe you. You have to actually try to install it despite warnings to get infected.

Therefore, two cases :
1. you know how to use a PC -> you don't see viruses -> antiviruses are useless.
2. you don't know how to use a PC -> you'll give admin rights to the first shit that asks for it, install VLC_WebPlayer.jpg.ru.exe twice a week and get fucked the first time you encounter something too recent for your antivirus -> antiviruses are useless.

>>59130736
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

>>59130736
Reality does not give a shit about your beliefs.

>>59130724
i was half expecting to see a picture of a fat old prajeet asking "how fix computer, because i erase so wife would not see nudity of penis sent to american men.".

those thirsty bastards.

>>59130500
Except it's how people work. You don't need an admin account to get rekt, user rights are enough to encrypt all the user folder or steal CC info. Trying to educate people didn't work, so locking down is the solution.

Also, you may not realize it, but UIs can be pretty confusing for no reason. Good luck explaining to the random computer illiterate guy that he can trust a website when there is the green lock, but no not here, just when it's here, because if it's in the page it's fake, oh and also verify that it's the good URL, and that the site is not imitating the browser's interface, and...

Windows should create a locked down "office" account for normies working in cubicles.

The Microsoft store is no different than Linux's emphasis on downloading software exclusively from your distribution's software repository.

>>59130841
>Trying to educate people didn't work, so locking down is the solution.
Yes! They are totally not doing it because they want to got extreme revenues from sold Windows 10 Store(R) apps! They are actually helping us! How nice of them!

>>59130877
Except linux distros don't force you to use their repo.

>>59130851
That's what an anykey is for.

>>59130775
Me having never seen a virus despite being stupid more than once is not a belief, it's a fact. id you already get infected and how ?

Also, this https://twitter.com/taviso/status/732365178872856577
https://twitter.com/taviso/status/793354114751082497
https://twitter.com/taviso/status/778293578430689280
https://twitter.com/taviso/status/748596968272732160

You can't trust antivirus vendors.

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>>59128788
Too bad your crippling addiction to video games will keep you on Windows, no matter what Microsoft does :-)

>>59130885
They happen to also have financial interest in locking down the system, because it allows them to create a stupid tax on app sales. Changes nothing to the security side.

>>59130897
You're on your own if you use a third-party repo. It's the same as unknown Windows binaries. May be good for you if you check the origin and audit the code first, but the normies will click blindly and get infected.

>>59128788
this is Mac OSX tier retarded

>>59130980
I agree. But that doesn't mean that MS should lock out all home users. And even though virus scanners can have bugs, they DO recognize shit so it helps the normie more than not being able to run ANYTHING they want with THEIR computer.

>>59131028
macOS (as it is now called) offers more freedom than Windows 10.

>>59131044
but with none of the functionality, games and raw support

>>59131028
Except
- you can just disable automatic updates o nOSx
- you can run non-store apps, it only asks you once for every app

>>59131061
>raw support
Do you have a PhD in Buzzwords?

>>59131064
>only asks you once
it shouldn't ask you at all!

>>59131061
Your old and indie games won't werk if they make the store mandatory
Not many devs will go with this shit, just like everyone said fuck you to Windows phone 7 and the windows 8.1 appstore

>>59131076
The amount of third party support for windows supersedes mac OSX's support by miles

>>59131100
McDonald's is also the food franchise with the most locations.
That's not an assessment of quality.

>>59131121
It is when you have a plethora of software readily available for your OS. For example OSX still doesn't have widespread game support

>>59131147
>games
Nice meme

>>59131147
Look, you're not going to win this argument. It was fun, Praheeet/delusinal windows apalogist.

>>59131170
>that doesn't count because I said so

>>59130998
More and more games are coming to Linux. The era of Windows gaming will end if game devs are forced to use Microsoft's shitty store.

>>59131189
>can't rebut
>look you aren't going to win
not an argument

>>59131095

That would be a big legal battleground. Only accepting certain software + no support for DX12 in Linux (unless I'm wrong?) = anti-trust

>>59131190
see
>>59131095

>>59131213
yea my old shitty indie games, but nothing modern indie or AAA?

>>59131219
The only real reason everyone uses windows is backwards compatibility. MS literally will kill that.

>>59131232
>it couldn't be games
>it couldn't be large intercompatibility, understanding, knowledge of the system across the world

>>59131240
>intercompatibility
But thats what they want to kill.

>>59131247
It means that if I have a software I want to work on someone elses' computer I NEVER have to worry about it not being compatible

>>59131240
>>it couldn't be large intercompatibility, understanding, knowledge of the system across the world

wtf did you even say?
lay off the buzzwords moron.

also games are literally the definition of the legacy compatibility problem. If their core engine components weren't shit, they would be significantly more portable.

>>59131256
But they want to lock down the home edition only, which means that you have programs at work which won't be install able at your home computer unless you upgrade for 200 bucks. They are literally splitting the userbase.

>>59131288
>wtf did you even say?
>lay off the buzzwords moron.
You're a fucking retard. Windows is used because they established clear dominance across the world. This means that all of my shit works on a computer in NY as it does in Canada, or Europe, or China.

>>59128978
Infact, I don't know how to do that either. Past couple times I've tried doing it for relatives, it always ends up stopping with some weird, cryptic error during installation.

>>59131343
see
>>59131293
You're not going to win this argument.

/v/iggers would rather wear an anal probe than give up just 1 game.

>>59131219
>AAA
You mean games designed for the lowest common denominator with big marketing budgets?

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Pajjjjeeeet is doing overtime.

>>59131343
what the fuck? how does that change the fact that window's dominance is primarily through dependence on Legacy code support?

How to spot pajeet: He has low argumentative skills

>>59129819
That's Windows Cloud, not Windows home, my retarded friend.

>>59130841
>Trying to educate people didn't work
Really? Who was trying to educate anyone? Was your computer class in school anything other than typing lessons and Microsoft Office?

We haven't been educating people for shit. Nice try.

>Also, you may not realize it, but UIs can be pretty confusing for no reason.
I might be smarter than your average Joe Schmo but I'm no fucking genius and I get it, I'm sure we could get a majority of people to understand it if we ever actually tried. Deny all you want but we need to start making this shit mandatory knowledge just like basic reading, writing, and arithmetic.

>>59131590
see
>>59128917
>>59129742

>>59131609
do you have any source on those claims that aren't anonymous posters on a taiwanese radio enthusiast forum

>>59131632
http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-cloud-good-idea

Notice how he's talking about win10 cloud as if it's intended for home users, not "chromebook clones".

>>59131680
notice how that website isn't affiliated with Microsoft in any way

>>59131733
Notice how we're speculating but you deny that such a possibility could even exist.

>>59131741
I deny that such a possibility exists because the entire success of Windows is built on legacy applications. Preventing users from installing said applications would be the dumbest thing MS could do, see the complete failure of the Surface RT devices.

>>59131353
Off this board, now.

>>59131755
They literally implemented automatic updates for this reason. It would be stupid of them to NOT try it.
This time the customers can't just not buy the device, MS literally fucks up the one they already own. And they will always allow users to buy the Pro version for $200. Maybe this is the reason Win10 was "free".

>>59131794
>It would be stupid of them to NOT try it.
They have already tried forcing people to use Windows Store apps only. It did not work.
If MS decides to fuck over existing customers they'll just buy a mac.

>>59131819
So what you're saying is that they COULD try it. Fair enough

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Since there's never any Windows threads I'll complain here.

>gmail account has worked fine since I installed 10
>suddenly doesn't work, nothing has changed on my end
>can't go into account settings because something went wrong
>people posting about this bug since 2015
>the only solution is to give everything full permissions on your home directory
>it doesn't even fix the problem
>since 2015
>I'm going to have to reinstall my OS and every application by hand to get email notifications again
This is bullshit.

>>59131777
So knowing how to install Windows on a computer is a pre-requisite for being on /g/? You're a moron. The relatives in question got debian installed instead, which still allows them to do everything they need and prevents them from mistakenly installing weird shit on their computers.

>>59131851
friendly reminder that using the Mail app *actually* gives MS permission to read every email received or sent via it.

>>59128788
>windows 10 cloud

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>>59128788
>This is undoubtedly a crucial new feature in Windows 10: it will help Microsoft prevent installation of bloatware and malware on Windows 10 PCs.

Can't they just teach people how to use computers instead?

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>>59131851
You've been warned

>>59131880
>it's this fake pasta made by a furfag again

>>59131870
I don't doubt it, but I've unfortunately given up on privacy concerns in the past few years, for multiple reasons.

>>59131880
I've been using Windows for its entire life so I know all about the issues, I do actually feel like it gets better each release but holy shit the pace is so slow. I'm still pulling my hair out over it interrupting my work but a lot less these days, this will be the first time I'll have to reinstall 10 and I've been running it since release.

>>59131632
Companies like MS have a history of doing shady shit. Remember when people like you thought MS wouldn't add ads on the lockscreen, and then they did? Remember when people like you said MS wouldn't force software updates on users that couldn't be postponed, and then they did? Remember when MS made "install windows 10" dialog boxes on windows 7, and even if you hit the close button it still installed? This is something even MS states was too far.

Yet, you think they won't try to force this new "feature" on everyone in due time? I feel sorry for you, logic isn't your strongsuit.

>>59131956
You are fucking retarded

>>59131877
see
>>59128917
>>59129742

>>59132045
You should explain yourself if you expect me to care for your opinion.

>>59130450
He means that it could literally do anything to your files without your OS's nor your knowledge. Then you get AVs like AVG that gather your files and documents and sells your data to third parties.

>>59132067
Stay ignorant or use your brain
I know it's not easy for most of the population to see into the future, but you should be able to grasp SOME logical outcomes

>>59132077
Exactly what am I ignorant about? You're failing to explain yourself and are just using fluff. Are you just seeking my attention?

>>59132095
That MS won't just stop cucking their users? They have the power to fuck up most home computers now. Anyway, I don't really care what you believe, but I will laugh hard when all the /v/tards can't play games any more. The shitstorm will be great.

>>59132124
You're not making any sense whatsoever and it seems like you're backpedaling now despite the fact I'm only asking you a question. You failed to convey why I'm retarded, neither of us gain any insight one way or the other. Thanks for wasting our time.

>>59128788
>MS just wants to help
lel

>>59131862
Chill out, autismo, it was a joke.

>>59132211
Actually you don't belong here if you can't even install windows

>>59132211
coulda fooled me.

>>59132223
You don't, but being able to install a Linux distribution makes up for that.

>>59130501
Linux doesn't have repos, Linux is a kernel, used in the GNU/Linux operating system.

>>59129003
literally disable gatekeeper

>>59132017
again, because it looks like thinking isn't your strongest skill: patching Windows to no longer be able to run legacy executables would make Windows lose the only reason why people use it. It would be the same as if Apple suddenly started shipping iPhones with Android and Macs with Windows.

>>59130501
>>59130411
Anything is better than "lol just download binaries from wherever my dude :)". Normal people can use the app store and other people can install their package manager of choice. There's several for OS X, Amiga, and Windows.

Microsoft even has a package manager manager for Windows, OneGet. It wraps package managers so that you can have multiple repos and managers but all with the same syntax. Honestly this is how I think it should be, imagine a single interface that calls pacman, pip, cpan, etc. but without having to remember their specific conventions.
https://github.com/OneGet/oneget/

When that's all finished you won't even be limited by management systems, let alone repos.

>>59132420
>patching Windows to no longer be able to run legacy executables would make Windows lose the only reason why people use it.

If you think this is the reason people use Windows you're deluded. They use it because when they buy a nice cheap computer from Best Buy that's what comes on it. They use it because it's what they know. In their little worlds there is PC and Mac and they don't want to blow retarded amounts of money on Mac so they get a PC. If you suddenly switched all PCs with some random Linux flavor they would not go seeking out Windows, they would just use what the thing comes with and be none the wiser.

That's not to say that legacy software isn't what a few people look for, but the vast majority could not possibly care less. Why do you think Chromebooks are succeeding with market penetration despite literally not allowing people to install any programs whatsoever?

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>Don't run applications from external sources. Only use our Microsoft Approved Software available from the Digital Microsoft Marketplace when using your Official Microsoft Windows Operating System

So, Windows is becoming a walled garden? How wonderful. Yet another reason for me to tell everyone to switch to GNU/Linux.

I could imagine how frustrating this would be if you're a developer and are constantly testing your builds... Kek.

>>59132490
so you're saying all the people using Windows for business applications and video games aren't the majority of Windows' market share?

>>59132473
Except you will have to buy the pro version to be able to use """pro tools""" like that.

>>59129981
Because Microsoft doesn't allow you to install Insider Preview builds if you're on Home edition? It's nothing new

>>59132567
I mean it was not on the ISO. It was a fresh install

>>59132551
They've been pushing to replace cmd with powershell since Windows 7 and they're open sourcing a lot of the shit around it since then too. I highly doubt they'd change direction now, I can't see any benefit for them locking up their interpreter behind a paywall.

>>59132509
>I could imagine how frustrating this would be if you're a developer and are constantly testing your builds... Kek.
if your a developer youll have this $4000 windows developer edition

>>59132551
citation needed
>>59132584
no you see microsoft did other things that were bad and their whole purpose as a business is to do bad things to their customers

>>59132584
Fun fact: The only standard windows programs which are blocked on Windows 10 cloud are:
- regedit
- cmd
- powershell
Guess why.

>>59132604
>Guess
No, I'm not in the mood to play games with you. Either be direct or I'm going to ignore you.

>>59132518
The people using Windows for business will have a higher version of Windows than home, so if Windows 10 Home was patched to only allow Windows Store installs, they would not be affected. As for video games, most of these people probably also use Pro or above, especially if they originally had Windows 7 Home Premium and upgraded from there (Windows 7 Home Premium was upgraded for $15 to Windows 8 Pro, then to Windows 8.1 Pro, and then for free to Windows 10 Pro). Even then Microsoft still stands to make a lot of money if they did this because the gaming community likely has the extra bit of savvy to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for their games if they wanted. They are not a big enough crowd to put Microsoft out of business.

I'm not the guy you were originally arguing with but I would not be surprised if they did try to force Home users to use only the Windows store.

Either way, no, they are probably not the majority share.

>>59132636
>The people using Windows for business will have a higher version of Windows than home
what makes you think that

>>59128788
>only letting you install
>"Install anyway"-button literally in OPs picture

>>59132597
>microsoft's purpose is to do bad things to their customers
Yes, if the customer doesn't know about it and they earn money that way, then, yes. Look at the privacy issues that are hidden in a long EULA, in submenus and how the settings "on accident" get reset in major updates.

>>59132636
>ven then Microsoft still stands to make a lot of money if they did this because the gaming community likely has the extra bit of savvy to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for their games if they wanted.
the gaming community is a bunch of 12-15 year olds, they don't have enough money to buy an upgrade for $200 and will instead switch to consoles.

>>59132642
Because Home is already too limited for proper business use, otherwise why even have a "Pro" version between Home and Enterprise?

>>59132652
I've actually read the EULA, have you?
>>59132673
> Home is already too limited for proper business use
if it runs SAP and Office it's fit for business use

>>59132642
because they have to join it to a domain you dip

>>59132668
>they don't have enough money to buy an upgrade for $200 and will instead switch to consoles.
And then Microsoft gets a shitload of XBox converts and they still win.

>>59132686
I think you vastly overestimate the average business' IT competence
>>59132695
I'm not sure if you're aware, but Xbox is fucking dead outside of the US

>>59132683
So you know that you allow them to use/gather your data, keystrokes (in certain programs), etc? Good for you.

>>59132725
Yeah, I know that usage info about how I use Microsoft applications is being transmitted to Microsoft, just like how usage info about how I use Mozilla applications is transmitted to Mozilla.

>>59132722
i think you spend too much time on /g/ instead of being in the real world. active directory is the main reason why windows is still kind in enterprise

>>59132649
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

>>59128921
That's nothing.

Maybe if you didn't autistically insist on having as shitty components in your devices then they could actually multitask.

You're probably using a 2-4gib RAM laptop that can only run the most lightweight Linux distribution and a few tabs at a time - if you can make sure the thing doesn't have critical failure from all the hoops you jumped to have that autistic LeNote work at all.

>>59130580

Sounds like every Linux shill complaint about Windows I've ever heard.

>will happily compile kernel from source
>won't take 15 seconds to configure Windows Update

>>59132754
>active directory is the main reason why windows is still kind in enterprise
that's a weird way to spell "office, the adobe suite, SAP, and other legacy applications"

>>59132621
Because they want developers to not use the home version.

>>59132722
>I think you vastly overestimate the average business' IT competence
They are probably smart enough to know they need remote desktop. If not they will gladly pay someone to tell them.

>Xbox is fucking dead outside of the US
Even if this was true, the US is still a huge market, and the people who convert to other consoles will keep on using their locked-down PCs, generating Windows store revenue and probably even buying the few popular Windows Store games like Forza, Gears of War, and Halo.
Microsoft still wins. They aren't going to install Linux. Most of them have never even heard of it.

>>59132781
and if those programs ran on linux windows would be still be king. you obviously have never had a job managing 1000's of workstations and 1000's of servers

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>mfw with every Currysoft's improvements we strive further towards Year of the Linux Desktop

>>59128788

There's something useful on the Windows App store?

The app store is a failed model. Even Apple's is full of shitware.

>>59132642
>>59132683
>I don't know what active directory is but i can play games all day long!

>>59132779
>Linux
>Shill
That's not how it works. Not only that you don't get paid, you're shilling a free OS. Back to the topic of Windows; what they're doing now is preposterous. Sure, you can turn that off, but what about the ever growing list of telemetry tools? Windows 10 is a joke at this point.

>>59132779
>Windows poorly mimicing macOS thread
>buttblasted /v/edditor has to bring up linux
literally

fucking

obsessed

>>59132740
Nice try. But the Mozila code is open source so you can see that they only submit details related to issues or basic usage statistics. And you can turn it off.

>>59128864
>Windows 10
>Power users
Every time.

ITT: Pajeet got BTFO

>>59132851
you dont have to be paid to be a shill

>>59132851

Because Canonical and Redhat are non-profit right?

>>59132865
Poweruser is a term coined by Microsoft.

>>59132864
do you check the code and then compile your own binaries from said checked code or do you use pre-compiled binaries?

>>59132892
>Bringing up Linux
>in a WINDOWS thread
O B S E S S E D

>Canonical and Redhat
You couldn't fucking afford neither of them, especially redhat you dumb neet.

>>59132898
Do you really have no other arguments than "hurr every binary could be compromised"?

At least they give us the option to do that, unlike microsoft.

>>59128864
Honestly, if people are too fucking stupid to realize that they can turn it off by clicking on the settings button then I wouldn't want them to be able to run arbitrary executables.

>>59132814
That directly conflicts with their interests as a product, Windows and any other OS is useless without third party software, the more developers you have the better, locking developers out is actively detrimental. Over the years they have only ever given more development tools away for free and moved their paid features down to free tiers, they're going beyond that recently with all the source code releases and general reform for developers across the board, things like documentation reform, editor variations, tool integration, scripting improvements, and even the Linux compatibility layer. I say this as someone who cannot stand development on Windows, I personally hate it but I don't deny that it's only improving and it's not a surprise as to why, it's legitimately the one thing they need to do as a product to survive.

>>59132892
How I wish people shilled something actually good here (Redhat). But don't worry, who cares about one of the best server OS, when we can have 70 threads about GPUs and game benchmarks.

>>59132898
You should know by now everyone who talks about code audits and open source just wait for other people to tell them what they want to hear.

>>59132888
Sure, but I don't imagine there's a lot of people doing it for free outside of 4chan (although we most likely get paid shills too).

>>59132923
That will only be possible in the Pro version

>>59132931
Well, you don't really need the CMD for UWP apps. The recent source code releases could be related to embrace, extend and extinguish strategies.

>>59131851
Clear your hosts file or use "reset this PC" button in settings. Don't use autism powershell scripts from /g/ and actually use restore points

>>59132978
I'm talking about powershell not cmd, MS wants to replace cmd with it because they think it's better and nobody would disagree with that because cmd and batch are fucking terrible.

eee can't apply to MS releasing their own products, they're not "embracing" nor "extending" anything external, they're releasing their own, what would their end game even be, to extinguish what exactly?

>>59132814
>>59132931
I should have summarized this at the end.
No devs means no software, means no users, means no money. Annoying developers in anyway is not something they should want to do, especially not today when the competition is strong, developers could easily jump ship today to a better development environment. To be clear here I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm saying it's a stupid business decision if they do, I'm stating the obvious here though, every company can make big mistakes.

>>59133006
>restore points
>having system restore enabled
lel

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>>59132978
>running anything below Pro

>>59132336
Linux is the word we use to refer to full distributions, not just the kernel.

>>59133056
Powershell is blocked too.
>what would their end game even be, to extinguish what exactly?
They make .net compatible with Linux
Linux developers make .net applications
Suddenly MS stops supporting .net on linux, adds new features only on the windows version
Users are forced to move their linux servers to windows server

>>59133068
>using Windows 10 at all
We are talking about how all the normal users will be fucked

>This feature is obviously disabled by default, but users can enable it really easily if they want.

Wow, it's nothing.

>>59133072
I'd just like to interject for a moment...

>>59133101
Only on the Pro edition

>>59133068
>2015
>education
Use LTSB 2015, Education is shit.

>>59133117
Interject all you want, that's what the word means in practice, even if it upsets you.

>>59133120
I have both pro and enterprise, so I don't care

>>59133145
So because it doesn't directly affect you, you don't care? that's literally a sign of stupidity and closed-mindness. Have a lot of fun in your life.

>>59133120
[ Citation needed]

>>59133169
see
>>59128917
>>59129742

>>59133098
I don't even know what this cloud edition is supposed to be, you mentioned before it leaked. You're aware that MS has blocked features in internal builds forever, right? Most of them don't even function properly without the right date in place and others straight up mask or lock features, this goes back to pre XP and all the way up until now, there are hidden things in the insider builds related to ReFS, in the internal Windows 8 builds you couldn't even run the task manager or anything at all as admin unless you patched a bunch of files. I wouldn't jump to conclusions, do we even know what this cloud edition is intended for? Is it some kind of PoS, RT, IoT, etc. special purpose spinoff?

>>59129561
How convenient

This is why Apple products are superior obviously

>>59128953
Fuck IMG based

>>59133185
So no source, just someone's say-so.

>>59133186
I suspect the Cloud edition will replace Home. Why? because this way they can market is as a "safe way to not get virii", just like in the article at the top of this thread. Of course the users will be upgraded without choice, only to find out they can't run any of their third party applications any more. Now they either choose to only use Store apps or pay 200 bucks for the upgrade to the pro edition.

>>59133006
>Clear your hosts file
Still no luck.
>Reset your pc
I may as well do a clean install at that point, less likely to encounter issues.
No powershell was involved and restore points wouldn't help since there was nothing that changed (no installations or updates caused the issue).

>>59128886
>most expensive edition
You mean 10 Pro or Enterprise?

>>59128920

I actually had hope when sweaty balls Ballmer left. Now I can't remember why. Windows has always been shit, but it has become exponentially shittier since Gates left.

How about giving us a fucking package manger instead of all this half assed Linux compatibility crap that no one will use?

Why in the fuck would anyone pay to use MSSQL on Linux?

>>59133242
>Of course the users will be upgraded without choice, only to find out they can't run any of their third party applications any more.
That's a pretty wild conclusion to jump to. I think a safer assumption would be that this is the new "lite" branch, i.e. an RT replacement.

>>59128886
>big statement
>no source

>>59133290
>muh "source or I ignore it"!!!
I will laugh hard in april

>>59133278
>How about giving us a fucking package manger instead of all this half assed Linux compatibility crap that no one will use?
Windows has had nuget forever and 10 brought OneGet, you could even argue the store with 8 is one. Regardless it's not like you need an official one, OS X doesn't have an official package manager and nobody complains there, Windows has chocolatey, and others third party tools for package management if you don't like the Microsoft ones.

>>59133283

Do you not remember the Windows 10 upgrade campaign that was literally malware?

BUT WHY DON'T YOU USE ONEDRIVE?

YOU WANT ONEDRIVE

HERE, CREATE A ONEDRIVE ACCOUNT

PLEASE LOGIN TO ONEDRIVE

>>59129917
>hey anon, why can't i install this app on my pc? fix it please
that is what happens

>>59133330
He probably installed it himself because he wanted it for MUH GAYMES
I swear, this board is just full of /v/tards now

>>59133330
Users were never downgraded, the tier they were on carried into the upgrade, nobody went from Pro down to home, you're implying home users would be downgraded to cloud.

>>59133326

>nuget forever and 10 brought OneGet
Microsoft products only

>chocolatey
lol. no. I'm not using a package manager where no one checks what's going into the repo. Freefags would have an aneurysm if a favorite distro came out of the box with a joke package manager like Chocolatey. Also, no local repo support.

>>59133394

Won't current home users get this update without warning and suddenly lose the ability to run third party software?

>>59133394
Windows 10 itself is a downgrade

"Cloud" will be marketed as an upgrade to home. mark my words.

>>59133394

>implying Windows 7/8.1 to 10 isn't a downgrade

>>59128912
WHY ARE THEY CALLED APPS?

>>59133415
>Microsoft products only
wut
That's not even close to true for either of them.

Chocolatey is not the only alternative, it's just the most popular. You're free to write your own if you think you can do it better just like is true on GNU. Also people seem to be pretty fond of the arch user repos and plenty of people used custom ppas on other systems for a long time, I don't think anyone dislikes this flexibility enough to throw a fit.

>>59133434
Why assume that?

>>59133438
I guess we disagree, I honestly think you're being absurd though by jumping to these conclusions with no real basis.

>>59133494
>>Why assume that?
Because they upgraded windows 7 users to 10 the same way?

>>59133557
No they didn't, I just said that. Nobody was downgraded by tier. There's no reason to assume that home users would be downgraded it did not happen for 10 and I don't know where you're getting that from. home users stayed on home, pro users on pro, nobody was downgraded.

>>59128921
I've literally got :D in my Chrome every time

>>59133596
You don't get it, do you? We are implying that Win10 is worse than 7 in general, aka a downgrade

>>59133631
That's not what the other anon is implying, some people are making that joke but 1 or 2 of them seriously believes that people would be forced down a tier from home -> cloud. See this post specifically
>>59133434
>Won't current home users get this update without warning and suddenly lose the ability to run third party software?

>>59128885

Not any worse than the iTunes app store.

>>59128788
>get all devs to submit their proprietary software to repository like it is done in apple-google-ubuntu store, but with reviews and better search
>hire chocolatey/cygwin/ubuntu/whahtever devs to maintain aur-like reposritory for open source software with ability to compile it yourself
>pajeet shell/command line scripting support
Is it really that hard? It's fucking GetCurrentYear() alerady!

>>59133665
So you can't imagine a version of the world where it would actually happen?

>>59133665

Anything is possible at this point. There was a time when we KNEW Microsoft would never fuck with the start menu.

Daily reminders that:
>everyone who uses the word "normie" is underage
>most Windows 10 posts on /g/ are FUD
>anyone who doesn't pirate Enterprise or at least Professional is a fucking retard that deserves to get cucked

>>59133770
>using windows 10
>using windows

>not retarded

>>59133706
>>59133707
I give up, you guys are too hard headed. I'm too tired to be patient, if you want to jump to conclusions then do so, what does it even matter. God you people are so stupid.
>a company on edge in a competitive market will surely anger their developer base and userbase in one motion, guaranteeing their downfall, this is sure to happen despite there being no basis nor history for it.

>BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THOUGH, CONSIDER IT AS A POSSIBILITY
Fuck off, that's such a stupid cop out. Yes anyting is possible, they could announce their new BeOS based OS tomorrow and force everyone to upgrade to it, have you even considered this? They've done forced OS upgrades before, they've changed architectures before, remember NT?

>>59133827
Your problem is that you can't decide what a likely outcome will be. Some humans are better at this than others

>>59133856
I have already explained what is the likely outcome and why, you people are literally only going "because I want MS to fail and this would be bad for them so I think it will happen" Just like every single release of Windows, every time, every edition.
>Using Vista when XP exists
>Using 7 when XP exists
>using 8 when 7 exists
>using 11 when 10 exists

>8 will literally kill Microsoft
>10 is a botnet
>11 is confirmed to downgrade you and prevent you from installing apps, ignore the option to install them in the image though and don't ask me why I think it will downgrade you